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At this week’s plus-size ‘Big is Beautiful’ runway show for Fashion Festival Sydney, women of all shapes and sizes appeared on the catwalk to show off Myer’s collection – and it caused quite the stir, especially when The Australian‘s fashion editor, Damian Woolnough, published his thoughts on the show in  The Australian yesterday:

BIG can be beautiful but fat should not be in fashion.

At yesterday’s plus-size runway show at Fashion Festival Sydney, curvaceous women replaced their leaner peers to showcase Myer’s size 16 to 24 clothes.

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Damian Woolnough

The models were gorgeous, the clothes were unremarkable and the message about health was dangerous. Professional models, including plus-size pin-up Robyn Lawley, strutted and pouted alongside 10 winners of a competition run by Myer and The Australian Women’s Weekly. Most of the models looked healthy but some looked obese. While most fashion festivals ban models for being too skinny, why is it OK to see fat women on the runway?

There is a place for women of all sizes in the fashion media, as seen by the positive response to a plus-size shoot with Lawley in this month’s Vogue Australia, but obese models send just as irresponsible a message about the need for healthy eating and exercise as models with protruding clavicles and ribcages.

…Fashion Festival Sydney is about selling clothes and the plus-size market deserves to be represented but let’s not add another double standard to the fashion industry by celebrating people being overweight.

Women of all sizes are savvy enough to draw inspiration on how to dress from healthy, thin models. Perhaps that’s why the Sydney Town Hall was only half full for the plus-size show.

You can read the full article here.

Damian’s been slammed by many – including Georgie Safe, who wrote for the SMH today:

While Myer deserves plaudits for catering to women who wear sizes 16-24, fashion shows are about aspiration and there was little to excite on the runway, whatever your size.

The same went for several of the models. While there were some pretty faces, others were wanting. Granted, some of them were regular citizens rather than professional clotheshorses, but this still defeats the purpose of inspiring consumers to buy the clothes. Plus-size shows and models should be judged by the same standards as any other fashion shows and models, as was observed by the director of plus-size agency Bella Model Management, Chelsea Bonner, who represents Lawley. ”Plus-size models have to be just as aspirational, just as tall and just as heart-breakingly beautiful as any other model,” Bonner says.

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Robyn Lawley on the catwalk for Myer

But I disagree with Bonner on another point: while she applauded Fashion Festival Sydney for staging a plus-size show, she says true size equality would not occur until models beyond sample size were integrated into all runway shows. ”Just chuck one or two in each show; don’t make an issue of it, just do it,” she says.

Frankly, why should we? Standard-size models, like Olympic athletes, are a genetically gifted species. Most consumers understand they will never look like them. The simple fact is that clothes look better on beautiful, slender young women. If the collection is lacklustre and the models are less than top-notch, what was the point of Tuesday’s show?

The only truly stunning model on the runway was Lawley who, by the way, appears to have whittled down from a size 14-16 to a size 12.

You can read the full article here.

We asked Megan Moir Pardy, columnist for Shop Til You Drop and designer of plus-size fashion label Damn You Alexis, for her take on the matter. She wrote…

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Megan Moir Pardy

It always amazes me that journalists with very little medical training are willing to look at a woman and judge their health on what they see. “Thin” models promote anorexia, “fat” models promote obesity. We can’t win. It’s no surprise women have such issues with their bodies.

Personally I like to use size 14-16 models in my campaigns because that’s my aspirational ideal. However I have received a lot of criticism from customers who want to see clothes portrayed by women of their size. I think Myer are simply responding to this by using “real sizes” and “real women” in their show. Fashion Festival Sydney is a consumer show, not an industry one. It’s the perfect forum to show different body shapes. Who’s to say these women aren’t healthy just from judging their figure? Women are different sizes for vastly different reasons. What are they supposed to be naked? That would be confronting!

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City Chic's launch for the Megan Moir Pardy designed Damn You Alexis range

I’ve said it before and I’ll  say it again, I don’t buy the argument that featuring larger women or plus-size models in a positive way is a statement about health. It’s not. It’s an endorsement of diversity, an acknowledgement that no one particular size or shape of woman has a monopoly on being considered attractive or even ‘normal’.

Remember, you can tell very little about a model’s health from the outside.  Consider the slim, chain-smoking, binge-drinking, drug-taking, hard-partying Kate Moss. Is she a better ‘role’ model than Adele? Hell to the no.

Here’s the news coverage on Channel Nine…

And here’s a gallery of the ‘Big is Beautiful’ show…

Thoughts?

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310 Comments so far

  1. sarajane

    I would love to see models 5’5″ and under represented as well if people wish to push for reality, rather than going for size appeal only. I am small-boned, short, and a 6-8. For me. to be a 10-12 would be overweight, whereas for other taller, athletic types a 6-8 would be unhealthy. Simply saying women represent plus-size because they are tall and a size 16 is not representative of most overweight women. I understand some women can be healthy whilst designated overweight, however pictures 1 and 26 really do not seem representative of healthy larger girls, and do not look inspiring or flattering for larger people.

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  2. Rita

    Perhaps because it is a relatively recent development, there is little research on the effects of obesity portrayed in fashion media and our attitudes towards obesity, particularly our acceptability of obesity as a non-issue. However, the hypothesis that this would be as much the case as images of anorexic models relating to eating disorders, is a valid one and worth investigating. Slamming suggestions of such is not the answer. And yes, health is the issue here because whether we like it or not, obesity is a public health issue. And yes, our perceptions of what is normal is estimated from what we see around us. Fashion images affect our body image because they are widely available and yes we do care (otherwise, this wouldn’t be such a heated discussion, would it ladies?). While it may be comforting for us women to see more variety of sizes in the catwalk, it may also normalize obesity and lead those of us afflicted with obesity or moving towards it, to think that it’s no problem and we can just proceed as we are. If you are fat, ignoring that obesity is an issue of public health is not the answer. It is a coping strategy and we all do that. While we can discuss beauty (which I am not, btw), it would be more advantageous to discuss obesity and health instead of making it a taboo topic and alienate anyone who even dares to touch the subject. When we react to such comments in such strongly negative ways, perhaps we should ask ourselves what really bothers us about them.

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  3. Big Curvy Love

    Size zero models didn’t make us all skinny!! Ha ha

    http://www.bigcurvylove.com

    Cheers,

    Kelly

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  4. Katherine

    I’d just like those who say health is limited to those between 6-14 size range are obviously deluded. I’m overweight and while currently wishing to become a size 16, I believe that health cannot be equated simply with size. Manythin people are healthy as are many people of other weights. People eed to realise that by making fat people hate themselves you aren’t encouraging them to make healthy decisions you’re just destroying them and nothing gives anyone the right to do that to someone. Being fat doesn’t make someone bad, lazy or gluttonous.

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  5. aimzl87

    I’m a size 8 but would much rather see a size 10 to 12 on the runway than a size 6… Same goes for a size 14…

    If designers did BMI checks before shows and only put those on stage who fall into the “healthy” range then maybe society’s views of women would be a lot less distorted and young women would feel less pressured to starve themselvesto look like models…

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  6. Kate

    Recently discovered that David Jones newly refurbished store at Chadstone in Melbourne will not be selling any plus sized clothing. We are definitely not “valued customers” at David Jones.

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  7. Alison

    In this case, I’d worry less about the health of plus-size models than the ugliness of plus-size clothing. Why do all fashion designers seem to think that plus-size women want to wear floral print muu-muus? It is very difficult to find flattering, fashionable clothes in larger sizes. The same clothes I see on skinny models would look good on me – they would drape differently, but they would still be attractive, if they were available. It is possible to be fat and still have good taste! Skinny models in magazines don’t make me want to starve myself, my body image is fine. I would be happy to look at pictures of clothes on skinny women all day if I could ever find them in stores in my size!

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    • lindajoy

      I really hope the stores are looking at this page – a wake up call definitely needed. I didn’t think all the outfits shown were bad – but the vast majority were pretty uninspiring. Especially if you know there are better options out there…

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  8. curvesmart

    If a model is an aspirational creature, then why can’t anyone in fashion believe that a size 14 will encourage a size 24 to lose weight, rather than think it is only possible that everyone smaller will start chowing down on cheesecake? Not that it is the model’s job to do that, as was stated before a model is there to sell clothes, not sell a health ideal.

    Perhaps the show was poorly attended because it wasn’t widely/properly promoted, and because of the timeslot it was given, and the overwhelming ‘meh’ of cretins like Woolnough who are given status in the local fashion industry??

    Anyone interested in seeing what is possible in larger sizes should check out http://www.runwayrevolution.com. MBFW and Myer, you are especially invited.

    Narrow-mindness comes in all sizes, it seems.

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  9. Sam

    Why do we have to go from one extreme to the other? All normal models are rake-thin ridiculously tall girls with no figures (I’m sorry, but having the figure of a tall child does not make clothes look desirably attractive to anyone outside the warped fashion world), absurd grumpy pouting facial expressions and unattractive death-mask-like make-up. Then suddenly they decide to be ‘inclusive’ and jump to overweight plus sized 14+ models, skipping all the normal healthy sizes in between. Why can’t we have beautiful woman who are size 8-12 modelling clothes?

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    • Hanna

      Oh here we go again “Normal healthy sizes 8-12″ Its just a bit of diversity to mix up the fashion world, you can be healthy at size 14 and healthy at size 6 too!!

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  10. katherinehompes

    What I have an issue with (clothing wise)… Why do the makers of clothing assume that women are straight up and down, regardless of size?

    I have been trying to find a plain white button-up shirt. Although I am a 14-16, the only shirts that fit my bust are 20-22! I have the same issue with pants. What, women don’t have hips anymore?

    I have to say that since gaining weight (I was a 10 before I had a child) finding clothes that fit has become (marginally) easier. Although the plus size clothes I see in stores are awful, I can at least get them to fit my bust and hips. Once bought, I have to take them to a dressmaker to fit the rest of me.

    And don’t even get me started on bras…..

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    • Maggie

      OMG I totally relate!

      I vary from a size 10-12 but my bust is a G cup!
      I normally end up in tears when bra shopping.
      Shopping in general with tops cant get over my chest and pants never accommodate for my hips as they are nice an curvy.
      Dresses will be impossible unless I buy one and get the mid section taken in and that isnt cheap so I dont bother any more.

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  11. Amazed

    Well all I know is that a skinny model has never made me skinny – give me a break! I do appreciate this show even though I am not that size – it does represent how that style would fit my body(a size 10-12) closer than the emancipated size 00 to 3. As for the Harper Bazaar’s McCann comment on what the public expects – come out in the real world and open your eyes…women appreciate knowing how a style will cover their body. When I look at most high fashion magazines or attend shows I only feel that those items aren’t for me…Average Female Shopper and mother of a teen 5.8 size 16 daughter who is absolutely curvey and beautiful.

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  12. Melissa J

    Yeeeeah. Whether you’re naturally thin or naturally large, everyone has an ideal body weight for their own frame where they are the healthiest and look the best, by which I mean they look natural and in proportion.
    I think anything outside of that natural balance your body has is a bad thing to aspire to.

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  13. Jayne

    Phwoar, Ms Lawley is a total babe!

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  14. halliday

    What I want to know, is why someone, who’s only job is to be a walking clothes hanger, is such a role model for ‘health’? Are models really meant to be the epitome of that?
    This is no more than the scary societal idea that fat is the biggest evil on the planet. If you look at the proportion of messages we’re fed from the diet industry, being fat is worse than having cancer or heart disease.
    Last thing…’health’ straddles more than the physical. If an individual has serious prejudice against another person because of physical attributes, that makes them fairly unhealthy in my book. Think what you want of your own body, sad as that is, but watch how you think about other people.

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  15. Nico

    What uninspiring clothing.

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  16. Anon

    I’m a bit late to this post but I just wanted to have my say. I’ve been reading the comments and even though I agree that currently the modelling world is really only showing us a small percentage of the female population (a very small percentage), there are some facts that can’t be ignored.

    First of all, yes it is not always possible to tell if a person is unhealthy just by looking at them, for example I had a friend in high school who looked anorexic, but she was far from it, she ate well and lived healthy lifestyle, but she just didn’t put on weight. And I’m sure there are many larger women who go through the same thing. BUT, there are most certainly times where you can tell if the person is at risk, we all know that a large waist measurement, belly fat, and now fat on any area of the body does correlate to health risks, not always, but this is what the experts are saying.

    Sure it’s great that we want to see more diversity in the fashion world, but to me personally the modelling world is a fantasy world, it’s made up of like I said above a small percentage of women in the real world, and for me when I look at these magazines I always have that thought in my head. I understand that women want to flick through magazines and be able to see images that reflect how they look, but obviously this currently is not the case.

    I think we need to stop focusing on ‘fat’ and ‘skinny’ or ‘toned’ and ‘flabby’ and focus on HEALTH! And I don’t for a second buy that people living in certain areas can’t afford to exercise, walking is a GREAT form of exericse and costs no money! I think if you want to be healthy you can do it, no matter what your circumstances are.

    And no I’m not saying that plus size women don’t deserve to have nice clothes to choose from, but I think the health issue is the most important part here.

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  17. Cate

    What sadly insipid fashion, Myer! I have to wonder who the target audience is? I will continue buying my clothes overseas where clothes are made in a diversity of sizes (in recognition that different cuts and shapes flatter different body shapes). And yes, I may be fat, but I still have a sense of style which doesn’t involve oversized over-shirts and tent dresses. How about actually cutting to celebrate curves rather than drape them?

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    • lindajoy

      I agree – I have got to say I didn’t hold out much hope when I heard an ‘internal team’ were revamping Myers clothing range – sorry Myers – time to go back to the drawing board.
      I’ll be sticking to what I am already doing – second hand clothing, online purchases and scooping up any random good stuff when I see it…

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  18. emju

    Heard you on the radio/tv (? can’t remember) about this topic. You handled this issue really well, and articulately. Keep it up!

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  19. Hmmm

    I was about to comment about how we need more diversity and then I thought, you know what, I really couldn’t give a toss.

    Skinny models, ‘fat’ models… whatever. Fashion doesn’t even factor on my radar screen. They can parade whatever they like up and down a catwalk and I’d still rather do anything other than go shopping.

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  20. Ellie

    I’ll get slammed for this – in most cases, a woman wearing a size 24 isn’t that way because she’s stuck to 5 serves of veg a day. There is a point where we have to stop being politically correct about it, there is a point where you stop being tall or wide or curvy and become overweight, and yes, you can say from looking at them they’re not healthy. For some wearing a size 6, you could say the same, but really, you are more likely to be naturally small than naturally overweight. Again, it IS something you can tell by looking at a person.

    Now, does this make me want to become really thin or really fat? No. Seeing these people doesn’t do anything to me. It’s not “making us fat”. Sedentary life styles and poor eating leads to being overweight.

    Look, good for them that it’s a fashion show with some alright clothes for large women but we have to face up to the fact that they aren’t healthy sizes (here comes the hate). I am all for displaying women in fashion that are between size 6 and 14, the regular issued sizes. And they’d probably be unusually tall, toned and beautiful too, but that’s what fashion is about!

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    • Anonymous

      “That’s what fashion is about”….women of all sizes are entitled to fashion!!!

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    • Maggie

      Yes you will get slammed for this because it’s nonsense! As Alexis has pointed out, skinny does not mean healthy and the fashion industry has never promoted healthy anyway! It”s diversity we need – there are not enough non Anglo models either.

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    • halliday

      Firstly, how do you know these women aren’t healthy? A few hundred years ago these are the women that would actually survive past 40, because they weren’t emaciated and suffering from malnutrition. It IS possible to be overweight and disgustingly healthy. I’m not skinny, and I’m far healthier than most people I know, of all sizes.
      Secondly. Why is ‘health’ disguising the disgust at someone being overweight in order to make the prejudice ok? If there really is an issue with health then why aren’t the models who eat cotton balls soaked in milk so that they don’t get hungry looked at as unhealthy? Why isn’t someone who drinks some ungodly man-made weight loss shake to stay thin pointed out? Why doesn’t the avid runner get made an example of for their bad joints as a result of their favourite form of exercise? I’ll tell you…it’s because THEY’RE THIN. And apparently that absolves all, cures all and is the be all and end all.

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      • Ellie

        Firstly, by looking at their waist and stomach. A waist measurement over 80cms or there about is the guideline for being overweight. I think a size 16-18, depending on the shop you’re in, will be this size.

        Extra fat around the stomach is the second indicator as a sign of being unhealthy as fat around the organs is the most detrimental.

        Being overweight increases one’s risk of heart disease and diabetes. If you’re going to make the point about runners … extra weight on the joints doesn’t help either. I could go on about how being on the extreme ends of weight are harmful to health. And please – the point about women hundreds of years ago is moot. Because you’re right, people were busy surviving back then, not worrying about the Myer catwalk.

        Additionally, I never said I wasn’t interested in the health implications of very slim women on the catwalk either. I am. I’m not interested in seeing incredibly, unhealthy skinny women on the cat walks. As stated above, I’d love to see women who naturally fit sizes 6 to 14 on the catwalk.

        Anon – fashion is about beauty. The last sentence implicated that I expect women in fashion shows will always be very tall, very toned and very beautiful.

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    • nilandvoid

      You can’t just make up random statistics, ie “you are more likely to be naturally small than naturally overweight,” science doesn’t work that way. Just because someone occurs to you to be true does not actually make it so.

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      • Rita

        Well, science does work that way. But perhaps if you bothered to check, you’d know that it’s not a random statistics…

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  21. May

    I want to see more diversity in magazines and on catwalks. I want to see models other than young size 8 caucasians. But I agree that if we’re banning models for being “too thin”, we should ban models for being “too fat” as well. I don’t really know if I believe it’s right for there to be a place for a model with a BMI over 30 any more than I believe there should be a place for someone with a BMI under 17. I’m a standard size 12, and I feel like I hardly ever see models who represent my size – they are either the typical size 8 or plus size 16. Why?!

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  22. Anon

    Sorry, I thought this was a fashion parade about selling clothes not a health show?

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    • Anonymous

      Hahahahahaha !! Well said!

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    • Rita

      Well, it’s simplistic to believe that fashion and health arre not related, because they are and years and years of research have provided evidence of that relationship. If the “o” word bothers you, perhaps you should think about why it is so, instead of trying to create the illusion that there is no health issue here.

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  23. Mrs Average

    Wow!

    This can’t be real! In an age of absolute tolerance we are slamming women that are heavy as obese and unhealthy on a catwalk designed to showcase clothing. CLOTHING!
    Larger women aren’t entitled to have nice clothing modeled on a catwalk?
    So heavy women are bad role models? Any person that can think these thoughts – let alone air them in public – is completely disconnected from their empathy chip!
    Let me tell you what it’s like to be addicted to food….
    I am a size 14-16 woman over 40 and under 160cm tall. I rarely drink alcohol because it just doesn’t appeal to me. I have never smoked. I exercise regularly, I run a hectic business and I have 2 teenage children so I’m busy.
    The thing we need to sustain us physically is food…we have to eat. My problem is that I have this compulsion to eat mindlessly. If I am home, I can’t stop myself from going to the cupboard or fridge for food.
    I’ve been to many Drs, but they aren’t listening. I CAN”T stop eating! I want to stop but I CAN’T. Do you seriously think I want to be this size?
    The only thing that has EVER helped me control my addiction is Duromine. It’s a pretty hardcore drug actually but it’s the only thing that has helped me in my 20 year battle with food addiction. The problem with it being the only thing that will help me is that Dr’s don’t like to prescribe it.
    Every time I go to the Dr to ask for help (other than duromine) they patronise me by telling me I need to use portion control and exercise and then write me a referral to a nutritionist and sports physiologist.
    They don’t get it! I know what makes me fat. I know what not to eat. I know how to cook healthy nutritious food. I just can’t stop myself from eating too much of it!
    It is easy for you people that aren’t addicted to food, to judge larger people. If only you knew how it really felt to have an unstoppable urge to eat!

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    • Mrs Average

      and shame on Georgie Gardner from the Today show for judging larger women so ignorantly, twice in the last couple of weeks!

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    • If you’re worried about not being able to control what you eat, you might get some tips reading David Gillespie’s book called “sweet poison”.

      It wasn’t for me in the long run, but he is bloody well researched and presents a really good, reasoned argument about sugar and what it does to your appetite control and inability to stop eating. Alot of the symptoms were very true for me, i was a true sugar addict!

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    • Kris2040

      Rather than complaining about being referred to sports psychologists, why not go along and see what they can offer?

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  24. Ally

    I think some people need to watch how they word things. I am a plus-model in US and I agree a little with what all the above wrote. There should diversity in fashion shows especially if the designer makes his/her clothes in a larger size (usually up to a 14). HoweverI do believe that there should be standards for plus models as well as straight sized models and there are a lot of women that really are too big to be models – samples sizes in the plus markt are usually a 12/14.

    OAN: Speaking of diversity, I notice that people in the plus industry are about talking about being inclusive, but they rarely put women of color in their shows. That is a problem here in the states as well which perplexes me because they are the ones who seem to be more accepting of their larger bodies. Just an observation…

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    • Nicki

      I whole-heartedly agree with you Ally. People say I’m “skinny”, and these people assume that I will fit into any clothes I like. It’s SO not the case! I’m a petite athletic type (5’5, 34 (AA cup), 26, 37). As you prob know, fitting models are about 5’8, catwalk models are even taller (around the 6′ mark). I think I can speak on behalf of all women, regardless of their shape or size, let’s see EVERYONE represented on the catwalks!

      And yes, the occasional black model is tokenistic inclusion – where are the Asian models, the Sub-continental models?

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  25. clairek

    This is slightly of topic but has anyone seen the contestant Amelia on Australia’s Next Top Model?

    A lovely looking girl but she is so blatantly anorexic or builimic (trust me I can spot them), and the judges even said they were worried she was too thin at during auditions but still put her through.

    That made me sad, this girl should have been sent home because she is clearly unwell and not setting a good example.

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    • caitlinalexander

      I’ve been watching ANTM too, I noticed Amelia is incredibly thin. She also comes off as a bit of a control freak and quite eager for attention, how do you ‘know’ she is bulimic/anorexic though? Just a question because she hasnt been shown that much yet.

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      • clairek

        Oh I dunno, maybe I’m wrong and she is just an extreme dieter. I’ve had a few bulimic friends over the years and they all seem to have the sunken eyes, big jaw line, skinny neck and bony shoulders and chests. Not to mention no sign of body fat anywhere – even legs and arms.

        Hope I’m wrong about it the poor girl, it’s a terrible disease. I think one of my girlfirends has relapsed with hers again but I’m not sure how to broach it with her…

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        • NotByChoice

          This might be your experience, but I think that might be a bit harsh. I have a body similar to what you have just described, and yet I eat healthily (quite a lot of it, actually) and exercise, etc. She may be quite thin (and some of that is probably her diet), but a lot of people are just like that. No matter what they do, they cannot put on weight, and are criticized for it.

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          • clairek

            yes it may be harsh but there are other indicators too and if I met you I’d bet I would notice how healthy you look, not sick. Builimic/anorexics look sick, and have other indicators like excess body hair (so removing all body hair can be a give away), dry or dehydrated looking skin, bad breath and bad teeth from throwing up. Not to mention a weird attitude to food.

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            • B

              The producers would not let a girl who was suffering from a serious mental illness on the show. It has already been stated on ANTM facebook that although thin, she is not sick.

              Also the ‘you can spot them’ comment is ridiculous. You cannot tell if someone is sick just by looking at them. Thin does not = anorexic.

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  26. Camie

    The clothes for plus sized women are foul. I went from a 10 to an 18 due to an illness and couldn’t believe how foul the clothes were. I’m 25 and the options are limited. City Chic? Cheap, nasty, tacky. Department stores? Sure, if you are 50. My options are limited to getting lucky and finding a 16 that will fit me in a regular store. I methodically go through all stores looking for that lucky item, despite the snarky ‘umm so just to let you know how our sizing works…’ comments from sales staff. I actually have the best luck in Target. Yet I have money to spend.

    On the positive side though the dearth of decent clothing is inspiring me to lose weight.

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    • Mel

      I hear ya! And feel very much the same way. I didn’t gain weight through ilness but sadly and slowly over time. I hate shopping and am trying to drop the kilos for the same reason. Good luck with it. If all else fails I start making clothes out of bed shits.

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    • relish

      And what is with making items in larger sizes with synthetics? I am a size 16 and not overweight, just tall and large structure but I despise not being able to buy natural fibre clothing – linen and cotton, not stretch polyester p,ease people!

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      • Kris2040

        I’m the same. I’m not obese – plus size clothes are made for people who are way bigger than me, and they’re bigger in a different way. I’m tall and have wide shoulders and big boobs and hips, but I’m nowhere near being able to fit a size 18 plus size top. I got a couple when I was pregnant, and even then I looked like a little kid playing dress ups, because they just swim on me. Even 9 months pregnant! They were so baggy I was constantly pulling them back up.
        I’ll see your complaint about the polyester and raise you – bedazzling. I know when I’ve hit the plus sizes in the clothes racks at Target when the beads and crap start appearing.

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        • relish

          Bedazzling! I hear ya! And weird prints. I too can’t wear plus size because of the cuts but do find it really hard to just get a pair of jeans and a crisp white shirt with shape. Expense is definitely a factor but I’d prefer one nice item to four tacky ones. Sometimes sportscraft have some really well cut clothes and they have good sales too.

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        • lindajoy

          that is sooo true – Australian clothing retailers are obsessed with it….

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      • Lulu

        http://www.marksandspencer.com/

        has great linen & linen-mix clothes, in a range of sizes. And the pants come in short/medium/long!!

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    • lindajoy

      There are nice plus size clothes out there – I looked at one store that I love online today – but I simply haven’t got a spare $500 to spend on a jacket… I need money for things.. well…like (healthy) food, healthcare and to pay bills….

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    • georgielove

      Shop online! Much better options, try ASOS, Dorothy Perkins or Torrid for younger and hip pieces. Edited to add = AND affordable. I live in DP clothes.

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  27. relish

    Small models don’t inspire me to be small, large models don’t inspire me to be large. By eating a well balanced diet with good nutrition and plenty of physical activity, my body will be what it will be. I took a long time to realise this but now, I am healthier, happier and more confident than ever and the best weight and most fit I’ve ever been.

    Models don’t cause weight problems. Too much in and not enough out or too little in and too much out causes health issues.

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  28. DL

    I don’t know what all the fuss is about. It seems fairly simple: medically defined anorexia and obesity are both dangerous for your health and will likely lead to a shorter lifespan. Celebrating either state in the name of fashion is wrong given that fact. Out of the two states obesity is more common which is the bigger threat to the population at the moment. Sure, I would rather have had a qualified doctor make the statements that Damian dared to make but I don’t think that changes the fact that he does have a point.

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  29. Anonymous

    not looking at anything this guys written before, not considering his sexuality and not worrying about anything other than what was in the article, i think he has a point. If healthy (and i mean real healthy, of the not looking like a stick variety) is what is good for us, then healthy are the ones that should be on the catwalk.

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    • jodiehunter

      Let’s say that each of the models is examined by a doctor – and in spite of their weight are pronounced ‘healthy’, what then?

      This type of argument still negates the fact that plus size people exist and need clothing and more of it is available online than in store – so we need to see it on plus sized bodies for the best measure of what will suit us.

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  30. Anonymous

    Damian Woolnough’s comments are repulsive. Why do they continue to publish comments by gay men about women’s fashion and bodies? Clearly he has no idea and I hope he loses his job.

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  31. Fizz

    It seems simple to me. All sizes of women wear clothes, ergo all sizes of women buy clothes. Doesn’t it make good sense for clothes makers to showcase all sizes in fashion shows? Is it too simplistic to think they would make more money this way?

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  32. sookie

    The sole purpose of a model is to be a clothes hanger. To be able to see the design of the clothing NOT the model.
    Personally I’m just sick of models. Overrated, overpaid and contribute nothing much to society but low self esteem and vanity.

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  33. anon4now

    This Damian Woolnough hasn’t the first clue about women’s fashion. I’ve read his editorials before and he writes a load of crap. He pretends he’s in tune with what women like and fashion trends etc…he knows what he wants to see and it doesn’t include anything larger than a six, and patronisingly throws in how ‘some of the women’ were ok so really don’t get hung up on his “ignorant” opinion and Mamamia thrives on having this debate over and over again…most are truly over it!

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    • lindajoy

      hear hear – if someone says that seeing plus size models will make people want to be overweight or obese – that shows you how ignorant you are…

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  34. lindajoy

    I have to say the ‘Big is Beautiful’ title for the show is pretty patronising as well – puh-leeze. It’s like Myer want us to say ‘oh thank you, we feel so much better now…’

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  35. Nicki

    No, plus-sized models are not making us fat! Good nutrition for minimal effort, junk food, and lack of exercise is making us fat. End of story.

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  36. Bo

    Most of the women in the pictures above look great! There are only a couple that look overweight to me.

    I think that being a size 20+ is unhealthy though – people will probably scream at me and tell me about their cousin’s friend’s babysitter who is a size 22 runs marathons and swims the English channel annually but I reaaaally struggle to see how a sizes that big are healthy. It puts a tremendous strain on your organs, heart and breathing. I’ve never seen a size 20+ running in the park or easily walking up a flight of stairs. Sorry – but I’m not buying that its healthy.

    So if we label skinny models with protruding bones as “unhealthy” then I really don’t see how we can not label a size 20 as unhealthy too?? Can’t we all agree that too far either way is bad?

    PS – For those interested – I had to deal with Damien Woolnough a few times during an internship about a year ago and he wasn’t pleasant to say the absolute least….

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    • Bo

      Haha was my final comment about Damien removed? I didn’t think it was offensive…..?

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  37. lindajoy

    hi there folks – I haven’t read the comments in too much detail – but here are my observations… I’m a NZer who has lived in Australia for 4 years and spent 9 years living in London. My observations as a larger lady:
    - I definitely don’t enjoy being plus-size and have spent the last 2 years gradually improving my diet and exercising more than in the past – I have lost a little weight and generally look healthier – but I am definitely still a size which means I cannot participate in the mainstream market as far as clothes size goes – I really do want to lose weight to be healthier, rather than to aspire to be like a model…
    - the clothes in the Myer parade looked pretty dull and uninspiring
    - clothes for larger women in Australia seem to be badly made, cheap and nasty or well made – but incredibly expensive and inaccessible for your average buyer – there seems to be little in terms of a happy medium unlike the UK – I have a wardrobe of amazing and reasonably priced clothes from my time there which I am desperately trying to hang on to
    - I tend to buy decent stuff as quick as possible when I see it (generally from Jacqui E) as there is so little out there for my size. I also go to Savers and source stuff from overseas retailers in the UK
    - it’s very difficult to find well made and reasonably priced basics such as jeans for a larger size – whenever I wear my Marks and Spencer jeans I bought in London my husband always asks if I have lost weight.
    - I don’t know why Australian retailers find it so difficult to cater for the larger market – it’s like they are not even trying. I am sure there are people out there doing great stuff, but you don’t tend to hear about them.

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    • georgielove

      Fortunately UK retailers DO ship to Aus, incl M&S! Always loved their underwear, lasts forever!!!!!!!!!!

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  38. Claire (@freetoclaire)

    I am not going to get into whether or not big girls should be in fashion or not. People either think they do or think they dont, and nothing I say here is going to change that, and I dont particularly want to get into an argument about it.

    What I do want to comment on though, is Damian’s comment.
    I must have taken it a different way than others have. I agree that his statement “Fat shouldnt be in fashion” was in bad taste and very abruptly put, albeit a seemingly popular sentiment.
    I thought his issue was not having a range of sizes or even “big girls” on the catwalk – it sounded, at least in the beginning, that his issue was with obese women on the catwalk. (As he said in the beginning, big can be beautiful and most of the women were gorgeous.) I can see a point in that – women who are too underweight are not allowed on the catwalk due to their health, and the implications on the people who will aspire to them. Therefore, wouldnt it be a double standard (since that is what we are talking about here) to not have an upper limit in regards to weight as well? Isnt there a ‘healthy weight range’ for a reason? that being not only under that, but above it as well, is unhealthy?
    I agree that there should be a range of women in fashion, to show the diversity in all the shapes and sizes and colours that are “the real world”. I mean, hell, Im not a skinny chick by any means (size 14-16) and its nice seeing how clothes will fit on my body type before I head into a changing room to depress myself with how many “skinny girls clothes” dont look right on me. I also agree that you cant tell anything about a woman’s general health just by looking at them, big or not. But I also know that being underweight is medically unhealthy, as is being obese. So if we are going to draw a line one way, shouldnt we also draw it the other?
    Whether or not I agree with it, I think the issue with “fat models promote obesity” is not that women will go out and make themselves fat; It is that underweight models ‘create’ bad body image in people who are average or bigger, and in some people creates an unhealthy struggle to make themselves look that way. Now, being obese is not going to make women run out and eat twenty big macs a day to become obese, however it might prevent others who are already obese from trying to acheive a more healthy weight because their size is normalised and touted as beautiful and healthy.

    I do think there is a double standard going on, on both sides of the fence.

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  39. Anonymous

    Quite frankly I am sick of seeing plus size and skinny models…surely it makes sense to use mid-size models of say size 12 and of average height (not sure but assume 5ft 6) that way it is easier to imagine what the clothes would look like on you if you are bigger or smaller, shorter or taller and also portrays a healthy body image. We should aslo categorise all models – start calling size 8 and below ‘minus size’ 10 to 14 ‘mid size’ and 16 and over ‘plus size’ because many plus size models look like ‘mid size’ to me but because they aren’t skinny enough they are put into the ‘plus size’ category.

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  40. Anonymous

    I think that Robyn is gorgeous and featuring women from sizes 6-14 is wonderful.

    However,16+ is obese and by featuring these women as models it is sending the message that it is okay to be that size. It not okay as it is unhealthy and it is exactly the same as featuring skinny models and making protruding bones the norm.

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    • CC

      The only “message” that it’s sending is that larger women exist and they need to wear clothes too.

      And a size 16 is not necessarily obese either.

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    • Kris2040

      I’m a 16-18 and I’m not obese. I did my BMI the other day, and I’m in the overweight zone. Even 4 months post partum and with breastfeeding boobs included!
      Maybe consider people’s heights and builds before judging just based on one number alone (size or weight).

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  41. clare

    agree that designers should put a bit of effort into the clothing design (rather than tshirts and jeans) and promoting it as a consumer show, rather than a novelty side event.

    Maybe then these women would not be judged against the standard of the miranda kerrs of the world but as winners of a competition brave enough to face up to public scrutiny. Tricky to find a way to avoid public outrage and debate about something that maybe should be less of an issue.

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  42. Cathy Crawley

    Let’s make this crystal clear for dear deluded Damian. Not every woman who is a plus size downs 6 big macs for lunch every day and I hardly agree that by having plus size women on catwalks it’s going to inspire other women to go and eat junk food and assume an unhealthy lifestyle. That is utterly ridiculous and only a man would come out with that. I’ve never met a woman who has quipped that she wanted to put on weight after seeing a plus size beauty walk past. Women come in all shapes and sizes for a multitude of reasons, the fact that big gals can now go to a shopping centre and see their size represented on the catwalk should be celebrated not ridiculed. As for woman are savvy enough draw inspiration from skinny girls on the runway and then take that inspiration into the plus size shops, poppycock. The designs made for skinny girls are totally different for big gals, I’m a 14 and I still can’t get my ‘girls’ to fit into the latest fashion! I can only imagine how difficult it is for the size 16-24 girls out there.

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  43. SarahJ

    Okay so I’m a size 14, and I love my body. I really think it’s awesome. I’d like it if my boobs were bigger but that’s neither here nor there.

    To be honest, while I like seeing girls like this in fashion shows etc, I guess i’d rather they weren’t, because then arguments like this pop up. And when arguments like this pop up it brings all the fat-haters out of the woodwork. Before I know it, people I thought were rational, intelligent human beings are coming out with ‘Girls like that shouldn’t be on the catwalk; fat girls are ugly’. (Yes, comments like this… from adults)

    At least if we never discussed it I wouldn’t have people make me second guess myself. It’s like people WANT you to hate yourself if you’re not a size 10. Why is that?

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    • GG

      Calling people Fat Haters for voicing an opinion your not happy with is very immature. If you like being size 14 then im happy for you! but I suspect your secretly not – otherwise you wouldn’t have to say this sort of stuff

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      • JosieY

        I don’t think she was calling people fat haters for voicing an opinion unless it is (as she said) ‘fat girls are ugly’.

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      • SarahJ

        When people say bluntly ‘fat girls are ugly’, I suspect it’s not out of line to assume they have a serious problem with fat people. Not the ordinary comments on this site, but ones where people obviously have a problem with those who are overweight. It’s vicious.

        And it’s insulting that you assume I don’t like being a size 14 – like there’s something inherently wrong with my body. I said I love my body, and I really do, but when people say things like ‘fat girls are ugly’ and I go ‘well size 14 is plus sized, is plus sized fat? Does that mean she thinks I’m ugly?’ well of course that makes me second guess my confidence. It’s only natural. That’s no ‘secret’, that’s being human.

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  44. Mary Christmas

    http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2011/s3300546.htm

    an interesting study about obesity

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  45. anna84

    I think some of those women are far too big and seriously overweight. However, some of them look really good. :) I’m kinda sick of this topic too but I’ll add something else:
    I’d also like to know why all models in Australian magazines/catwalks are white anglo-saxon. Well, the vast majority anyway. I live in Melbourne and I know looking around I can see people of all different races walking the streets everyday. I knows models are not the “average” person but I still think you could find beautiful women from a majority of different racial backgrounds. Other countries are much further ahead, in American magazines you see WAY more black and asian models than you do here. So that’s something else that needs to be addressed too I think.

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    • lv

      Ever heard of Samantha Harris? Front cover of Vogue? Myer?
      As a percentage of population there are nowhere near as many people of African background in Aust as there are in the USA. You do see some African girls and Aboriginal and Arabic. Most Asians are not very tall so that lowers the potential pool somewhat.

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      • Nicki

        lv, the fact that most Asians aren’t very tall is a poor reason to not see Asian models. Are Asian women not “real” women because they’re usually petite?

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      • olive

        Samantha Harris is the only famous Aboriginal model. She is also the one you can turn to and say “we are not racist because we have her..”

        It is a sad truth but obviously only white girls can sell the ‘Aussie’ look. Because everyone just does nothing but stand around in bikinis and pout.

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        • Nico

          How dare you, I’m standing around in a bikini as we speak!

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  46. 25 year old male

    The first picture where the woman is wearing that horrible mash of camo greens is clearly overweight, and to be honest doesn’t look very good at all.

    Truth.

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    • B.B.

      I don’t know if I’d go as far as to say she didn’t look good – but my first thought was “Girlfriend needs some spanx”.

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      • Anonymous

        A very naive comment. I bet she loves the way she looks naked, good for her!

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    • Cee

      I think the main problem is that terrible dress – bad colours, the stripes aren’t doing anything for her and why oh why did they use this clingy fabric?

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  47. Doz

    The author is being a total fashion snob. I mean how dare those fatties show themselves in public and be proud. What he was saying is “go back to your discount department stores and leave high fashion to us” sheesh. Why would’t any woman want to be able to wear fashionable chlothes (athough I do agree some of the fashion a bit dubious) no matter what size? What if fashion moved to only fit the norm? So size 6, 8 became non existent and fashion was only available in 10, 12, 14, 16 and 18. Who would be crying into their Sass and Bides then?
    Lets take the snobbery out and have a real discussion.

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  48. Suri

    To be brutally honest – i don’t think any of these overweight women in the pictures look that great at all. And for the fashion… well most of the clothes look really bad.

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    • Nicki

      Most of what I see on catwalks and in magazines these days is what I call “anti-fashion”. I’m buying more retro-style things these days…..I’m starting to dress like a 1950′s housewife

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  49. Phenomenal Woman

    This goes out to the ladies regardless of your size or shape:

    Pretty women wonder where my secret lies.
    I’m not cute or built to suit a fashion model’s size
    But when I start to tell them,
    They think I’m telling lies.
    I say,
    It’s in the reach of my arms
    The span of my hips,
    The stride of my step,
    The curl of my lips.
    I’m a woman
    Phenomenally.
    Phenomenal woman,
    That’s me.

    P.S . So keep ya head up ladies and continue to be the beautiful wonderful human beings we know we are <3. oxo

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    • snarkle

      Wow peeps, Maya Angelou visited Mamamia! NOT. Credit the artist, next time.

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  50. Jonni

    They all look nice, what’s the big deal?

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