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The Qu’ran

 

 

 

 

 

by JAMILA RIZVI

As Muslims around the world mark the end of Ramadan, this is the time of year when we see the very best of Islam.  A religion with peaceful goals, whose rituals and celebrations are breathtaking to behold and whose followers are overwhelmingly good and kind people.

We have just passed through the final day of Ramadan (the month of fasting from dawn until sunset), which is the Muslim holiday Eid. Eid is a day of celebration, where Muslims across the globe come together in unity, to mark the end of the month of fasting and enjoy a day of festivities.

But yet again this annual opportunity for the Islamic faith to show the very best of itself to the non-Muslim world, has been lost. And yet again we see a reinforcement of the West’s perceptions of the negative aspects of Islam; the beliefs and the actions that are perpetrated by extremists and dominate our news coverage.

As tensions rise again in Syria and we prepare to see more bloodshed, we have also seen news reports out of Pakistan that an 11-year-old Christian girl could face the death penalty for blasphemy. They are horrifying.

The Guardian reports:

An 11-year-old Christian Pakistani girl could face the death penalty under the country’s notorious blasphemy laws, after she was accused by her neighbours of deliberately burning sacred Islamic texts.

Rifta Masih was arrested on Thursday, after complaints against her prompted angry demonstrations. Asif Ali Zardari, the president, has ordered the interior ministry to investigate the case.

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A Christian neighbourhood in Islamabad.

As communal tensions continued to rise, about 900 Christians living on the outskirts of Islamabad have been ordered to leave a neighbourhood where they have lived for almost two decades.

On Sunday, houses on the backstreets of Mehrabadi, an area 20 minutes’ drive from western embassies and government ministries, were locked with padlocks, their occupants having fled to already overcrowded Christian slums in and around the capital.

One of the senior members of the dominant Muslim community told the Christians to remove all their belongings from their houses by 1 September. “I don’t think anyone will dare go back after this,” said one Christian, Arif Masih. “The area is not safe for us now.”

A few brave souls have stayed behind, but shopkeepers have refused to serve their Christian neighbours or supply them with water. Locals say only about 10% of families in the area are Christian, renting cramped houses from Muslim landlords. They tend to do dirty, menial jobs such as sewer maintenance.

As with any case, there are disputes around the exact nature of what happened. For example, did this girl burn the actual Qu’ran or simply a pocket book of Qur’anic verses remains contentious.

At present only one witness has come forward and his own testimony appears quite unclear, he cannot confirm exactly what he saw being burnt except that the paper had Arabic words written on it.

There are also claims that the girl has Down’s syndrome, which are strongly denied by the local Muslim community.

Regardless of the truth, it is clear that this girl – who is the same age I was when I was reading the Famous Five and had posters of the Backstreet Boys on my walls – faces a very uncertain future, for doing something she most likely couldn’t contemplate the gravity of.

A long prison term for her apparent ‘blasphemy’ is likely. The death sentence, while remote, is certainly a possibility.

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Muslims make the pilgrimage to Mecca

Each year, I feel overwhelmed by the beautiful photos and stories that come out of Muslim nations during the month of Ramadan. The sense of spirituality and of devotion, is somehow strengthened all the more, when you see so many people coming together in shared belief.

While that belief is not one I hold, it is an integral part of my family’s history and even laying that aside, the beauty of the rituals and the strength of peoples’ faith is something that can be admired even as an outsider.

Ramadan is a chance for the world to look to Islam as a positive force for good, instead of focusing on the evils, that far too often happen in its name.

And yet each and every year a story like this will come to the surface, a story that makes your stomach churn, a story that makes you wonder if the good name of Islam – one of our oldest faiths – will ever be recovered in the eyes of the West.

Maybe next year.

Ramadan

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  1. O's Mum

    I have to wonder whether this poor little child actually even did what she is accused of… One ‘witness’ and such conflicting accounts.
    Seems like she is a convenient scapegoat for an angry and intolerant community.
    Tragic, heartbreaking stuff.
    I have to wonder – where are all the good people in her community? The less radical and non-extremist Islamic majority that we hear about. Why they are not standing up for this child – simply because she is a child – and regardless of her religion.

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  2. safiyah

    Just a question.

    Why are we ignoring the GENOCIDE of muslims in Burma?

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    • Anonymous

      There are lots of things that MM hasn’t written articles on. If you’re concerned about it, write an article and submit it :)

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      • safiyah

        I might. I don’t think it will be shown but I will try. If you don’t try then you can’t expect to succeed.

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    • sparkie

      Have enjoyed your posts and have learned alot, Safiyah. Although Muslims have been in Australia 100 years or so ,there has been an increase in the number of Muslims in Australia only in the last generation or so.

      Many people are suspicious and sometimes frightened of what they dont know
      Unfortunately it is the reactionary views that get airspace of course and some comments have been offensive to the wider Australian population.

      I was told by an older Australian born Jew antisemitism only became evident after WW2 ie in the parts of Sydney where many Jews live

      There were Jews on First Fleet

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  3. jr

    We keep hearing all these bad things about islam because there’s nothing good about this evil backwoods religion

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    • safiyah

      I can tell you plenty of good. But I’m not the media and it won’t get shown on TV.
      1. Each year Saudi donates Millions in charity
      2. Saudi law states in order to run you business you must pay you charities.
      3. Muslims must donate a percentage of their wealth to charity.
      4. My community support both Muslims and Non-Muslims who are struggling.
      5. There are programs that aim to work with youth.
      6. Muslims have a great relationship with local MP’s and police, and other religious faiths in our community.
      7. We have donated recently to the Philippines, Somalia, Syria, and Burma much needed aid such as food, clothing and medicine.
      8. Muslims make up important parts of society. Doctors, Politicians, Academics, Teachers, Police Force…. ect.
      9. Hillary clintons Chief of Staff is a Muslim woman.
      10. Noble peace prize was awarded last year to a Muslim Woman.
      11. In the London riots Muslims and Sikhs supported each other to protect themselves and their businesses. 3 Muslims were killed.
      I have plenty more.

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  4. safiyah

    Such a dangerous bunch we are.

    Lol.

    Non-Muslims
    1. We are not taking over….. we are less than 3% the population
    2. Sharia is not taking over.
    3. We do speak out against the bad. You are just not listening
    4. We have been here for over 100 years and we helped build this nation
    5. We may appear not to assimilate but non-Muslims can make it pretty hard for us to create friendships (According to ABS)
    6. We do love this country
    7. We don’t want to kill you.
    8. We don’t care about Christmas carols but get blamed for their removal…. it was the Athiest!
    9. We have similar wants and desires, mainly to look after our families.
    10. We can not force you to convert. It is mentioned in our religion we can not do so.

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    • Darius

      What I’m going to say will be wildly unpopular and I’ll be amazed if it sees the light of day. But I think more people need to stop worrying about offending when offence is actually what is needed. The Islamic apologism present in this thread is what is truly offensive.

      ‘….a chance for the world to look to Islam as a positive force for good, instead of focusing on the evils, that far too often happen in its name.’

      Positive force for good? Jamila, it’s so not. Let’s call a spade a spade here. Islam is not a positive force for good. Neither is it a religion of peace. Anyone who reads a translation of the Quran would be hard pressed to insist that it is a religion of peace. I’ve seen some very wily Koranic scholars attempt to debate that it is and it always ends up being an argument of interpretation, or of adding up the number of passages espousing voilence versus the passages espousing peace. You can’t have it both ways. If there is violence, intolerence and barbarism *in there* then it is, by default, not a text promoting peace.

      An argument could be made for some aspects of cultural Islamic practices being benign and rather beautiful, but then this becomes cherry-picking. And it becomes something that is no longer Islam. The main problem with Islam is that no one may criticize or question it. Critical inquiry is not encouraged and in many parts of the world, tantamount to asking for a jail sentence or worse. If the Quran is the ‘word of god’, it is sacrosanct and cannot be challenged or questioned. Or interpreted. Which seems to be what millions of law-abiding moderates are happy to do. But how convenient that moderate Muslims in tolerant democracies may have the freedom to pick and choose which cultural pactices and edicts to follow. Muslims in Islamic nations are not so lucky.

      The trouble with subcribing to the beliefs and superstitions of tribal desert communities that lived more than thousand years ago is that those beliefs and practices become imcompatible with modernity. So all Muslims living today will cherry pick more (e.g. moderates) or less (e.g. the Taliban).

      For more on this, I recommend reading some Ayaan Hirsi Ali. No doubt she would have some strong words to say about the plight of this 11-year old girl in Pakistan.

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      • safiyah

        I doubt you have read the Quran. The most common theme is doing good deeds and looking after others. You can read the Holy Bible and come across violent pieces but all have a context. This is the same for the Torah.

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        • Darius

          Of all the Abrahamic religions, you’ll find that Islam’s holy scripture is particularly prominent in terms of open-ended calls to violence in the name of rightenousness and supreme infallibility. So no, I disagree that much of the violence in the Quran is context-specific. Quite the contrary.

          Having attended madrasah for the better part of my childhood and adolescence, I have read the Quran, Safiyah. And the Hadith (additionally, I was made to read the Hadith Qudsi by my very devout grandfather). I have several translations in my home. I could look up relevant verses as examples if you wish.

          I am no where near as well informed on the context-specific violence in the Old Testament (of which I know there is plenty!) and the Torah. But even if there was, the argument that one case is not as bad, relative to other comparable cases, that does not make a good argument for Islam in and of itself being a religion of peace and tolerance.

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          • safiyah

            Unfortunately Darius you didn’t benefit from Madressa because you would have learnt about the context of each revelation.

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  5. safiyah

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/mehdi-hasan/not-in-my-name-islam-pakistan-and-blasphemy-laws_b_1815522.html

    A great piece by a Muslim man who is upset by the event. I know many Muslims are upset by this but they are also upset about the genocide in Burma, the killings in Syria and the drought in Somalia. A lot on our plate.

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    • Anonymous

      Here here!!!!

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  6. Anonymous

    This makes me think of the Jews persecution by the Nazis.

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  7. Honey

    Why aren’t all the good Muslims rallying together to get this poor child released???

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  8. Hiba

    Another terrible story about injustice happening somewhere in the world. My heart goes out for the poor girl. Ironically, Prophet Muhammad sought always to help chldren, especially females. For example, one of the first things he declared illegal and sinful was the common practice of female infanticide. It sickens me, as a Muslim, to see people want to punish a child for a crime she could neither comprehend nor understand in the name of Islam.

    It also sickens me that whilst it is yet another story about injustice, unlike the stories of child sex slaves, rape, murder and genocide occurring in parts of Asia, Central Asia, Africa and Europe that we hear of every day, this particular story had to be associated and labelled as “Muslim”.

    When we stop labelling groups, and allowing them the opportunity to hide under those labels, we can actually start tackling all these stories of oppression that every good human is opposed to. This story had nothing to Islam and everything to do with INJUSTICE.

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    • Miss

      It has everything to do with Islam – she could be killed for being accused of burning it’s sacred text…

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      • Safiyah

        No it doesn’t as it’s quite un-Islamic to harm any child. Faults of Muslims should not determine how Islam is judged.

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        • Allie

          So under Islamic law she shouldn’t be harmed and will be released…right? I’m genuinely confused by your answer.

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          • safiyah

            She is a child and to be an adult you must be able to make sound judgements. She can not make sound judgements as an 11 yr old or someone with down syndrome. Therefore to harm her would be Un-Islamic. Also Islam states forgiveness is better than punishing someone.

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            • Milly

              It could be argued that it is Un-Islamic in your view. They are still looking to en-prison or even kill this girl in the name of the religion. Two words spring to mind Barbaric and Backward

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    • Anonymous

      Thanks for a great response! You captured my view so much more succinctly than I could.

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  9. Muhammad

    Stop the political nonsense and simply admit that Islam is not all about devotion to love but has become a faith of devotion to use violence as a means to deter any other belief or way of thinking. All Muslims that do not agree with what is going on are too scared to speak out about the truth, and again you cry ooh poor us we are so misunderstood we kill 11 yr old children out of love and strap bombs onto them so they can blow up innocent women and children and you say We should focus on the good of Ramadan and not the continual evil that is not being shown by the mass media in the west, I lived in Pakistan and I know full well how we teach our children to hate and kill for Islam, so stop crying poor old Islam and start speaking out the truth as their are many good Muslims who if they would stand up and speak out about the militant leaders who have taken over Islam and that every day the Islamic world prepares for war against the west, so pipe down you ignorant self righteous avatar of lies.

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    • Safiyah

      They are speaking out and being killed in places like Syria. You voice a lot of hate

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  10. Paula Rosa

    This country will be taken over one day, your Prime Minister will be Mohammad Ayed and the city will be saturated by Kebab houses. Be careful what you wish for.

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    • Anonymous

      And burqas will be sold in witchery!

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      • Kris2040

        We’ll all have to eat halal food!

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    • Anonymous

      Mmm yum, kebabs!

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    • Nyssa

      Mmm yum, kebabs!

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    • Rosie

      I can’t believe how people can think like this. Our nation’s history is based on being ‘taken over’. Such an epically bogan comment.

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      • Jane

        Real Rosie. .at the moment Xmas carols exempt from some primary scoops so
        Not to offend muselims.. What next

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    • Relax

      Idiot

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      • Jane

        Real Rosie. .at the moment Xmas carols exempt from some primary scoops
        Not to offend muselims.. What next

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        • Jen

          Why would they be offended?? Jesus is one of their most revered prophets?? In areas where there aren’t Islamic schools, many Muslims send their kids to catholic schools as they most closely reflect their religion and values… By why let the truth get in the way of what you learned from Today Tonight

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    • Kitten

      Love a good kebab! :-)

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    • safiyah

      A comment expected from a bigot.

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    • ace

      Cool, I like kebabs. Bring on the future!

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  11. Shaezy

    Above and beyond all the “good” and “bad” muslims talk, all I can think about it that 11 year old girl. Is anyone with her? The article says her parents have fled. Is she by herself? Is she scared? Is she being treated well or not? What could be happening to her right now? My heart is breaking thinking this child locked up somewhere, terrified and all alone. She is just a child for goodness sake!

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  12. Minder

    It’s time all these good and decent Muslims took a stand against this barbaric behavior.

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    • Julz

      Yes we’re always hearing about them aren’t we? Perhaps they are like the 99%. It would be reassuing if they, like this young woman, would speak up a little more often.

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      • catwoman

        Maybe all the good and decent Muslims are busy living good and decent lives?

        Look at some of the comments here for example, it has the same old stereotypical views that I, personally, am sick and tired of rebutting. And even a derogatory comment to top it all off. I honestly didn’t think we had uneducated bogans on MM, but afterall, they were let in by the boatloads a hundred or so years ago!

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        • catwoman

          By the way my comment is in reference to a bogan here on mm who said we let Muslims in by the boatloads. Comment is now deleted.

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  13. Xanthe

    I wish you had captioned and explained most of the photographs.

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  14. Anonymous

    With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil — that takes religion.

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  15. Deborah

    This is surely about the 11 year old child!
    Please please stop the crazy bickering. Even here on this site the real issues are forgotten and overtaken by semantics (yes, I know its important to some!) But for Gods sake can we just do something for the children…including this poor one.

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  16. sparkie

    One of our oldest fatihs? Historically I would say one the newer , 7th c. Of course I’m counting Christianity as one faith here.

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  17. ameliastclair

    Beautiful article, Jamila. What a heartbreaking story. Thank you for sharing it and your thoughts in such an articulate way x

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  18. Fruitbowl

    Jamila, this is a beautiful piece about a terrible subject. As someone who has a strong cultural relation to Islam, but does not identify as a Muslim, you crystallized some of my feelings. Thank you.

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  19. Caz Gibson

    I agree with Richard Dawkins when he says that there’s no such thing as a “Christian child” or a “Muslim child” or a “Jewish child” etc…..
    The people who are terrifying this child and carrying out an adult-styled arrest of this child for behaving like a child – are guilty of abuse.
    This childish behaviour between the religions degrades us all – including those of us who are Agnostic/Atheists.
    It means that our evolution as humans with kindness, ethics, and respect in our lives is slowed and shamed.
    Public outcries and publicity might help….so might letting these cruel fanatics know that the world is watching them and judging them might also help.
    Let’s hope this child isn’t left to languish in some filthy prison.

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  20. Amandarose

    I don’t think any big gathering or faith maintained by a majority of people is a good thing.
    When religion is personal and diverse and in a country that does encourage diversity it isn’t a problem.

    but entire countries thinking their belief is the one true faith and persecuting those who don’t follow it is a huge problem no matter what the religion is.

    I personally find big made made areas dedicated to faith scary and decisive. I do not like the Vatican or Meca.

    religion is in your heart and mind and private and personal- the group mentality is poison.

    I most of all hate rituals- they do not show faith in a god- they show human sheep behaving like slaves to tradition- nothing to do with being a good person or following ones religious heart.

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  21. catwoman

    As a muslim, I’m dumbfounded as to how burning sacred texts equates to blasphemy. Muslims are ENCOURAGED to burn sacred texts instead of throw them in the bin when not needed or for whatever reason so that they are not mixed with rubbish or left lying on the floor. May God grant justice to this poor little girl. I cant believe they’re treating her so seriously! I also had backstreet boys hung up on my room at that age (brian in particular :/).

    Well balanced article, thanks Jamila. I believe Islam’s image has been scarred for life by a minority of idiots. I just hope people are open-minded and are willing to get to know traditional Islam which is largely focussed on spirituality , self development and serving humanity.

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    • Cg

      Catwoman, my son has had two medical procedures recently and a Muslim girl has had the same thing done at the same time. He’s 21 and she is a young woman, not a child. He’s very sociable and tried to engage her in small talk to pass the time. Both times she has refused to speak to him. Can you tell me, is this a cultural thing or is she just rude?

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      • Kris2040

        None of my Muslim friends would be like that with a guy. So I’d say shy or rude. But I think you knew that already.

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        • DMK

          I grew up in an Islamic family, and it would always confuse me (when I was younger, about 13 – 16) when other Muslim kids in class would berate me for not fasting or if I even dared look at other non – Islamic artifacts, talk to boys etc. Apparently I was destined for hell, which is fairly ridiculous.

          As I’ve just written, it comes down to how you interpret what you read or whatever it is you’ve been taught.

          Unfortunately sometimes the message can be lost when focusing on the nit-picky things, or conversely, the rest of us have it wrong and they were right all along (;

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          • Kris2040

            I spent a lot of time with Muslim friends (no religion myself) and they run the gamut from full time hijab to never wearing it and never fasting. The hijabis aren’t worried about talking to guys.
            I just think it’s a wind-up because if this girl was a blonde haired blue-eyed chick and wouldn’t talk, the question wouldn’t be getting asked.

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            • DMK

              Oh no, definitely agree with that.

              Your comment just reminded me of something else and so I went off in a tangent :)

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            • Cg

              Absolutely incorrect. I asked if it was a cultural thing so I could tell my son if he shouldn’t speak to her. Always so quick to jump on your high horses here!

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            • Kris2040

              Why not ask her or her family yourself?

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            • Cg

              I don’t know her or her family. He is 21 and I’m not at the hospital with him.

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      • DMK

        Entirely depends on what she’s been taught.

        And that’s what it comes down to really, isn’t it?

        I doubt she was being deliberately rude.

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      • Ash

        It’s a cultural thing – Muslim women are not supposed to talk to men when they are not chaperoned. It’s considered shameful.

        To be honest, if I had the choice of staying silent and appearing rude, or engaging in conversation and bringing shame upon myself and my family, I would choose to look rude.

        I don’t necessarily believe it is right, but nor do I believe she should be tarred as ‘rude’ on a forum because her beliefs are different.

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      • catwoman

        I replied cg but it’s not coming up. Not being rude, i promise…

        Lol couldnt help myself. Its true tho i wrote a reply very soon after yours and it still hasnt come up.

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        • Cg

          Thanks cat woman and Ash. I wasn’t being rude,I genuinely wanted to know what to tell my son so he doesn’t make her uncomfortable.

          To be honest, if it is a cultural thing then I think the girl should say so. A simple – ‘thank you but my religious beliefs forbid me from talking to men whom I’m not related to. I’m not being rude, just following cultural teachings.’

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          • catwoman

            My reply disappeared AGAIN :(

            No worries cg I didnt think you were being rude.

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      • Safiyah

        Yes and no. She may be not speaking to him because she won’t speak to male non relatives based on her religion. I don’t indulge in condos with strange men although I will talk in order to do my daily activities. Just the way we are. I don’t feel burdened by it and I in the end I have a lot more to tell my husband.

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        • Confused

          Nd you wonder why the ABS say you don’t assimilate well into society if you can’t speak socially to non-related men. Just speaking to perform daily activities is not assimilating! Luckily I know a few muslim women who do speak to men simply to socialize and not just do daily activities. No doubt different set of rules for the men – bet they can talk to any women whenever they want!

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          • catwoman

            Your username suits you. Same rules apply to men, actually.

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          • safiyah

            Don’t get me wrong. I am polite and may have some small chat but I wouldn’t gain much from a conversation with a strange man. Many non-Muslim women will not chat with strange men. It is out of respect for their husbands and maybe because it just doesn’t interest them.

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            • Faybian

              Safiyah, I found your comments “I wouldn’t gain much from a conversation with a strange man” and “maybe because it just doesn’t interest them” very sexist, particularly when I see the comment you made below it.
              Men’s conversations are just as valuable as women’s IMO. Each gender brings different qualities to society and I don’t feel should be segregated.

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          • safiyah

            I do talk to many Non-Muslim women quite a lot. I quite enjoy talking to all women. We have a lot more to talk about.

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            • safiyah

              Fabian, don’t get me wrong, I talk to men but not strangers. Men who know who I am and understand me well. But I enjoy womens conversations far more. I think you can call that our biological nature.

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      • Sue

        She could also be shy or stressed about her surgery. I have had many surgical procedures, and I hate it when people try to chat to me in the pre-op area. I know sometimes that my not joining in attempts at conversation may be misinterpreted as rude, but i’m focussed on holding it together.

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      • Kim

        Why does it matter? If she doesnt want to talk, she doesn’t want to talk. It was nice of your son to be polite but he should take a hint. Neither muslim nor non-muslims can presume to know what she is thinking. Even if some muslim women won’t talk to strangers / unknown men,it doesn’t mean it is the case here. I would hope that if i don’t feel like chit-chat in the line at the post office, that the person next to me could just leave it at that and not try figure out which of the hundreds of possible reasons it could be.

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  22. Em

    So her parents left her alone? What on earth?

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  23. Bradley

    Again I find myself asking this question.

    In the Muslim world, who is running the show ? Is it the genuine peace-loving type ? Is it the moderate ? Or is it the radical fundamentalist ?

    Much points to the latter.

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    • Anonymous

      There’s no such thing as “the Muslim world”, anymore than there’s a “Christian world”.

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      • Bradley

        Let me know how you refer to the nations where the Islamic faith predominates, and I promise to use that term from now until eternity.

        You have only questioned my use of the term “Muslim world”. You haven’t questioned any of my questions.

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        • Anonymous

          I refer to them by name eg. Malaysia. I don’t refer to America as “Christianland”, so why would I lump a bunch of wildly different nations together under one banner.

          Your question’s are built around the false premise that all followers of the Islamic faith form a cohesive group. They don’t. Apart from the many vast difference’s in the way Islam is interpreted, there are also massive cultural differences. You are talking about over 1.6 billion people. No one group is “running the show”.

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        • Anonymous

          I refer to them by name eg. Malaysia. I don’t go around calling America, Australia and the UK “Christianland”, why would I lump a bunch of wildly varying countries together under the one banner?

          Your questions are based on the false premise that the 1.6 billion Muslims in the world form some sort of cohesive group. They don’t. No could “run the show” if they tried.

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          • Bradley

            You obviously need to be spoon fed.

            For the sake of expediency, I didn’t list each and every country when Islam is predominant religion by name. For the sake of common sense I choose not to refer to the nations where Christianity is the prenominant religion as “Christian-land”.

            Your opposition to my use of the term “Muslim world” is an example of nitpicking in the highest order.

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            • Bradley

              Would the term “Islamic nations of the world” be less offensive to you, you sensitive old thing, you ?

              As I say, nitpicking in the highest order.

              I get the impression that if I was to suggest black and white you would insist on ebony and mother of pearl.

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            • Jen

              I don’t think she is nit picking. There are major differences in predominately Muslim countries. My cousin lives in Turkey and it is worlds apart from somewhere like Pakistan.

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            • Faybian

              Some countries are also theocracies. Iran and Saudi Arabia come to mind….

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    • Anonymous

      Radicals will always run the show if they are allowed. Not just in religion but also in politics, that’s how dictators start. Only when the moderate majority stand up can it change, but that is not easy in countries that don’t have the communication ability we have to mobilise numbers, and when the radicals are packing AK-47′s.

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