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Olympic shooters Russell and Lauryn Mark are angry. Surprisingly, their anger is not directed at whoever came up with the idea of Lauren posing for this cover of Zoo magazine in a bikini. With a gun. With bullet holes. As a way to ‘promote awareness of shooting’.

No, no. They’re totally cool with that.

However.

The couple – who have been married for 8 years – have been told they won’t be allowed to share a room in the London games’ Athlete’s Village.

Some of us would think that was cause for celebration. A whole bed to yourself?  Starfish time! But Russell and Lauren are not happy. They are majorly pissed off.

The couple say not being able to sleep in the same bed might will disrupt their routine and could affect their performance at the games.

Russell claims that the ban is actually retribution because of his own controversial stance on the use of sleeping pills by athletes and also because of his wife’s decision to pose in a bikini for the cover of Zoo Weekly. (Pictured on the left.)

The couple also claim that the ban is unfair given that homosexual athletes are allowed to share rooms during the games:

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Russell and Lauryn Mark

“The stupid part of this, which I have argued to them, is that there are tons of gay couples on the Olympic team who will be rooming together so we are being discriminated against because we are heterosexual.” Mark said.

“Every couple, whether they are married or de facto should have the AOC trying to bend over backwards to accommodate their needs…

“It’s just too hard for them. What I am asking them isn’t too hard but its obvious the AOC have a problem with it.”

Oh yes. Discrimination of heteros. That’s what it is. How awful.

The AOC says all athletes are given single gender rooms and it’s the responsibility of the section manager of each sport to decide whether couples can share a room.

Samantha Donovan from the ABC spoke to Nick Sullivan, who manages the Olympic Village about the issue. She reports:

NICK SULLIVAN: What I’ll be doing is moving into the village on the Monday and having a look at the rooms, making sure that we’ve covered all the bases and that we’ve got sufficient space for everybody.

Our intention is to try and make sure that the team gets the best opportunity and obviously that incorporates the two of our shooting couples that we have going over there.

SAMANTHA DONOVAN: How do you think this confusion arose?

NICK SULLIVAN: I think very plainly the issue arose over the rooming arrangements, the original schedule which just showed that we needed to make sure that we don’t have mixed gender rooms.

And changing things around showed that very plainly we were going to end up with five females and two males in one apartment with two very small bathrooms.

We want to know where you stand so we’re taking a poll: legitimate Olympic concern or FIRST WORLD PROBLEM.

Tell us what you think…

[and Russell and Lauryn may want to take a look at Mia Freedman's Wussbag column here. Just a thought.]

Should Russell and Lauryn Mark be able to share a room?

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87 Comments so far

  1. Nelly

    I just read this article. It could possibly be the worst piece of journalism I have ever read. Who wrote this stuff? The work experience kid? Seriously it was terrible. Who ever wrote it please find another job. Writing is not for you.

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  2. Alicia

    “Some of us would think that was cause for celebration. A whole bed to yourself? Starfish time!”

    Haha, cute.

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  3. alyssakt

    I volunteered at the Sydney Olympics (walking the athletes and officials to the podiums for medal ceremonies) and there were hundreds of thousands of condoms used in the Athletes Village – so many so that they had to be restocked midway though the Games.

    I imagine that as soon as an athlete is out of contention, it’s party time.
    So I also doubt having single sex rooms will make any difference to anyone. They’re almost all adults – let them be.

    And as for this couple, get your own hotel and/or suck it up.

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  4. Anonymous

    Is shooting really a sport anyway? Just checking…..

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  5. Anonymous

    I’m more concerned that Lauryn let a surgeon give her such a horribly unnatural set of breasts like that!

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  6. Kathy W

    I can’t believe this pair of wussbags are banging on about this.

    It’s always been Olympic policy to separate by gender. I mean, hasn’t Russell Mark gone to a gazillion Olympics before? Why the whinge now?

    Get over yourselves, shoot some clay birds or whatever it is you do, and deal with sleeping without each other for 14 days, diddums.

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  7. MamaMel

    I am trying to summon up an opinion about this (I have an opinion about everything!) but I can’t. Just. Don’t. Care

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  8. Cath

    I guess what troubles me most is that she can’t let her sporting excellence stand on its own merits and she felt the need to strip off and pose for a mens mag to raise the profile … sure!!!

    Wow first world problem people … Get over yourselves suck it up and represent your country or not … I’m sure there are others willing to take your spot (even if they didn’t qualify) and they won’t moan about where they are sleeping!

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  9. girlbarista

    Okay, I had a little laugh over this article today, but mostly due to THIS quote…

    “…is that there are tons of gay couples on the Olympic team who will be rooming together…”

    Because obviously, there are lots of gay couple Aussie athletes competing at an Olympic level, who will go to the Games together and, uh, WHUT? Can somebody please name one for me?!?!

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    • Jackson

      Mathew Mitcham

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      • Anon

        And who is Matthew Mitchum’s male Olympian life partner? Since the question asked for an example of couples who were gay – not singles.

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  10. Clare

    Wow, discriminated against because you’re straight. How tragic. I can’t imagine anything more painful than being forced to have separate hotel rooms for two weeks! Now THAT’S oppression!

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  11. Lulu

    “Every couple, whether they are married or de facto should have the AOC trying to bend over backwards to accommodate their needs…”

    Bend over backwards? Ah no, as you’re in London, there are probably some clubs in Soho which will cater for this …

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  12. Mooner

    Obviously the priority has to be ensuring that everyone in the Australian Olympic Team has a single sex room. If there is an even number of couples that would work out that the couples could share, if it’s an odd number of couples it won’t and they’ll have to suck it up.

    I cannot believe that in the preparation for the Olympics they would go public on this, putting themselves at odds with the organisers. Seems pretty ‘disruptive to their routine’ to me.

    And what the heck is this “Every couple, whether they are married or de facto should have the AOC trying to bend over backwards to accommodate their needs…” – um, why exactly?

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  13. Jules

    I have nothing against either of these people or their chosen sport or whether she posed for a magazine etc etc etc. but c’mon it’s the Olympic Games not their honeymoon. How pathetic is it to be chosen to represent your country at the Olympics and all they can do is sook about their sleepIng arrangements. First World Problem. I think so!!!!!!!!!

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  14. Yvette

    Well I for one love the tongue in cheek intro to this story. It made me read on as do most mamamia stories. No complaints here.

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  15. princesstan

    I am really disappointed in this article. It is so badly written and comes across as very childish and rude. To me it feels like MM have more of a problem that she posed for Zoo more than anything else.
    This could have been an interesting discussion but the badly biased condescending view spoils it.
    And what a silly poll! Again it is something to just make the writing look immature.

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    • LB

      Couldn’t agree more. Please stop with these childish articles Mamamia, your readers are better than that.

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    • Jess

      I agree, it reads like it was written by an 18 year old influenced heavily by Mia’s thoughts on the magazine industry. Not your best work mm.

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  16. Jackson

    Just a question for the MM team.

    Are there any plans for any positive sports stories to be published on MM while the Olympics are on?

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    • sick and Tired

      No I don’t think there will be any positive and informative articles on the Olympics for two reasons:
      1) such articles would involve research, fact finding and information. Not. Just. Stupid. One . Word. Sentences. About . Nothing
      2) Mia doesn’t think much of champion sportspeople – remember what she said the day Cadel won the Tour de France!

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      • hellburger

        Wow. Sounds like you need to find a new site to visit instead of dumping on this one. Many of us enjoy the light-hearted articles as much as the serious ones. And really? You’re going to bring up the Cadel thing again? How many apologies/explanations does Mia need to make. And you talk of others’ need to be more positive…

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        • Jackson

          Hi Hellburger,
          I think that people offering feedback on what stories they like and dislike is good for the growth of the site. Clearly there are quite a few people who are unhappy with the tone of sports stories on here. My question was genuine, I hope that over the time the Olympics is on, MM will have some positive sports stories but if they don’t, I will find somewhere else to read,but I will still come here and read the other stuff.
          It is neither helpful or constructive to reply to comments in a rude negative way. Just as people can read elsewhere if they don’t like what is posted, you can skip the comments you don’t like. If everyone did this then there would be no need for snark like yours.
          And correct me if I am wrong, but I don’t think Mia ever apologised for anything she said about Cadel, and if she still feels the same way about sports then she had no reason to apologise. but people still have a right to express what they think about stories etc on this site.
          Have a great night.

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          • Mia

            Thanks for the feedback (I think!).
            Not every story on MM on every day will be to everyone’s liking. And our experience is the people who DON’T like a post tend to be the ones who comment the loudest. Those who like it just read it. And we take many learnings from the traffic numbers each day and for each post.
            We take that into consideration when we plan our future posts and put together our daily and weekly mix.
            As for sports stories, no, we don’t cover a lot of sport on Mamamia. Or cooking. Or decorating. Or international politics. There are only so many things we can cover and we base our choices on what our audience responds to.
            However I would disagree that we have a particularly negative attitude to sport. We have run many posts on sport in the past that were positive or neutral – although given we only usually run ‘sport’ stories when there is a news angle, that does slant it a bit.
            As far as this post goes? Don’t confuse being dismissive of sport in its entirety with being dismissive of the frankly ridiculous fuss made by two individuals.

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          • hellburger

            Hi Jackson, I think you’ve mis-read my comment – it wasn’t directed at you, but at the “rude, negative” and “snark”-filled comment by Sick and Tired.

            You have every right to ask your question of MM and I was not debating that.

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    • chellebelle

      Actually that’s a valid question. I’d like to know if Mamamia plan to do any Olympic coverage? Can anyone recommend a good website that will give me overviews of the main action each day?

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      • Mia

        Hi Chellebelle,
        Yes, we will actually be doing daily morning coverage to wrap up the major olympic news from overnight.

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        • chellebelle

          Excellent news!

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    • jamilarizvi

      Hi Jackson

      I’m a sometimes-sport-watcher most of the time. Love the AFL and watch the tennis religiously but that is about it. But during the Olympics – I go a little nuts.

      And I think a lot of people are similar! Olympics is when our sports mad nation gets just that little bit madder. Personally, I just love it.

      But enough of that – the answer to your questions is yes, we’ll be posting daily during the Games with updates on what’s happened overnight at London.

      We’re also starting to get into the mood, with a few looks at different things going on ahead of the Games. I know this issue isn’t everyone’s cup of tea but I found learning about this one absolutely fascinating: http://www.mamamia.com.au/news/transgender-olympic-athletes/

      Cheers,

      Jamila

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  17. Hello

    Boring story badly written. Not enjoying Mamamia for a while now. Give us some real journalism… Investigative – even if it’s only human interest.

    Everywhere you look is bad (cut n paste + dodgy opinion) journalism. It would be refreshing to see some good old fashioned informative writing on a topic we are not already sick of. Go on Mamamia, have a crack at the real thing!
    With respect of course.

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  18. SC

    Why such harsh criticism from MM on this one?? Is this really about Russell and Lauryn’s stance, or just that you don’t agree with Lauryn posing for ZOO??? What a pointless story.

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  19. Mat

    What a terrible and judgemental article. Such a double standard on this site. If the Aussie women’s Hockey team posed nude in a calendar to make some money to support their chosen career and were thought to have been discriminated against, would the Author have taken such a derisive tone?

    I’ve read this site since it began and taken part in debate when I’ve felt it necessary. But lately this site appears to be sinking to ‘new idea’ depths with its articles.

    Come on MM, bring back the cutting, witty journalism and cut the tabloid junk.

    This issue was over and solved before you put fingers to keyboard.

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    • lb

      Go Mat, bring back the old mamamia that we all know and love

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      • old style

        I agree. Bring back the Mamamia of old. Too many judgemental stories.
        The poll in this one is just rubbish.

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  20. Phoenix

    Irrespective of the merits of the arguments on every side, it’s all a bit of a storm in a teacup, isn’t it? As for the argument that ‘my routine will be disrupted’, what about the routines of other partnered members of the Olympic Team – whose partners don’t happen to be sportspeople and/or also on the Team – who won’t be able to sleep next to their beloveds for the duration? Isn’t that a disruption to their routines? Surely, in this context, being able to be accommodated with your partner gives you an advantage not available to other members of the Team?

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  21. Jackson

    Well someone is clearly having sex while competing at the Olympics

    100,00 condoms given out in the athletes village in Beijing
    130,000 condoms given out in Athens
    90,000 in Sydney.
    Unless they are being used as water balloons :)

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  22. viviehar

    Oh please! Our armed forces serve overseas for months at a time without their partners. I hardly think this rates. Sick of the Olympics before they start! Such narcissism!

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    • Sara h

      Hear hear! Well said! And…over it!

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    • Phoenix

      Wholeheartedly agree, and not just because I’m a former member of the Australian Defence Force. Frankly, these kinds of sportspeople should just get over themselves……

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    • Beckala

      Absolutely – I’ve just been on the phone with my cousin whose partner is serving in Afghanistan – she was so excited because she got to SPEAK to him – first time in a week. And they can’t handle a couple of weeks in separate rooms? Where they’ll be able to see each other every day?!?!

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  23. Cordeline

    I really hope that Mamamia runs some positive sports stories during the Olympics. OK, maybe at least just one…

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    • Agree

      I agree wholeheartedly. I enjoy Mamamia but find its attitude to sport appalling.. Just because Ms Freedman couldn’t give a hoot about it doesn’t mean there aren’t a hell of a lo of women out there who do love sport… and many women participating who are interesting and great role models for all walks of life… And mothers whose chlidren play sport..
      Russell and Lauryn Mark are a married couple who want to share a room… and why shouldn’t they be able to??

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  24. onandon

    This negative and judgemental story will be the last Mamamia article I ever read.

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  25. Nicki

    I’m not voting in that poll, because it’s none of my bloody business which stranger chooses to sleep with another stranger.

    I would have a problem with the sleeping arrangements of my partner, though.

    Obviously I don’t care much about the “achievements” of sports-people…..in fact I don’t see sport at their level as anything more than pure narcissism.

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  26. Anonymous

    Решила значит я выучить английский, выбрала компанию Study Lab Зря, что пришла к ним! Как только денужка капнет им на счет, вы для них исчезли на всегда!

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  27. Anon

    I cannot belive the double standard here and it has nothing to do with sleeping arrangements (because who really cares) BUT why is this “Olympic Athlete” allowed to pose on the cover of a national magazine with a gun and the other 2 swimmers who posed with guns a few weeks ago on a social network site caused all sorts of drama (which was all a lot of carrying on over nothing) for them!
    Those poor guys copped heaps for doing something in their own time and posted about it, but is this ok because she is actually a shooter………..

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    • guest

      Because shooting is her sport?

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      • Anon

        Well that makes it all OK then doesn’t it……………

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      • Nicki

        Why aren’t the male Olympic shooters posing in their budgie smugglers? That would be *ahem* interesting…..

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  28. Anonymous

    Wow. Classy! Way to raise the profile of your sport in a positive way!

    And also, who freaking cares.

    And also, while I’m working up this righteous indignation I’ve got going on, this article is terribly written mamamia, fyi. Step up your game!

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  29. oopsyboops

    I can’t believe that this is a news issue. The coverage on th Today show is just…ugh. Seriously, they are adults. I appreciate they love each other, and want to be there for each other, but there are other people affected. Get over it. I’m sure that once they are actually in the village it will all end up ok – someone will swap a room without it being a big deal. sheesh.

    I’m really dislking the coverage leading up to the games – it all seems so petty and shallow. There was also the story about Sally Pearson coming second. The headlines were along the lines of “what happened to Sally??!” ummm, she came second, by a fraction. If this is the pressure she is copping now, imagine if that was actually for the gold medal!

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  30. Kylie

    This is stupid, I was unfortunate to read this article in a paper left on the train – the AOC said they could sleep together in the end – I wasted a minute of my life reading a non-story

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  31. Lucy

    To those who think it’s not discrimination because it’s “just the rules”, there actually is a form of discrimination known as indirect discrimination, whereby treating all people in exactly the same way disadvantages an individual. It’s different to the kind of discrimination we usually think about, but still considered discrimination. Just food for thought!

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  32. MissV

    Urgh these two annoy me!

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  33. SP

    Ohhh come on!
    Let them share a room.
    My partner is about to head over to London to work for the Olympics and I am already starting to feel bummed out about him not sleeping next to me in our bed for the next month.
    I just really like sleeping next to him every night. Make me feel comfortable and secure.
    I can definitely sympathise with this couple.

    Also after watching a few interviews with them over the last couple of days they seem like a fun, loving couple and I feel like this article makes them come across as crazy and attention seeking.

    Here is an interview with them from Today Show this morning….

    http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8499759

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    • BG

      There has to be a bit of “attention seeker” in someone who poses for ZOO.

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      • SP

        yeah, you’re right!
        they also have a stripper pole in their bedroom…

        haha

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    • Phoenix

      If you don’t like being apart, then your partner can always get another job – or one that allows you to go with him….. Otherwise, why gripe?

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  34. Jules

    If any couple – or even good mates or training partners – desperately want to share a room then disallowing it because they’re different sexes seems a bit ridiculous to me. They’re all adults after all, if the people you’re rooming with don’t mind then who cares?

    Having said that, this is clearly not discrimination, it’s just weirdly rigid adherence to the rules, them saying it is discrimination discredits their whole argument.

    If it were me I’d not have bothered with this attention seeking, public bullsh1t though, I’d just have found someone else who was willing to swap rooms and gone ahead and done it. This smells a bit like a publicity grab to me.

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    • ABC

      The thing is, the Olympics isn’t just for 18+ year olds.. Lots of 15-18 year olds competing too!

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  35. Beckala

    In the original article, it stated:

    “They were told they would have to leave the village and rent a hotel to stay together, but both will instead stay in the village and compete.”

    If it really is that much of an issue that it will affect their performance, why don’t they just get a hotel room? I thought the point was to be there to compete in a sporting competition.

    “Every couple, whether they are married or de facto should have the AOC trying to bend over backwards to accommodate their needs…”

    It’s not a holiday! I think the AOC probably have bigger priorities than a couple’s room request. It’s about sport, pure and simple. I know when putting together lists of students to share rooms on camp the way that one change can set off a chain reaction of issues – and that’s only dealing with 60 kids. They’re adults, they need to grow up and stop thinking about themselves so much – they are two individuals who are part of a very large group – a bit of perspective is needed!!

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    • Ness73

      I’m not sure there are going to be too many empty hotel rooms in London at the moment…and those that are would be disgustingly high priced.

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  36. anon

    The tone of this article is very negative isn’t it? A bit rude to the couple. If I was travelling overseas for what is a stressful time I’d be pissed if someone told me I had to be separated from my husband.

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    • Missy

      I agree. I thought it was a bit condescending because of the ZOO cover. Maybe we would be more sympathetic if Lauryn hadn’t posed for ZOO.

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      • Agreed

        I think it was very judgemental and most likely due to Lauryn’s zoo cover also.

        I think they should ‘suck it up’ and deal with the separate bedrooms if it is the same rule for all athletes (girl/boy dorms), isn’t that what we are meant to be discussing here? Not a woman’s personal decision (which Mamamia are clearly against) to pose in a magazine ?

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      • Sara h

        She posed and was paid for that cover so what’s condescending about mamma using? You want double standards then these two are it, they want more than others in the Australian team when realistically isn’t it all about competing for your country and don’t WE pay for that? If they want a holiday then they should book and pay for it themselves otherwise hush up!

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    • Lulu

      Uhh, all the other athletes are being separated from their wives/husbands.

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  37. craigvn

    If the issue comes down to mixed bathrooms, come on. Half of Australia have lived in share houses without a problem. I can imagine it a problem if the athletes were 12 years old.

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  38. zepgirl

    I think I would find it really off putting if because of particular rules I wasn’t allowed to sleep with my partner of eight years while we were away together. They can’t be the only couple in the Olympic village, what are other countries doing? And why would it be so terrible if men and women had to share a living space? Thye’re all adults, it’s not like they’re teenagers on school camp.

    Having said that, putting a ‘hetero discrimination’ spin onto this is ridiculous.

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  39. amd

    And we had to have the sexualised photo of the woman as the cover of this story because?….. Is the man posing nearly naked too?

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    • Beckala

      I think the pic there is to demonstrate why they think they are being discriminated against – their claim is that the AOC is punishing them because she did that Zoo shoot and her husband came out in support of athletes using sleeping tablets.

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      • amd

        Perhaps you are right. I just saw it as another example of the media grabbing a few headlines by sexualising women at every opportunity. Would have been nice not to open Mamamia and see this, as I don’t choose to read Zoo, and would never click on a site or link for Zoo. Mamamia could have just showed the title, with her face and made the same point. I see your point, but still think it was not necessary.

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    • Mia

      Hi amd,
      Yes, we chose this image to illustrate the story because it is (according to the couple) a factor in the decision to not allow them to share a room.

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      • amd

        And, as stated, I don’t read Zoo and it was not necessary for you to show this to make the point. The headline and her face would have been quite sufficient. We all know what Zoo front pages look like, it’s pretty hard to escape them at the best of times.

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        • Sara h

          I don’t think that we should take potshots at mm after she was happy to pose for it and was paid to do so

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          • amd

            There was no pot shot. I didn’t realise Mamamia was linked directly to Zoo? Oh, they’re not? So, again we did not need to see this. I do not choose to read Zoo.

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  40. Kel

    If just one of them had been accepted into the team they would be staying in a room with a team-mate of the same sex, not sharing a room together. I don’t think that the rules should be changed just because they happen to be married and both got into the team. I’m sure that there are plenty of married/in-a-serious-relationship Olympians who will have to change their routines by being at the Games, and cannot see how this is aimed at disadvantaging Russell and Lauren as some sort of payback.
    Knowing someone who did not make it onto the Olympic team in 2000, I say be grateful for this opportunity, you have succeeded where many other have failed and are living the dream. Respect the rules, play fair and stop whining!

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  41. Nora

    I think it would be kind of hot. Imagine the sexual tension and the fun you could have with it. “let me walk you back to your room.” Hot I tell you!

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  42. anon

    I think the line has to be drawn somewhere and with this one I support it being same sex rooms.
    I totally understand where they are coming from but its not a black and white issue any more. Social guidelines as to what constitutes a couple is not what it was years ago. And while saying that its ok for a married couple to share a room it will open a can of worms. Then engaged couples will want to share a room, defacto couples and then couples who have just hooked up will think they should be entitled to share a room too…who judges which couples qualify as a couple and who dont?
    And if that means gay couples can share, so be it.

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  43. FHB back from the dead

    Let’s ban a loving couple from sharing accommodations?

    It feels like they are treated like school kids at camp.

    Geez, it must really harm other people so much.

    It amazes me that certain people seem so willing to put up with facile rules, yet are frequently the ones who arrive at Woolies at 5:30 on an early Saturday close, begging to be let in because they “just need one thing”.

    If we can’t make exceptions based on common sense, I guess we should never expect them in our favour.

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  44. Mb

    Whilst I’m no fan of the magazine cover, I really don’t ‘get’ why they are not allowed to share a room.

    They are elite athletes. This is their career. They are not like the majority of us.
    If I’d trained for 4 years, with my partner beside me, who knew exactly what I was going through, and was part of my routine, then I’d be a bit out of sorts about having that routine disrupted as well.

    If they were in business together and were told at a conference they couldn’t share a hotel room after working on a special project for 4 years then people might see it differently.

    If they were Olympic walkers that didn’t pose with guns on magazine covers, they might be seen differently too.
    Doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be allowed to share a room.

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  45. Liz

    If they can’t survive without sleeping in the same room for two weeks, then surely they best stay home & let people who can abide by rules go. It’s not as though they are being prohibited from seeing each other for two weeks.
    And to invoke “we’re being discriminated against by not being able to sleep in the same room, cos all those crazy gays are whooping it up together all over the Olympic Village” is utterly facile & shows that neither of them truly understand discrimination.
    Concentrate on why you are in London, which allegedly is to compete representing your country, not on some imagined discrimination.
    Grow up, the pair of you!

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    • Amber

      I think they definitely need to grow up and focus on all the positives. I guess at least with this tantrum they’ve got some PR for their sport.

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  46. Anonymous

    As mentioned in the article, females are put with females and males with males. This is the same for most countries. The athletes will be staying in apartment style blocks and it is usually females on one whole floor and men on the next etc.
    I understand why they would want to share a room, but it’s not like they would get a double bed. They are all single beds so would you really want to share a single bed the night before your gold medal chance?

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  47. Mellasj

    “Should the shooters be able to sleep together?”

    I think Not – if the accommodation rules are gender based then it should be enforced. Saying “there are heaps of gay people who are rooming together” is surely be default not by design.
    I wonder how many hetro couples there are participating in the olympics ?- it would be interesting to know.

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  48. Lulu

    “Should the shooters be able to sleep together?”

    Yes – keep the gun-totin’ gene away from the rest of the population, thanks.

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    • justvisiting

      But they might produce more shooters that way!

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