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Thylane Loubry Blondeau sparked calls for a French crackdown on sexualised kids in media

Time to ban ‘sexy’ kids in advertising, magazines?

Federal parliamentarian Amanda Rishworth said it was time to look at regulating the use of young children in advertising and other media, like magazine shoots, particularly if advertisers refused to heed calls to stop sexualising kids.

“I don’t think we have broad enough standards and guidelines that encompass the whole area,” said Ms Rishworth, who has campaigned against the commercialisation and sexualisation of children.

“Parents are struggling with this. I don’t think it is as simple as banning things but industry does need to take some more responsibility and start responding to parents’ concerns and the government does have a role in that.

“If industry doesn’t move, I do think there is a role for government regulation.”

As the Daily Telegraph reported, France was considering going down the same route.

Last week, a French government report urged the banning of “mini-miss” beauty pageants and high heels, padded bras and G-strings for children. Using models under the age of 16 in fashion campaigns should also be illegal, the report said. An outcry over the use of 10-year-old Thylane Loubry Blondeau in a provocative shoot for Vogue in 2010 prompted the report.

Kate Fischer on the cover of Dolly when she won in 1988, aged 14.

Whitlams decline state funeral for Margaret

The Whitlams have opted for a private funeral for one of Australia’s favourite public figures, Margaret. She’s the wife of former Prime Minister Gough Whitlam and passed away at the age of 92 after a fall. The news comes as former PM and friend Bob Hawke said he was worried about his mate’s health after he lost the ‘love of his life’.

“I think his son put it right … when he said he thought that his mother could last and get on without Gough but he doubted if Gough could without Margaret, and I think that’s probably right,” Mr Hawke told ABC radio 774.

“Gough is not in good shape at all and of course we hope that he hangs on, but I would think the fire that’s left there would have been diminished very significantly by the passing of Margaret.

“In the circumstances you would think it may accelerate Gough’s going. He’ll be devastated without her.”

- If you want to know more about why Margaret Whitlam inspired so, read these ‘best of’ quotes.

Cancer rates can be cut by diet and plenty of exercise: study

The incidence of cancer could be cut by a quarter in the lead-up to 2025 according to a report to be published in the Medical Journal of Australia.

Taking data on projected illness, and coupling it with published findings on the association between food, nutrition and physical activity in the prevention of cancer, the journal study found the incidence of cancer in Australia would rise to 170,000 in the next 13 years, an increase of 60 per cent since 2007. Intervention to improve health and environmental factors could reduce that by 43,000 or 25 per cent, it said in a report to be published today.

Pip Youl, one of the authors and the head of research at Cancer Council Queensland, said that fewer than 10 per cent of Australians ate the recommended five serves of vegetables a day and only 6 per cent ate two or more serves of fruit a day.

”Ways to encourage better eating are things like improving the number of whole-grain cereals and bread, choosing foods that are low in salt, choosing a low-fat diet, particularly diets that are low in saturated fats.”

The report also noted the disparity between the rich and the poor, the latter of whom were becoming more obese, faster.

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Ian Thorpe

Thorpie didn’t make it, Olympics trials continue

The comeback kid didn’t make it to the Olympics after all. He placed 21st in his 100m freestyle bid to head to London later this year, notching up a time of 50.35 seconds. He had earlier missed out on the 200m.

“You can have tremendous success and not be enjoying something and I have had bitter disappointment here and I still am enjoying what I’m doing again,” he said.

“I guess the light at the end of the tunnel for this week is realising that even though those results weren’t what I wanted, I am enjoying this and it’s why I will continue to push through.”

Thorpe’s failure hasn’t put an end to the controversy about how much the Australian Institute of Sport has been funding his training over and above what other, lower profile (but possibly faster) swimmers were receiving.

Swimmer Leisel Jones did make it through making her the first Australian swimmer ever to head to four Olympic Games. She moved through after coming second in the 100m breaststroke at the selection trials in Adelaide.

Parents who give-in to babies demanding food have smarter kids, according to study

It’s a case of the squeaky wheel gets the highest IQ, according to a British study of 10,000 babies. Babies who are fed on a schedule receive lower IQ scores than those who are fed when they demand it. It makes no difference whether it is breast milk or formula. The real difference was four or five IQ points.

“The difference in IQ levels of around four to five points, though statistically highly significant, would not make a child at the bottom of the class move to the top, but it would be noticeable,” lead researcher Maria Iacovou said.

However, the researchers, from the University of Essex and the University of Oxford, found that feeding babies on a schedule did have benefits for mothers and urged caution in interpreting the findings.

“At this stage, we must be very cautious about claiming a causal link between feeding patterns and IQ … more research is needed to understand the processes involved,” Iacovou said.

George Clooney arrested at anti-Sudan Government protest

Hollywood actor and Oscar winner George Clooney was led away in hand-cuffs from the Sudanese Embassy in Washington over the weekend. He was also arrested with his father Nick. Clooney, who recently visited the area, told a Senate hearing this week that Sudan’s forces were launching repeated attacks on unarmed civilians and preventing aid from reaching a region where US officials say as many as 250,000 people face severe food shortages.

Police told to re-think Tasers after death of man

The safety of Tasers is in question across the country after police tased a man in Sydney’s Pitt Street at the weekend, resulting in his death. The New South Wales Council of Civil Liberties President Cameron Murphy said there should be a moratorium on the use of Tasers until their safety and guidelines for their use were clarified. The list of people who have died since the introduction of Tasers into Australian police forces is small but growing. The man was confronted after he allegedly stole a packet of chips, though police are unsure if he was the right suspect or, if he was, whether he had intended to steal the chips. Investigations are continuing.

The Australian version of the ‘Jersey Shore’ is coming

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Snooki, made famous by Jersey Shore

You heard right. Channel 10 has revealed it will soon start production on a reality television show called ‘The Shire‘ which will follow the lives of a group of ‘colourful and controversial’ people living in Sydney’s notorious Sutherland Shire. It is fully intended to become the Australian Jersey Shore, which itself is a reality television hit in the United States and around the world.

“The Shire is a fascinating look into a unique sub-culture in Australia and the first time a local dramality series is being introduced to the commercial television landscape,” says David Mott, chief programming officer, Network Ten.

The Shire is a glimpse behind the curtain into the heart of Australia as you have never seen it before.”

“From their hectic and crazed social lives to problems with work and family, The Shire will leave no stone unturned,” Mott says.

Kony 2012 documentary-maker has breakdown, naked in street

Film-maker Jason Russell who placed himself at the centre of a 30-minute documentary about African child-soldier army leader Joseph Kony has suffered a public breakdown over the weekend, at one point banging his fists while naked in the street. He was briefly detained by police before being admitted to hospital.

His wife Danica said the extreme scrutiny placed on the family after the documentary went viral in days (it has been seen more than 80 million times) was responsible for the breakdown.

“We thought a few thousand people would see the film, but in less than a week, millions of people around the world saw it.

“On our end, the focus remains only on his health, and protecting our family. We’ll take care of Jason, you take care of the work,” her statement continued. “The message of the film remains the same: stop at nothing.”

- Here’s why that work to stop Kony (and others like him) is important. Let’s hear it from Kony’s former ‘wife’.

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  1. Brian Chidsey

    EBOOKERS

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  2. Another perspective

    I would just like to say that my daughter is a child model (she is now nearly 7 and has been modeling since she was 3) and I have never felt that she is being sexualised whatsoever. She has done work for all the usual names here in australia- target, best&less etc plus loads of others and they don’t ever even put make up on her. I think we need to distinguish between high-end fashion labels overseas and what the industry is here … At least for very young girls.

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  3. catgirl

    I think that banning sexualised kids is very tricky :( How do you draw a line in the sand and who gets to draw that line.

    I remember the post on this site that was made about Kaia Gerber, and I like many other people who commented didn’t have an issue with the image…not with her pose or the clothes that she was wearing.

    As well I don’t have an issue with the images of Anais Gallagher. Anyone who thinks that those images of her used in the photo gallery scream sex, I think it has a bit of a problem.

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  4. Mum of almost 3

    Yes – sexualising of kids in advertising should be banned. It is sick and part of the reason our little girls feel so inadequate being themselves. Further, what is it achieving for advertisers? It does not entice me to buy any product. Furthermore, I cannot see how images of a 10 year old in a ‘sexy’ pose would appeal to any adult but a paedophile.

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  5. Mum of 2

    Is it time to ban the sexualising of kids in advertising/ magazines? Abso-bloody-lutely!!! I would definitely give my support to that. How fantastic is it that a parliamentarian is bringing this up?

    Where do I sign?? (sorry about all the exclamation marks – I am just over the moon about this! :-) )

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  6. Anonymous

    also i think youll find kendell jenner is 16 not 14

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    • aleced

      I think they are saying that she was 14 when the photo was taken

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  7. happyface

    I think they need new laws to protect under 16 year old children in the media/advertising/modelling/entertainment industry.
    At the moment it is up to the parents what is published, obviously some of them are misguided to let photos of their daughter with legs open wide be used in campaigns. The girls know no better at that age, fast forward 20 years and they may be deeply embarrassed.
    It is a type of abuse, abusing the power of a child by imposing adult views upon them. I pray they change the laws soon.
    What is Marc Jacobs thinking using a 13 year old in their campaigns – aimed at selling perfume to women at least 10 years older, he must be a sicko and I for one will never buy his perfumes.

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    • Lu

      I agree. We need laws in place to protect some kids from their parents. I would go so far as to include beauty pageants and some dance contests in this category too. Some of the clothes little girls wear at these competitions is appalling.

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  8. psyv

    Woohoo! Go Leisel! Breaststroke was always my stroke so it’s a love close to my heart :) My ex went out with her when he lived in Qld when they were both 13ish lol

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  9. Freckles

    While I find most of the photos appalling, I don’t see the issue with the photos of Anais Gallagher.

    She’s not wearing a tone of makeup, wearing skimpy clothes or positioned provocatively?

    Am I blind?

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    • Em

      totally off topic, but your user name has me craving the chocolate freckles… yum… :-)

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      • Freckles

        haha it’s actually the nickname my boyfriend calls me…..but now I’m craving chocolate freckles :( Damn you!!

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  10. Jayne

    The Shire? Noooo please! As a country, let’s not stoop that low. We are better than this !

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  11. amyintheworld

    My fiancé pointed out last night that a video of Russel’s snap was going around online. I think it is a bit sick. I’m not sure about the Kony 2012 campaign myself, but I believe that Invisible Children have their hearts in the right places. To vilify a man who’s had a mental breakdown is just plain nasty. Especially since he’s trying to do a good thing – whether or not his way of helping is truly the best way to help (I dont know).

    In regards to the Aussie Jersey Shore… I think it will be hilarious! I live in the Shire, moved here about 2 years ago. I moved to Sydney 6 years ago and have lived in Bondi and the Lower North Shore. The shire has by far been the nicest place – there’s a great sense of community. In my experience I have come across a lot more general attitudes about ‘boat people’ and the like that I find I have to bite my tongue about, but it’s not as bad as people seem to think.

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  12. Anon76

    Yes! Ban the ‘sexualised kids’ magazine spreads and underwear lines! I can’t believe how those young girls are made to look in those magazines. What is happening to our little girls????? I have a baby girl and I am scared for her future. What sort of society are we that allow little girls, innocent children to be pictured as if they are sexual playthings? Can we really be so shocked at the number of sexual assaults on young girls when our own society encourages their dehumanisation – they are made into objects (of prey?) rather than shown to be thinking, feeling beings. When I was growing up it was all about using your brain to get ahead in life, that you wanted people to see you and respect you for your intelligence and good life choices, why has it changed so much? What is the future for our girls going to be like?

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  13. Ruth

    Just feel so sorry for Jason Russell. He must have been under a massive amount of pressure to break down like that. You just never know what breaks a person. Hopefully he has loving family and friends to get him through it.

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  14. Mum of 2

    The Shire?? Oh man, Australian TV is really settling in for the final part of its nosedive now isn’t it….!

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    • Peta

      Don’t forget- ‘Being Lara Bingle’ starts soon too….

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    • Xanthe

      Wasn’t there a programme on TV some time in the ’70s or ’80s about a “normal” family in the suburbs? I think this one was in Sutherland Shire as well. “…something Waters?” Ah, “Sylvania Waters,” that’s it.
      Is this one going to be the same, or similar?
      Cringe.

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  15. Em

    Yay for Liesel, she seems lovely. So happy for her.

    I still think whatever $ they spent on Thorpe was worth it. Apparently the swimming was struggling to pick up anyone to take the TV rights to these trials before he became involved, and the media interest from all over the world increased significantly.

    It certainly shows how amazing Huegill’s comeback was now too!

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  16. Mooner

    I don’t like the terminology “give-in to babies demanding food”!!!

    Demand-feeding is not the same as a demanding baby & feeding a hungry baby is not giving-in!

    The research is about feeding on demand, not the personality of the baby! (well, as far as I could tell from the orig. article linked to).

    BTW I’m not having a go at MM. news.com.au has referred to “demanding kids” (although the research is about babies) as well, so I assume you have taken your headline from theirs…

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    • Rick Morton

      I just went for brevity in the headline, I have to due to character space limits! Hopefully the difference is spelled out enough in the copy ;)

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  17. Counterpoint

    It’s kind of ironic that Jason Russell got arrested before Joseph Kony.

    This is classic Greek tragedy – the man who pushes arrogantly and blindly ahead convinced of his righteousness but ends up being brought down why his own hubris. Anyone familiar with Oedipus Rex will know the score.

    So Russell thought he could play God. I always found something slightly on the nose about the Kony video and the whole simplistic, manipulative campaign.

    He wanted to use social media but it turned on him and bit him on the bum. Social media is powerful and unforgiving. If you’re gonna play with it you’ve got to to play by the rules it dictates.

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    • Mooner

      I think this is extremely harsh. No matter whether you think he was ‘arrogant’ in the WAY he promoted his cause, his cause was good. He could have sought attention in other ways, but he thought he was doing the right thing. To then basically say “serves you right” when he suffers a public breakdown is very cruel.

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      • Counterpoint

        I am not saying it serves him right at all. No one deserves to have an emotional breakdown. I’m simply making an observation. I find the whole thing fascinating. And this latest twist is dramatic gold.

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        • Guest

          Dramatic gold? I’m usually one not too get too precious. For example the recent article about what not to say to mothers? Get over yourself. It’s just a question.

          But as someone who has had a mental breakdown and done embarrassing things, and who knows other hard working decent people who have also snapped, I find this comment painful.

          I understand somewhat what Jason is going through. If you could understand how horrific it is to lose your mind and humiliate yourself like that you wouldn’t not talk about it like it’s some fiction on TV, some entertainment.

          There are very few things we ask of people not to laugh at or find amusing or for your entertainment. Like people with mental disabilities. People with mental health issues, temporary or permanent, are also in this category. It’s only a few things, not too much to ask.

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    • Guest

      As someone who once snapped under stress like Jason has (thankfully minus any street masturbating) I find peoples lack of compassion disturbing and at worst there are people who actually seem to think he somehow deserved to break down!

      I find your assessment of Jason to be a bit smug. Yes his organisation doesn’t have the best accountability rating. But it’s hardly a fraud. It is on par with many other worthwhile charities still operating just fine around the world and in Australia. Rather than tear him down for it, why don’t people offer to help his organisation shape up a bit?

      Convinced of his own righteousness? This is a black and white debate. Kony is a bad guy. He should be tried by the ICC, even though his days of being a threat are largely over. The grey lies in how we should help the victims but everyone has gotten too lost in picking apart these details because they want to be cynical. The hows and why of donations matter, but at the end of the day the video has succeeded – more people now know what happened to Ugandans, and that can never be a bad thing.

      Jason strikes me as someone whose Americanness and Christian faith has given him a certain…something. I have noticed his type before. But so what. He truly has devoted 10 years to this issue and has achieved something amazing. So what if you can pick a few minor faults (personally don’t get a lot of them – so what if the expenses are high. They travel. The whole damn point of the group is to travel to raise awareness. NO ONE has accused them of anything like swanning around first class).

      10 years of helping people and then he gets ripped apart by cynical keyboard warriors. What have they done with their lives to make a difference?

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      • Counterpoint

        There are many who would say a person who runs around vandalising cars and publically masturbating is a “bad guy”.

        I’m not saying Russell is one. I’m just using that to point out that no, things aren’t always black and white, as much as we’d like them to be.

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        • Guest

          ….and they would be people who do not understand a mental breakdown. I am not Jason’s doctor but quite likely he will not be found criminally responsible for what has just happened as he was likely not sane. It would be people without knowledge of mental health who said he was a bad guy for what just happened – not people with a difference of opinion, just people with no understanding. The example doesn’t work because Jason’s behaviour isn’t about shades of grey and what you think of his actions. You are either ignorant as to how your brain can lose control of itself in a way that abdicates your personal responsibility or not. No grey.

          There is plenty of black and white stuff to be found in this issue. That Kony is a bad guy. That we need to help the victims. Jason has achieved awareness on these two issues and that is praiseworthy. I am frustrated people are lost in the grey about the hows and whys when there is much good work done here.

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          • Counterpoint

            Ok so what if Kony is the victim of mental unhinging himself? What if he was abducted and raped as a little boy and was so damaged and traumatised he turned into a monster? How many of the kids he’s abused will grow up and commit attrocities? will we go out to hunt them down and kill them too?

            Once again, I’m not excusing his behaviour. But to see things in terms of black and white is simplistic and dangerous.

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      • alyssakt

        I think my sympathy for him is marred by the millions of dollars going into his personal bank account daily.
        If 35% of the $13m Invisible Children made in 2011 was “unaccounted for” last year, I imagine Jason is at least 10 times as rich this year…

        And to say “they’re doing the right thing” despite the amount of people in Uganda coming forward saying otherwise is a bit brainwashed, in my opinion…

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        • Mooner

          You have misquoted me in quotation marks.

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          • alyssakt

            I wasn’t quoting you

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            • Mooner

              Sorry, mis-read depth of your reply. It looked like it was to me. I cannot see who you were quoting.

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  18. Georgie

    What’s the Shire? Sorry, I’m a Melburnian! Can anyone think of a Victorian equivalent?

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    • aleced

      Lara Bingle is from there, if that gives you any indication?

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    • The Shire is “The Shire of Sutherland”, a large peninsular in the South East of Sydney.

      It is a demographic anomaly in Sydney, because unlike the rest of Sydney that has become largely multicultural over the past 60 years, the demographics of The Shire have largely remained Anglo-Celtic.

      The clichéd generalization of The Shire is that it is populated by racist cashed-up bogans…like all clichés, this is bullshit…but just watch CH10 pick and choose people to appear on this show to reinforce this cliché.

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      • Lisa R

        Is this the new Sylvania Waters???

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      • anonymous

        i live in the shire and have been approaached to be in this show… apparently it is going to be nothing like jearsey shore and more along the lines of ‘Made in Chelsea’..

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        • aleced

          Pardon my ignorance but what exactly is the difference between Jersey Shore and Made in Chelsea?

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          • Anonymous

            i only knoiw cause im a reality addict haha well they say made in chelsea is a much more expensive looking, classy show not based on people getting wasted and banging random people.. im not saying it wont be like jersey shore but thats what the producers have been saying

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            • odette

              I wouldn’t necessarily trust what the producers are saying.

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      • Georgie

        Good explanation, thanks!

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    • Kris2040

      Mornington Peninsula maybe? Like people who live just past Franga would claim to be on the Peninsula, because it’s seen as desirable.

      I’m about 40min south of Shire Central, and at uni we’ve had to do the “Hi, I’m Kris, I’m from Sydney originally but live here now…” Everyone says the suburb they’re from (we were encouraged to because we need to do group projects, so our teachers wanted us to have an idea of where people were to organise meeting for work). Shire people go “Hi I’m Josh/Tayla/whatever, I’m from the Shire”. The attitude of many there used to be “Why would I leave the Shire when the Shire has everything I need?” And then complain about having to go across a bridge for a night out for dinner.
      And before anyone gets all het up, those comments I have actually experienced, from a number of different people, and they are quite proud of it.

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      • Em

        I find Sydney facinating in that respect.

        In Melbourne where you live or are from isnt nearly as spoken about as up there. In Sydney (where I have spent a lot of time), it seems its one of the first things people want to know / mention.

        How there are special defined areas like ‘inner west’, ‘northern beaches’ etc.. We just dont have that here (that I come across anyway!), at the most we have north, east, south and western suburbs which arent particularly defining!

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        • Em

          ** fascintating (Monday morning typo!)

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        • Corey

          I live in Melbourne (from Sydney originally) and I have to say I have been struck by how much where you are from (North or South of The River) matters to people here…

          I guess it depends who you talk to ;)

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          • Em

            Interesting…it is mostly people that are south of the river who talk about that?! hehe!

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          • Jimmy's Girl

            … and where you went to school is very, very important to Melburnians, more so than where you live.

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        • Lulu

          Em, supposedly some people get excited by the north/south of the river divide, but I don’t anyone who feels like that.

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          • auscrawl

            In Brisbane I think there is much more nth/sth of the river talk.

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            • alyssakt

              On the Gold Coast it’s north (old money), south (casual) and west of the M1 (the “wrong” side – high crime rates – 90% of serious suburban incidents [like murder and assault] seem to be in Nerang, Pacific Pines or Upper Coomera)

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          • Em

            Oh! I have only heard or north and south or the river spoken about by Perth people!

            Clearly im missing out on something!

            Although I work with someone from inner city who thinks I live in the sticks because im 10km from the CBD :-P

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      • InKL

        Kris, there is absolutely no need to let those sorts of secrets out of the bag before the show is aired. I grew up in the shire and when I read about the show I squirmed in my seat. There are plenty of lovely, normal people who live in the area and would like to think that what happens across Tom Ugly’s stays across Tom Ugly’s ;)

        I hope to never ever see the show.

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  19. In my head, The Shire is a reality program about the daily lives of a bunch of Hobbits…I’d watch that!

    “Some coney’s been at my carrots!”

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    • oliveblanche

      Hell yes!! That sounds like an awesome show! Hey tv producers great idea here!!

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  20. Chellebelle

    We need to be very careful about labelling children on the basis if their intelligence. Not only are labels limiting, but there’s a lot of thought out there that IQ tests are fundamentally flawed so all results based on IQ tests should be treated with caution.

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    • alyssakt

      I agree. I do well in IQ tests because I’m good at pattern recognition, English and maths. Does that mean I am smarter than others who have skills in other areas? I don’t think so.

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  21. Anonymous

    I accidently found myself confronted with a Jersey Shore episode not long ago…..
    “the Shire”??? Awkward!! Let the yanks be pathetic, not us.

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    • oliveblanche

      Haha I was thinking the same thing. I actually love Jersey Shore. In a it makes me feel smart and non ridiculas kind of way. Which is so nasty of me but…. Yeah I don’t want Aust to be come a laughing stock either!

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  22. Kris2040

    “The Shire”. Bahahahahaha

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    • georgiepie

      sounds like something off lord of the rings!

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      • Kris2040

        I *may* call people who pride themselves on being from the Shire Hobbits on occasion.

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  23. Bex

    My kids better turn out to be geniuses as they were demand fed for 2 years each ! Feeling like a cow on the odd occassion is the cross that I’ll bear. Lol.

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    • Never too late too learn

      Lol. Totally with you on that one. Still demand breast feeding my 20mth old. Moooo. This study gives me hope.

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    • Ruth

      Haha Bex, me too!…got one genius, one not genius and a bit too early to tell with the youngest, but I’m going with probably NOT genius ;)

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  24. Re: Police told to re-think Tasers after death of man

    One fact you can’t deny is that only a very small percentage of people will die from a taser…nearly everyone dies from a gunshot from a police weapon…police are trained to kill with their weapon, not maim…

    This wasn’t a simple petty theft…from the reports I’ve read, this man was showing signs of a psychotic episode…the fact that the police had to first use capsicum spay would indicate that this man wasn’t in a mental state to cooperate with police…the fact that the capsicum spray wasn’t enough to subdue the man back this up…and so it would seem that the police had to resort to using the taser…

    At least they had the option of the taser…if you’re from Sydney you may remember the shooting death of Roni Levi on Bondi Beach in 1997 by police. If they had used a taser, he may still be alive…

    What may be an issue is the use of both capsicum spray and tasers at the same time…I think that may be worth investigating, but I fully support the use of tasers…

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    • psyv

      Well said, JJ. I’d rather be tased than killed if it were ever to come to that.

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    • Chellebelle

      Of course there’s always the added thought – if you don’t want death by taser don’t break the law!

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      • Ummm…that’s a little insensitive to the victim in this case who may have been suffering from mental illness at the time…

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      • Guest

        Sigh. MM comments today are really giving me some cheer about mental health status.

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        • Chellebelle

          Ok, so I read this story very quickly in the taxi this morning & didn’t pick up on the mental health component at all, so I do apologize if I’ve offended anyone.

          I wonder how many times tasers are used on law-breakers with no mental health problems vs law-abiders who have mental health problems. I stand by my comment for the former.

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          • MJ

            Well regardless of why the person is violent and uncooperative, they need to be subdued. They need to get the person under control (via taser/spray) then assess the causes of their behaviour – if they are obvious psychotic or mentally ill they will be taken to hospital for treatment.

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    • oliveblanche

      Ahhh thanks for that JJ. I figured there had to be more to it than just a bag of chips. If the man was in a psychotic episode I can’t see what other choice they had. He could of ended up hurting himself, killing himself or others. If it was a violent psychotic episode obviously. I like what you said about the spray and the taser. I also think this disaster would benefit from some imput from the psychiatry community. I hope they look at this and realize there is not enough support and plans in place to deal with these situations. Mental illness and mental related episodes should be at the forefront of issues debated in this country but is always just swept to the side with promises of money and no real change in the set model. Seems the Government only want to look at things causing moral panic within our society caused by the media. Sigh….its disheartening and makes me wonder how this stuff is still going on. Btw I want to point out I’m in no way saying the police aren’t well trained in this area. I’ve seen the police training curriculum and they do train a lot on EDP (emotionally disturbed person) the massive problem that occurs is they have no where to take these poor people. Massive closure of our mental health facilities has left sick people with no where to go and no one to care for them except relatives and it is a tough and sometimes dangerous job. It’s all well and good to say that community based care is the best option for the mentally ill ( never met one expert who thinks this tho!) but how can someone be cared for if the relative or friend caring for them has no training and doesn’t have the right facilities. It’s like sending home a palliative care patient and saying here you go you’ll be fine….we have a hotline. Guessing that may not go down so well! Opps trust me to turn this into an issue about our failing and abysmal mental health care model. ;)

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    • Guest

      Taser’s don’t need to be rethought, training does.

      Taser’s kill people at a rate that is too high. I believe they should be used but the public and police need to rethink how they view them. They are not a means to easily subdue someone, like some people seem to think ‘why don’t we just taze them?’ they are a gun that most likely won’t kill you – so it’s a better option than being fired at.

      Police need to be trained to view their taser like a gun. Before going to taze someone the question should be ‘would I pull a gun on this person? Because slim chance is this person could die’.

      I support tasers, and I support them for this man, even though the outcome was tragic. Less people will die if police have an option not too shoot. What I don’t support is tasers somehow becoming a weapon without a lot of respect. You shouldn’t taze someone lightly, like we have seen happen overseas.

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      • MJ

        I think they are trained to only use it as a last resort before shooting someone. In police academy they are actually tasered and capsicum sprayed during training, so it’s not something they do without thinking about it first.

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    • Anonymous

      It seems the man wasn’t armed in any way, and he may not have even been the guy who stole the chips. From what I’ve reading, apparently there were more than 1-2 cops there, so I don’t see why they couldn’t have restrained him physically, after the capsicum spray if necessary.

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    • Lulu

      JJ, this was an interesting recent article in The Age:

      http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/defusing-the-death-by-cop-time-bomb-20120224-1ttmd.html

      “Police are trained to take control in potentially violent situations. [snip] But these ”we’re the boss” tactics can go horribly wrong if the subject is not rational. As police ramp up their response, the confused person on the other side sees only a threat. Too often the endplay can be fatal.”

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    • alyssakt

      And more recently, Adam Salter – who was self-harming during a psychotic episode in his father’s home and was shot dead by a senior officer while she shouted “taser! taser!”. It’s thought she might have grabbed the wrong tool in her haste. I don’t doubt that if she had used a taser Adam would have had a lot better chance of survival and treatment… I’d certainly prefer to take my chances with the taser to a bullet any day!

      As seen on Four Corners 5 March 2012
      http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2012/03/01/3443486.htm

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