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Pedophile Peter Versi

 

 

 

 

Murderers leave prison, if they leave, with their names plastered across newspaper front pages more often than not. Thieves are named too. So are arsonists and embezzlers. But what of pedophiles?

Serious sex offenders are able to apply to the courts to have their names and details suppressed, never to see the light of day, ostensibly because the braying public would hound their every move and, you know, judge them.

Other high profile criminal cases occasionally have details suppressed, too, but it happens most often with pedophiles and serious sex offenders. Those cases are more emotive.

A wealthy Sydney businessman had his details suppressed so he could ‘minimise any ongoing damage to his reputation’. For the record, he raped his 11-year-old step daughter. His name was kept secret yet the explicit details of his crime were laid bare. The victim later said:

“His identify was protected, yet these intimate details about me are not protected at all. How can, on the one hand, they protect this man’s identity, and on the other hand, deny the victim’s right and the rights of society to know he is a convicted pedophile?”

It was only after broadcaster Derryn Hinch named the man that a court lifted the suppression order. That was last week. That man is Peter Versi. A property developer and pedophile sentenced last month to 18 months’ jail for the rape which took place in the 1980s.

He maintains his innocence.

It’s important to note suppression orders are made by judges as a balancing act. The competing interests of open and transparent justice (justice should not only be done, it is said, but should be seen to be done) and of the individual’s right to privacy, fair trial and the resumption of a relatively normal life after serving one’s debt to society.

But the public are unsure of pedophiles: can they ever really be rehabilitated? Therefore, do they continue to pose a risk when released and shouldn’t they be made aware if they do?

As for Hinch, he has made a name for himself by outing these suppressed pedophiles, against the law.

He was jailed in the 1980s for naming a pedophile priest and was last year banned from broadcasting or speaking publicly for five months after naming more sex offenders.

Sex offenders at an admitted risk of re-offending have had their names and addresses ziplocked behind a wall of secrecy. Judges use different reasons for the different cases, of course.

Risk of vigilante justice being one. Sometimes details are suppressed to protect the victim against the salivating scrutiny of an engrossed public. Sometimes suppression orders just protect the pedophile.

“The question which is at the centre of the debate is – should convicted and suspected sex offenders have any civil liberties and rights to privacy?

The answer, in a civilised society, must surely be yes. The rights of those offenders who have served court imposed sentences, while they are certainly diminished, are not extinguished completely. Many within the community would disagree. They argue unequivocally that in committing their offences, these types of offenders have infringed on the freedoms and rights of their victims and in so doing, have forfeited any rights enjoyed by other members of the community.”

That’s Nigel Waters. He’s the head of the Privacy Branch in the Office of the Privacy Commissioner. He dances along the line many of us struggle with: what of the public’s right to know if serious sex offenders are back in the community?

One of Australia’s most notorious pedophiles, Dennis Ferguson, was hounded from town-to-town and interstate by mobs of angry locals each time his whereabouts became known. It was always meant to be a secret.

Eventually it seemed as if there was nowhere in Queensland the convicted pedophile could live. Who would have him? He had a long record of child sexual assault stretching back to the 1980s including one stint which resulted in 14 years’ jail when he and a partner kidnapped three young children and flew them interstate to have them sexually abused.

A sentencing judge noted Ferguson would never be rehabilitated and, during prison, he refused to take part in rehab programs and persistently tried to gain access to police crime photos of his victims under Freedom of Information laws.

Honorary Senior Lecturer, Department of Psychiatry from the  University of Melbourne Dr William Glaser framed the debate with a sharp race to the point:

“Imagine a society afflicted by a scourge which struck down a quarter of its daughters and up to one in eight of its sons. Imagine also that this plague, while not immediately fatal, lurked in the bodies and minds of these young children for decades, making them up to sixteen times more likely to experience its disastrous long-term effects. Finally, imagine the nature of these effects: life-threatening starvation, suicide, persistent nightmares, drug and alcohol abuse and a whole host of intractable psychiatric disorders requiring life-long treatment. What should that society’s response be?”

What indeed? Where do you draw the line between the right for convicted criminals to re-enter society and the right for society to know about the criminal pasts of those living with them?

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206 Comments so far

  1. iKlone

    Human society is non existant. To allow pedophiles the right to privacy is a crime in itself. But we as western people are so quick to chastise our western brethern for such a heinous crime, yet we welcome cultures to our western society where child brides are common place. To h3ll with humanity.

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    • Tim

      couldnt of said it any better myself. it dosen’t seam like anyone actually thinks of the children and the trauma those children live with. I think they are more interested in protecting the church and keeping religion alive. It sickens me to the gut that our leaders turn a blind eye too this, obviously they benefit by letting this continue. though if anyone decided to take these matters into their own hands, they would be charged for breaching private evidence. Well nobody would have to be vigilant if the people who had the power would go to extreme matters to stop this sickness. Unfortunatly the people with power are without hearts

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  2. Jacqui

    It took our society a long time to treat rape as a very serious crime because it was somehow considered a version of sex by a patriarchal legal system. Is this why it is taking so long to treat child abuse and pedophilia as the most abhorrent of crimes, requiring mandatory life sentencing for repeat offences? I’m sure most of us would want this. The Catholic priesthood acted slowly in eradicating its pedophiles because there seemed to be an unspoken understanding within the ranks of the ‘needs’ of priests. Does our still male-dominated society sympathise with pedophiles in the same way, even if sub-consciously, for needing to satisfy their sex drives? Women are screaming in rage at what is being done to children yet our courts are not reflecting this….why?? Why is pedophilia not punished with the utmost penalty? That child abusers can have their ‘reputations’ protected, when it has been acknowledged that they have stolen a childhood and ruined a life simply smacks of patriarchy to me.

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    • Dont want to tell

      I read a really good article once on how rape used to be considered a crime of property (last century women were the property of their fathers, husbands etc).

      I wish I could find again.

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    • True!

      yeh i agree with you jacqui. its still a male dominate society, no matter what is being said about equal women rights. women are still being treated as less superior in the workplace, and at home. and I (being a male) think thats bull$hit too. I will say that will change alot more in the next 20 years, seeing in our schools today, young women are more academicly superior then most young males. I will tell you there are a majority of men screaming in rage about this situation too, and it makes us sick just as much as you. That being said, those sex urges don’t come natural to men. It comes from sick maniacs that thrive on fear and control (most being men) and use the voice of religion to protect themselves and use the gullible

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  4. amandarose

    All these hysterial reactions actually make people less likely to report a crime and less likely for people to get help and heal.
    Would you as a child have reported your dad or uncle or brother if they were going to be crucified? Kids will still love even the worst of parents and it does nothing to help when people talk about killing and life time detention etc.
    each person and situation is different and they way we talk about and deal with sexual abuse is counter productive as it is invisible.

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    • Dont want to tell

      I love you Amandarose, the voice of reason.

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      • Amandarose

        Thanks! The feeling is mutual

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  5. kerriann

    someone I know put it to me this way………

    Serious offenders of crime, especially the most hideous of crimes, against children, the handicapped, the elderly……… should be ” managed” this way……

    Place them in a maximum security establishment…… treat them well, Feed them well. Encourage exercise and well being.
    Put their skills to good use for manufacturing things for the community etc…..and when a person, living a wholesome good life is in a life threatening health situation, and requires a doner organ….. lets harvest these ideal healthy organs from the criminals mentioned above.

    Win Win people, win win !!!

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    • amandarose

      Are you for real? sounds a bit psycho to me

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      • kerriann

        Did this conversation happen….yes.
        Do I believe in this persons thoughts are the way of the future …..no
        Did the idea raise feelings within me…..yes

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    • HPK

      Harvesting organs from criminals, do you really want to live in that world?
      I’m in shock!!!

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      • Anonymous

        No of course not. But not loving the fact that we live in world with pedophiles either.
        Want to reinforce though, that even though I posted the words, they were not MY thoughts. They came from a conversation regarding capitol punishment and the process of something good potentially arising from awful people and awful deeds resulting in the death penalty.

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    • gemack

      They do this in China, to prisoners and religious minorities that are seen to oppose the CCP. A relative of my partner’s was affected.

      Here’s some info: “http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/apr/27/chinese-accused-of-vast-trade-in-organs/?page=all”

      It is downright offensive to me to make the suggestion whether you’re serious or not. It is totally wrong to harvest organs from people and I would HATE to see that mentality pop up in Australia.

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  6. kate!

    Pitchfork anyone?

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  7. cj

    paedophiles should be killed

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    • Another anon

      If reporting my father was likely to result in his death, then I would not tell anyone anything.

      Silly comment.

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      • susan

        If my father was a paedophile, then his death would be music to my ears…he has betrayed the greatest trust of all.

        Suppressing these animals names tells the children what has happened to them is shameful, it should be made clear to them it’s NOT their shame, it’s the paedophile’s shame.

        By hushing it up it protects the paedophile….the children weren’t protected in the first place so the idea that suppressing their abuser’s names to protect them is null and void.

        Paedophile’s are protected..it’s a shame the children weren’t in the first place.

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        • Amandarose

          5 year olds don’t think like that. ids love their parents even those beyond crap. The reality is kids don’t want daddy killed they just want it to stop.
          These simplistic juvenile red neck comments make every thing worse- don’t you get it?

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          • Anonymous

            I think it’s very easy for people to forget that the abuse isn’t the only memory you have of an abuser, if they are someone close to you.

            When I was reporting someone I loved I was so unsure as to whether to actually press charges because I felt I was betraying him (ridiculous sounding, I know). The policeman taking my statement stopped typing and said “You know what? I had a little boy in here with me this morning. He told me he loves his stepdad – he loves it when they go fishing together, and when he takes him to the footy. He just doesn’t love him when he tries to make him XXX” (can’t remember exactly what he said)

            The point is – your feelings can be very conflicted about the abuser. When they are someone close to you, you can hate them, but still love them (for other things, and despite yourself).

            I wanted the person who assaulted me punished – but at the start I didn’t even want him to go to jail in case he got hurt (and also because it would make him angrier at him and more likely to hurt me). The conflicting, messed up emotions is half the trauma. As is trying to reconcil what they did with who you thought they were (eg are they an evil person who can be nice at times? A good person who has an evil side? Were they always planning to hurt you and everything else was a lie? Did they really love you but just flipped into psychotic mode?) If it were simple and straight forward it wouldn’t be nearly as traumatic.

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            • Dont want to tell

              Beautifully put.

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            • Amandarose

              I know exactly what you mean. People often view this things simply without looking at the complicated, emotional big picture life really is.

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        • heavenlyhev

          Althought I don’t agree with some of your other comments, I do agree with “Suppressing these animals names tells the children what has happened to them is shameful, it should be made clear to them it’s NOT their shame, it’s the paedophile’s shame.”

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      • susan

        @ another anon. More fool you then. :(

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        • Another anon

          So you are calling my 6 year old self a “fool”? Because I loved my father? Really?

          And what other inane comments do you make to children to raise their self esteem?

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        • Another anon

          And I notice that you use the word “if”.

          So you are talking to people with this actual experience, knowing exacty how you would react in those circumstances that you have never been subjected to.

          I doubt that the moderator would let my actual response to this stand.

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        • Amandarose

          it makes me angry when people like Susan tell people how they should feel and reacte to a situation they know nothing about.
          Anonymous told a person story with real insight into a common situation and your bagging her.
          Really not very nice

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  8. Anonymous

    If we announce information about convicted murderers, thieves, people who commit white coller crime, why don we hide information about pedophiles. Given the statistics, it appears pedophiles are very unlikely to be rehabilitated. Most offend over long period, with several victims, the majority also reoffend when they’re released from jail.

    If they’re worried about protection, keep them in jail. We need to protect the most vulnerable in our society and not the pedophiles.

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  9. Whilliax

    I should tell you a bit about myself too, I suppose! So, my name is Michael and I’m the websites manager. Being the forum manager involves managing the websites (surprise!) and supporting the users and our moderation staff. I worked with blog as a moderator from 2007-2009 after becoming blogs Manager and, before that, was the owner of a few fan-websites for online games and the like.

    cause of cancer

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    • S

      Thanks Whilliax, I was wondering what you did for a living.

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  10. Nic73

    My answer to paedophiles- don’t let them out. I am all for paying for crimes, but, paedophiles have a mental illness, and unless this is cured, I DO NOT want them anywhere around my children. I consider myself a liberal person, but we are too weak when sentencing those who commit the most heinous of crimes. These victims will never get their innocence back, some unfortunately, will become sexual abusers themselves. This is a no-brainer. Leave them in jail. There is no other way.

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  11. Bluebird

    Karma has a way of biting you in the but! I bet this guy never anticipated the huge outcry from society and the media attention that has come from him trying to protect his identity. Perfect irony.

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  12. LozfromOz

    As I understand it, the big reason for not ‘naming and shaming’ pedophiles is that there are laws to protect the identity of the victim when they are underage. By saying this man raped his stepdaughter, or a grandad molested a grandchild, that is essentially giving the victim’s identity out too, which lets the rest of the world know what has happened to them. That’s why the suppression orders exist, it’s supposed to be protecting the victim from further shame or harassment. It would be good if there was a way of identifying the perpetrator fully, but only saying that he assaulted a child of xx age in xx year in xx location etc. That way the victim is protected but everyone still knows who the pedophile is.

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    • susan

      Then let the abused KNOW that it’s NOT their shame! only then can these kids walk with their heads up.
      Suppressing the abuser’s name only verifies to the child that the whole thing was shameful..it was…but they are not shamed one’s.

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      • Anonymous

        @ Susan – it is the victim’s choice. Letting us know it’s not our shame is great, but it is still a deeply personal matter that many do not want the public to know. That is a burden many don’t want to carry.

        Just as, for example, breast cancer survivors are often quite open about their experience and status as a ‘breast cancer survivor’ others want to keep this status private. This is true, too, of the sexual abuse ‘survivor’.

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  13. tanlee

    I vote for: No. Suppression. Ever.

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    • Dont want to tell

      It should be the victim’s decision.

      Not yours. No matter how strongly you feel, only they know how they feel.

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  14. Tracy

    I ran into my across-the-street neighbour who let her 5yo daughter and 7yo son walk about 200m away from her to a public toilet which was out of her sign while she put her groceries through the checkout. I saw them and stood watching inside the parent room right outside the toilet door and then made sure they were safely back to mum before going home myself… a lady I used to work with let her son hang out for 6yrs at his best mate’s house four doors up the street only to find out later that all that time the young boy was being abused by his father and her own had been at risk almost daily. I get pissed off at parents laziness and stupidity. Your children are YOUR responsibility – don’t be dumb.

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    • Nic73

      Don’t blame the parents! My god- we cannot keep our children in a bubble! We should have the right to feel safe in our community- you have now made the victim and her family the wrong doers! Shame on you. I have done the same- don’t think you can “save’ child by vigilence.

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  15. Bec

    This is so hard.
    On one hand I respect and understand the need to obey laws.
    But on the other I just can’t see why these despicable people deserve the protection of the law after what they did.

    The victims will never be able to erase what happened. So why should the perpetrators be able erase their crimes by assuming a new identity or life in a new community?

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  16. Ella

    an offence like pedophilia is so deeply evil that it will have lasting effects on the lives of ALL involved. it is an incredibly complex issue and i dont believe there is one blanket policy that will solve all the problems. individuals need to be treated individually. i don’t believe pedophilia is like other ‘sexual preferences’, you are not born with this kind of attraction, it generally forms from some kind of deep personal damage, often abuse. some pedophiles are remorseful and want to rehabilitate and i believe they should be given an opportunity to, but under careful supervision with strict guidelines that keep the public safe. there will never be a simple or easy way to handle this situation. case-by-case

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  17. melissasavage

    This case upset me so much. The poor girl was basically abandoned by her own mother and siblings as they sided with this creep. And the first judge didn’t release his name because his poor little multi-million dollar business might suffer. He should fucking suffer. Look at what he’s caused.

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    • Nicki

      Sadly, it’s not uncommon for a mother to do that.

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      • Anonymous

        My mother did it in my case.

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  18. Kate!

    A significant proportion of sex offenders were sexually abused as children. I wonder how those who are advocating mutilating and branding convicted sex offenders would feel if someone they loved developed depraved tendencies after an abusive childhood. Personally if someone touched my kid Id want them dead – but I would also hope to be capable of less base emotions, once I had time to think rationally.

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    • Catherine

      Your comment reminds me of a conversation I had with my mum a few years ago, about the death penalty. It was when Van Nguyen was about to be executed and a lot of people were using the argument, “well he could have trafficked drugs that would kill someone else’s child.”

      Mum said, “you know, even if one of you died because of that, I don’t know that I’d want him to be executed. Because I wouldn’t want to inflict what I was going through on his mother too.”

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    • Tracy

      Kate, this is actually not true. For a long time people thought it was but after some time of people speaking out it turns out that most people who are sexually abused are staunchly opinionated against sex offenders, especially child sex offenders. Your info is outdated, with respect, pls stop perpetrating this myth.

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  19. Shane

    Castration is the best way to stop a sexual urge.

    It’s funny that I despise the death penalty under all circumstances, yet I’d be quite happy to see this man’s testicles hanging from the fence.

    Does that make me wierd?

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  20. anon

    I believe you cannot rehabilitate a pedophile. Children are their sexual preference. They must be permanently removed from society because you cannot change a persons sexual preference.

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    • Faybian

      Where to though? If you wish to remove them from society, then you have to put them somewhere and pay for their upkeep. Unless you want to kill them……

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      • Guest

        Chemical castration doesn’t work. Even actually removing a penis doesn’t work (try not to use your imagination too much). Women offenders seem to do better than men because they are not biologically ruled by sex. (Not being sexist, but real.) I have a close friend in psych who says it is practically impossible to rehabilitate a real child sex offender… I do not agree with the death penalty, but I agree with children being safe more than my disagreement of that. Tough one.. but when you look into the eyes of an abused child – less tough.

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  21. Rayn

    I think this is a very timely reminder to us all that what we really need to focus on is empowering our children with the knowledge that it isn’t ok for anyone to put them in a situation that violates their physical or emotional boundaries. To make sure they know it’s not ok for anyone to touch them in a way that makes them uncomfortable..not even if it is someone who should be considered ‘safe’….mum, dad, brother, sister, aunt, uncle or any other family member.

    The only way we as parents can do that is to have the conversation….yes it can be awkward and challenging but we can’t avoid this essential communication with our children if we want to keep them safe.

    I can see the argument for ‘naming and shaming’ but my concern is it brings up a whole legal minefield and may not really go that far to keeping our children that much safer. Yes, you’ll know about the high-profile case of the convicted offender down the street, but will that help us in protecting our children against someone else equally dangerous but not yet convicted?

    Or will it just give us a false sense of security?

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    • redqueen

      Empowering doesn’t help when your own family are in denial about what is happening. My mother made all the right noises about this subject and yet still turned a blind eye to what was being done to her kids. The truth for her was just too horrible to face.

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    • archie

      It is fundamentally unfair to place the burden of protection on the child. Sure, “have the conversation”, educate them, empower them, that’s fine, but make sure, that if your kid is abused despite their “training” they know it’s still NOT their fault. Because the only thing worse than an abused kid, is an abused kid who blames themselves. It can be bloody hard to speak up.

      And as for naming and shaming, try this analogy. If you had 40 abandoned mine shafts in your back yard, and only half were marked, would you pull down the signs you did have, to prevent a “false sense of security”? Or would you count it as a good start and go from there?

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      • anon today

        Thank you, agree!

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    • anon today

      Empowering your children with the information is GOOD. Letting them know they have the right to say no is GOOD. That they own their bodies GOOD. All the right talks and conversations GOOD. BUT, with all that information does not make them “molestation proof”. It happened in our family, by a family “friend”, everyone loved him, a good community member, a good father, a good husband, a good honest worker! He was a very clever manipulator, an opportunist, he blended in, no different to my father, uncles, brothers he did not stand out. The fact that he was so ordinary and well liked made it difficult for his victim to speak out. All the more guilt was felt by her because she was told about paedophiles, she was told about saying no, she was told about owning her own body….. Very difficult to put an old head on young shoulders. The fact that the evil opportunistic predator told her that it was her fault and that no one would believe her only added to her guilt. Remember a family member saying “I don’t understand why you did not say no, you know it was not right for him to do that, we’ve talked about that” making her feel more guilty, disgusting and unworthy. Lock them up, don’t let them out. Where do you put them? Don’t know. Where do you find the money? Don’t know…..protect their indentity… NO! They rob a little boy or girl of their dignity, self confidence and take away their potential, their spirit. Until someone comes along and tells them it is not their fault.

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      • Rayn

        I have to apologise for any offence I may have caused…I agree wholeheartedly that the responsibility should not lie with the child protecting themselves. It is a bigger issue that that, I merely meant to point out how important it is that all children are educated about the issue. I understand there are situations where it won’t always make a difference, but yes, in some situations being informed, does save children from ongoing abuse because they know what is happening isn’t right and they tell a trusted adult.

        And as for the comment about the mine shafts in the back garden…I 100% agree that there is merit in ‘signposting’ the ones we know about because it’s a good start. I was merely trying to point out that on the flip side, I hope it doesn’t lure people into forgetting about what they cannot see just because it isn’t sign posted.

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  22. whatahooha

    My view is very medieval. I think a distinctive tattoo or brand – frinstance on the back of the hand – would be a very appropriate option.
    Useful for people who are actually around the nasty person, and so in actual harm’s way, or in a position to protect the children – neighbours, relatives, kids’ friends and their friends’ parents.
    No western government will ever have the guts to do this – I’m sure it would be seen as a violation of the perp’s rights. However the victim will carry scars for the rest of their lives.

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  23. Amandarose

    That Louis guy on ABC did a documentary about his stay in a rehabilitation prison for sex criminals. Interesting viewing. It cover issues such as releasing sex criminals, rehabilitation, castration etc and I found it very interesting to watch

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  24. anon today

    i am aware of a convicted paedophile who changed his name. i am not sure if this is illegal?

    he now goes under the name [REDACTED]. he is on facebook and i have reported to facebook that he is a convicted paedophile. they apparently have a rule that sex offenders are not allowed to have accounts. they have ignored my emails. the fact that he has changed his name, which is not dissimilar to his original name, means they could not trace back through media reports etc.

    as this person has changed their name, do they lose their right to anonymity? (if not, maybe this post should be deleted).

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  25. Hmmm

    Ok, I sincerely believe convicted sex offenders should have their lower arms amputated and a tattoo of the offence placed on their forehead… They wont be able to use their arms to gratify their perverted thoughts… And everyone will be aware of them… Saves money on jail terms, they are never going to be rehabilitated… Serious crime calls for serious consequences.

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    • girly

      Then they’d be a burden on society because they couldn’t take care of themselves without arms. Just tattoo the offence on their forehead. :)

      Or even castration.

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      • Hmmm

        That is their problem…the burden we already bear?

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  26. jb expat

    As a relatively new mother (16 month old little boy)…all I really want to know is how do I protect my little boy…this is said with a very serious tone – HOW DO I PROTECT HIM?/EDUCATE HIM ON WHAT TO DO IF APPROACHED?/TEACH HIM HOW TO PROTECT HIMSELF?

    I’m on the verge of being physically ill reading all the horrible stories of abuse below – the tip of the iceberg as the saying goes. Honestly, wearing “mother blinders”, I don’t care about any of these people’s rights – just tell me, how do I do my very very best to make sure this never happens to the one person in this world I am entirely responsible for and who relies on me (us – his parents) for absolutely everything…if naming and shaming helps me do this in even a tiny tiny way then name and shame! but I know there is also more than this….I just have to figure out what needs to be done to protect my little innocent boy as all children should be protected.

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    • G.J.

      My advice?

      Don’t leave your little guy with anyone you don’t know and trust implicitly until he’s old enough to stand up for himself.

      As he gets older, speak with him frankly about the dangers. Teach him to “yell and tell”.

      Be a protective mama bear. Let your social circle and family know that your little boy is your life and you’d do anything to protect him.

      Predators go after east targets. They are cowards.

      Say no to sleepovers until you’re confident he is mature, responsible, and bold enough to protect himself should he need to.

      I know there is a balance between protective and over-protective, but if I were to err to far to one side or the other, I know which I’d prefer.

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      • Anon

        Totally agree with G.J. I’d also add that I’ve made a comment below about a teacher at my sons’ school who was arrested for involvement in a child porn ring. I would NEVER have picked him. He didn’t target my boys but if he had I would have inadvertently given him access – and I’m the most protective mother bear around. It is sooooo dangerous.

        After raising my older children and getting them through unscathed by these filthy animals, I find myself even more protective of my surprise baby. I’ve made the decision that she won’t be having sleepovers at all. She also sleeps with me if her brothers friends are staying over. Gorgeous boys and I’d say that there would be about a one in a billion chance that they might abuse her. Those odds are too high for me.

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        • G.J.

          You sound like a very wise mother, anon :)

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    • whatahooha

      There is a course called Protective Behaviours which you can do. Our playgroup organised it for all the parents and the information provided was excellent.

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      • jb expat

        thanks for the info and suggestions!

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    • archie

      Read “protecting the gift” by Gavin de Becker.

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    • JosieY

      Education, education, education. For yourself and your son. Try ‘Everyone’s got a bottom” from the Family Planning Association and later “It’s Not the Stork”.

      http://www.amazon.com/Its-Not-Stork-Families-Friends/dp/0763600474

      http://www.fpq.com.au/publications/teachingAids/everyones_got_a_bottom.php

      Teach your son the right words for his body. Teach him that no one (including you) can touch it without his consent. Keep the doors of communication open about all topics even if you’re super uncomfortable with it.

      Good luck!

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    • Kane

      I just finished my second day working in child protection and I can honestly say that I’m terrified of the day I have a child and need to put him/her in the care of a stranger.

      The tips people have already listed are excellent places to start.

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  27. G.J.

    Yep, stats show that true rehabilitation is exceedingly rare. These people re-offend. They just do.

    I hate that their privacy needs to be sacrificed, but the welfare of children is more important. I value their safety more than a pedophiles privacy.

    Its a shame, but I’m with Darren Hinch on this one.

    That said, the whole problem would be greatly reduced if they got decent sentences to being with. 18 months for raping a child? what a bloody joke.

    And ok, I know this is shocking, but I honestly wouldn’t have a problem with castration for proven repeat offenders. JMO

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    • Anon

      I have no problem with castrating them, in fact I’d go so far as to say it’s a job I’d derive great satisfaction from.

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    • Valentina

      Lock them up for life. Community safety is worth the cost. Experts in the field admit that the vast majority cannot be rehabilitated, so keeping them in a facility for life really is the only solution.

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  28. Anonysomething

    I had a best friend when I was 12 who accused her step father of sexual abuse. He was a stand up member of the community and an allround nice guy. I’d even stayed at her house many times, so it was all a shock. Anyway this case got a lot of attention and his name was all over the media at the time. One day she spoke to me about what she had done, she was angry at him and missed her dad and wanted to get rid of him, but didn’t think it would result in so much furore. She wanted to come clean, but was too scared what would happen to her. Skip to the end of this story, he was murdered in prison by someone who never got caught. So he is an innocent guy murdered and the public will always believe he was a paedophile. I felt sick for a long time about what to do with this information, but there was nothing I could do that felt right. I still think about this almost every day 30 years later and it haunts me. I lost contact with the girl after high school, I think that she wanted it that way, seeing me was a tough thing for her.

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    • Amandarose

      What a horror of a story. I think that is why these crimes are so difficult to deal with.
      Firstly there is who to believe, difficult. then the hysteria around child abuse and the media frenzy.
      It is good child abuse is so socially unacceptable, but sometimes the over hysteria makes the victims feel more damaged then they already are. I will not tell people I have been sexually abused as experience has shown me it leads to people assuming your damaged and gossiping about it as it is so”terrible”. And this reaction makes your feel like your less- like your are now damaged goods and that is where the feeling of shame comes from.

      I can never articulate what I mean exactly- but I just wish people would focus less on assuming people will forever be damaged and have had a major trauma when at the time as a 4 year old it doesn’t feel like that. More annoying and uncomfortable and irritating then a deep sense of total damage. That feeling comes when your older and people tell you that your are damaged and your are a mess and your should be some how less because this has happened. I hate pity and people assuming they know how I feel and admitting to such a history makes people see you differently like your carrying something heavy forever I. Your damaged soul.

      Does anyone get what I mean? It is complicated and I guess each person is different but for me as someone who was abused for several years as a small child the hysteria makes me feel worse then the actual crime does.

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      • Faybian

        Yes, I do. A close family member was sexually assaulted as a child and we took her straight to the doctors when we eventually found out. He saw this child a couple of times and put our family in touch with a counsellor, but cautioned the family not to “make more of it than it was”. It was the best advice I’ve ever heard. Decisions on what to do about the perpetrator were also a family decision (child included). As this person has grown, some help has been sought, in regards to counseling, but now lives a full, happy life and hasn’t told many people.

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      • Dont want to tell

        I am with you Amandarose.

        I was assaulted when I was 10. Not really, really badly – but badly enough.

        I have never told anyone. And I very rarely think about it. It only comes back when I read certain articles. And I am not damaged. I believe that I am not damaged because I know that it was not my fault. Just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

        Maybe there are some unfortunate side effects that I am not aware of but my ex probably did more damage.

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        • I agree

          I actually agree too. I was sexually assaulted as an adult and went to court over it. He was acquitted, and the trial (two years later) was the most harrowing experience of my life (it went for three weeks).

          The assault, the trial, the legal system – it has become this huge event in my life, a huge ongoing drama that has partly shaped and defined me.

          I often wonder if I would ever even think about the actual assault itself any more if it had been limited to the 20 minutes in which it occured.

          Yes, I’m glad I stop up for myself and made him accountable for his actions (even though he wasn’t convicted). But does that make all the pain and trauma, time and fear worth it? I’m really not sure.

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          • Dont want to tell

            The judicial system can suck.

            I remember being told by a judge that he was tired of “wicked ex-wives telling wicked lies”. The fact that there were 3 of us “wicked ex-wives” telling the same story seemed to make little difference to him.

            We did get some satisfaction in knowing that his family now had the full story, that social security had a fat file on him, and that the woman that he was engaged to (yes, another one) left him.

            Vindication can come in strange ways. But denial is still a great place to live.

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      • archie

        I was sexually abused, long term, as a kid by my father.

        I don’t think I’m that damaged, but at the same time I don’t want to minimize what happened, or give pedophiles an excuse to abuse others by citing my case as a positive outcome. It was horrible at the time, it is still horrible that I don’t have a decent father, but I got over it. Life goes on. Repression and forgetfulness is a blessing, really.

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        • Amandarose

          I think that is part of what I am trying to articulate. I don’t want to minimise as it is wrong but nor do I want people’s perception that this is such a terrible thing to happen your life is irreversibly damaged. In some cases it might be but I would hazard a guess these people are also damaged by a range of other issues regarding their life in general.

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          • archie

            If that stats previously stated are correct, and 25% of girls are abused, then there are lot of people out there who have successfully survived abuse and gone on to have relatively normal lives.

            (But that’s not an excuse to stop fighting pedophilia. Plenty of people get hit by cars and survive but we still need pedestrian crossings.)

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            • Amandarose

              exactly what I wanted to say.

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      • Anonymous

        I totally understand what you mean! I’ve had that experience too.

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    • MaidenD

      I had a shitty relationship with my stepdad growing up too but this kind of malice would have never entered my head. What a disgusting thing to do to someone.

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    • Anonymous

      The majority of these cases though are not lies. This is even more so when the child is under 10. Children just don’t lie about this sort of thing.

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      • Dont want to tell

        If you think that children don’t lie you should read about the Kern County child abuse cases in the USA.

        Just saying.

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    • Peter

      Anonysomething’s tragic story and http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8446418/woman-admits-she-lied-about-father-raping-her make me wonder – what if Peter Versi is innocent (I’m not saying her is)?

      A case for his innocence, even after conviction, could be:
      (1) Because the charges are horrible, many of us tend to assume guilt.
      (2) That photo of the poster at the bus stop near the end of page 2 of these Comments worries me. I can think of 2 other recent Sydney cases involving accusing posters on Sydney streets created by aggrieved people – both cases resulted in Not Guilty verdicts.
      (3)Your photo of Peter Versi. At a recent trivia quiz, about 100 of us were given 16 pictures while the scores were tallied – put your hands on your head for Non Serial Killer and hands on your bottom for Serial Killer (pics of Bundy, Dahmer, celebs 20 years ago etc). I thought I’d do well as I’ve been learning how to identify key facial features in this field in recent years, and I was the only person to get all 16 right. So, although I will not admit to being an expert at this, I may have some expertise, and I think he doesn’t look like he’s guilty. Wild speculation, I know.

      The case for his guilt might have been affected by emotional factors –
      I don’t know how strong the case was, but the light sentence might suggest it wasn’t overwhelming. I’m just saying – you never know. Keep an open mind – the legal system is not perfect. And – bad luck – you cannot Thumbs Down me on Mamamia.

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  29. Chantelle

    As a mum of 2 young children, I cringe at the thought that these animals are protected and my children are left to be future victims.
    Lock them up for good or remove the bodily organ/parts that harm their victims.

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  30. Jess in Melbourne

    If we are so concerned about them reoffending that we NEED to know their name, why are they released at all?

    We can’t have it both ways..

    Either they are rehabilitated and have a right to privacy, or they aren’t and they shouldn’t be released.

    The level of vitriol hurled at past offenders IS the very reason why their privacy needs to be protected.

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    • Anonymous

      but this is just the thing, majority of us DO NOT want to take justice into our own hands with these people, we just want to know where we should NOT let our children work, play or stay.
      The US names majority of their pedophiles, and the system works well – it is a criminal offence to harm these people, but the community is informed so they can protect their families and make education decisions about whom they let into their childrens lives…
      It is the children we need to protect not the pedophiles identity!

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      • trixie melodian

        “The US names majority of their pedophiles, and the system works well”

        No, it really doesn’t. When Megan’s Law was introduced in the US, the number of convicted sex offenders who faced unceasing harassment upon their release, and subsequently went underground, changing their name, moving to a new state or hiding their identity increased dramatically.

        So instead of remaining in the system, perhaps having to report to a parole officer, receiving court-ordered counselling and regular monitoring, they are living under an assumed name, completely off the grid, in a high-stress environment (a very strong trigger for reoffending).

        There is also no distinction of the kind of crimes committed on the register. An 18 year old who had consensual sex with his girlfriend the week before she turns 16 is listed just the same as a serial child rapist. He will face the same abuse and violence, he will be less likely to find a job and face constant discrimination.

        Naming released offenders here in Australia is very likely to lead to a similar scenario.

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  31. Anon

    I detest pedophiles with every fibre of my being. I have no mercy for them and I think that life behind bars with bread and water is far more than they deserve.

    Having said that, an associate has confided that her husband has been accused of abusing a young girl decades ago. This woman’s life and that of her family has been turned upside down for a crime she says he had no opportunity to commit. His step-children are outraged and are standing by him, saying that he never once touched them and has been a model father. This woman has no doubt that the accuser was abused but she says that the girl’s uncle bears a striking resemblance to her husband and she suspects it may have been him. Either way, this is a family in turmoil, facing financial ruin and emotional breakdown and even when he’s cleared, mud sticks.

    For this reason, I have decided that sleep overs are a thing of the past in my house.

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  32. Tulip

    I find these people so disgusting that I cannot respect any of their rights. I vote we ship them all off to remote island.

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  33. poppy

    Perhaps the problem here is in the way media reports these crimes. Generally names are suppressed by the court in the first place to protect the victim of a crime, as often they are easily identifiable. This sets up a paradox where the media can report someone’s heinous crime (“man rapes his step-daughter”) but in being able to report the heinous NATURE of the crime, they can’t report who actually did it. Perhaps if victims were only identified in the media as being male of female and their age (unless of course they want to be identified), it would free the courts up to not suppress the identity of the perpetrator and therefore free the media up to “name and shame”. Am I being hopelessly naive? Interesting to hear what other people think.
    I understand what people are saying about giving people a second chance etc and certainly there are some circumstances where we should take that into account, but generally speaking I don’t believe those who inflict such suffering on others deserve protection.

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  34. Belinda

    I believe you forgo your own ‘human rights’ when you so inhumanely violate the rights of a child in this way.

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    • Jess in Melbourne

      You can’t forgo Human Rights.

      They are inalienable.

      No matter, who you are, or what you do.. You have Human Rights from the second you are born, until the second you die.

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      • Alice

        No you don’t Jess – in no way. Not legally and not theoretically. Your country has to sign a human rights treaty and then legally enact it with domestic legislation.

        The idea of human rights is certainly something many people wish was universal, but it’s not an innate thing – they’re human-created. And in different countries and cultures the rights that citizens feel should be obvious and basic will change according to their customs and cultures.

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    • clingingontocalm

      You do forego some rights when you are imprisoned. Freedom, autonomy, right to vote in some instances. As someone said, there is also the risk that they were wrongly convicted- in which case losing these rights is an incredible restriction on life.

      For people released its fairly inhumane to then deny them further rights. Slippery slope. For those imprisoned reasoning is they had paid their debt to society. If we restrict rights of peds upon release do we also restrict rights of murderers, rapists, robbers etc when released. Would this influence likelihood of reoffending etc.

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  35. Zara

    I have no problem whatsoever seeing these criminals publicly outed. People who have done the ‘wrong’ thing get hounded by the media all the time (just turn on ACA or Today Tonight) & most of them haven’t done even a fraction of damage these peadophiles have done.
    Why are we protecting these people?
    They forfieted the right to privacy when they took advantage of our most vulnerable – our children. And if anything – we as s society need to know who to steer clear of.
    Personally, I think it’s appalling that a man convicted of raping an 11 year-old gets eighteen MONTHS jail. I mean, seriously?! That girl may spend eighteen YEARS of her life trying to move on from this ordeal.
    So this guy goes to jail for 1.5yrs, gets out & due to privacy laws can continue on with his life as normal? FFS!!!! Argh!!!

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  36. redqueen

    They should be named and shamed. I made my ex step father’s worst nightmare come true when I decided to stop being silent. I rang everyone my family knew and told them exactly what he’d done to me, my sister and some other girls. He’s never been sorry for what he did and I had no problem with outing him.

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    • G.J.

      You are so brave.

      If someone in my family was a child molester, I’d want to know it.

      Good on you!

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    • Shane

      You go girl!!

      The best thing you can do is to cease being silent.

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  37. snowhite

    Very interesting reading.

    The right of society to know about criminals’ pasts outweighs a criminal’s ‘right’ to rejoin a community with a ‘clean slate’, in my opinion.

    People have the right to judge others on their actions (friends, family, co-workers, strangers/celebrities), and they do everyday, whether it be wrong or right to do so. Why should criminals be above everyone else, and be exempt from societal judgement based on their actions?

    That said, would it be better to ask the victims whether they want a perpetrator named? The perpetrator took the victims’ choices away in committing a crime against them, it would then seem fair that the choice as to whether to name or protect the identity of a criminal, should rest with the victim.

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  38. Sari

    My mum always told me “Don’t do anything you’re ashamed of”.

    If you don’t want people to know you’re a paedophile, then don’t be one.

    It’s simplistic but it’s fair.

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    • clingingontocalm

      Simplistic but probably (sadly) not realistic. Also think there is a trend that people who were abused becomes abusers themselves which is a whole other issue.

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      • Sari

        Hmmm, yes, fair point about them being caught in a cycle…

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      • anon

        People who have been abused are no more likely to become abuser than anyone else. Your statement is untrue and insulting to those who have been abused.

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  39. Amandarose

    Nothing in life is black and white. especially crimes committed 30 years ago. especially when they are hard to prove.
    the courts do their best but the reality most sexual abuse is not reported and it is so common chasing the few high profile people and hounding them takes your eyes off where the real risks are. The people close to you. all we can do is minimise our own personal risks and watch our children for signs.

    The other week in the story about bathing with kids I pointed out 25 % of girls are sexually abused and people bagged me. Seems the senior lecturer in psychiatry is has the same information as me.

    So I disagree without hounding people who have served time and possibly moved on with their lives. Just watch your own family and keep them safe as it is all you can do.

    I have two pedophile brothers who have never been reported and I certainly will not ever do it- What is the point? At the time they were young hormone filled teen agers and we were there as easy targets. I really don’t think they are a risk to anyone now. I did tell their case worker( both severely mentally I’ll these days( karma?) as I feel they should not be living around kids and if they have relationships I wanted to make sure they do not have young children.

    But I would hate them to be hounded by people who have not been affected by their crimes. Nature has delt them a severe blow with schizophrenia and I would be appalled if people who do not know them vilified them.

    I have forgiven them and still see them occasionally and talk on the phone from time to time.

    People are multi dimensional and all have good and bad in them and making someone entire worthiness of compassion based on a past crime is not fair.

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    • anon today!

      Being a hormal-fuelled teenager surrounded by “easy targets” somehow justifies their actions?? That is so twisted in my opinion. Everyone is a hormonal teenager at some point. That doesn’t translate into paedophilia unless you are a sick sick person.

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      • Amandarose

        Not saying it was a valid excuse just saying that I doubt now they are 40 something, dosed to the eye balls with clozapine and risperidone that I really don’t think they will hunt down the neighbood kids or kid nap children. I would hazard guess most of this stuff happens in situations like mine- young kids and paedophiles with easy access. I my case they were much older half brothers.

        I don’t think most paedophiles hunt kids- they just take advantage of situations of trust. Unfortunatly that normally means family.

        We are all grown up now and they are not 16 years old any more and I feel mostly nothing towards them with a bit of pity and compassion as they really have had terrible lives especially the older one who has been very unwell with schizophrenia since he was 18. The other one has spent years in and out of jail and both have rather lonely, unproductive lives.

        I on the other hand may have had some bad experiences as a child but I also had plenty of good ones and I have a great family, career and life now. I don’t need they pity they do.

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        • elixr

          That is a tragic story, I am sorry that you had to go through it and I am so amazed by how positively you seem to be able to view your experiences.

          You illustrate, I think, one of the biggest trends in sexual abuse that people tend to forget: acts of abuse are generally committed by people known to the victim, be it a relative, family friend, or teacher etc.

          I think we need to equip our kids to know what inappropriate behaviour is, how to (hopefully) escape a dangerous situation, and most importantly, that they can ALWAYS tell somebody if something is happening.

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        • sharons

          Hi amandarose,

          I appreciate your story and your opinion. I have a question. You say that “you highly doubt they would do it again” but what if they did? Is your opinion maybe skewed?

          What if they did somehow manage to commit the same crime? Maybe even your own children (if you have children)?

          Also, you mention they are both dosed up on antipsychotics however what if they were to stop taking them and relapsed?

          I’m honestly just asking what your opinion would be if this was to happen?

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          • Amandarose

            Well I can’t stop them doing anything. But until last year my eldest brother was in a supervised home( like a uni dorm except with nurses and activities organised and food and drugs handed out) but now he lives in a housing commission flat by him self. My family fought this as we felt he wouldn’t cope but they closed down the place he lived. Now nurses dish out his pills twice a day and he goes to activities at a facility for people like him during the day.

            I cannot garantee he will not do any thing but taking him to court wouldn’t either. especially considering the only witness was my mum who is dead and he is severely mentally unwell and I was 4.
            The other brother is not a treatment order and has risperidone shots via a court order. He lives with his elderly father and does not live near or see children.

            I am not a judge or a court and I cannot do or feel any inclination to prosecute my brothers. I will not be made to feel guilty about it. Would you like me to shove posters all around town stating what happened nearly 30 years ago?

            As for my own children- do you really think I would let them near them? I might have forgiven them but I am not stupid.

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      • Miss

        It happened to her, her feelings about it are not ‘twisted’.

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    • ellebelle

      Wouldn’t the ‘point’ of reporting your brothers be to protect other young children for what they did to you? The excuse that they were just ‘hormone filled’ doesn’t fly in my book. There is a line between being hormone filled and acting on those hormones with a relative. This doesn’t even enter most people’s brains. Thanks god I have never been the victim of sexual abuse, but I do know of someone who was sexually abused by her brother and her family just brushed it under the carpet and she is still screwed up about this.

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      • Amandarose

        They are no threat and how do you prove these things anyway. What would be the point. They are supervised as they both have the state as guardians who are aware of their history. It is in their mental health records and I really do not feel any need to make anything more of it then it was. They are both also heavily drugged on psych meds so I really do feel they are not a threat now they do not have young children at access. I do not condone their past but it happened, it is not happening now and what would it achieve? Nothing.

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      • Amandarose

        About your friend- It is typical for family to brush it under the carpet as they do not want to deal with the reality.
        My Mum caught my brother and it stopped( then a few years later the other one started). And I told her about brother number 2 as an adult. She refused to believe me and so did my dad. It pissed me off but now I have my own family and I love both my kids it would destroy me if my daughter ever said my son did things to her. You love both your children no matter what and I think parents in this situations use denial to cope.
        Once I got my head around that concept I was ok with it. My parents love my sister and I but my mum also felt a need to be their for my very unwell brothers as they have no one else.

        It wasn’t till my mum died that I really had much to do with my brothers again as we all sat by her bed while she was on life support.
        Then one apologised and I really felt much better for it and I have well and truly let it all go.

        The past does not have to define the future.

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  40. Anonymous

    People are concerned about having a convicted pedophile living in their midst, the problem with this scenario is that that they probably have a family member or close friend who is a pedophile and just hasn’t been caught. It isn’t the spiders sunning themselves we need to worry about, its the ones hiding under their rocks.
    I think if the woman in this case wanted her stepfather named and shamed she should have had that option.

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  41. Catherine

    I won’t comment on whether I believe rehabilitation works (because I’m not a professional in the field, nor have I spoken to one). But I think one aspect of this debate that is often forgotten is the rights of the offender’s family. When a criminal’s identity is made public like this, it’s also often their parents, children, siblings, nieces and nephews etc who experience the consequences.

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  42. Mooner

    Woah. This is a tough one. I don’t have any answers.

    However, I am horrified to learn that 1/4 girls and up to 1/8 boys are sexually assaulted. That is high. Is that the Australian rate? (I’m talking about the quote from Dr William Glaser)

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  43. clingingontocalm

    Many pedophiliac crimes are committed by people close to the victim so in a way, a rationale for not realising the name of the offender is to protect the victim from being identified. Not for the offender’s sake but for the privacy and protection of the victim.

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    • Mooner

      I hadn’t thought of this but it is a good point. If the paedophile’s name is released along with the information that they sexually assulted their – say – daughter, it’s going to be pretty easy to identify the victim. Good point.

      Surely in these cases the paedophile’s name would be suppressed if the victim requested it, even if the law allowed them to be named? Or does the victim have no say?

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      • clingingontocalm

        I think it most cases the judge says in court to the reporters present, that the name of the accused and any identifying information is confidential and not to be released from the court. It is then up to the journos if the name is released, or if it is leaked to the press. Can’t close court in such cases generally (principle of open justice) so judge can only request that name is not released via court reporters.

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  44. Speaking from experience

    I am currently experiencing a situation at the moment where someone I care about is going through the courts on a child sex offence – that is, an internet offence. On the scale of things, it’s on the low end. Because his name wasn’t suppressed and “details” have been slowly leaked through the media, how could we ever expect that he would receive a fair trial from an impartial jury when people have made their judgements already? Our lives (and many around us) have been ruined and we have been through enough from this presumption of guilt. If there was a suppression of his name, then he would still have been able to work and maintain a normal life for the years this has been going on and once he is found not guilty (I pray for this every day) it would all just go away. But now, we have to suffer with this forever. Trial by media. It’s appalling. So there are many sides to this story!

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    • anthonysherratt

      The law of subjudice is supposed to prevent anything other than the name and the offence being published. But sadly we’re seeing an age where other details often come out and it does indeed throw into question how fair some trials can be.

      Your case raises an interesting point though – what if he’s innocent? Surely the presumption of innocence and the potential damage to reputation means someone should be able to suppress before trial.

      Once they’re found guilty however I personally don’t think the law should afford them any protection. At that point publish and be damned.

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      • Speaking from experience

        I agree Anthony. One day this hell will be over. I have a complete lack of faith in the “justice” system after all of this.

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    • Bluebird

      I believe that this man’s identity was protected for the 4 years it took to investigate, charge, try and ultimately convict him. During this process every stone was unturned and he was most certainly presumed innocent until proven guilty, often at times leaving the victim feeling completely powerless. Even after he was convicted by a 12 person jury, despite the victim’s request to remove the suppression order, his identity was protected, all the while this man actively sought to denegrate the reputation of many who took part in the trial, including the victim and her family. Once convicted, these criminals deserve the same treatment as all other convicted offenders. In addition to a custodial sentence, part of being held accountable is to take personal responbsibility for your actions through being named/identified. Unfortunately it’s not really in a paedophile’s psyche to show remorse, guilt or regret for their actions, so many never plead guilty or actually apologise for the lifetime of pain that they cause their innocent victims. My understanding is that it is actually 1 in 3 girls and 1 in 6 boys. It is almost always someone close who has groomed their victim and in many cases their is more than one victim. Protect and love your children at all times.

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    • Luc

      I don’t know anything about this case, or your partner’s innocence or guilt. But I’m surprised by your use of the term “low end” sex offence. Are you talking about online child porn? Surely the child or children on the other end of that image might not have seen it as “low end”???

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      • Speaking from experience

        It’s a technical term. Images are graded depending on their severity. It’s on the low end of the scale as far as sex offences go. Not my personal opinion and neither of us believe it’s a victimless crime – just how it is.

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  45. Anon

    Rick, this is a question that we shouldn’t even have to ask. If their sentences reflected community sentiment then their files would be stamped ‘Never to be released.’ End of story. Hurt a child and that’s it. No rehabilitation, no chance of parole.

    One can’t help asking why the sentences are so lenient.

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  46. Alice

    Another benefit of naming paedophiles*: I think it would be useful for people to understand that rapists/paedos can be anyone.

    They don’t necessarily look creepy and dangerous. Look at Versi – he looks like anyone’s charming, loveable, safe dad.

    One of my friends recently made a comment like “you can totally tell when someone’s like that. I can read people really well, and with some people you can tell that they’re dangerous or creepy, and you just stay away”. I felt like punching her in the face. Partly because it was in response to me telling her that someone we knew had assaulted me and I was going to trial over it soon. But mainly because it’s so damn ignorant and vicitim-blaming. Like the only girls who get assaulted are the ones who are too stupid (or drunk, or slutty, or whatever) not to notice the giant neon “rapist” sign above the guys head.

    Sure, some people seem creepy and deranged. Sure, stay away from them. But I wonder how many of Versi’s step-daughter’s friends had sleepovers at his house, not realising how close they were to danger.

    The most frightening thing about rapists/paedophiles, etc is that often you have no idea that they are one.

    * I agree with the comments below that while paedos deserve to be named and shamed, the effect of this on their victims makes it a complex question.

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    • Anon

      Alice, you make a couple of good points. The reason they’re not named is to protect the child.

      Like your friend, I kind of always presume you can feel the ‘creepy.’ and sometimes you can. Having said that, a teacher at my sons’ school has recently been arrested for his involvement in a child porn ring.

      He taught them over a decade ago but at that time I would never have suspected him in a million years. If he had offered to drive my boys to sport or shown an interest in them in any way, I wouldn’t have thought twice about it.

      That’s why I have always lived by the rule of ‘Trust NO-ONE’ with your children. My older ones are grown up now, but I never left them with anyone other than my mother and my little one will never have a step-father. Ever. I don’t trust myself to be able to detect the danger and I absolutely won’t take the chance of getting it wrong.

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      • archie

        I’m in the “no stepfather” club too. If something happened to my husband, there won’t be another man in me and my girls lives until the littlest turns eighteen. I trust no one.

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        • Jeni

          This may be a giant stereotype, but from what’s reported in the media and from personal experience from ppl I know, step-fathers have a rep for being “troublesome.” Not all of course, but I wonder why a lot of them are a bit dodgy/creepy. One I knew secretly installed a recorder in his step-daughter’s room and taped her for years getting undressed etc, watching it later, and of course the mother took his side. That’s the most frightening bit – when the mother is so blinded by love or whatever it may be, perhaps their ego is damaged from the previous marriage, that they take the husband’s side – who has sexually abused their own daughter, flesh and blood. Disgusting.

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  47. anon

    When I was in my late teens my mother worked for a government department in a position where she was privy to criminal records. She discovered by chance that there was a pedophile living two doors down from us.
    She phoned the police (keeping her identity private) to let the local police know that a member of the public was aware of a convicted pedophile living in their street. The police thanked her, looked up his name and found out that there was numerous outstanding warrants for his arrest. They swarmed the house that afternoon and back to jail he went.

    I know what mum did was not legal and some would even question the ethics of the decision she made but she felt that she wouldn’t be able to sleep at night knowing that all the neighbour’s children would be at risk, especially when he should be back in jail. She decided that if she had to chose the rights of one person only then she would chose the child.

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    • But what if

      I applaud your mother’s actions to a point, but what if he didn’t have any outstanding warrants against him? If he’d served his time isn’t he entitled to live (within any parole and legal obligations of course)?

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      • anon

        Because the State I live in requires that convicted pedophiles advise police of any change of address, he had not done this, numerous times.

        I’m not totally okaying what she did – but let it be known that the police were VERY thankful that she passed on the information.

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  48. Anon today

    Hi all. I work for a psychiatrist who does a lot of reports on sex offenders. I type the reports, so I know the backgrounds of the offenders, and the details of the offences. Some are absolutely shocking. My boss sends some of the typing off to someone else to save me from the horrors of the really gruesome cases.

    Sometimes I find myself feeling (generally after I know the background, and before I know the crimes) sorry for them. I would say the vast majority of sex offenders had a very prejudicial upbringing. (That said, a lot of people have prejudicial upbringings and don’t become sex offenders).

    I have made multiple mental notes to myself for when I have children – don’t live in certain areas, don’t allow photos of my kids to be published anywhere for public consumption, don’t trust neighbours…the list is endless. However, here in Queensland, I do feel protected by the legal system and the Dangerous Prisoners (Sexual Offenders) Act.

    My understanding of it is that anyone who is imprisoned under this act must actually apply to get out of gaol once their term is up. If they are found not to have rehabilitated, if they express no guilt or remorse, if they haven’t done the necessary programs, if there is a high risk of them re-offending, if suitable accommodation can not be found for them, if they don’t have a clear plan, then the courts will not allow them out.

    If they are allowed out, then they are subject to a Supervision Order with many conditions, sometimes around 70 different conditions. If they break any of these conditions, then they are sent back to prison. The conditions are very stringent, and parole officers check up on compliance.

    I have faith in the Queensland legal system, and that the courts, attorney-general department, prison officers, and parole board will do what is necessary to keep the public safe. I don’t think that naming and shaming them will be helpful.

    Notoriety and preconcieved opinions about certain sex offenders only means that the pool of prospective jurors is non-existant should they re-offend, and where would that leave us? With a bunch of paedophiles who are on the loose because although they committed the crime, they couldn’t get a fair trial because they are too well-known.

    Just my 2 cents :)

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    • Mooner

      A very interesting and well-informed 2 cents it was too :)

      Would you mind me asking what you mean by “don’t live in certain areas” in your notes to self for when you have children?

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      • Anon today

        Hi Mooner, I don’t really want to name specific areas or suburbs, but from what I have seen, a lot of this stuff happens in the usual suspect lower socio-economic areas and sadly, in aboriginal/TSI communities. That’s not to say that these are the only places, or that these things don’t happen in other areas. I wonder if maybe it is the cycle of prejudice that perhaps keeps people in those places or draws them to them?

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        • Anon

          When Keisha went missing I remember seeing a map of known pedophiles who lived within a 2 km radius of her house. There were red dots EVERYWHERE. I was absolutely gobsmacked that that many existed in the whole of the country, let alone in such a small area.

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    • Karli

      Hi anon-today, the Act you refer to does not allow for that kind of indefinite detention. It allows the Attorney General to request that the convicted person be further detained for a nominated period of time if there is a serious danger of them reoffending (so for community protection). If the court agrees, that person can then be held in detention (not “imprisonment” because of the double-jeopardy principle, although invariably they do actually remain in the prison which is another issue) for a specific time, say 12 more months, upon which time their release is conditional.
      There are problems with this Act. The UN Human Rights Committee has found it to be contrary to Australia’s international obligations with respect to detention that is considered arbitrary, and deprivation of liberty. Some in the the High Court bench have commented that it is unconstitutional.

      Not saying any of this is right or wrong. Just saying that no one can be held in prison and have to “apply” to “get out” – the law does not permit that, and so it shouldn’t. No matter how awful one’s crime, it’s a long held legal principle that one is only punished once for their crime.

      Given this – I would say sentencing is actually the issue. 14 years is nothing compared to the horrific-ness of sexual violence crimes.

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      • Anon today

        Thanks for the clarification on that…I do agree that it is probably unconstitutional, and my use of the words “apply to get out” were probably oversimplifying it.

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        • Karli

          all good :)
          I think it’s an incredibly emotionally charged issue – of course it would be, these are children – our children or children we once were.
          But regardless of emotions, the law gets the final say – so that’s where we should direct our frustrations. If anyone has serious concern about the law in their state on this issue, they can lobby their local member.
          At the end of the day, everyone has certain fundamental rights – whether we (you, me, whoever) like it or not, the fact of the matter is regardless of what we do, those rights always exist.

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    • Anon as well

      Hi Anon today, I also wondered what you meant by ‘don’t live in certain areas’. Can you clarify?

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  49. winkwinkmachink

    It’s such a complex issue… On the one hand, yes, they have done absolutely disgusting things and deserve to be punished… but on the other hand, when a person is sentenced to spend time in jail, that is seen as their punishment. Should they continue being punished once they have done their time?
    If there is any chance of rehabilitation, surely it is more important for society to rehabilitate the individual and gain another functioning member of society, than to continually blame and shame and alienate the person, cutting them off from the rest of the community. I don’t know.
    Recently my Dad told me of something he came across in New Zealand. My step-grandmother was having computer problems, and she said, “Hmm, maybe I’ll get the pedophile over to have a look at it, he is good with computers.”
    My Dad, shocked, said “I’m sorry, what, the pedophile?!”
    And yes, apparently, there is the neighbourhood pedophile, who is an old man, who committed his crime many years ago but only got charged much later, did his time, is now out on parole and wearing a tracking device, and everyone in the community knows about it, and their attitude is of acceptance. He’s done his time, now is trying to get his life back on track. Surely this is the best possible outcome in a case like this?
    Of course, its more complicated depending on how bad the crime was, and perhaps some individuals are not able to be rehabilitated.

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  50. rainbow

    the sentences these people get are pitiful. 18 months for raping his step daughter? that is just wrong. i say times those sentences by at least 10, and then work on their right (or lack of right) to privacy.

    can someone from the legal profession add something to this? why are the sentences so small? can anything be done?

    great post rick

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    • Caro

      It seems he was convicted of 2 counts of sexual misconduct- not rape. That would explain the paltry 18 month sentence.

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      • Peter

        If you’re right, then Rick has accused someone of rape when he did nothing of the sort, according to the courts.

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    • Caris

      It seems that most sentences laid down these days in Australia are ridiculously short. And I don’t understand these ‘truth in sentencing’ laws where they seemingly halve the sentence? I seriously don’t understand, would love to see a Mamamia article on that

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      • I think I read somewhere

        My understanding is that the system likes to have criminals released on parole so that they can continue to be monitored in society. The longer the parole time, the greater the chance of rehabilatation and the less likely they are to reoffend.

        So sometimes the actual jail time sounds short, but the actual time in the system is long.

        I can see that this would work for a lot a crimes and given that only about 10% of criminals reoffend, this must work.

        But it is not black and white. Most murderers only kill once because they kill their spouse and my personal opinion is that sexual crimes are not taken seriously enough. Which is why I am against mandatory sentencing and we have to trust judges to some degree.

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