Writing about terrorism is always fraught. It’s naturally emotive. Readers are suspicious, sometimes defensive, and often dogmatic. Public debates concerning terrorism so rarely get anywhere. They generate far more heat than light.
On that score, the recent tragedy in Oslo was no exception. Responses were swift and passionate. The fact that these attacks were carried out by a white Norwegian rather than the Muslim everyone expected meant the debate was different this time. People’s understanding of what terrorism was, and who could do it had been rocked. And in the struggle to make sense of it, certain themes kept emerging: the person who did this was mad; religion causes all the violence of the world; this person wasn’t a real terrorist, he was just a lone gunman and so on. Immediately I was struck by just how many wrong assumptions were being made, and how badly terrorism was understood, despite the fact we’ve been talking about it for a decade now.
Clearly, terrorism remains steeped in mythology. Frustratingly, so. I can understand that where it’s something unknown. But people have been studying it for decades now, and despite all the enduring mysteries, some myths have now well and truly been busted by researchers in the area. Here are a few of the most common
1. Terrorists are mad
I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve heard or read someone express this sentiment since the Norway attacks. At one level, it’s perfectly understandable, too. Terrorism definitely is abnormal behaviour. It seems to contradict every natural instinct we have to avoid killing members of our own species. And it seems to be the domain of fanatics who have extreme views of the world and minds that aren’t for turning.
And in fact, for quite some time, even the experts seemed to agree. When terrorism studies began to take off in the ‘70s, researchers were immediately attracted to psychological explanations of terrorism. Terrorists were assumed to be psychologically disturbed or to have personality disorders like paranoia or narcissism. Lots of energy was spent trying to find the “terrorist personality”, and by the ‘80s, plenty of theories had been developed.
But this psychoanalysis was done without actually interviewing any terrorists. Andrew Silke, who is one of the world’s leading authorities on the psychology of terrorism, describes this as “diagnosis at a distance”, and points out everything began to change when psychologists actually started interviewing terrorists themselves rather than relying on second hand reports of them. Suddenly it became clear that most terrorists showed no signs of mental illness or personality disorder. They were overwhelmingly sane and psychologically normal.
Some terrorists, it is true, do have mental illnesses. Theodore Kaczynski (best known as the “Unabomber”) who sent over a dozen homemade bombs in the mail to victims over nearly 20 years, was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. Closer to home, the same is true of Izzydeen Atik, who was convicted as part of the Benbrika group in Melbourne. It is entirely possible to be both mentally ill, and a terrorist.
But the truth is that this is rare. The best research shows that terrorists have a much higher rate of sanity than the rest of the criminal population, and perhaps even higher than the general population. That’s why, despite the fact that the myth still seems a popular one in media, just about every serious researcher in the field now agrees terrorists are overwhelmingly normal people.
But as the media’s response to Anders Breivik’s terrorism in Norway shows, the myth is still rife. That’s probably because it’s easier and more comforting to dismiss him as a “nutter”. The thought that he was a completely normal, rational human being is a far scarier one. Of course, the problem is that this quickly becomes circular reasoning: you’d have to be mad to do terrorism, so if you do terrorism, you’re obviously mad. The sad reality is that there is just about zero evidence that Breivik is mad at all. And even if he were, he’d be the exception.
2. Terrorism is something religious fundamentalists do
It’s true that most of the terrorism-related headlines lately have been dominated by religious fundamentalists. But the fact is the history of terrorism is dominated by secular groups, and that there are still plenty of them active today.
The first modern terrorists were the Russian anarchists of the 19th century. In fact these were the groups that came up with the term “terrorism” to distinguish themselves from ordinary killers. Far from being religious fundamentalists, the anarchists were atheists. They were also very influential. By the beginning of the 20th century, anarchist terrorism had spread far and wide, from Europe to Asia and even to America.
After World War I came what terrorism historian David Rapoport calls the “second wave” of modern terrorism: the anti-colonial wave, which lasted about 40 years. Again, a lot of these groups were secular in nature. They were fighting against what they saw as occupation – either wanting to kick occupiers out of their country, or trying to separate and create their own nation. Even the groups that had religious affiliations in this wave, like the Catholic IRA in Ireland, or the Hindu Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka weren’t primarily focussed on religion. They were focussed on land and independence.
The next “wave” of terrorism came about in the ‘60s, and is called the “New Left” wave. The groups of this era – like the Weathermen in the USA or the Red Brigades in Italy – were heavily influenced by Marxism, Leninism and Communism. Often, the anti-colonial terrorists began adopting similar ideas. The Tamil Tigers, for instance, are more a Marxist group than a religious Hindu one.
Terrorism only entered its “religious wave” in about the ‘80s. Over the next decade we saw the Christian Identity Movement emerge in America, the Aum Shinrikyo attacks in Japan, Jewish terrorism in the Middle East, and of course the Muslim groups that have now become so infamous.
While scholars continue to debate whether this religious wave is really any different from the terrorism that came before it, the fact that it is even identified as religious only emphasises that terrorism has historically not been a religious activity. Even in the Middle East and North Africa, secular nationalist groups – like the Palestinian Liberation Organisation or the National Liberation Front in Algeria – were the pioneers. The religious groups only came later.
Today, terrorism remains a broad activity taking in white supremacists, European nationalists, anti-government activists, animal liberationists and environmentalists, as well as the usual suspects. All this shows terrorism is simply a political tactic. It isn’t owned by any one political position or religion. It’s right-wing and left-wing, Christian, Muslim and Jewish, religious and atheist.
3. Terrorists always act in groups
Yes, terrorism is most typically a group activity. Killing people is often easier if you have other people egging you on. But that doesn’t mean you have to be in a group to be a terrorist, or that terrorists never act alone. In fact there are plenty of “lone wolves” in the history of terrorism. Far too many to list.
Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber is probably the most famous, but here you could also mention Eric Rudolph (who was in the FBI’s top 10 until he was caught in 2003) or Faisal Shahzad, the failed “Times Square bomber” who was convicted last year after acting alone. We don’t yet know if Breivik acted entirely alone, but if he did, he certainly wouldn’t be the first.
4. Terrorists have no moral conscience
It is easy to assume that because terrorists commit horrific acts, they have no morality at all. Unfortunately, this isn’t the case. Terrorists usually have very strong moral commitments – they just have a moral system that the rest of us find repugnant.
People like Anders Breivik don’t see themselves as doing something immoral. In fact, they usually see themselves as doing the only moral thing in the circumstances. Breivik admitted his act was cruel, but he saw it as “necessary” in order to save his people. Osama bin Laden had a similar attitude.
Terrorists usually aren’t psychopaths that have no empathy. They often have a great deal of empathy for certain people. The anarchist terrorists had empathy for the working class; the anti-colonialists had empathy for their own national or ethnic group; New Left terrorists had empathy for Third World populations; and today’s religious terrorists have empathy for their co-religionists. In fact they often see themselves as being altruistic – acting not only out of hate for people they think are the enemy, but also out of love for “their people”.
5. Terrorism aims to kill people
The original anarchist terrorists used to describe terrorism as “propaganda by deed”. That’s really what terrorism is: a way of communicating a political demand or idea. This is why it is almost always done in public. The September 11 attacks are the most extreme example of this. They were designed so that the second tower was hit 15 minutes after the first – enough time to ensure all the cameras were in place and the attack would be beamed live around the world.
The point is not the people who are killed. Terrorism is really done for the benefit of the rest of us – the audience. Without publicity, terrorism is a failure. It is meant to draw a reaction from us: to make us scared, or intimidated or angry. The direct victims are really just sacrificed for our attention. It is no coincidence that Anders Breivik posted his manifesto online just before his attack. Who would have read it had he not killed 76 people in broad daylight?
That’s why some terrorism scholars say you don’t even need to kill people to commit an act of terrorism. If, for example, you blow up an empty abortion clinic, that’s still terrorism because you’re using violence to make a political point through fear.
6. Terrorists have extreme views
Sometimes they do. Sometimes they are very conspiratorial or just plain wacky. But sometimes they hold political views that are fairly widely held. Anders Breivik’s views on Muslims and multiculturalism are similar to those of a lot of quite mainstream writers and commentators. Similarly, plenty of Muslims agreed with Osama bin Laden that the West had been oppressing Muslims for decades. The IRA were far from alone in wanting Irish independence from Britain.
What makes them extreme is that they believe change should be achieved through violence. That is, their prescription is extreme, but not always their diagnosis.
Waleed Aly is a lecturer in politics at Monash University, and works within the university’s Global Terrorism Research Centre. Previously, he worked as a commercial lawyer, and was a board member of the Islamic Council of Victoria for over four years. Waleed has risen to prominence as a young, articulate spokesperson for the Australian Muslim community, due to his considered commentary on human rights and multiculturalism within Australia.










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…and so, it turns out Anders Breivik really was insane…
http://www.smh.com.au/world/norway-killer-found-insane-20111130-1o6y5.html
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Brilliant article!
I’d like a discussion on how a normal, rational person comes to believe that what they’re doing is okay, necessary, needed, right.
I suppose it’s an environmental thing? But their childhood? Mentors? Personality?
If they’re not crazy, then that’s the super creepy part…
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Definitely, I absolutely agree with you, they may not be diagnosably insane, but they’re certainly not normal. Besides, it is people that decide what is insane and what is ‘ normal’ so maybe we just need a new category of psychological abnormality? I just don’t understand how a person must have been brought up to end up like that.
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Cracker of a read, Waleed, thanks. You mention the ‘war on terror’ in one of your comments. I would be interested in reading a post from you about that, and the ‘war on drugs’ Howard used to talk about all the time.
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Thanks for the response Waleed.
To follow on from your comment terrorism will usually continue until its grievances are met, what do you recommend a government do when it can’t in any way shape or form accommodate the terrorists. For example, if there were (god forbid) to be several anders breivik style attacks throughout Europe in the next year, some may say that governments should respond by negotiating with far right groups and perhaps giving in to some of their demands by limiting muslim immigration, or banning religious dress. Whilst this may appease some supporters of breivik, do you think it would be good strategy in preventing further acts of terror?
Thanks again for your time
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Good points Ittay and thanks for telling us about this article.
I just want to say that I think Governments / leaders need to learn from terrorism without giving into terrorism.
In the case of 9/11, imagine what a beautiful opportunity the USA had to learn from the experience, to see how it is perceived as an oppressor of Muslims. Instead it responded with more oppression. Tragic.
In the case of the Norwegian tragedy, I fear the same thing happening. The government will protect Moslem immigrants from “terrorists” and further disenfranchise their own people and heritage.
Prior to Breivik’s disgraceful actions there were a large % of Scandinavians speaking out against immigration and the dilution of their culture. My friends there have been complaining for years about how immigration has affected their culture (I have several valid examples but too much for this comment). Now, thanks to this act of political suicide by Breivik, their legitimate arguments are now too tainted to mention. They have been silenced by – ironically – a murderer who was on their political side. Talk about political stupidity by Breivik.
This silencing of the nationalist cause will, I think, have two effects: (1) immigration will continue unchecked because no-one wants to be seen to give into terror; and (2) terrorism will continue because the disaffected have been silenced and have lost legitimate channels for political protest.
What can the government do? The one thing I haven’t heard them do, at least in English language press, which is to admit that Breivik had a point. They need to deal with the social change that immigration has created, before committing to further immigration. They need to do what the US government failed to do: ask “why is this happening to us? What is the lesson here?”
That’s a world I’d like to live in – in which political leaders knew how to listen to why things are happening. Of course, pigs don’t fly, the moon isn’t pink and I am politically naive.
Simon
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Thanks Waleed, for (another) great piece. And congrats all who are participating in a respectful discussion. I for one would love to believe terrorists were designed in a different way to ‘normal’ people, but sadly recognise that’s probably not the case…
ps Anonymous – have you read ‘People like us’?
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Hi Waleed,
fascinating article. I’d be interested to know if there is any research available on the efficacy of different government responses to terrorism. For example, in Northern Ireland, terrorism has largely subsided through negotiations, whilst in Sri lanka, terrorism has largely subsided due to the recent decimation of the Tamil Tigers by government forces. Between negotiation and retaliation, is there a general pattern regarding which is more effective in response to terror?
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Hey Ittay. Yes, there’s plenty of research on it, and as you’d expect, the picture is mixed. My own view of the research, though, is that generally speaking belligerent responses to terrorism – that is attempting to crush it with force – doesn’t work very well. And when it does work, it takes a long time and is very costly in lives and money.
There is also quite a tradition of terrorist groups growing in strength as a result of militant response. The IRA is a case that’s often cited, here. When the British government responded with discriminatory means, and when Irish Catholics that didn’t originally feel connected with the militant struggle found themselves experiencing that discrimination, IRA support went up because there was greater solidarity among Irish Catholics. Another example that’s often cited is the French approach in Algeria, which some argue only exacerbated FLN terrorism. Still, there are those who argue the other way – that in the final analysis the French won the day.
These questions are too complicated to deal with in a comment, but I think we can say with a fair amount of certainty that the use of hard power against terrorism on its own doesn’t necessarily work and sometimes makes the problem worse. For what it’s worth, I think the War on Terror is a significant illustration of that (but this is perhaps for another post). Hard power is necessary at times, of course, but it isn’t a panacea. Each episode of terrorism is different, though, and a lot depends on whether the terrorism in question is related to deeply embedded grievances that are widely shared, or is more confined in its appeal (like, for instance, a lot of the New Left groups of the ’60s).
The Sri Lanka case is interesting. Firstly because I think it’s too early to say that the Tamil Tigers are history, and secondly because you’d have to say the Tamil Tigers were among the most successful terrorist groups in modern history. They lasted a long time and wrought a lot of havoc. So the question isn’t whether or not they were ultimately defeated by force – but more whether or not a more negotiative approach might have ended the controversy sooner and with less bloodshed. My own feeling is that as long as the underlying tensions are there, the most you can do is dampen terrorism for a while. It can easily resurface if there isn’t genuine political progress, and where the resentments continue to be held at a grass roots level.
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I can’t wrap my mind around terrorism. How is it possible for someone of sound mind to come to the conclusion that killing innocent people is the right solution to the problems they face? How can that same person love their family/friends, but be able to do that to other peoples family and friends?
Is everyone capable of terrorism given the right motivation or circumstances? Or is there something in most people that would stop them from escalating beyond idle thought to action.
It’s so scary to think about, but interesting. It makes my brain hurt to think about it.
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i guess they don’t see their victims as innocent.
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Melissa J, I understand your confusion completely. It’s the old problem: terrorism is abnormal behaviour, so how can it by psychologically normal?
I guess what I’d say is that dehumanisation is something we’re all capable of doing. In fact, we probably all do it everyday without noticing. We’re perfectly capable, for instance, of rationalising the vast numbers of people who die every day in wars (especially if we support those wars) or from starvation or exposure. We don’t see this as a problem, though, because we don’t act on this: we don’t pull any triggers or decide directly that anyone should die.
Terrorists are actually prepared to pull the trigger, but that doesn’t mean their psychology is abnormal. In fact, often they develop techniques to get over the psychological difficulties – taking steps to distance themselves from their targets, like wearing headphones so they can’t hear the screaming, or positioning themselves so they can’t take in the horror or fear on their targets’ faces. Otherwise, they can simply rationalise the destruction they cause. That’s exactly what Breivik did. It’s exactly what Bin Laden did. In fact, Bin Laden was quite mathematical about it. He figured that the US had killed something like 3 million innocent Muslims, and accordingly claimed the right to kill equally many Americans. Naturally, you’ll disagree with that rationalisation (as do I), but it’s not psycopathy or insanity.
Can anyone be a terrorist? I can’t say for sure, but the research so far seems to suggest that the answer is yes, which is depressing. But perhaps we should seek solace in the fact that so few people actually become terrorists. Becoming a terrorist requires a lot of things to happen, so its something very few people end up doing.
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Yeah I guess that is how they can do it, distancing themselves from the reality of the suffering and pain they cause and just thinking of it more in a broad way.
And I guess in a way we’re all involved in the bad things that happen in the world, like famine for example. We are able to watch starving kids on tv without doing anything about it because we can distance ourselves from it.
Evil things happen when good people do nothing, as well as when people do evil things.
Now I’m confused AND depressed.
Thanks for replying
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I suppose I can think of it like…how a tiny amount of people are able to do a great many extreme things that ‘normal’ people would consider ‘crazy’.
I may love heights – but if you go cliff diving, you’re crazy.
I may like hot food – but if you chow down on a chilli flower, you’re crazy.
I may like speed – but if you go 60k over the limit, you’re crazy.
I may like hiking – but you wanna hike up Everest, you’re crazy.
I may think Muslims are taking over our country – but if you start killing them all, you’re crazy.
They’re rational, sane people, but just have it in them to do ‘abnormal’ (in this case horrific) acts we would never, ever consider doing. Does that make sense? OR AM I CRAZY??!! D8
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I thought this was a very interesting article. Great to see Waleed writing for Mamamia. Waleed – you are one of my favourite Q&A panelists, I always know it will be a great discussion when you are on the panel.
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Great piece. On another note: Waleed, I used to work at the ABC in Melbourne and there was much talk of your dreamy liquid eyes and excitement when you’d make your occasional appearances in the building
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Terrorism to me is when somebody makes you shit scared for your life. In Britain at least, the recent riot rats have given Britain far more terrorism than it had from any other form of terrorist in recent years since Hitler. Surely the British soldiers would have been better served last week in getting stuck into these scum instead of an unwinnable war half a world away where their great great grandfathers couldn’t win either?
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i have learnt something today.
i always thought terrorists acted in groups, that a long gunman was not a terrorist as such. has the term ‘terrorist’ has really been hijacked by the anti-muslim brigade since 2011 maybe?
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rainbow, I should reiterate that terrorism typically IS a group activity. But there’s nothing in the definition of terrorism, in my opinion, to suggest that something shouldn’t be called terrorism simply because it was done by an individual.
Perhaps the term has been hijacked, but to be honest, that’s almost always the case. It’s a loaded term, which I think is unfortunate because the fact that it’s so loaded makes sober discussion of it almost impossible. That’s why I’d like to see us approach to term, and its application more analytically.
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Every time someone acts alone there are so many people saying “but it wasn’t a terrorist” – I don’t care if it’s one person or a group; anyone who inflicts terror is a terrorist!
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Actually alyssakt, whilst you are correct about the lone gunman idea, the definition of terror requires terror to be the intention. I can think of plenty of crimes that inflicted terror, but were not terrorism. Rape for example, can cause thousands of women in a given city to be afraid to leave their homes, but it isn’t terrorism. As to Breivik, I read somewhere that his goal at the summer camp was to destroy a future generation of his political opponents. This (if true) is an example of a mass homicide with a political purpose that is NOT terrorism. In this hypothetical he wasn’t trying to achieve his political goals through terror, rather the death was an end in and of itself.
So, I have to disagree with “anyone who inflicts terror is a terrorist.” You cast the net so wide it has no meaning.
simon
PS Julia Gillard terrifies me on many levels, but I do not call her a terrorist even if she meets your definition.
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Waleed, do you have an opinion or knowledge about the reactions of people who hold similar views to a terrorist? What I mean is, do people rethink their standpoint after something like this happens, or simply hold tight to their views but denounce the terrorism? I guess I know the answer because I know how stubborn people are in their beliefs, but just wondered if you had anything on that.
Thanks.
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yos, I don’t know of any research specifically on that. But the nature of these sorts of ideas are such that they don’t die easily. People can dismiss the terrorism, but maintain the ideas behind the terrorism. This is especially the case if they find themselves attacked for holding those ideas. Often, that provokes a defensive response, where people bunker down even harder. That can change, though, if the terrorism continues and becomes a major problem. We’ve seen this with Islamism. It certainly didn’t go away once Islamist terrorism emerged, but it has steadily become less fashionable in the Muslim world as terrorism became a bigger and bigger problem – and especially as more and more Muslims were being killed in the name of liberating them. If it goes on long enough and is deadly enough, terrorism will eventually deligitimise the ideas that inspire it.
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Thanks that makes sense. I find this so interesting.
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Thanks Waleed. This was so interesting to read and something I was thinking about a lot in the wake of the recent terrorism in Norway: I noted that the media did not use the term terrorist to describe someone who clearly was, because the definition of terrorism seems to have been lost/confined to one specific group of people.
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Overall, the article is pretty reasonable. Thought regarding Breivik, I think most common argument I’ve heard is “He is insane, therefore it is NOT an act of terrorism but the act of a madman”, not the other way around.
Also, all terrorists do have extreme views (IMHO) but they can often share mainstream views. Trying to tie the mainstream views to the terrorism is the political game that occurs after
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I think with Breivik it’s a bit of both…clearly insane, but the fact that his actions had political motivations and were focussed against the ruling Labor party in Norway also means they were acts of terrorism…
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought I heard it said that he was deemed to be completely sane- by psychologists I mean, of course to us he seems insane.
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Sane maybe…but definitely not mainstream…and I think there’s a difference between what is classified as “sane enough to be put on trial for his actions” and “everyday normal sane”…that powerpoint manifesto he created was weird…
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No…turns out he really was insane: http://www.smh.com.au/world/norway-killer-found-insane-20111130-1o6y5.html
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What is the answer then? There has to be a more legitimate way of making a political point than killing people.
There has to be some sort of disordered thinking going on to believe that this is a valid approach.
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I wonder if there is some degree of sociopathy with some of them. The lack of empathy for their fellow humans…..
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I think unfortunately lack of empathy is far more common than we like to think. Australians who have bitter and unwelcoming views toward refugees coming to Australia, for example, have far less empathy than most of would consider normal. Yet in other ways they’re normal people, kind to their families, would probably help you out if you asked them. Obviously that’s not the same as someone who commits an act of terror but perhaps the terrorist’s lack of empathy for others is one of the less unusual features of his personality.
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Thank you Waleed for a really interesting post. The thing that strikes me about modern day terrorism is that the discourse often seeks to demonise entire groups of people (eg. all Muslims, all fundamentalists) for what are usually the (violent and horrible) acts of a few against the many innocent. Who “we” (by that I mean society, politicians, the media and others) choose to define as terrorists and which causes or groups we choose to decry have varied (often hypocritically) over the last century. If we were to focus on the act of terrorism itself and apply that as a test across individuals, groups and governments (including the US and many governments and political parties we now treat as legitimate) we might find ourselves looking at an interesting and broader group of offenders, not all of them the “usual suspects”.
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Yeah, I think it comes from our need to categorise things, and I think a big section of the population doesn’t want to think too much about underlying problems in the world when they can shift the blame onto an easy target like muslims or the like (similar thing with the London riots – bad kids/where are the parents). Same with most types of news, people have a need to understand something that has happened, so if someone an provide a quick, easy answer that sits well with their sensibilities then they can put it to bed. It’s when someone says, “well that guys not crazy, even though what he did makes it seem that he is” that challenges a person’s ideas and makes it harder for them to comprehend. They have to open their mind and people don’t generally like that. My observations anyway.
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I think you’re completely wrong about Anders Behring Breivik having “mainstream Views”.
His Powerpoint manifesto was anything but mainstream…yes, he was anti Muslim and anti-immigration, but his rationale for these views was based on some pretty weird ideas…
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Well, I doubt we have the time or space in this forum to go through his entire manifesto, but I’d say the essence of it is very familiar indeed, and regularly published in mainstream papers.
I’ve summarised his argument elsehwere like this: the culture of Christian Europe is being eliminated by the traitorous dominance of ”cultural Marxism” with its associated programs of multiculturalism and Muslim immigration. This makes imminent ”the Islamic colonisation of Europe”. It’s so entrenched that there is now no hope of arresting the onslaught by conventional political means. The vanguards of this treachery – in this case Norway’s ruling Labour Party – simply must be destroyed through violence.
Apart from the need to resort to violent, unconventional politics, I’d say I’ve read that sort of analysis countless times in the past 5-10 years.
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Are you kidding me…all those references to “knights templar” is not something you see in mainstream media in Europe…nor is ” the culture of Christian Europe is being eliminated by the traitorous dominance of ”cultural Marxism”…that is extremist language.
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Yes, but the Knights Templar stuff isn’t his central grievance. And yes, the phrase “cultural marxism” isn’t very common, but the idea behind it is: that the Left (often influenced by Marxism), through multiculturalism and Muslim immigration is in the process of obliterating European Christian culture.
Read Melanie Phillips for instance. Hardly someone marginal in the UK. She’s a very widely read and published columnist and author. She is even feted in Australia. And she’s far from alone.
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I still think he’s a bad example of “sane” terrorist…lots of shades of grey with the Oslo attacks…
But I do agree with you that many terrorists are not insane…
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Really, JohnJames? I’m curious. What evidence have you seen that he’s insane? I haven’t seen anything yet, apart from a statement from his lawyer, which is clearly serving a purpose.
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I think Bradley’s point below is really important…the court-appointed psychologists only judged whether he is mentally capable of standing trial…which it appears he is…
…but I read that manifesto…he may not be clinically insane or mentally ill, but he is definitely not normal…
By the way, this is the only thing I disagree with you about…I agree with everything else you’ve said…but I wont agree with you that Anders Breivik does not have extreme views…he is an extremist…
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…insane!
http://www.smh.com.au/world/norway-killer-found-insane-20111130-1o6y5.html
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No, of course terrorists aren’t mad. Just a little bit misguided.
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ummm…I think that was the point of the article…there’s no doubt in my mind that Anders Behring Breivik was crazy-ape-shit-bonkers…but you can’t simply generalize that the motivations of all Terrorists are madness…
The IRA, for example, began using terrorism as a weapon against the British occupation of Ireland. Was that madness or a valid method of war? The fact that they continued using terrorism against the protestant North of Ireland after gaining independence WAS misguided…something that the IRA now largely acknowledges…but they weren’t mad…
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JJ….we may have to agree to disagree on this one. I find nothing sane about terrorism or those who choose to commit acts of terrorism.
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You know what…all acts of War are madness…but not all soldiers are mad…
All acts of terrorsim are madness, but not all terrorists are mad…
My Grandmother was born in Ireland in 1884…she had relatives who were members of Sinn Fein and who fought in the war of independence against Britain…I’m sure some of them were probably involved in acts of terrorism…the acts themselves are awful awful things…but I’m sure my relatives were ordinary people…but they were in extraordinary circumstances and performed awful acts in the name of independence…but they were not mad…
Was Nancy Wake mad? She committed many many acts of terrorism against the Nazis…No, she was a Hero…but she still killed people…sure, they were Nazis…but they had families and children who probably cried when they heard that they had been killed in France…
Life is not black and white…
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Exactly, and it’s all perspective. I watched an interesting doco called No End in Sight on the Iraq war and the US bungling of it and how that contributed to the problems there that they purported to be going in to solve.
One of the main points was when the US disbanded the Iraqi army and put all of the soldiers out of work, soldiers who apparently wanted to be a part of the new Iraq, the Iraqi people in general were said to be very welcoming of the invasion and hopeful that this might bring abut change. When the army was sacked they became disillusioned and took up arms against the US, who were now seen as oppressors.
What I’m saying is that they see things differently, but are they wrong? They may be “wrong” in the way they go about things, but is their point of view less valid?
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Hey Bradley. I’d be interested in why you’re so convinced terrorists must be mad. I understand the impulse to say this – but what do you make of the fact that the research overwhelmingly says the opposite?
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Bradley,
I can understand why you would see all terrorists as ‘mad’ in that to the vast majority of people, their decisions and actions are entirely incomprehensible as a process of rational thinking. Acting in a way that is incomprehensible to others is certainly one definition of madness.
I think the point that Waleed was trying to make refers to the fact that a significant majority of terrorists are shown to have no evidence of psychiatric pathology – that is, mental illness. Personally I feel that it is inappropriate to interchange the word ‘mad’ with ‘mentally ill’ as it certainly is not complimentary or particularly accepting of those in our society who do suffer from mental illness (an enormous majority of whom are, obviously, not terrorists).
Regarding the association between terrorism and mental illness:
The disorders which would be particularly linked to the concept of ‘madness’ in layman’s terms are those that involve psychosis – the disruption of the mind from reality, or the distortion of the perception of reality. I am unsure how much contact you have had with anyone suffering from a psychotic disorder but one common feature of psychosis is a disorder of thought so that, to any other person, the thoughts are significantly incomprehensible. Many psychotic people are, due to this disruption of their cognition, unable to participate in activities such as self-care and personal hygiene, or have enough foresight to perform activities like buying food to eat. When speaking with such people, it is almost impossible to imagine them having the capacity (while psychotic) to plan and carry out a major act of terrorism. An inability to make logical plans or have insight into the future is a recognised feature of the frontal lobe dysfcuntion which is associated with psychotic disorders, particularly schizophrenia.
Obviously I am making a generalisation here, in that some people have psychosis that does not disrupt their cognition in terms of their future planning.
The matter of personality disorder raised by Waleed is somewhat of a different thing, and I myself am surprised that certain personality disorders are not associated with acts of terrorism (they have been shown to be associated with other criminal acts). One of the personality disorders most commonly associated with violence and criminal activity is Antisocial Personality Disorder (previously known as psychopathy – being a psychopath), a key feature of which is an inability to feel empathy for others. In this case, criminal activities are much more associated with personal gain than any ‘higher cause’ or political idea. In some ways, it may be argued that for terrorism to occur, some degree of empathy is required – enough empathy to occur about any cause at all. Waleed highlighted this when discussing the empathic feelings that terrorists may have towards the other members of their cause – their allies, if you will. Someone with antisocial personality disorder would, typically, not see themself as having any allies. Additionally, a recognised feature of antisocial personality disorder is impulsivity and the inability to plan ahead – which again, is inconsistent with having the means to planning an act of terrorism.
I guess my whole post could be summarised into the point that there is a huge difference between ‘madness’ and mental illness and the debate above seems to be looking at people arguing really over terminology rather than ideas. Words such as madness, sanity and insanity do not form part of medical terminology and many people have different ideas of what they mean.
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Wow! I actually agree with all that….quite possibly the best comment you have ever made Brad!
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JJ…when we are on the same page, I know that everything is right with the world. May it happen more frequently !
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Thanks for the comment, Felicity. It’s a really thoughtful contribution. I agree there is an issue with terminology here, but unfortunately it goes further than that. It finds its way into policy. After all, what do you if terrorists are simply insane? You can’t negotiate. You can’t seek a political solution. You certainly can’t explain their behaviour. So, you find a (typically belligerent) response that misses all the underlying social conditions and often exacerbates the problem.
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Fantastic article, thanks for educating me!
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Very interesting post but I do think the holy war against infidels by fundamentalist muslims is downplayed quite a lot.
It seems to be written as an afterthought rather than acknowledging that these types of killings happen every single day in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
There’s no doubt there’s no such thing as ‘a terrorist’ fitting into certain categories, but the biggest threat to westerners when it comes to terrorism is by extremist islamists.
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As far as I know, the majority of deaths in Afghanistan & Pakistan aren’t ‘westerners’ – they’re locals, mostly Muslims. It’s a bit more complex than Eastern Muslims / Western Christians.
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Lulu I’m talking about extremist muslims blowing themselves and others up, I don’t mean they’re killing westerners. Yes they’re sadly mostly killing other muslims.
I just mean if we’re going to look at it as threats to westerners (separate issue) extremist muslims are the number 1 terrorist threat.
It just seemed very simplistic to have an article about terrorists but to so quickly gloss over islamists.
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To my mind that was one of the points of the article. People stopped referring to Breivik as a terrorist as soon as they found out he wasn’t muslim. Some people have an idea about what a terrorist is and this article is just saying that there are many misconceptions, so I don’t think he simply “glossed over” Islamists.
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Thanks Yos, it was just my interpretation as this article is opinion, not fact.
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As is my comment. Respectful opinion. Peace.
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Downplayed. Really?
When the news reports immediately after the atrocities in Oslo automatically assumed it was an Islamic attack?
I’d say the opposite is true.
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“Today, terrorism remains a broad activity taking in white supremacists, European nationalists, anti-government activists, animal liberationists and environmentalists, as well as the usual suspects.”
The usual suspects? The world muslim is barely mentioned, even though extremist muslims (please note my use of the word extremist) kill more people, DAILY, than any other subset of terrorists.
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Where is your proof for that? That Muslim extremists kill more people daily? I find that a huge generalisation and think you might have missed the point of the article. We might HEAR more about Muslim fundamentalist acts, but that does not mean that it occurs more.
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Hi Amy – I studied terrorism (in all its forms) at university.
The proof is in the statistics, sadly.
I don’t think I missed the point of the article, I found it very interesting I just thought it was rather bias.
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Hi Anonymous. I’m not attempting to downplay anything. And I’ve said plenty in written and oral form about Islamist terrorism over the years. Which is appropriate given the recent impact it has had. This article was an attempt to look at terrorism as a phenomenon rather than a news event. That’s why it takes a long range, broad view. It’s not about counting victims, or assessing what’s worse than something else. It’s that I’ve detected our thinking about the concept of terrorism itself is a little muddied and is worth clarifying in the abstract. It’s not a question of bias (which I’ve always found an odd sort of criticism) but of the purpose of the piece, and the perspective that’s appropriate for it. It seems like your criticism is really that I didn’t write a different piece. Which is fair enough, of course.
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Hi Waleed
No, I didn’t think you should have written a different piece. What I was surprised at was your, in my opinion, glossing over the link of fundamentalist muslims and terrorism in your section on religion and terrorism. You had the attitude that there’s no more of a link between muslims and terrorism than atheists and terrorism and I think that’s showing bias.
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No, it’s true – provided you’re examining terrorism as a phenomenon. Historically speaking, Islamist terrorism is a johnny-come-lately. That doesn’t mean it isn’t very serious or very deadly.
It’s more accurate to say that Islamist terrorism is more prevalent than atheist terrorism at the moment. But if you want to make an inherent point – that is that Muslims or Islam or Islamism are “inherently” connected to terrorism more strongly than the range of atheistic ideologies, then I’d say that’s just incorrect given the history of terrorism, as well as what we know about the psychology of radicalisation and its accompanying identity politics. There would be very few scholars in terrorism studies who would make that sort of a claim.
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Thanks for the response Waleed, I am very interested in your point of view but I don’t understand how you can say that there isn’t a more prevalent link.
I would like to know how you can come to that conclusion when the Qur’an is the only holy text that describes a ‘holy war’ between believers and non believers/ Muslims and infidels.
There are fundamentalist muslims all over the world fighting this holy war, Jihad, in the name of Allah and there’s no equivalent in any other religion…so how can you not at least admit that there’s a link there that simply can not be made under any type of atheist (or Christian, Buddhist, Hindu) doctrine?
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Sorry – there was no reply button, so I’ll have to post here.
That argument is completely inconsistent with the fact that Islamists are such new arrivals on the terrorism scene. Any decent history of terrorism has very little to say about them until about the 1980s – about a century after modern terrorism began in Russia. The Qur’an hasn’t changed in the meantime, and it’s pretty far-fetched to suggest other religious texts don’t have calls to war in them. Again, very few scholars of terrorism studies think the answer lies in scanning religious texts. Terrorism is a social and political phenomenon.
Your discussion of “holy war” is actually a completely different topic (I’ve written lots about this, but don’t have the space to do it justice here). To begin with “holy war” isn’t a Qur’anic term at all. But even if we ignore this, and even if we read the Qur’an as a thoroughly militant text (which I reject), war and terrorism are very different concepts.
You’re right that there’s a global militancy at the moment in extremist Islamism. But that was also true of the anarchists that emerged from Russia. To the extent they’re different, it has a lot more to do with globalisation than it has to do with something written in a 1400-year-old text.
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You’re absolutely right in that new terrorism is a recent phenomenon. It’s of course also far more deadly and as you say globalisation plays a very big role in that too.
It’s probably getting a bit tricky to reply as we seem to have run out of posts, but I just wanted to thank you for taking the time to respond and debate with me as I respect your work and am interested on your take on things (which are probably in essence very similar to my own).
It’s a BIG topic, and I’d be interested to read more of your thoughts on the issues I’ve raised, I shall therefore do a little googling on more of your work.
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What were the crusades then if not a holy war?
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ummmm, Timothy McVeigh did NOT act alone. He worked with Terre Houte, Terry Nicols and Michael Fortier.
Pretty big fact you got wrong!!
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um….Terre Houte was the prison where he was executed
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yes, you are right. but I am not putting my name to an article that paints me as an expert and still got a major fact wrong.
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fair point
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john, you’re partly right. I mention Timoyth McVeigh in passing above because, as I say, he’s typically among the first cited as an example of lone wolf terrorism. It’s true other acccomplices were convicted. But in the case of Michael (and Lori) Fortier, their involvement was very marginal, and Michael was really convicted for failing to give the authorities warning of the attack, and ultimately became an informant. In fact, when McVeigh asked Fortier to be involved in the bombing, Fortier refused.
Terry Nichols was a more serious accomplice, and convicted as a co-conspirator. He assisted with bomb-making, for example. But he also tried to pull out of the plot, and although he continued to go along, McVeigh complained about both him and Fortier, because they “liked to talk tough” but didn’t want to follow through.
According to the best information we have, McVeigh was the driving force the mastermind, the person who carried out the bombing, and it seems the only reason it happened. This is probably why the literature so widely refers to him as a lone wolf. There is some suggestion he involved other Aryan groups, but nothing has been proven yet. Watch this space, I guess.
I didn’t think it was worth going into all this for the sake of a passing example, particularly when the literature is overwhelmingly in favour of calling him a lone wolf. But thanks for raising it.
as has already been pointed out, Terre Houte (I think it’s actually Terre Haute) isn’t a person. It’s the site of a correctional complex in Indiana. As for the involvement of other people, it’s true Terry Nicols was convicted as a co-conspirator,
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john, you’re partly right. I mention Timoyth McVeigh in passing above because, as I say, he’s typically among the first cited as an example of lone wolf terrorism. It’s true other acccomplices were convicted. But in the case of Michael (and Lori) Fortier, their involvement was very marginal, and Michael was really convicted for failing to give the authorities warning of the attack, and ultimately became an informant. In fact, when McVeigh asked Fortier to be involved in the bombing, Fortier refused.
Terry Nichols was a more serious accomplice, and convicted as a co-conspirator. He assisted with bomb-making, for example. But he also tried to pull out of the plot, and although he continued to go along, McVeigh complained about both him and Fortier, because they “liked to talk tough” but didn’t want to follow through.
According to the best information we have, McVeigh was the driving force the mastermind, the person who carried out the bombing, and it seems the only reason it happened. This is probably why the literature so widely refers to him as a lone wolf. There is some suggestion he involved other Aryan groups, but nothing has been proven yet. Watch this space, I guess.
I didn’t think it was worth going into all this for the sake of a passing example, particularly when the literature is overwhelmingly in favour of calling him a lone wolf. But thanks for raising it.
Oh, and as has already been pointed out, Terre Houte (I think it’s actually Terre Haute) isn’t a person. It’s the site of a correctional complex in Indiana. I’m not sure what you mean by saying Terre Houte worked with McVeigh.
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I *think* I know the answer to this question but I’m going to ask it anyway -
Why is the Oslo shooter labled a terrorist and Martin Bryant is a mass killer? Is it that Brevik (sp?) had a political point to prove and Bryant just wanted to kill people?
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Yeah, actually I think you got it in one…
Anders Behring Breivik deliberately targeted Government Offices and a Labor Youth Movement…they were politically motivated attacks…and specifically targeted against the Labor movement in Norway.
From what I understand about Martin Bryant, he just wanted to feel the thrill of killing people…
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Thanks, JAJ.
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Great common sense here. Wish I’d thoghut of that.
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Yup, Bryant had no political ideology, at least, not one he was pushing. Just a killer.
Though John (commenting above) may correct me if I’m wrong!
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Thanks, an idle dad.
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Martin Bryant may not have been pushing a political agenda, but had I been at Port Arthur on the day that he ran rampant, I certainly would have felt terrorised.
I wasn’t driving down Hoddle Street the night that Julian Knight went beserk with his gun either. But a few weeks later we had some nut shooting at cars on one of the main roads in Brisbane. The fact that it was a road that I travelled on quite often left me feeling terrorised.
Sure, neither event is the Munich Olympic Games or September 11, but certainly acts of urban terrorism. People were left terrorised and traumatised because of loan gunman.
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That’s why I am interested in the terminology, Bradley. Both are equally scary, and both types of killers felt completely justified in their actions. I guess it’s splitting hairs and a killer is a killer is a killer?
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The two examples you supply are random acts unlikely to be repeated by someone. The terror felt is along the lines of ‘there but for the grace of God I go’ as seperate from ‘this act was to make a political point and someone else might try to make the same point in the same way again’.
I’m not trying to downplay or excuse Bryant’s crimes or diminish the victims’ terror or trauma. The question was specifically, was Bryant’s act mass murder or terrorism?
Bryant committed an act of mass murder. It was terrifying.
All murder is terrifying to those close to the violence. Is a man stabbing his wife in front of his children a terrorist, or a murderer? To make all murders acts of terrorism diminishes the horror of the word.
Agree? Don’t agree? I’m not having a go here.
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You make a good point. I think our society is inclined to view any violent act that isn’t a crime or passion or where the killer knows the victim/s as terrorism. Here I quote one of my favourite films (no disrespect to the subject at hand, I just feel it’s relevant).
“Money? You’re after money? What kind of terrorists are you?”
“Who said we were terrorists?”
(Die Hard)
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Bradley, sometimes I can’t make up my mind whether you really do take language that literally, or you are just being a troll…
Of course any violent act is terrifying…but the term “terrorism” has a very specific meaning…terrorism is an act of violence intended to create fear and is motivated by some sort of political or religious view-point…you cannot classify Bryant and Hoddle Street as being “terrorist” in nature…
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“of course any violent act is terrifying”
Exactly. I’m sure a plane crash due to mechanical failure would be terrifying for whoever is on board. But even if there are the same number of deaths if the plane is hijacked, only one of those terrifying events is terrorism.
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Seriously, there is a difference between terrorism and feeling terrorised. Surely you understand that?
I think it’s all about context, sometimes you’ve gotta take it down to the definition of a word in order to actually understand.