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VOGUE ITALIA 380x500 The four reactions to this magazine cover.

The cover of Italian Vogue

What do you get when you put three plus-sized models in their underwear on the cover of Italian Vogue? It seems one of four reactions:

1. “How outrageous that those models are even called ‘plus-sized’. They look average to me.”

Yes they do. But not for models. In fashion, any woman larger than size 10 is exiled to the Siberia of the modelling world: Plus-sizia, an arid land where unemployment is high and job opportunities are scarce. The number of plus-size models in the modelling world is inversely proportional to the number of size 10+ women in the real world. Somehow, the fashion industry has re-calibrated ‘average’ to mean ‘tall and extremely slim’, evidenced by the fact that the sample-sized garments supplied to magazines for photo shoots are a ‘standard’ size 6-8. Never bigger. No wonder plus-size models (that’s 10+) are forced to wander around fashion shoots naked or in their underwear. Which brings us to reaction number two…….

2. “How insulting to put those models in sexy knickers! Why aren’t larger women ever shot in fashionable clothes or any clothes at all?”

Two reason for this. In fashion magazines, larger models are most often photographed naked or nearly naked because the designer gear won’t fit them. See point one. But there’s something else too.

Velvet D’Amour is a well-known American plus-sized-model recently interviewed by fashion journalist Patty Huntington for her Frockwriter blog. Asked why she thought larger models were so often photographed this way, Velvet laughed, noting “99.999% of the artists interested in working with me wanna get me naked, not that I blame them. It is quite the odd dichotomy that as a society, fat is viewed with derision, yet should one go out on a limb and include a genuinely voluptuous model, nine times out of 10 they will do so by harkening back to the Renaissance. Rubens and the like, are seemingly our only reference points for a larger body.”

velvet The four reactions to this magazine cover.

Velvet D'amour

On the subject of the overly sexual way larger models are often photographed, Velvet thinks we’ve been programmed to find flesh risqué because curvy women have been relegated to men’s magazines while women’s mags have fed us “ a steady diet of rail thin, white, tall, youth for the most part.” Yes but I think it’s also worth noting that this is Italian Vogue. They shoot EVERYONE half-naked and sexy. At least they didn’t discriminate.

3. “How irresponsible to use models who are plus-sized. This promotes obesity.”

Very true. Every time I see my favourite female artist Adele or watch the gorgeous Chrissie Swan on The Circle or notice Magda Szubanski on the cover of the Australian Women’s Weekly, I’m seized by the urgent desire to put on weight. You? Yeah, I didn’t think so. Because it’s poppycock. For every one of those glorious, talented women, there are millions of size 8s on every TV show, billboard, magazine cover and in every music video, movie and advertisement we see. If looking at a woman of a certain size had a direct effect on our weight, there’d be no obesity problem.

What we do have, however, is a body image problem, which is different. Many people mistakenly think body image is about what you weigh. I disagree. Body image is how you feel about your body. It’s about self-esteem.

So I don’t buy the argument that featuring larger women or plus-size models in a positive way is a statement about health. It’s not. It’s an endorsement of diversity, an acknowledgement that no one particular size or shape of woman has a monopoly on being considered attractive or even ‘normal’.

Remember, you can tell very little about a model’s health from the outside.  Consider the slim, chain-smoking, binge-drinking, drug-taking, hard-partying Kate Moss. Is she a better ‘role’ model than Adele? Hell to the no.

“Time and again the issue of health is touted as a pertinent reason for the near total exclusion of fat women in modern media,” agrees Velvet D’Amour. “Yet let’s have a look at who we utterly deify in popular culture, without questioning for a second their physical or mental health. Au contraire, we are well aware that a great number of popular actors, models, dancers, rock groups etc. that inundate media have dabbled in drugs, drink, etc. And rather than scoff at them with derision and judgment, we fete them on a daily basis.”

model 380x356 The four reactions to this magazine cover.

Robyn Lawley

4. “Hubba hubba.”

When I re-published some of the Vogue images on Mamamia, the comments were overwhelmingly positive. Both men and women were quite swoony about the three models on the cover and inside the magazine (one of whom is Australian Robyn Lawley). If only we got to see more of that.

Velvet concurs: “If we start to include a major cross-section of our society within the revered pages of fashion magazines, fat women, emaciated women, women of colour, aging women, differently-abled women, small women, you name it – then we can turn the tide against the overwhelming sense so many women suffer from not being able to live up to this exceedingly stringent, highly unattainable beauty ethic we currently subscribe to.”

Beautifully put. Now bring it on.

Here is a gallery of Australian model Robyn Lawley….

Robyn Lawley models for Cosmopolitan Australia

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  2. Katie

    Wonderful article and what Velvet is saying is true, it is more about diversity than favoring the plus size woman. Every woman out there no matter what size or shape deserves to see herself in someway. That way we will get away from the idea that beauty comes in only one shape or size. I pray someday this will happen so that women as a whole will stop hating themselves.

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  4. Nancy C

    Let me just put it THIS way – I WISH I were as “plus-sized” as these gorgeous women are!!!

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  5. sweatlikeapig

    Wasn’t this exact same magazine cover discussed a couple of months ago? My opinion hasn’t changed. I think the women in this particular cover are gorgeous and it’s hard to even tell they are plus-size because of their poses.

    But would I want to see anyone larger modelling high-fashion garments? No. Hear me out. The point is that, in fashion, the models aren’t supposed to be fleshy – they are nothing more than coathangers. People want to see the clothes, not the person beneath it. The unfortunate thing is that the skinnier you are, the better model you are.

    Now I don’t support the promotion of these skeletal appearances at all. But isn’t promoting the opposite equally bad? I disagree that using larger models doesn’t promote obesity. Maybe not now, and certainly not with women like Robyn. But in 10 years, after women of Robyn’s size become the fashion norm, will the new “ideal” just keep getting bigger and bigger to promote this so-called diversity? The average person will then think being overweight is acceptable, and we’ll end up with an even larger obesity crisis.

    My hope is that one day it will be typical to see ‘healthy’ women like Robyn in fashion, who are neither anorexic nor overweight.

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  6. Lu

    The women on the cover are stunningly beautiful and incredibly hot.

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    • Lu

      And gorgous bigger girls dont need to distort their faces with botox etc to fill out their wrinkles, bonus there too!

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  7. MikeyMike

    I’m sure that ladies who fall into the ‘plus-size’ category manage to lead full and rewarding lives, even if fashionistas consider them to be ‘fat’.

    And Mia is right; I don’t see how these pictures are promoting obesity and would prompt anyone to head to the nearest cake-shop…

    And furthermore…”Hubba hubba”.

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  8. Sari

    Am I the only one who didn’t even notice the women on the cover ‘plus-size’? Until it was pointed out to me, I thought they looked just like any other ‘normal’ model. :-)

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  9. Miss j

    Absolutely awesome job, Mia. Very well written. Congratulations. LOVED this post. Love the picture of Robyn Lawly and these women. Thank you :)

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  10. peppy

    My main thought when I see this cover is that the women look incredibly sexy, and I couldn’t care less that they are in lingerie… they are rocking it! Sure, it is ridiculous that they are referred to as “plus size”, but that is the world of modelling, which they are willingly a part of.

    These women look amazing. The only thing I find slightly questionable is the “crotch to camera” pose of the model in the bottom right. Bit odd for a fashion magazine cover.

    Apart from that, beautiful.

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  11. Alexandra

    I live in the US at the moment and while it can be a weird and wacky place one thing they do right is diversity – be it in magazines or on TV, be it size or race or gender. That’s something we really don’t embrace enough at home.

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  12. Anonymous

    Forget what size the models are…..Is it just me…I would rather not have to see what a women had for breakfast while having my dinner thanks.

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  13. Mel

    Why are models not a size 6 (Aus size) called plus size, why aren’t they just called models like the size 6′s?????

    There is nothing wrong with this cover, it is an amazing pic. There is nothing bad that can come of men or woman who are bigger than a size 6 being included in ads and to sell clothes. I think only having size 6′s in that role will do more to harm the self image of young people developing their own self image. As showing only one type of body style as that of beauty will make most people feel they are not beautiful or that they never will be able to achieve it. This to me is wrong and I am all for increasing the different body styles and beauty types that are shown media. It is, in my view, the best way to look at addressing the issues of the eating disorders and body image issues of young people.

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    • Mabol

      The women are very beautiful and yes there should certainly be more models representing diversity in all ways. I don’t like their faces much here though. I don’t buy fashion magazines but obviously see them when at the newsagent and the faces on them often seem to all blend into a scary sameness for me – I enjoyed looking through the gallery yes Robyn is undoubtedly very stunning yet I was really struck by the photo of her in the Tres Cher top particularly but a couple of the other ones in the natural settings. Her face looks distinctive and like a human face and actually even more beautiful because of it. I really don’t like the rubber looking faces.

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  14. Anonymous

    hot:)

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  15. Justify Your Existence

    Why oh why are we deliberating that magazine cover again?
    they’re big, they’re pretty… next!

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  16. Genevieve Joy

    Personally, I don’t see that these images are particularly helpful given that they are still photoshopped to the max and over-sexualised.

    I’d love to see more pics of natural, real, un-photoshopped women, of all shapes and sizes, ages and races.

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  17. Sunny

    It’s very sexy!

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  18. Cathy Crawley

    Back in the day when I did a small amount of modelling I was a size 8 and felt so insecure – stupid girl. Then fate threw me a raw deal and I developed an autoimmune thyroid disease. Now I’m a size 14 and get just as much attention from men and women as before. My girls who used to be a D cup are now a mammoth G cup and it can be so hard to find good fitting clothes which is why I think it’s great that designers are starting to cater to all shapes and sizes. As for reaction number 2 – fifteen years ago you couldn’t find sexy bras for girls who were bigger than a C cup so I say flaunt it what ever size you are! When I looked at these drop dead gorgeous girls on the cover I was like ‘Yeah! we need more of that’.

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  19. lauren91

    I love the pictures, I think it’s great to see women who actually do eat lunch on the cover. I think I have a reaction mix of number 1 and number 4, because I think they look great but they are by no means ‘plus sized’ in my eyes.

    I agree with you Mia about body image, it’s about your perception of yourself, not what you weigh.

    If only more magazines were brave enough to be controversial and show images of people who are of completely normal size.

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  20. Ally

    I think seeing women of ‘average’ sizes is important but I think the real problem isn’t so much that there isn’t a healthy enough images in popular culture of ‘real’ women’s bodies but the fact that as a culture we put so much emphasis on our outward appearance. The fact is that even skinny women can have low self esteem – despite having what society dictates as the ideal body type- says it all. How you look, big or small, plays little part in making a person have higher self-esteem. It’s the obsession with defining our worth by our bodies that’s the problem.

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  21. Johanna

    I thought we’d already discussed this… ad nauseum.

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    • Cordeline

      Yep, de ja vu for sure…

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  22. Anonymous

    Robyn Lawley is georgous, I hope we see more of her in all types of clothes!

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  23. Bradley

    I like the picture. It’s been shot tastefully, with style. It is not lascivious or insulting. The aim of the photgraph is to sell what the models are wearing. I wouldn’t hesitate to by my wife any of the undergarments featured on the cover of Vogue Italia if she was to indicate that she wanted it.

    Jump up and down and get all hot under the collar about the picture if you wish. Sit back and enjoy the picture if you wish. Beauty and offence is in the eye of the beholder.

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  24. mimi

    What a gorgeous girl Robyn is!!! such a great role model for girls to look up too as well :O)

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  25. uptightoutasight

    Anybody who has spent much time in Italy would know that Italian women are generally petite and rarely overweight. So, to put plus size models on the cover is an unusual step.

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    • Nak

      Not where my family comes from LOL – short and wide is the usual look once they have passed 30 or had kids! Maybe in Rome…

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      • uptightoutasight

        Lol. Yes, in Rome but also many other places! I particularly like to watch elegant women of all ages cycling around, often in high heels.

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  26. Anonymous

    Why are we looking at that Vogue cover and discussing it again…?

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  27. Aboutwang

    Actually, my first and only reaction was “why are her legs open in such a vulgar way?” I didn’t even notice they were ‘plus size’ but I did notice the spread legs that are off putting (to me).

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    • Mango

      Agree that it looks a bit dodgy, but another article noted that the women were told to assume a position that they would use if they were powerful.

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      • Anonymous

        Coudn’t she look powerful with her legs crossed!

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        • Johanna

          Men are allowed to spread their legs and women are not..? Why? Are we meant to be ashamed or something?

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          • Shannon

            I thought men spread their legs for comfort in the ‘junk’ region, not for power. Unless we want to go into a philosophical debate about a penis giving them power.

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          • Anonymous

            Johanna, men cant even wear a speedo in public to go swimming without being told we are disgusting…I think a guy pulling this pose in any context would hardly be found acceptable – this site would be overrun with comments on how revolting it is.

            Despite what anyone says, men are WAY more constrained by society telling them what they can wear – it would be great also if society was more embrassing of mens freedom to choose what they wear, without undertones that our bodies should be covered up, that there are certain colours that are off limits etc etc.

            Oh, and on leaving legs apart for power, um, please, you try closing your legs for a prolonged period with a couple of golf (or in my case tennis) balls between them.

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  28. amykeep

    Plus-size in the fashion world, still less than average in the real world being as average is considered what, size 14?? And this is why I pay zero attention to fashion magazines, shows, etc.

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    • ClaireC

      I do think that some fashion models are way too thin. But I think lots of your average women you see in the street are overweight. Just because the average size is 14-16 or whatever it is, doesn’t meant it’s healthy. The number of fat young girls I see these days is revolting, slobbing around with their muffin tops and fat tummies hanging over their hipsters is not a good thing to aspire to either.

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      • amykeep

        Your comment makes me very sad. Describing a young girl, going through puberty around size 14-16 as revolting? Everybody should be aspiring to being a healthy weight and that’s the problem with such magazines in that you’re either stick thin or ‘plus-size’ or fat as you said.

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  29. Lansie

    There is absolutely nothing plus sized about these three beautiful women.
    As far as I knew, the Australian “plus size” according to labels applied to sizing and ranges of larger sized clothes is 16 – 26. I myself fall into this category and wear a size 18 in which i have no shame.. But I find it insulting when a size 10 model is referred to a “plus size”. What does this make me at a size 18? “Whale size”?

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  30. Mango

    I wonder if there’s another reason size ten models are photographed semi-clothed – and that is that there is something very appealing about it, as compared to a semi-clothed bony-looking body …

    Many years ago I lamented to a male friend that I wished I had a body like a girlfriend who was quite thin (in hindsight, probably unhealthily so). He said he much preferred a body with some flesh on it and given the men’s magazines penchant for fleshier women, I expect many other men would agree with his view. For some reason many women (myself included) prefer thinness – perhaps because fashion is largely designed for thin women?

    Naomi Wolf noted that conceptions of beauty are usually derived from whatever is unattainable. When Rubenesque women were beautiful, only the very rich could afford to be fat – eating quantities of rich food and not having to work. In recent decades being fit was more unattainable – gyms weren’t nearly as prevalent. Thinness replaced athleticism in the 1990s and early 2010s. The trend now is towards artificial beauty (boob implants, collagen lips, eye lifts, cheek implants, nose jobs) which is unattainable for the masses by way of its expense. (Personally I think a really fake look isn’t attractive).

    I always liked the Audrey Hepburn quote: ‘True beauty in a woman is reflected in her soul.’

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  31. Anonymous

    I think they are gorgeous girls! And they look comfortable in their own skin. Real sizes…not anorexic looking

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    • Mango

      I agree – they are beautiful. Thanks for the article Mia.

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  32. Fat Heffalump

    I’m all for diversity of models. REAL diversity, not a range of size 0-10 white, able-bodied, femme women in their underwear. How fashion is represented by women without clothing on, I’m not quite sure. Unless it’s the lingerie edition, then bring it on.

    I want to see EVERYBODY represented in fashion. I want to see body sizes from the very small, to the very large. I want to see a diversity of gender representations (Google Andrej Pejic sometime), I want to see a spectrum from the butch to the femme, I want to see bodies of all colours and features (not just picking women of colour who have “white” features), I want to see bodies of all levels of ability (surprisingly, people with disabilities enjoy fashion too!) and of all ages.

    Fashion is for everybody, and by default, everybody defines fashion. Just because some wealthy designer says that something is in fashion this season, does not necessarily make it so if the general populace hate it.

    So long as fashion (and all of the peripheral industries, PARTICULARLY fashion media) are making money by making people feel bad about themselves as they are, then it is failing us as a culture. It can only be a success when it is a celebration of personal style.

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    • Nico

      Butch models, yes please!

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    • Kitten

      Everything you said.

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  33. camillapeffer

    Huh. I’d have to say I am from the first school of thought, in that I didn’t even notice these women were ‘plus-sized’. I did however notice that there were 3 bangin’ hotties on the cover of Italian Vogue!
    I was never really seized by a desire to put on weight until recently. I’ve always been a kind of tiny person, and up until recently, I never realised that this works against me. I’m fairly short, and being on the slimmer side, people often mistake me for a teenager. I know I know, I shouldn’t complain that I look younger (I’m 23). But there’s a certain level of respect you get depending on what age you are, and I’m quite sick and tired of people assuming I’m still in high school, and therefore incompetent, unintelligent and up to date with a 16-year-olds fashion style (I work in retail and if one more woman asks me if I would buy a watch that they’re giving their 15-year-old I will take up smoking in order to age my face!).

    Does anyone else feel that people respect them more depending on their weight?

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    • Diorella

      I’ve always been small too (5″2, size 6) and it’s amazing how size influences peoples perception of you! I get called ‘little one’, patted on the head (literally!), and people generally assume that I’m emotionally weaker than I actually am. I often don’t feel I’m being taken seriously.

      Another thing I’ve noticed is that because people associate slim with ‘attractive’, people are much less sensitive about single status than they would be if I was a larger girl.

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      • camillapeffer

        Argh, I hate it when people call me little! And won’t let me carry large things. Drives me insane. I’m actually quite strong you know!

        I’m guessing people aren’t sensitive to your single status because being single is AWESOME, duh!

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  34. drjoekosterich

    These are normal women. And that is the key. It is waif like models who are at variance to the norm. Maybe we should call the women in this photo “models” and the thin ones be called “minus size” models.
    And point 3 is spot on. People’s eating patterns are not directly affected by pictures in magazines (in either direction).

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  35. Belinda

    The thing I notice about these ‘plus-size’ models is that while they are a bit bigger in general, the real attraction is that they are in proportion. That’s what makes them unusual (compared to people you know in real life).

    Most of us have a bigger bum and thighs, or a bit of a belly, or whatever. While I’m not overweight, I will never stop wishing for smaller thighs or bigger boobs!

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  36. dressyu

    I LOVE this cover – its so sexy, sultry and seductive – it’s like 3 Sophia Lorens on the cover and she is one stunning woman – did you know her vital stats were (cos I’m not sure if they are exactly this anymore!) 38-24-38 ?! Pretty impressive – eat your heart out Kate Moss – I’d choose volumptious and womanly any day!

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  37. Anonymous

    Why did they have to photograph them in a restaurant around big bowls of what looks like spagetti & lying on the table? Makes them look like gluttons!

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  38. Stormgirl1960

    I think the models look like an average woman, not plus size at all. Now in my early 50′s I am more comfortable with my body now than when I was younger. I care more about who I am and how I feel than how I look. I am healthy, happy and most importantly, my partner thinks I am beautiful and sexy, and he is 10 years younger than me. I think it is more important to feel comfortable in your own skin, than to worry about what the current ‘fashion’ may be, or what others may think about your appearance. Be healthy and be happy. Develop healthy relationships. That is what matters most.

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  39. L to the J

    Those poor ladies are naked in a restaurant! The nightmare of any woman. And secondly, I would not have twigged they were “plus sized” if it hadn’t been pointed out.

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  40. Anonymous

    In my opinion, holding up celebrities etc who are unhealthily large (not meaning these models) as role models is just as bad as a severly underweight model.

    For example, I don’t think a person such as Beth Ditto should be a role model for her weight. She is classed as hugely overweight. Good on her for being comfortable in her own skin, unlike many celebrities, but I think she should be a role model in terms of musical talent, not for her weight.

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  41. Laura

    These women are gorgeous, but again, we are assuming that because they are larger, they are therefore healthier than slim models. There are many healthy slim people around, just as there are many healthy size 10+ women! Please don’t make these generalisations for ANY body type. Someone will always end up feeling bad about themselves after reading these kinds of statements.

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  42. Christy

    First reaction – didn’t realise they were plus sized and why does the front woman have her legs apart.

    They are all beautiful.

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    • Alanna L

      TOTALLY agree

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    • Anastasia Beaverhausen

      Women should always spread their legs apart. It’s a man’s world. How else will women get to the top?
      I kid.

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  43. Shannon

    Genuine question: do most women (with negative body image) define themselves more by reference to popular media than to other women?

    What I mean is, I can have pretty low self-esteem sometimes but, being a size 6, my body type is popularly represented (albeit by taller women) in fashion, Hollywood etc. But seeing images of models etc. doesn’t make me feel better when I’m feeling down about my body (maybe because these days we get much more of the “oh but she’s *emaciated*…not a real woman, looks like a 10yo boy”)…seeing someone like me in real life, e.g. at the supermarket, on the bus etc. makes me feel more validated.

    I would have thought that, since being a size 10+ is average and we see beautiful women of that size all around the place in the real world as we’re doing our shopping, getting to work etc. that that would show people that there’s nothing wrong with it?

    I just find it strange to think that people could define themselves by works of fiction (i.e. photoshopped images of people of an unusually small body type) when reality shows them that they aren’t abnormal. If you’re seeing women like yourself pretty much all day every day right in front of you…but maybe my mind just works differently. Because I know that for me, when I’m having a bad self-esteem day and am walking around the supermarket, seeing that the majority of women look different to me can make me feel pretty crappy but when I find someone built like me, I immediately feel better. I compare myself more to women in real life than in the media.

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    • Christy

      On an ever so slight tangent. With the announcement of the death of Amy Winehouse today, the media is saying “she’s a role model” blah blah blah. I don’t think anyone would say she’s a role model, more that she’s famous. Why does fame equate to role model???

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      • Mizzy

        Oh my goodness, I loved Amy Winehouse. She was a beautiful artist who was dealing with so many personal battles with drugs, alcohol, weight and her relationships. I too would disagree with the role model label but she’s definitely resonates with many people who too, are struggling with those issues. Wow I’m just speechless. :(

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    • Anastasia Beaverhausen

      If you can’t compare yourself to celebrities then who can you compare yourself to? I’m certainly not going to compare myself to the middle aged Asian woman living next door…especially because I’m a male.
      Celebrities are physically desirable (ahem…Ryan Reynolds. I’m creaming my pants just at the thought of him) which is probably why we aspire to look like them and compare ourselves to them. I mean, you are never closer to god than when you are famous.

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    • LauraS

      I agree. Having friends who are skinnier than me has always made me feel much worse about myself than any pictures I see in a magazine.

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  44. Girly

    I obsess over my body all the time: big bum, flabby belly, thunder thighs. What shuts me up over it is my boyfriend walking past me and saying “hey sexy bum” or wrapping his arms around me in bed and kissing my face. That’s when it doesn’t matter, because he thinks I’m beautiful.

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  45. Eroll

    10+ is big these days. A 12 used to be quite normal yet now I fit in 6s all the time. No I have not lost weight in the last 10 years I’m the same. Sizes have changed to make women feel better about themselves !

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    • Eloise

      Yep, one of my friends is a fashion designer and told me a few years ago that sizing had changed so much since the 70s that a size 14 then became a size 10. I used to be a size 11 in jeans a few years ago and am now a size 9 in most brands, even though I haven’t changed weight – or height!

      It seems increasingly random though – I can be anything from a size Small to a Large, depending on the shop.

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    • Shannon

      I used to fit size 7/8 jeans and now I’m lucky to get a good fit in anything because clothes are usually too big. I’ve *gained* weight, yet find it harder to find clothes now than I did 5 years ago when I was 16.

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      • SusieQ

        I agree! I am ‘underweight’ at the moment and get depressed because people seem to think I have an eating disorder and have no problems commenting on how thin I am – not realising that I am trying to put on weight.
        PS. my first thought was ‘why does that girl have her legs open’ when I saw the photo!

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    • Grace

      Definitely true! I sell vintage clothing for a living and an Australian vintage size 12 dress is approximately a modern sz 8, maybe small 10.

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    • Anonymous

      These days I’m a true size 12, yet I’m a size 8, and even occasionally a 6 at Target and Kmart. I have no idea how actual size 6-8 girls find affordable clothes. It also worries me that a woman of average height who is a 12+ in these vanity-sized clothes is likely to be overweight or obese. I’ve been there, and one of the things that kept me from facing my health issues was that the label on my clothes was telling me I was below average. We don’t see a woman in size 12 Target jeans as obese, but that’s exactly what I was.

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      • Mango

        I think judgements about size and obesity depend on your height. You might have been obese at size 12, but my friend who is 5’10 has a fabulous figure, is very fit and there’s not a bit of flab in sight.

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        • Anonymous

          And that’s why I said a woman of average height. 5’10 is not average.

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      • SusieQ

        Good point Anonymous! I love Target clothes but find they are always too big. If the sizing was the same across the board I think it would make it easier for everyone – regardless of size.

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  46. Emma in Melbourne-land

    These girls are gorgeous but they are only plus size in the world of modeling, in the real world they’d be average. Having said that, I believe that the ‘normal’ models display Clothes better. A model should be like a coathanget

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    • Emma in Melbourne-land

      It won’t let me edit and I clicked submit by accident, damn iPhone!

      But anyway what I was going to say was that models are supposed to be coat hangers for clothes (as terrible as that sounds) and designers make their clothes with this in mind which is why sizes are so small. Thin is in, but that doesn’t mean plus size wont have it’s day :)

      I do kind of think this has been discussed to death though on MM already…

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      • Anonymous

        Well why don’t they make clothes that look good on normal people? Then we would… um…. buy them. right?

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        • Anastasia Beaverhausen

          Because normal people cannot afford those clothes. Wealth and beauty (including thinness) come hand in hand. There is no such thing as an ugly woman, just a poor woman.

          I am such an f-ing bitch!! Ha!!

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        • Emma in Melbourne-land

          They sell these clothes in bigger sizes though, it’s just that on the runway and in editorials models who are skinny fit into the samples. They also have a body that allows for the clothes to be shown in tribe way the designers have designed them to be. Thats my understanding. I love plus sized models but I also love models, they wear clothes beautifully. I dont equate models with unhealthy as naturally slim people exist, but I certainly do feel sorry for the unhealthy messages in the industry that some models fall prey to. The industry does seem to be embracing curves more which is positive!

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  47. Alicia

    I have actually met Robyn a couple of times, she is a friend of a friend, and although she is extremely tall, I would not call her plus sized. She would be a size 10-12 at the most. I guess anything above a size 6 is considered plus size these days. And for the record, she is just as stunning in person!

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  48. Anonymous

    Robyn Lawley is my new girl crush!

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  49. Anastasia Beaverhausen

    No fat chicks.
    JOKES!!
    I heart fashion. I love everything about it. If I could, I would spread it on a biscuit and eat it. Models should be thin. Before I get haters, take this into consideration. I am a gay man. I obsess about my body just as much as you women do, or maybe even moreso because I have to look hot when clubbing whilst topless, dancing and intoxicated which is a difficult feat. I mean, you girls never have to dance topless (unless you are one of the very lucky and fortunate few who rake in $4000 a week just for turning tricks and doing what I do for free every Friday and Saturday night). If you are complaining about heels then try being a gay man at a gay club. It is really tough to look good at all possible angles at all times. Take if from me, who has also had experience in wearing heels.
    Anyhoo, if you’re not happy with the thin models then stay away from fashion and go back to the 17th century where women were all painted to be voluptuous. Going to the art gallery and looking at all those naked plus sized women makes me nauseous (not because they’re fat, but just because they are women who are nude). We are in the 21st century where, culturally, being thin is in (especially in the fashion world). Learn to love it and embrace it because it ain’t going to change.
    And from what I hear and observe, men like women with a bit more meat on their bones. So whatevs…buy some Spanx and move on because you’re all fine.

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    • Eloise

      Ermmm, wow. Not sure how to quite respond, Anastasia! Think I’ll just have a good laugh, that was pretty funny!

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    • Anonymous

      Did you say you are repusled by womens bodies, or are gay men just scared of women ?

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      • S

        Hi Mamamia folk, a tech thing that is a bit weird…

        The comment above by ‘Anonymous’ has a ‘click to edit’ and ‘delete’ button for me… which typically shows on posts you yourself have written… but I didn’t write the one above!

        Just wanted to let you know in case it’s something that needs fixing :)

        x

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        • cerry

          I had the same thing happen with an anon comment on the Amy Winehouse post, but it went away when I logged in to my account.

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          • mikeymacgyver

            Hi there,
            Mikey from the Tech team.
            I was wondering if this was still happening for you Cerry and S.

            Investigating it a little further and can’t make it happen on my test accounts.

            Thanks for letting us know about the issue as well.

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            • cerry

              Not happening for me any more. The problem has clearly been solved by someone who’d be able to fix it trying to replicate it. It happens to us all the time at work :P

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      • Melissa J

        WELL I have a fanny and it’s beautiful. Like a flower. How many fanny’s have you seen?
        I love the word fanny.

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        • Anonymous

          beautiful? I am all for reclaiming and rejoicing the female form, but that might be taking it a tad too far.

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      • Miss j

        So this is the kind of ‘acceptable’ and ‘politically correct language’ and references that is able to be put up on a comment page like this is it????
        Supposed to be funny? This is about the Italian vogue magazine cover. Please take your disgusting graphic verbal images somewhere else. It is extremely offensive. It has no place here.

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    • Nico

      I’m going to avoid the comment and just say that I love your name, Miss Beaverhausen….or should I say, Karen Walker.

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      • Anastasia Beaverhausen

        Why thank you Nico. You have quite a nice name too. It’s sounds Latino ;-) ;-) rawr
        Anastasia like Russian royalty and Beaverhausen like where the beaver live.

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        • Nico

          Thank you.
          Unfortunately for you, though, I possess those frilly flappy genetalia you avoid! Fortunately for me, my girlfriend loves them anyway :)

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    • Anonymous

      Your views make me nauseous!

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  50. zzyss

    The problem, some might agree, is that regardless of what size they are, they’re still being Photoshopped into the imaginary realm and have flawless skin and makeup.

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