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FGM2 Sheik charged over genital mutilation of two Sydney girls.

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by SENATOR MICHAELIA CASH

Female genital mutilation.

As Australian women, these three words make us recoil in horror.

However for millions of young girls around the world, these three words represent an abhorrent act which will change their lives forever. And no, not for the better.

Just one week ago, West Australian police charged a couple with subjecting their baby daughter to genital mutilation. Today news has emerged that two Sydney residents have been charged by police in connection with the genital mutilation of two young girls, aged 6 and 7. This from the Daily Telegraph:

Police arrested the Sheik, 56, from Auburn and the 68-year-old nurse earlier today. The children’s parents were charged last Friday with two counts of female mutilation.

NSW Police Force’s Sex Crimes Squad began investigating the allegations earlier this year and set up Strike Force Longfield and have been been working closely with NSW Health and the Department of Family and Community Services.

Police will allege the two girls had the procedure, which is also known as female circumcision, performed on them in NSW when they were aged six and seven.

The practice of female genital mutilation, or FGM, is internationally recognised as a violation of the human rights of girls and women and is illegal in Australia.

The practice, which varies from country to country and between regions, involves partial or total removal of the clitoris, or excision of any other part of the genitals including the labia majora and labia minora, or any other kind of mutilation of the genitalia.

Perhaps one of the worst aspects of this practice is that it is mostly carried out on girls up to the age of 15. An estimated 100-140 million women have experienced genital mutilation worldwide and three million girls are estimated to be at risk of undergoing the procedure every year. Deformed and in pain, these girls are denied any kind of real childhood.

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Senator Cash

There are no benefits that come from this violent procedure. None. What it can cause is infertility, severe bleeding, infection, trouble with urination, cysts, fistula, the need for further surgeries, complications in childbirth and increased risk of infant mortality.

As someone who values gender equality, it is impossible to imagine the pain and the horror that women and girls subjected to this brutal practice experience. But that immediate pain is replaced with a lifetime of both physical and often psychological suffering. It is impossible to comprehend the lifetime of suffering these girls and women experience and the trauma they go through.

Consider the case of Faduma, who was subjected to FGM at the age of 6. She told SBS in an interview:

‘You bleed, you just cry, you can’t defend yourself…imagine having an operation live without anything. Somebody is cutting your body and you are just lying there hopeless.’

World Health Organisation estimates that 140 million girls and women worldwide are living with the consequences of FGM, and a UN Women report confirms that:

‘a growing number of women and girls among immigrant communities have been subjected to or are at risk of female genital mutilation in Australia and New Zealand, as well as in countries in Europe and North America.’

In 2010, the Royal Women’s Hospital in Melbourne reported it was seeing between 600 and 700 cases of women each year who were victims of FGM – and keep in mind this is only the women who both needed and sought medical attention.

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It is fair to say that Western society, and in particular Western women, have been too reluctant to point out and too slow to condemn the plight of women outside the West for fear that any censure of anti-female practices would be seen as culturally insensitive.

It is a regrettable fact that harmful traditional practices have been committed against women in certain communities and societies for so long now that they are considered part of accepted cultural practice. In other words, excuses are made under the guise of traditional cultural practices for allowing women to be subjected to crude and unrestrained primitive practices that should not be tolerated anywhere under any circumstances.

In Australia, all types of FGM are illegal, banned by specific legislation in every jurisdiction. The legislation takes precedence over common law, which means that even if a woman over the age of 18 consents to undergoing FGM, any doctor who administers it would be committing an offence. For legislative purposes, FGM is also illegal under child protection legislation, which means that mandatory reporting on the issue where suspected by a teacher or other professional must occur.

And the National Education Program on Female Genital Mutilation, introduced in 1995, aims to prevent FGM through community education and awareness, as well as assistance to women who have already been subjected to the practice.

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Michelle Bachelet

As the Executive Director of UN Women, Ms Michelle Bachelet, pointed out at a Parliamentary Breakfast in Canberra this week, FGM is carried out for cultural reasons, not religious ones. Many parents believe without FGM their daughters will not be able to marry. Others believe that uncircumcised girls will have overactive sex drives, or that female genitalia are and dirty and FGM is it is a type of ‘cleaning’ or ‘cleansing’. It has also been reported that there is a belief in parts of Burkina Faso and Nigeria that if a baby touches the clitoris during childbirth, it will die.

When migrants come to Australia, they bring with them a system of beliefs, and for those who come with the belief that practicing what amounts to the torture and disabling of young women is okay, it is incumbent on us to help families to overcome the belief that it is necessary or acceptable. We cannot tiptoe around this issue on the pretence that cultural relativity must prevail. In this case, the health of young women is at risk for no good reason whatsoever.

And outside Australia, it is my belief that lifting women from poverty through education and empowerment is the only way to make progress in this area, and many others. There is plenty of data to show that aid investment in women, and especially in their education, reaps enormous benefits not just for those women but also for their families and children.

All girls deserve the right to be free from torture and mutilation, and it is only through speaking out, raising awareness and unveiling the shame and secrecy around this process that we may begin to change the minds of those who believe it is a necessary and normal part of girlhood.

Senator Michaelia Cash is a Liberal Senator for Western Australia and the Shadow Parliamentary Secretary for Immigration and the Status of Women.

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  1. Teddy

    Throw the book at them ain’t religion great ! I couldn’t get my son circumcised in the 80′s I felt this was a form of child abuse also.

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  2. Leave them alone

    Male circumcision is just as bad. Let’s rule out any tampering with children who cannot defend themselves!

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  3. missamoo

    Alice Walker’s Possessing the secret of Joy, totally changed my life. While I am not an advocate of circumcision of any kind I do believe that there is a vast difference between removing a piece of skin and removing the pleasurable part of a human and sewing it back up so that it causes birth defects.

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  4. Megan

    Thank you, Senator Cash, for this brilliant piece. Well-written and informative. My eyes are now open to this issue, and you have my support.

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  5. bella61

    My three sons are not circumcised. My husband made this decision with my support (in the 80′s) even though he is circumcised. Two of my three sons have served in the armed forces and both of them have served oversees. Not one of them has ever had a problem with the decision we made as parents all those years ago.

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    • Kris2040

      Why would their having been circumcised have anything to do with them being in the Defence Force and where they have served?? I don’t see the connection and need to bring it up?

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  6. Jess

    A lot of people are arguing over circumcisions. Since I am a girl and not a mother yet I don’t practically understand much about the penis except in the bedroom so I won’t pretend to know anything, but I do have a story to share.

    My brother was not circumcised, and he applied to join the army. It was advised to him that he may choose to get a circumcision for the clean factor, when it came to spending long periods out bush without being able to shower.

    As I said I don’t know how true that is, but from what I know wasn’t the clean factor the reason for them previously?

    I know they are outdated now and I don’t practically care either way, so I am leaving that decision up to my husband if we do have a boy.

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  7. Clare

    FGM is truly an horrific practice, abhorrent in every way – however all coverage of this story has merely said that the practice is part of ‘tradition’ – can someone tell me what the practice signifies, why it is carried out? Is it purely to desexualise women?

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  8. TheMamaCat

    MM: Just wondering what happened to all the comments that were attached to this article before it was updated – they’ve disappeared. Will you be restoring them?

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    • jamilarizvi

      Hi there TheMamaCat

      We’ve just republished the post – so the original version that was written following a WA court case, is still available on the site and all of the comments are there.

      Jamila

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      • TheMamaCat

        Thanks for your reply & for clarifying that, Jamila. Much appreciated!

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  9. Nerida

    Waris Dirie wrote a wonderful book called Desert Flower. Waris was born a Somalian nomad and became a supermodel. She was subjected to genital mutilation and is now a UN Ambassador. Desert Flower is her life story. I highly recommend it.

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  10. Carol

    I think its disgusting who does this man think he is and what is wrong with the parents of these children. They should be removed from these parents at once.

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  11. raina

    I think these children deserve all of the protections that that are available to any of their fellow Australian citizens, which their guardians have not rightly pursued in their interests, regardless of practices tolerated or endorsed in other places. No argument for ‘culture’ can be championed in place of, or to excuse, the absence of these girls rights to be in possession of their own complete organs

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  12. raina

    Good article.

    I think these children deserve all of the protections that that are available to any of their fellow Australian citizens, which their guardians have not rightly pursued in their interests, regardless of practices tolerated or endorsed in other places. No argument for ‘culture’ can be championed in place of, or to excuse, the absence of these girls rights to be in possession of their own complete organs

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  13. Alice

    Fantastic article. Important, well written and interesting. Great work Cash and MM.

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  14. Vaginatarian

    When and how did this commence? At what time in history?
    Whilst I am totally against male circumcision, I do understand that in times where hygiene was less than today circumcision may have had a place. (Certainly not in the western society of 2012).
    But doing this to your daughter…. It is totally unthinkable.
    V

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    • Calamity Jane

      It can be traced back as far as Ancient Egypt.

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    • Latisha

      “Certainly not in the western society of 2012″ mmmmmmmm..of course, they do wash their hands every time they use the bathroom…

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  15. Anonymous

    My sons were circumcised at three days old. A small plastic ring was placed, by a doctor, in a hospital, and they breastfed and went to sleep. It hasn’t been mentioned by them in 25 years. They have never felt pain, they urinate perfectly well and their sexual function is normal. The added benefit may be that they do not infect women with the HPV and shorten her life with cervical or throat cancer.

    Is that the same as having my 8 year old daughter held down while an untrained stranger slices her clitoris out and stitches her closed so that no man can have her before her husband reopened her, so that she can hardly urinate, never experience sexual pleasure and be left with infection, bleeding and lifelong problems?

    Seriously?

    Senator Cash, a standing ovation. I want each and every case prosecuted and I want this stamped out. Well done.

    Mamamia, I beg you to keep the pressure up. We might not be able to save every girl in the world but we can save our own.

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    • Anonymous

      Male Genital Mutilation is also almost always unwarranted. Times are changing. Little boys are also entitles to have their own bodies kept intact.

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    • Ginger

      How do you know your sons are going to be heterosexual?

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      • Anonymous

        Oh geez. Sorry, I should have known that was coming on this site.

        My sons are in their mid 20s. They are heterosexual so it is perfectly reasonable and not homophobic of me to say ‘women.’

        In future i’ll be sure to say ‘sexual partners.’ You do realise that if they had been homosexual their partners would more likely than not have had throats too?

        And to Anonymous – circumcision is not mutilation. It’s a personal decision made by parents. Opinion is divided and I don’t care either way.i do care about FGM.

        Your passionate stand against circumcision is your own. It’s not mine. I dare say the pendulum will swing back if we have a spike in cervical and throat cancers in the next decade or so.

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        • FHB

          I heard on the radio today that the case on topic was very comparable to circumcision and was non-clitoral with similar amounts of skin removed.

          My question to you is:

          If the exact same comparable operation takes place and the female child has an amount of skin removed akin to what a boy child would, (which appears to be the case) are you saying the female’s parents should be punished and the male’s parents are making a personal choice?

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          • Anonymous

            The girls were children, not newborn babies. They were not given anesthetist and if it wasn’t the clitoris that was removed then what the hell was done to them?

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    • michaelaarghh

      Just a question – how does having no foreskin reduce the risk of cervical or throat cancer? I’ve heard this in almost every debate about the issue but I don’t understand the link?

      Can someone point me to some studies or something?

      TIA!

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      • Anonymous

        Google scholar then make up your own mind.

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      • Alice

        I believe it’s to do with the risk of carrying infections such as HPV, which cause throat and cervical cancer (which are reduced with circumcision). MM has done a couple of article on it – search “circumcision” in their search box and see what comes up.

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  16. Kristine

    What I would really like to hear is the rationale behind these beliefs – from the point of view of the men involved and from the mothers and in this instance, from the medical staff who perform them.

    We read and hear that it is for ‘religious’ reasons – but what specifically are those reasons and what do the parties involved think about those beliefs?

    Of course it is abhorrent, that for me is an absolute opinion as it is for I suspect the majority of people out there. But, I would really like to know the many layers of what is motivating these actions.

    Maybe there are people out there in the Mamamia community who have an insiders perspective?

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    • Sienna

      Read the article properly!
      “FGM is carried out for cultural reasons, not religious ones. Many parents believe without FGM their daughters will not be able to marry. Others believe that uncircumcised girls will have overactive sex drives, or that female genitalia are and dirty and FGM is it is a type of ‘cleaning’ or ‘cleansing’. It has also been reported that there is a belief in parts of Burkina Faso and Nigeria that if a baby touches the clitoris during childbirth, it will die.”

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      • Anonymous

        Believing something fictitious,and harmful, does not give complete harness to do what you please. This country has laws which govern practices for the benefit of it’s citizens. All children should enjoy these privileges and benefits. Children should feel free to own their own body parts.

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      • raina

        Regardless of fallacious beliefs, these children are entitled to the same protection as any other child in Australia to own it’s own intact organs.

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      • Anonymous

        Any ‘cultural’ excuse given to disfigure a child is false on ethical grounds regardless of how many times it has been done in the past or how many people think it should be done for cosmetic or religious reasons. Human children do not require docking and the practice of docking animals is mostly illegal and mostly fraught with difficulty if it is tolerated at all.

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      • Sienna

        This is not my opinion but a quote from the article. Personally I think all the reasons justifying FGM are totally fu*ked!

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      • Kristine

        Sienna, thank you for the insight. What I was trying to get across was, as people outside of their faith, culture etc… I would like to hear from the people who condone this : I want to hear them tell us what exactly they believe.
        I can only imagine they would say that women are inferior, that they should not have sexual pleasure, that they feel FGM will control women and girls, that it’s about power etc… I feel like we can only surmise what they think – I want the truth, not speculation.
        In the area I live in, there are many middle eastern business owners (ezi marts and the like). It’s a beachside suburb and like all beachside suburbs you will find women walking around everywhere without many clothes on. When I buy something from these stores, despite every effort to be nice, I am always met with a pretty icy reception. This makes me think there is a real clash of cultures and I wonder what is going through their minds.
        I would like some straight answers. I’d like a debate.

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    • lucy

      You should read Waris Dirie’s book Desert Flower, she wrote this autobiography of her growing up in Africa and having this procedure before she escaped and became a top model.
      I think they made a movie out of it as well but the book goes deeply into FGM as she is now an ambassador to stop it.

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  17. katie

    It seems a bit hypocritical to be sickened by FGM while supporting MGM.

    No, there may not be the same risks, but regardless of gender, I would not want someone mutilating me

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    • Sienna

      There is no comparison between them! Unless MGM means cutting off the penis & testicles!

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      • Anonymous

        Does FGM mean pulling out the vagina and uterus does it?

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        • Kris2040

          No, but it does mean that the vagina gets sewed up and the clitoris removed. Not medically.

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    • mumofthree

      Why do people insist on trying to conflate these two issues when there is no comparison. Please do 5 minutes of research about both before commenting.

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      • Anonymous

        do some research you say. Well, as someone that had a medical adult circum, I think I am infinately more qualified to make a comment on the imacts than you, with respect. And I can assure you it is not a trivial issue at all.

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        • Faybian

          and the reason you had that would probably be because you needed it, unlike FGM which is not needed, with a notable, rare exception of labioplasty, which shortens labia minora that are excessively long, causing problems.

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          • Anonymous

            are you saying all infant boys having the proceedure need it as well? Hardly. I acknowledge I needed to have it done, but in doing so, I realise the pain and negatives associated, and therefore implore that it isnt done to infant boys when it isnt neccesary.

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            • Faybian

              Of course I’m not.
              I didn’t have my son circumcised and I wouldn’t now if I had the chance again. I’ve also looked after men that have had circumcisions as adults. I have never, however, seen a woman need to have circumcision as an adult. I’ve seen other”issues” with women’s genitals, but not that. That’s where I’m coming from I guess.

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      • Anonymous

        There is almost no reason to deprive a male of it’s complete body parts. Some religious organisations may endorse this but that is almost wholly without medical reasoning. Why would God provide a foreskin and then demand some ridiculous ceremony to cut it off… I mean the whole thing seems completely irrational. If you wnat to trim the skin off your son’s penis, do it because you ant to not because of some lame excuse. And then own it.

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        • K

          My boyfriend needed one as his penis outgrew his foreskin at age 13, otherwise he would’ve been in a lot of pain for the rest of his life. I would say there is CERTAINLY a reason for circumcision in some cases.

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          • missamoo

            I was dating a man once and one night we didn’t put a condom on first and his foreskin split open. There was blood every where and he was not a happy camper. I often wondered if he would have been better off with out his foreskin. But I would not be choosing this for my baby

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        • JAcky

          This argument is redundant! ‘why did God provide an appendix’ then? Research is as yet unable to find its purpose! And in many cases it resides in your body (having no purpose) until one day it can cause life threatening illness!
          Unlike the foreskin which can harbour diseases and increase the risk of HPV which can lead to cancer, as documented many times by peer reviewed scientific articles and research!

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          • Anonymous

            Not sure about redundancy as many male circumcisions are apparently driven by religious beliefs, one such incident, that led to the recent ruling in Germany which found that circumcision amounted to bodily harm when performed on children who were not able to legally consent. This is a link to some bible quotes and interpretation, which I cannot vouch for http://www.biblegems.com/GENESIS17V9.HTM.
            I understand that the appendix is a vestigial organ that secretes some hormones and the purpose is not clear. More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermiform_appendix. I don’t know whether there are any religious or cultural practices which refer to the removal of the appendix.
            For medical info, http://www.circinfo.org/health.html

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    • SM

      This is why make circumcision is on the road to being banned too. My mother is a midwife and it is no longer performed in hospitals unless it is for a medical reason, it is now referred to as MGM! A friend of mine had her son circumcised and to do so she had to see a private doctor… They will also only perform a male circumcision for boys under the age of 4 weeks! The myth is that circumcision is “cleaner”" which has been proven to be a fallacy! When my friends son was 3 months old he had to have surgery for a cyst caused by infection… Each to there own but not something I could do to my child… If he decides to do it when he is an adult then he can make an informed decision.

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    • raina

      There is (almost) no reason to deprive a human child of it’s complete body. Whatever reason you can think up, unless there is a medical need, the child is entitled to retain all of it’s whole and complete body parts.

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    • alyssakt

      I don’t support MGM – nor do I think Mamamia does?

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    I feel sick

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  19. pennypacker

    Everyone involved should face the full force of the law. This horrendous mutilation of little girls needs to be stopped in its tracks in this country. If an Australian citizen travels overseas to have this done to their daughter, they should be charged upon entering Australia again. I’ve said it before, but I really don’t understand how a human being, let alone a mother, could stand by and watch their little girl scream in agony. This is torture of a defencless child.

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    • Anonymous

      I think FGM is worse than child sexual abuse & rape!

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      • Jennafer

        How can u say any of those are worse then the other?? ANY form of child abuse , torture or cruelty is not okay and as adults it is our job to protect all children until the day comes when they are the ones that are the adults protecting their children.

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        • pennypacker

          Thankyou Jennafer, I was left gobsmacked and furious after reading anonymous’ comment? As a survivor of horrendous child abuse from the ages of 4 to 9, I wasn’t quite sure how to respond , without getting my comment deleted.

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          • Anonymous

            You have misunderstood the comment! Child sexual abuse is evil & wicked & FGM is even more wicked & evil & cruel!

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            • Ros

              What makes it MORE evil, wicked or cruel? The two are not comparable. BOTH are evil, wicked and cruel

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  20. Jennafer

    This just infuriates me. How dare this so called Sheik allow this to happen. It is truly against all morals, all values , all beliefs and all religions to harm children. Any religion who claims it is for religious reasons needs to re- evaluate their beliefs because who ways to cause pain and cruelty to a child??

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    • Kris2040

      It’s not a religious practice, it’s a cultural one.

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    • Mum of two cheeky monkeys

      I don’t think its religious since the vast majority of Muslims don’t practice FGM. What disturbs me most is the fact that sheiks have this belief so ingrained into women of their culture that the victims themselves go on to perform the act on young girls. Such is the control they exercise over women and girls, that these same women perpetuate the torture. It seems, in my uneducated opinion, like a form of battered women’s syndrome, that these mothers would participate in such an act. (uneducated because I am not a psychologist – just trying to draw a parallel so please don’t jump down my throat.)

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      • Kris2040

        I think it’s probably more just what they know rather than having it come down as an edict from Imams or sheiks or whoever. It happened to them and their mums, so they do it to their daughters because it’s just what you do. If you don’t know any different, why would you do any different? Same as arranged marriages – as far as they’ve seen, it’s just what happens and everyone does it, so why would you do any different?

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        • Mum of two cheeky monkeys

          Kris2040 you may be right. My intent wasn’t to judge the cultural aspect of it, or the women who have themselves been victims. It just seems so …insidious? That these women don’t protect young girls from the painful acts they were exposed to. Perhaps I am too cynical!

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          • Kris2040

            There are other rites of passage that are painful too – I guess this is their version? I’m thinking stuff like piercing ears, tattooing, branding, that thing where cuts are made to have scarification, those ear things, the lip plate things, the neck ring things… There are a lot of painful cultural practices, I guess this is considered the same? Everyone goes through it so everyone goes through it, you know?

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  21. Nadia Sare

    These people think that we are the stupid ones and that they are the superior race!

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    • Tassi

      This is not an Islamic practice, so don’t associate it with Islam. I am a practicing muslim woman and neither myself not my relatives or family friends have ever had FGM. This is a cultural practice- and because ‘religious’ people are doing it, the media is making everyone believe this is a religious practice. and FYI, i have many anglo friends as well as friends from all sorts of culture and do not look down upon anyone- if you know people who do that, it’s not because they’re muslim, it’s their own negative personal charactersitic. You are generalising all muslims like someone might generalise all australians as being racist.

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      • Mum of two cheeky monkeys

        With respect Tassi, I think that is a bit simplified. The article very clearly states this is a cultural practice, not religious, and I haven’t read any comments that negate this. I have never heard of any non-Muslim cultures performing this act, but I know of many non-Australian racists. Obviously most Muslims would abhor the practice, as most non-Muslims would. No one is suggesting it is all Muslims that practice FGM,but clearly it is practiced exclusively, (but not commonly I imagine), within the Muslim community. The parallel to all Australians being racist, of which I assume you are one, is actually a bit racist in itself.

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        • Mum of two cheeky monkeys

          This is meant to be a reply to Tassi. Also, upon re-reading my comment the last line is ambiguous- I meant to assume you are Australian, not a racist!

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      • raina

        I don’t thin this is about being Muslim or any other religion. It is about human rights rather. The right to keep your body parts intact and not cut off for any reason that is not save your life medical reason. No person has the right, or should take the right to deprive an infant of the full possession of it’s own body. People have an intrinsic right to retain all of themselves and no one should make any argument that any God, or version of God demands that the intact person be diminished. Any person has the right to own it’s own body parts and no person has the right to diminish that right except on medical or life threatening grounds. Circumcision, male or female, denies the right of the privacy of that body and of the individual to keep it’s own body intact. Anything else is mutilation, Diabolical if in God’s name or for any other reason.

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    • safiyah

      what do you mean Nadia. FGM has no benefits so it seems like an inferior practice to me.

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  22. Bradley

    There is nothing chic about this sheik !

    I hope the book that is thrown at him is darn heavy.

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  23. Suki

    We don’t seem to hear of charges being laid over this abuse often enough. Why are more cases not prosecuted?
    If there are hundreds of mutilated women presenting at hospitals every year why are there not hundreds of cases before the courts?
    If a woman has been born in Australia and has been mutilated why is a police report not completed?
    These are genuine questions. I really don’t get it.

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    • Em

      I wonder if there is fear that the women won’t seek medical help when it is needed, if they are worried they will get caught for “dobbing”. Maybe the medical treatment has to take priority. It must be really hard for the medical staff treating these women :(

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    • Carisma

      I believe medical personal only have to report cases to the police if the person is a minor, otherwise it is up for the adult patient if they wish to press charges. As they have been made to believe by their parents from a young age that this is OK many don’t.

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  24. mumofthree

    Western feminists have been crying out about this foul practice for decades. Changing cultural practices amongst disenfranchised and uneducated populations is very difficult, and painfully slow.

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  25. Anonymous

    Yet MGM is promoted at the same time, including on this site.

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    • Emma

      When MGM can routinely cause infertility, loss of all sexual feeling, infection and death, it will be ok to compare the two.

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      • Anonymous

        Its not a competition, both are wrong from where I stand, and MGM most certainly reduced sexual pleasure and can lead to other complications.

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        • mumofthree

          To conflate these two issues is patently ridiculous. Do some research into both and you will see how incomparable they are.

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          • Sienna

            I’ve just learnt & researched a new word “conflate”! Don’t think I would ever use it in a conversation though!

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          • Anonymous

            as I said above, as someone that has suffered an adult medical circum, I think I am quite a deal more qualified to talk on the impacts for men, with respect, and it is no trivial issue with long lasting negative impacts on sexual pleasure, jsut as the female procedure has.

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            • Faybian

              You know what, when your penis also gets sewn onto your scrotum, for your wife to free up on your wedding night and you’ve suffered incontinence as a result of this procedure then you’ve approximated the experience of infibulation. Until then, please don’t compare them.
              Even grade I FGM often involves cutting off the tip of the clitoris, which would be the equivalent of cutting off the head of the penis. It’s still more severe than adult male circumcision.

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            • Sienna

              At least you still feel some pleasure! All these women feel is excruciating pain!

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            • B

              Anonymous – Adult medical circumcision is a much more invasive procedure than doing it when they are babies.
              With a history of problems with the foreskin in both my husband’s family and with my brother, we chose to do it when the boys were little for the exact reason that you are going through now. Adult circumcision is known to be a very, very painful and uncomfortable procedure.
              I hope you recover quickly, and please know that circumcision for babies is not like what you are going through now thus why some doctors argue that routine circumcision of babies should still be undertaken.

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          • FHB

            Mumofthree, I’ve done the research, hours and hours of searching on the subject.

            1. The willful conflation of labial removal with clitoral removal is possibly the worst representation of either poor understanding of the issue or a complete intention to deceive.

            2. The fact that many cultures that participate in Penile subincision, Penile superincision, Infibulation,Penectomy and many other forms of gross mutilation means we can safely compare FGM and MGM, add to that the fact that the unbelievable misguided notion that circumcision of males is aptly preventative and then the follow up “backing” of the medical fraternity, which at a closer analysis proved to be little more than a 52/48 percent split with a ruling of no action as the best course of events, and I think it’s the same old controlled discourse.

            I think you might rescind your use of “patently ridiculous”

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            • Faybian

              Yes MGM does exist, but interestingly is often done to increase sexual pleasure, not control sexual action as is the case with FGM.
              I think the fact that it’s not as widely done and the health effects are not quite as dramatic as for FGM is also relevant.
              To be quite honest, I think MGM is bizarre and wrong too, but in the case of anonymous above, we’re talking about circumcision of the foreskin, not penectomy etc.
              The fact that you’d spend hours researching it baffles me, but if you’re that enthusiastic, maybe you could start some sort of movement to help stop it.

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            • FHB

              Further to my point though, was the blatant notion that FGM is always clitoral removal, when in fact many of the procedures are exactly comparable in the amount of skin removed in MGM and the so called health benefits and long term risks.

              How often is the subject of circumcision to increase pleasure when it desensitizes the nerve endings? Genuinely interesting in the stats on that.

              You’re right about us talking about circumcision, but as usual truly horrific things like penectomy that don’t affect females or are in other countries don’t raise the level of ire in feminist discourse.

              I guess for this one we’ll have to agree to..agree for the most part ;)

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            • Alice

              Where were you getting your stats from? In Sudan 98% of females have FGM practiced on them and of that group 96% are infibulated. The stats are similar through out a lot of countries. So I don’t think citing infibulation as a commonly practised form of FGM is in any way incorrect or misleading!!

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            • Faybian

              FHB. I agree clitoral removal is not always what is done. Sometimes it is the hood, or the clitoris is “scarred”. In those instances I guess I could compare it to male circumcision, which I didn’t get done on my son and wouldn’t do for my daughters.
              Subincision and penectomy are both different and I have to say disturbing and I saw some not very pleasant pictures.

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    • Mum of two cheeky monkeys

      I didn’t circumcise my son, because the medical evidence wasn’t compelling enough to warrant us putting him through a painful procedure. BUT the is evidence, and to some people it is compelling. It is nowhere near as dangerous. Those are facts. The complication rate is about 5%. I’m not arguing for circumcision at all, but the parents that do choose to circumcise do so because they honestly perceive it to be best for their kids. FGM is practiced purely to control the future sexuality of young girls. It is about men controlling women by taking away part of their body, and their ability to enjoy sex. And I’ve never seem MM promoting circumcision. In fact, I find they rarely promote anything, except maybe Kmart. The articles here seem to be directed at encouraging informed discussion.

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  26. Yeah!

    Why are human beings so cruel and stupid?

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  27. AG

    This is a horrendous story and violation of human rights. Mamamia I must ask that the images you link to the stories are relevant. The images of crying children are disturbing when linked to the content of such a story. I would prefer no images than images insinuating links to th text.

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  28. beansbeansthemagicalfruit

    Yes!!! The more people that are charged with this, the more that will realise this is not acceptable in Australia at all. While I don’t believe this should be taking place anywhere at least if we can prevent this horrific practice from happening here it’s at least a small step at trying to protect other girls from having to endure something so terrible. May we soon see the day when FGM is eradicated entirely.

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  29. safiyah

    It is a horrible practice. I can’t believe that anyone in this country could justify FGM. There is nO medical or religous justification to support this. It is a cultural practice dating centuries that needs to be removed from all societies. As a Muslim, I can’t understand why a religous leader would perform something against his religion and also break the law. Disgusting.

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    • Kris2040

      Isn’t there something in the Quran about a husband having to honour his wife by pleasing her sexually, so this would go directly against that? Among the other things it goes against…

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      • safiyah

        Yes, as a womans’ right her husband must satisfy her and if he can not he must try again. Having no clitoris would make that almost impossible. The clitoris is about as sensitive as the head of the penis, so it would be like cutting of the head of the penis.

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