What do you assume people are: atheist or religious?
Catherine Deveny tweeted earlier today: “When you meet people do you assume they’re atheist until they say otherwise or do you assume everyone is religious?” She’d been reading an article on Slate which asked why atheists in the United States were still forced into hiding. “America is the well-known exception to the rule that the wealthier and better-educated a country is, the less religious its population. As a Pew Research Center report put it, when it comes to religiosity, “the US is closer to considerably less developed nations, such as India, Brazil and Lebanon than to other western nations.” But what is less discussed is what this means for the minority who are not just apathetic about their faith, but have actively rejected it … As leading American public atheist Sam Harris sums it up, being a member of the godless club is “basically the worst thing you can be in terms of having a political life, incurring the judgment of strangers”. A Gallup poll last year showed that, while 9 per cent of Americans would not vote for a Jewish presidential candidate, 22 per cent wouldn’t support a Mormon and 32 per cent would not vote for a gay or lesbian candidate, 49 per cent would refuse to back an atheist for president.” Food for thought. What do you think?
National Broadband Network announces $620m satellite deal
Two satellites will launch in 2015 and become the space relay base, so residents in Australia’s remote regions will have access to broadband speed Internet. The deal was inked with Space Systems – Loral. The Australian reported: The joint-venture would also supply associated telemetry, tracking and command systems for NBN Co’s Long Term Satellite Service. In total the NBN Co said its long term satellite investment would reach $2 billion. The satellites will give NBN Co the capability to offer wholesale broadband download speeds of up to 12Mbps and up link speeds of 1 Mbps in outback and remote areas.
In a statement released today, NBN Co chief executive Mike Quigley said: “It will be possible for retail service providers to offer services to homes and businesses in the satellite footprint that are as good or better than the services many city people currently experience.”
California court says gay marriage ban ‘unconstitutional’
California’s 9th circuit court has overturned a ban on same sex marriages which was introduced in 2008 under a ‘Proposition 8′ referendum. 52 per cent voted to amend the law to make marriage legal only between a man and a woman. The three Ninth Circuit judges unanimously affirmed Walker’s ruling overnight. “Although the Constitution permits communities to enact most laws they believe to be desirable, it requires that there be at least a legitimate reason for the passage of a law that treats different classes of people differently. There was no such reason that Proposition 8 could have been enacted. Proposition 8 serves no other purpose, and has no effect, other than to lessen the status and human dignity of gays and lesbians in California, and to officially reclassify their relationships and families as inferior to those of opposite couples.” Ouch. That’s good news for same-sex advocates but the US Supreme Court can still appeal and the Ninth Circuit has a history of being one of the most over-turned courts in the country. It was ruled the ban violated the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution, which provides for equal protection and procedural fairness to all. Couples have rushed to be married before any appeals can be started.
Would you go see ‘the Rape Play’?
Promoters of a new play which opens in Sydney tonight say it is art, even if it’s a little shocking. The Rape Play is the first production from the Workhorse Company and includes jelly wrestling by scantily clad actresses, bondage, rape and killing scenes and an extreme sexual assault featuring the use of a grenade. Co-founder and performer Troy Harrison said the show was chosen deliberately. “Yes, we were looking at another play but we wanted to start with much more of a bang, this being our first production, so we did choose this play because it is very confronting,” he said. The story follows a pair of ex-stripper sisters who go on a killing spree across America, taking pro-life activists as their victims. It is said to be inspired by the manner in which, in an online world, increasingly extreme images are used for entertainment value. So, what say you? Art or a bit on distasteful side?
Cue jokes about weight loss. After just two weeks on air and as much time spent speculating about its future, Channel Nine last night announced it was ‘moving’ the weight loss show to it’s digital channel Go! The show had gone head-to-head with that other weight loss show, Biggest Loser but had consistently lost the ratings battle. The show debuted at 880,000 viewers but never reached that peak again, slipping to 550,000 before rallying a little to 610,000 this week. The show featured well known contestants like Britney Spears’ ex Kevin Federline who partnered with everyday Aussies to lose weight, but took a slightly different approach to its rival measuring other health indicators apart from weight on its own.
Teenager wins damages for sexual harassment
Laura Connors was just 15 when the harassment started in a small work kitchen in Tasmania. Her boss, David Richardson, was found by the Anti-Discrimination Tribunal in the same state to have sexually harassed the teenager while brushing past her, pinching her on the bottom. She alleged he also asked her to take her top off and would undo her apron strings. Now 19, Laura said it took a while to speak up because she didn’t know that she could. “I knew as soon as he came up to me that time and said: ‘Don’t tell anyone what I’ve done’,” she said. “I thought that was strange. But he was my boss, I thought I had to respect him and I couldn’t say: ‘Hey, you can’t touch me’. I thought I couldn’t say anything.” Ms Connors resigned after months of the behaviour and attending counselling for diagnosed post-traumatic stress disorder and anxiety. She was awarded $12,000. “It was just seeing that the people in the court understood my pain and they believed me, it was so amazing they believed me,” she said. It’s not the money, not winning, it was that they knew he was wrong.”
Tony Abbott warns his MPs against ‘ill-discipline’
The leader of the Opposition says the only thing that can save Julia Gillard’s Government is an own-goal from the Coalition ranks. He warned them to stop squabbling internally – like they have done over the Coalition’s Murray-Darling policy – because they ‘can’t fix those things in Opposition so shouldn’t worry about them’. But that hasn’t stopped a few bumps along the way. As Parliament resumed yesterday, shadow immigration spokesman Scott Morrison was forced to defend the use of an international catering and logistics company – Eurest Support Services (ESS) – which had been barred from UN contracts for accepting bribery. It’s figure of $95 million to get the asylum detention centre on Nauru up and running again was a third the cost of the Government’s, but its parent company Compass Group said that only covered the cost of accommodation.








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OOXS0C I really enjoy the blog post.Really thank you! Keep writing.
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The Rape play: Just because you CAN doesn’t mean you SHOULD.
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In my experience, if people make an assumption about someone’s religious convictions it tends to be that they don’t have any. I certainly don’t think that atheists are forced into hiding at all. On Facebook, for example, people make anti-religious or pro-atheistic comments all the time, especially when reposting “funny” comments or videos, or even just in passing comments. But if I mention God or faith I have to be ready to deal with the criticism that often follows, so I tend not to. The same happens in normal conversation. For some reason some people assume that if you mention God you are trying to shove your beliefs down their throat. No, actually, I’m just trying to share something that is relevant to me.
But I suppose everyone’s perspective will be different, and it will depend on when they have felt ostracised or have been criticised for their honesty or through comments that weren’t aimed at them but were unknowingly about them. I’ve lost count of how many anti-Christian comments I have let slide because the speaker assumed I wasn’t one.
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I believe the situation is quite different in the US.
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Why would anyone make an assumption either way about what religion/not anyone is, unless there’d been some indication. When I meet people, or even talk with people I know quite well, I might have no idea what their beliefs are and wouldn’t jump to any conclusions. Seems completely bizarre that people would.
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I have no idea WillaWay but people do – and that’s coming from all different perspectives. Maybe it has something to do with thinking that others share your worldview? Although sometimes I think it just comes out of insensitivity and not caring how their comments will affect the receiver. I’ve certainly met some people like that (my brother can be like that) but thankfully they are in the minority
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I thought for sure that if Excess Baggage had trouble in its timeslot (competing with BL), they would move it to before or after – thereby possibly getting the viewers of BL to watch it as well. Idiots.
That is interesting about religion – I would assume someone was not religious unless they mentioned otherwise.
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That was exactly what I thought, too, PG. Why not use TBL’s success and numbers and piggyback off it?
I assume no religion until otherwise told too. Maybe cause I’m a godless heathen? Dunno.
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The post and comments seem to only be questioning whether art can be violent/distasteful/ugly or not.
My issue with this is whether it’s art or just seedy low-brow entertainment… “includes jelly wrestling by scantily clad actresses, bondage, rape and killing scenes and an extreme sexual assault featuring the use of a grenade”
“Art”………Right…..
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“My issue with this is whether it’s art or just seedy low-brow entertainment… “includes jelly wrestling by scantily clad actresses, bondage, rape and killing scenes and an extreme sexual assault featuring the use of a grenade””
I guess then my issue is the fact that the journalist who wrote the original article in the Telegraph has NOT actually read or seen the play himself. He has merely taken the most sensational aspects of the piece and plonked them together, out of context, into an article.
Sloppy, ill informed journalism intended to make an impact. What he’s actually done is draw more attention to the play itself, increased ticket sales and therefore will
allow people to judge for themselves. Not rely on his one-sided opinion.
Well done! The theatre company in question must be grinning in their fishnets and jelly pools….
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Some people think A Clockwork Orange (and the like) is art; some people think Dumb and Dumber (and the like) is art… I fall into the latter. I will not be seeing the ‘rape play’.
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There is more to A Clockwork Orange than that. There is also a very big penis statue.
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I find it quite disturbing. Whether it’s art or not, it’s not something I would pay (or want) to see.
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I wouldn’t go and see that play, but I wouldn’t see a movie with that kind of violence in it either. But life isn’t all beautiful, so why do we expect art to be?
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I always say that art should be beautiful or interesting (or both). If it’s not, why would I want to see it?
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To make you think.
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I’m glad I read the comments below before commenting myself this morning.
I too found the picture confronting and was going to comment on how pain and suffering does not = art to me. Art I would have classed as something of beauty and pleasure.
But after reading comments below I have to agree that I have indead seen movies and read books that portray a hell of a lot more than that photo above suggests.
I think for me I find a live play so much more confronting than a movie. I can pause or fast forward when watching at home and the scene is not being played out with real(time) bodies and raw emotion in front of my eyes . thats just me and maybe I need to get over it, but I have always been like this. I don’t watch reality tv because I cant handle watching real emotion being played out on screen. I understand an actor is an actor whether behind a camera or on a stage. I am just saying that I personally would find it confronting. But now I am also curious.
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I find that picture really disturbing…
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It’s OK…they’re actors…it’s only pretend…
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Yes i agree, they are actors and they are getting paid to do this. But, it could still be a very confronting picture if you are a victim of any form of sexual or physical violence.
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Jelly wrestling? Really? OK, I stand corrected…
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sorry, maybe I did not look closely enough. I thought this was supposed to be a picture of a scene from the rape play. I have never witnessed jelly wrestling before so did not notice what the red stuff was. I saw what looked like pain on someones face and red stuff.
pain and physical control over another is confronting. jelly, not so much.
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I believe it is a scene from the play….I would imagine there are much more confronting images in the rest of the play…
FYI…I have never attended a jelly-wrestling event myself, but may have watched the video for Duran Duran’s “Girls On Film” probably too many times for my own good…
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I didn’t realise it was jelly either. I saw the headline and saw the photo and thought it was blood! I have only clicked on the link to Watercooler since that picture has been removed.
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Agreed. It was hugely confronting early in the morning and it’s still awful now.
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I should now clarify that the disturbing picture I am referring to is the one that was posted earlier about the rape play…
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Seen “girl with the dragon tattoo”. Rape and torture in there too. Why is it any different if it’s on the stage instead of big screen?
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Good on you Laura, the same thing happened to me at the same age!!
There is plenty of rape and graphic violence in the Ancient Greek plays and in Shakespeare but when these plays are staged, the violence is inferred not really demonstrated, blow by blow. Whether the play makes us think about the issues of extreme images being used for entertainment value or just titillates and disgusts remains to be seen.
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I have to learn to type faster. JohnJames and I were putting forth the same idea at the same time!
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I will grant you that extreme images simply used to titillate is not the same as extreme images used to confront an audience and make them think…
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” but when these plays are staged, the violence is inferred not really demonstrated, blow by blow.”
You obviously haven’t been to some of the Shakesperian performances that I’ve seen…they can be very full-on and confronting in their depiction of violence nowadays…I mean the STC’s production of the War of the Roses from a few year’s back literally had buckets of blood….
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Re The Rape Play
Why can’t art be distasteful? Why do you expect there to be a choice? Distasteful art is still art.
I mean, has anyone seen Shakespeare’s Titus Andronicus?
In that, the character Lavinia is dragged deep into the forest before being violently raped. To keep her from revealing what has happened, they cut out her tongue and cut off her hands. That’s pretty distasteful too…but because it’s by Shakespeare, we call it art….
You can’t have one rule for Shakespeare and another rule for a modern play…
Would I go see it? No. I don’t like being confronted with images of violence and rape…but I’m not going to then say it shouldn’t be performed…
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Katharina pretty much gets raped in The Taming Of The Shrew, too. It’s part of Petruchio’s “taming” her.
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This caught my eye in the paper this morning:
A federal judge for the first time in US history heard arguments in a case that could determine whether animals enjoy the same constitutional protection against slavery as human beings.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/environment/animals/were-talking-about-hell-unleashed-whales-sue-sea-world-20120208-1r8p9.html#ixzz1ljV4imXR
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I’m guessing dismissed with much mocking laughter as soon as the lawyers finish talking. I would have said “today” but lawyers… sigh…
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My cats are slaves…
I keep them in incarceration and only let them outside when I feel like it…
I feed them when I want to feed them…not when they want to eat…
…but, then again…
I clean up their poos and wees…
I find them food…
I let them snuggle up to me and give them cuddles…
Hang on…who’s the slave again?
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Didn’t you know?…Cat owners are the slaves!
Have you ever read ‘Dog Diary vs Cat Diary’? Very funny. http://www.goodeatsfanpage.com/humor/otherhumor/dog_cat_diary.htm
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I thought this article was interesting today:
A federal judge for the first time in US history heard arguments in a case that could determine whether animals enjoy the same constitutional protection against slavery as human beings…
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/environment/animals/were-talking-about-hell-unleashed-whales-sue-sea-world-20120208-1r8p9.html#ixzz1ljV4imXR
http://www.theage.com.au/environment/animals/were-talking-about-hell-unleashed-whales-sue-sea-world-20120208-1r8p9.html
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In other news, former women’s tennis great Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario says her parents have drained her of her $55 million wealth and left her struggling to pay off her debts.
If this is true, how awful for Arantxa….she was such a gutsy player…this is so unfair!
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/tennis/my-parents-took-55-million-off-me-says-former-tennis-star-arantxa-sanchezvicario-20120208-1r92e.html
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That’s horrible. You really can’t trust your relatives when it comes to matters of money.
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Totally depends on your family!
I would trust my family – and partner’s family – implicitly when it comes to handling any of my money or possessions.
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Oh man, that sucks. She was a great player!
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That’s who that photo was of! I saw it and didn’t get around to reading article. I thought she looked a bit familiar.
I agree, what a gutsy and terrific player. What horrid parents.
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You hear this story quite often with child actors as well. I think kids who perform as actors or professional sports people should have a non family member overseeing their finances and helping with their careers. I remember Chris Evert saying, years ago, that it is never good when the father is also the coach.
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But it is so often tennis where you really see the “pushy” parent (or uncle in Rafa Nadel’s case) come to the fore. I worry for some of the younger players and the burn out rate of the ones that don’t make it by 18 must be incredible!
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My brother’s nickname at the kids’ sport is Damir.
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Re Channel 9 axes Excess Baggage
OK…what I never understand with show like this is…we all knew it was going to be terrible…we all knew it was going to be axed…why didn’t Ch9 realise this…why do they pay their producers and program directors so much when they obviously have no idea what they are doing? It was so obvious it was going to be a train wreck…
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So they fulfill the Aussie content quotas?
I don’t mind what I’ve seen of it, but if it was less complicated it would be better. People who are likely to be interested in it are going to be fans of Biggest Loser already, so why would you put it up against what it’s kind of ripping off?
I agree, it seems like when government departments do useless stuff so they keep their funding.
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I agree with the time slot issue. Personally I don’t like either show but my mum likes both so she watches one and tapes the other. Which leads to a question I’ve always pondered. Does whatever takes ratings (I clearly know nothing about this) know if you’re recording something? Because I hate the 6-9 line up and so I tape shows on at other times and that’s what I watch at night.
I think it actually could have been a successful show, had it been on after The Biggest Loser, not the same time. They’re after the same market share.
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We actually did the tv ratings about 20 years ago, and it only registered what you were watching, rather than taping, I assume the ratings only count for what is being watched at the time it shows?
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1. There’s not much jelly in that jelly pool
2. “well known contestants like Britney Spears’ ex Kevin Federline” – depends on your definition of ‘well known’, I guess!
3. Good for her, the award seems reasonable too.
4. “Can’t fix them from opposition, so don’t worry about them”? He can’t have really said that. Oppositions still need policy…
Also, did anyone see Media Watch last night on the Australia Day PM fracas? While Abbott never said that the tent embassy should be torn down, 2UE radio station said that he did early on Australia Day (probably with glee, knowing 2UE) and it was picked up by Assossiated Press and from there repeated by ABC Radio and several other media outlets as fact – that Tony has said he wanted to remove the tent embassy.
Assossiated Press admited they paraphrased and then applied the wrong meaning to Abbott’s words.
Not really a Gillard conspiracy then to actively twist Abbotts words to inspire a riot (or whatever Pyne is still claiming this morning) – the media mis-reported and created the event (again, that doesn’t excuse the behaviour of the protesters).
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Ha! Idle, you know I originally wrote ‘celebrity’ and then stopped myself because I thought ‘someone is going to take issue with me calling them celebrities’. I guess you just can’t win!
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Maybe “has-beens” except was he ‘ever’? D-Grade Celebrity?
Some days, Rick, all you can do is fill a blow-up pool with jelly, jump in and grapple life into submission!
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Hmm, ESS ran the accommodation and catering services for the defence force too. Terrible to deal with (used to deal with them a LOT doing catering). Dodgois!
Excess Baggage- I never get why networks put untried shows against established, successful shows. Why would you put a new health and weightloss reality show up against an established and popular health and weightloss reality show like The Biggest Loser?? Put it on at a different time, or wait until Biggest Loser is finished. I’ve been watching the catch-ups of Excess Baggage, and there’s a lot in it, which probably explains why people are losing interest. Biggest Loser is a lot more straightforward to follow what’s happening and what has happened. Excess Baggage just seems to add stuff to more stuff, and it doesn’t need to. I really like having Joanna McMillan on it, and the psych Dr Tim – showing all the different aspects of how people have ended up how they are, and how to go about fixing it. I’ll probably be more inclined to watch on Go, if the times are better.
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Is it me, or are the Liberal party terrible at finance? They can’t even get an accurate quote?
I love that the company said words to the effect of “We have no expertise in processing migrants – so we couldn’t supply a cost on that”
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Oddly that is what happened often with the functions we used to do for ESS too… So they just grossly overcharged. Weird set up – navy cooks doing their work for them but they would charge like wounded bulls for the functions. Even if it was, say, a function of exclusively navy people, it would still get put through ESS and charged accordingly, but to the navy. Can anyone say “unnecessary level of middle management”? They also used to run the uniform stores, and accommodation. Then the navy wonders why people in jobs like Cooking and Stores get burn out because there are bugger all positions at shore bases for people to go in to rather than doing back to back sea gigs. Idiots.
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Its just you.
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LOL. I don’t know, ever since Costello left, they haven’t really gotten much right.
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They havent had to – they are not in power. You cant possibly tell me that the Labor party has been anything other than a shambles in terms of the finances. Wasted money on wasted project time after time. Borrowings at record highs to pay for the projects. The list is too long to put here but – NBN (bilions being spent on something that few will take up), pink batts , green schemes that continue to fall over , subsidies for manufacturing that the carbon tax is designed to eliminate.
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That is the funniest thing I have heard from you ID. You seriously have blinkers on if you can point the finger at the opposition when the actual government fumbles its way from one disaster to another.
Oh, and when was the last time a labor govmt returned a surplus. Oh, thats right, they dont have to, they just ring up massive debt via a myriad of hairbrained schemes, then wait to be booted out and a lnp govmt to find ways of balancing the books.
And before you point the finger back at me, I voted labor in the last vic state election and think the current libs in vic are clowns. Biased non swingers add little of true value to the political debate.
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Did I mention the government? The news item wasn’t about the governemt! Why can’t I critique the opposition’s handling of finance in a news item about the opposition? Both you am Mark argue that the LNP can say anything and be free from assessment? That’s a blinkered as it gets.
Also, are you suggesting the LNP wouldn’t have done any of the stimulus? Turnbull agreed with all of it, bar the last few billion. If the LNP had been in power in 2008, they’d have returned a deficit too.
It’s called good economic management. I know you’ve drunk the LNP deficits are bad cool aid, but… well you have so, I can’t change your mind.
If you don’t see any irony in the exchange where the government says opening Naru would cost X, the Liberals come back and say “We’ve got a quote a third of the price, this is just another example of bad finance from Labor” and the actual company say “Um, cough, our – err – quote is just for accommodation, not guards or processing or anything – just the buildings” you’ve got no sense of humour.
But I can point it out, even if it challenges your ideological bent.
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Not sure how many people have seen this:
http://www.noh8campaign.com/article/breaking-9th-circuit-court-rules-prop-8-unconstitutional
I think that’s news worthy for today
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I was saving that for an update, but sure!
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Cool was gonna post that too.
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Oops my bad Rick I was just very excited to read it
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