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bali drug teen1 8 Tuesday news bites (Oct 18)

The Bali drug teenager will be processed in Kerobokan prison.

 

 

 

 

1. Bali drug teen to head to Kerobokan jail

The 14-year-old boy accused – but not yet convicted – of marijuana possession in Bali will be moved to the notorious Kerobokan prison where Schapelle Corby and the Bali 9 are housed. The lead prosecutor in the case said he would be separated from other prisoners while they decide ‘what to do with him’. It could still be a week, at least, before charges are tabled in the courts.

2. The world’s population will hit 7 billion this month

That’s a lot earlier than March next year as predicted at one stage. Rod Tiffen broke down exactly what this means over the weekend, and said it best: “It took thousands of years – from prehistory to 1960 – for humankind to reach 3 billion. But then it took only 39 years – to 1999 – to add the next 3 billion. And now it has taken just 12 more years to move from 6 to 7 billion. Growth has been so rapid that the US Population Reference Bureau estimates that about 5 per cent of all the people who have ever lived are living now.”

3. As population grows, do we want to live to be 150?

The Dean of Medicine at the University of New South Wales says the first drugs that would drastically slow the ageing process will become available in about 10 years, allowing anyone born then to live until they are 150 years old … or even older. He said a girl born today could ‘reasonably’ expect to live until she were 100 or more, with advances in medicine and technology. But growing older by itself isn’t exactly a plus. It has to be healthy and wortwhile … do you think it could be, would you want to?

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Zachary Quinto speaks up and comes out

4. Actor Zachary Quinto is gay

Just as a Public Service Announcement for the women and gay men out there: the actor ‘came out’ in an interview with the New York Magazine, after having previously denied feeding the rumour mill about his sexuality. “A little while later in our conversation, speaking of the cultural bipolarity that can see gay marriage legalized in New York in the same year that yet another gay teenager, Jamey Rodemeyer, was bullied and killed himself, Quinto says, “And again, as a gay man I look at that and say there’s a hopelessness that surrounds it, but as a human being I look at it and say ‘Why? Where’s this disparity coming from, and why can’t we as a culture and society dig deeper to examine that?’ We’re terrified of facing ourselves.”

5. Nine admits it asked sport callers to talk done on pokie laws

The controversy over sport callers Ray Warren and Phil Gould – who called the Federal Government’s proposed new mandatory pre-commitment pokie reforms a ‘rubbish policy that won’t work – has deepened after Channel Nine admitted to the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) that those views were its own. The network had originally maintained they were the opinions of the commentators.

6. Pollies get hiked ‘redundancy’ pay

Politicians who have served more than one term will get an increased six-month’s pay (worth almost $71,000) for a ‘resettlement allowance’ while those serving one term will get half as much on three month’s pay. That figure could rise is the politicians actually score a pay increase from the Independent Remuneration Tribunal next year.

7. Facebook refuses to shut ‘rape’ page

A Facebook page called ‘You know shes [sic] playing hard to get when your [sic] chasing her down an alleyway’ has more than 200,000 people who like it … but Facebook won’t shut it down, despite petitions of equal size from anti rape and victims’ groups. There are other pages too. Some others are called ‘Pinning your mate down and HIV Positive raping him for a laugh’. Facebook has previously said: “It is very important to point out that what one person finds offensive, another can find entertaining. Just as telling a rude joke won’t get you thrown out of your local pub, it won’t get you thrown off Facebook.” Where do you draw the line?

8. Bob Katter sings

At a meeting of his state candidates in Queensland the Federal Independent MP broke out into song. Katter’s Australian Party (that’s the full name) hopes to have over 80 candidates in the upcoming state election and wants to control the balance of power. For the singing, at least, you kind of just need to see it to believe it.

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  1. Murray Dickson

    Political pressure has now resulted in the Indonesian President getting involved in the case of a 14 YO Aussie kid on drug charges in Bali. I object to Australian Taxpayer money being spent on trying to help this kid who at the age of 14 should have been well aware of Indonesian drug laws. Who is he and do his parents have “political” affiliations with Gillard,Rudd and company? My kids visited Bali with me many times and even before they were teenagers were well aware of the laws. They were also well supervised and not allowed to roam at will at the age of 14, 15 or 16.
    Murray Dickson,
    Chiang Mai, THAILAND.

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  2. dkmum

    The thought of chemically being kept ‘young’ or ‘from aging’ is such a scary thought. Why are scientists using time and energy on issues like this?
    And as it has also been mentioned below, what sort of life are we setting ourselves up for with no pension available and super based on us living til we’re say 90.

    What is the point of living til 150 if we’re then left with say 30 years of frail living as oposed to 15 (very rough estimation).

    Seems to me the money used on research could be put to use elsewhere, and that goes for the politians’ redundancy pay too!!

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  3. blondage

    So if I have to live until 150, does this mean I still get to retire at 65?

    Because if I only have to spend 1/3 of my life working and the rest enjoying life then I’m up for it.

    However, if I have to work 2/3′s of my life that would mean that’d I’d be working for a CENTURY!

    How about a trade – I’ll work for 75yrs and party/rest/relax/explore/travel/shop/read/etc for 75.

    Deal?

    http://thefridgedoorblog.com

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  4. ashamasha

    just as an aside…why is it that the kid in Bali’s photos are now being blurred?? yes I get that he is under 18, innocent til proven guilty and all that…but when it first came about, his photo (without blurring) was being shown everywhere, and it was known he was under 18 then….what’s changed? anyone know? Rick?

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    • alyssakt

      Maybe while the photos are appearing on Facebook the media are allowed to steal and use them, but now his profile is hidden??
      Or by police/Court order??
      It’s weird when this happens – and it does often.

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      • Martin Hodgson

        Being a minor he should never have been named nor his photo shown in any form. The simple blurring of his eyes is still highly inappropriate and is a breach of International law under the CRC. He is entitled to due process and privacy and his situation has only been made worse by the way the media continue to handle these situations.

        Calling someone the Bali Drug Teen or any similar way of referring to a yet to be charged minor is also highly inappropriate and his use of facebook in no way entitles the media to breach his privacy as a minor and his right to a fair hearing by a court of law without any interference from outside sources including the media.

        Martin Hodgson
        Foreign Prisoner Support Service

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        • Murray Dickson

          Martin Hodgson should spare us his Bleeding Heart over the media’s treatment of the “Bali Drug Teen.”

          Basic rule Marty, if you visit Bali or any other Asian Country that is trying to stamp out drugs, you play by that country’s rules and not hose of the Nanny State of Australia.

          Cheers,
          Murray Dickson.
          Thailand.

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  5. picardie.girl

    I don’t want to live to 150. I want to live a very happy, healthy life, surrounded by friends and family, and once those things go, I’m done. 80-100 should do it.

    What I WOULD like is for some changes to be made to the way we spend our time, especially working hours, so that I can enjoy the rest of my youth while I’ve got it!

    Another 50 years of being very old is no good, I want to enjoy being young while I’m still there.

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    • ashamasha

      I’m with you! At the very least, I’d like more balance in the split of the working week – 4 days for fulltime work, 3 day weekend please :)

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  6. redballoon

    As far as Facebook drawing lines goes; when something is illegal like rape, (or deliberate infection of others with HIV) then, uh, draw a Freaking Line.

    As Mary Christmas point out below, FB remove breastfeeding images.
    Breastfeeding is generally legal protected, rape is illegal….
    Does not compute.

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  7. alyssakt

    If Scrabble was decided by the letters in people’s actual names, Zachary Quinto would win every time!

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  8. Bookie

    Just saw a video on smh.com that’s gone viral in China. Small child was hit by a van, which drove off. Several passers by walked straight past the fallen child, some even stopped and looked at her, without helping her. Apparently a cleaner finally picked her up and tried to help her. I’m not sure if the video is a hoax, apparently the police have the van driver in custody so I’m guessing not. Is mamamia going to do a piece about it?

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    • Erin

      I read about this in the MX today, its terrible. 12 people passed the girl after she was hit without stopping. Then she got hit by a second car (which I believe also drove off). It wasn’t until the 19th (!!!!) person that someone stopped, by which stage she was brain-dead. :-(

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    • Dana

      I wish I could unsee that video. Something inside of me just changed forever. :(

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  9. Yay! Zachary Quinto! Best casting for Spock ever, seriously.

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  10. Kerr

    I can’t go past that little girl in china left on the road after being run over. Although I didn’t watch it, I can’t get the image out of my head. How does this happen? Seriously, how?

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    • Shaezy

      I actually threw up after I read that article (couldn’t watch the video or look at the photos). My heart is desperately hurting for that little girl.

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  11. Mouse

    FB shows over and over that it’s moral compass is waaaayy off. Rape as a funny joke? I wonder how funny it would be if it happened to Mark Zuckerberg.

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  12. girly

    Zachary Quinto is gay, I don’t even know who he is so don’t care.

    Not sure I’d want to live to 150, unless it was a quality life and with my current partner..

    I’d hate to be that kid in Bali.. but he saw what happened to Schapelle. Just because he is underage doesn’t mean he didn’t know he was doing something illegal in a country with zero tolerance to drugs.

    The rape page is terrible and I wouldn’t like it.

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    • alyssakt

      He played the bad guy in Heroes, and Spock in the recent Star Trek.

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  13. Mary Christmas

    Hmmm. Facebook removes breasfeeding photos but leaves stupid pages like this? I’m all for a laugh, but if you treat rape like a joke, people will see it as a joke. Not funny.

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  14. Lucy

    Edit: It’s Kerekoban, not Kerobokan :)

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    • Lucy

      Actually, ignore me, I just realised news.com.au are the ones who got it wrong. I’m just going to go and sit in the corner now…

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  15. lauren91

    I was slightly disturbed by Bob Katter…

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  16. auscrawl

    Just putting a thought out there…

    During teen years when everyone’s exploring and defining their sexuality, it seems if a teen wants to use social media to come out publicly, it seems like a bad idea. It might not be right, but the reality is when everyone is trying to make themselves feminine or macho to mark their place in the social hieracy in high school for example then advertising a minority view which is likely to make them a target because some other parties see it as associations with them will make them less macho/guy magnet, even though that is nonsense.

    I think if I had a gay child I would advise them to tell people on a need to know basis in highschool, and let the others guess. When people get into their 20′s the general age group is more secure about their own sexuality and then they don’t care usually who wants to sleep with who.

    And no I’m not saying they should be hiding just everyone on Facebook or wherever including strangers don’t need to know one’s sexuality in a public statement. The unfortunate social behaviours will happen in teenage years where thugs target anyone different, and other teens will suicide in the struggle to find themselves that had nothing to do with sexual preference. Sure everyone should be themselves just to make life easier keep personal things personal not public through the minefield of highschool.

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  17. Natalie

    What I don’t get is that Facebook leaves rape pages up but banns and has shut down breastfeeding pages. I know which I find more offensive.

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    • Mary Christmas

      Exactly.

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      • rudyroo

        Totally.
        And that’s why women are still feeling oppressed.

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  18. An Idle Dad

    I’d love to live to 150. Seventy years in retirement? Awesomesauce!

    When life expectancy was 40 (you know, a hundred years ago) people looked 70 at 40. Now, a 40 year old looks pretty much the same as a thirty year old. So does a 50 year old quite often these days.

    So if we begin to live until 150 years old (and why stop there, give me a thousand years) a 80 year old will be as fit and healthy as a 40 years old, with maybe a few complications thrown in. Mental health being the major one, I suspect.

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    • R and I have only funded our retirement to the age of 90…we’re fucked!

      …on the other hand, if we eat a lot of trans-fats and sugars….

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      • An Idle Dad

        I’ll miss you when you’re dead, old man :)

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  19. Lulu

    Who is Zachary Quinto?

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    • Rick Morton

      Lucy asked the same thing in the office. And I cried a little bit.

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      • Lulu

        Rick, so it’s probably because I’m already 150 years old then – I don’t know what Lucy’s excuse is.

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    • An Idle Dad

      Spock! And Syla!

      But I don’t think he’s been on Glee yet ;p

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      • Spock is gay? I thought Mr Sulu was gay…

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        • An Idle Dad

          They did a mind meldm obviously. That’s how, once teh gayz can marry, we’ll all be forced into it.

          Vulcan nerve pinch. Mind meld. Gay marriage.

          Duh.

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          • …forced gay marriage? Bags not AnIdleDad!!

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            • An Idle Dad

              Look John James, if you were the last man on earth, we’d have virgous sex. But you aren’t, so I bags Hugh Jackman.

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            • Lulu

              “virgous sex” Idle Dad – is that Vulcan sex for bearded homo sapiens?

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            • If YOU were the last man on Earth, I’d move to Mars!

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            • redballoon

              Holy shit Idle!
              I just spit coffee on the keyboard of the New Computer (husband will kill me!)

              JJ and Idle stop being so damn funny!

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    • Mary Christmas

      Was he in ‘Heroes’?

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  20. auscrawl

    The Facebook joke page mentioned to do with spreading HIV…ah I think if you were making that at joke in your local pub, you would get volunteers to beat your head in and then thrown out so they could have room to do it.

    Of course there are bad taste jokes around that come and go which if they were outlawed life would be very boring. Who would bother to make a page for them though is another matter.

    Some people have really warped ways of looking at things in an unhealthy way and I think a lot of us can find outselves laughing at something innapropriate because you know you shouldn’t find it funny makes it funnier.

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  21. Haven Maven

    Today’s news just depresses me.

    Chockie and a vodka sandwich, anyone?

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    • rudyroo

      oh, now you’ve just brightened my day with those suggestions.
      I’m in!

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  22. Eternal Caterpillar

    Ironic that we are developing drugs to slow the aging process when obesity related illnesses have begun to mean that, in certain affluent countries, for the first time in recorded history the next generation has a shorter life expectancy than ours.

    If you find the fact about the population increase interesting, may I recommend:

    http://singularityhub.com/2011/09/06/hold-world-population-to-reach-7-billion-this-month/

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    • An Idle Dad

      While your quality of life point is a very interesting one, I have to be a pain…

      The meme that the next generation will have a shorter overall life expectancy than ours due to obesity is an unsupported myth. There isn’t a single government department or study that defends it.

      But it’s a clever line that sounds reasonable and the media LOVE it but isn’t true.

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      • Kim

        Thank you!

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      • Eternal Caterpillar

        I hope it is a meme and not real but I don’t think it can be called conclusively one way or the other yet.. I first heard it from Jamie Oliver on his prize-winning TED talk, and am inclined to give him a fair amount of credibility.

        In terms of a govt dept, from the US Dept of Health and Human Services:

        http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/mar2005/nia-16.htm

        I believe the most oft-cited study is the one conducted by the New England Journal of Medicine. That would be a good one to google if you are interested.

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        • alyssakt

          “I first heard it from Jamie Oliver… and am inclined to give him a fair amount of credibility.”

          hahaha

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          • Eternal Caterpillar

            Why is that? Because he was awarded an MBE? Because he has campaigned for better treatment of animals? Because he has established foundations to help disadvantaged youths? Because his financial acumen is such that his holding company (ie separate from his career) makes him one of the richest men in Britain? Because he is a passionate environmentalist? Because he gave out free food to Queenslanders after the floods this year?

            Please give a reason for your disdain, other than the personal issue of the names he and his wife choose for their children…

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            • alyssakt

              You’re right.

              Poppy Honey Rosie Oliver (born 18 March 2002),
              Daisy Boo Pamela Oliver (born on 10 April 2003),
              Petal Blossom Rainbow Oliver (born on 3 April 2009) and
              Buddy Bear Maurice Oliver (born on 2 September 2010).

              That’ll do me! ;)

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            • Kris2040

              Poppy, Daisy and Buddy are all pretty common names. What’s wrong with them? Petal is the only one a bit different.

              I went to school with a couple of Poppys/Popi (a Greek name), and my grandparents had a friend called Poppy too.

              There’s a Daisy in F. Scott Fitzgerald, so not so weird there either. What’s the problem?

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  23. 4. “Channel Nine admitted to the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) that those views were its own.”

    WTF!!? What is Ch 9 doing having “an opinion” in the first place? How about they just broadcast sport and report the news…

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    • Rick Morton

      Now THAT is a very good question. Specifically a political opinion, which has to be branded as such like they do in the ads before elections ‘spoken and authorised by’…

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    • An Idle Dad

      With Gina Rinehart, the mining boss, buying a 10% stake in Channel Ten (along with Paker) and Fairfax media, expect to see more “opinion”.

      We aren’t the US media just yet, but the 1% is pushing in here too.

      Hmmmm… Maybe it’s not too late to join the Occupy Melbourne gang after all…

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    • WillaWay

      It’s not a public corporation, so why wouldn’t it’s directors have and express political and social views through the power of their medium? It’s the deceptive way they deliver their message, without doing it in the context of full disclosure of their own interests in the question, that is disturbing and should be (and has been) pointed out. And fought against. And laws to address media monopolisation by the rich fought for.

      Democracy at work

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  24. protecting my identity

    What I dont get, is if the average worker isnt living up to their KPIs then they will be fired, but if a politician doesnt then they get a nice pay packet as a reward. Shouldnt we be giving them bonuses for making a good change to the country and enriching us? Not rewarding them for poor form. Im glad that they wont be able to get it if its because of misconduct.

    Also it will be interesting to see what they do with the boy in Bali. If they let him off with a slap on the hand, anyone under 18 will think they can get away with it too. If anyone buys or brings drugs to Bali from now on shouldnt be helped by the government. If you go to a country you follow their laws. Being on “holiday” doesnt excuse you breaking the law.

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    • Rick Morton

      Ah yes, the law doesn’t recognise school holidays! Watching this one closely as well…

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    • LJM

      And Julia Gillard has set an astonishing precedent by phoning this boy and his family. Sends a message that you can go overseas, behave badly, and expect the Aust. government to rescue you. What was she thinking????

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      • Kris2040

        But you will get help from the government if you’re an Australian citizen and get in the shit overseas. That isn’t anything new!

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        • LJM

          a phone call from the PM feeds that massive sense of entitlement that seems so widespread nowadays.

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          • Anon

            Oh come on – this kid and his parents must be TERRIFIED. The PM does a kind, human thing by ringing them and saying the government’s doing all they can (as they do with any Aussie who gets into trouble overseas) and that’s somehow feeding a massive sense of entitlement? It’s just a nice, decent thing to do – I for one am sick of people jumping on the PM for doing things other people would get a pat on the back for. Sheesh!

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          • WillaWay

            Have to disagree. if my child – yes, child – was in prison in a country with laws and prisons such as those in Bali, I would feel slightly better that my country was prepared to stand with me.

            Does the argument about “getting away with it” hold here for offences here, as well? After all, we don’t put kids in jail for those things here. And shouldn’t. Shouldn’t we be campaigning for children everywhere to not be put in jail for this kind of thing? Like, for example, the under-age “people smugglers” reported to be held in our prisons. The Australian government should be seeking to return those kids to their country of origin, too, and then working on policing and social issues to prevent kids being draughted into this kind of work in the future. Not just chucking the kids in jail.

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            • LJM

              I’m happy for the diplomatic chain to swing into action Willaway – as it does for countless others. However, a phone call from the PM??? Her job is to govern – and let’s face it – there’s a fair bit of that requiring her attention right now.

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            • WillaWay

              Part of her job is to be the public representative of “us” as Australians, so a quick, simple phone call, of which she makes many to many people, each day, is symbolic for the individuals, but also for us. It does say, we stand with you. Obviously, she has to pick who to call. Obviously political considerations will come into it. Who knows, maybe personal considerations come into it, too. If she can spend an hour on Q&A answering citizen’s questions about her government, or doing a street-walk as part of a campaign, why can’t she spend a couple of minutes calling one particular citizen in scary trouble, and showing us all that we won’t be neglected if we get in trouble?

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        • Flotsam

          True, Kris, and when the government did sweet FA for David Wilson in Cambodia the country was appalled. So, what do we (as a nation) want? To help our citizens who get into strife overseas, or not???

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          • Jane

            I’d argue that an Embassy’s primary role in another sovereign state is not to help its own citizens when they get into trouble while abroad. They’re not there to nanny us when we put foot on another’s soil. Their role is diplomatic. Moreso if an Aussie [possibly] commits an illegality where laws are clearly stipulated and upheld (laws that whether we like it or not, apply, albeit less rigidly, in our own country)
            In saying that, we – this country – believe in innocence before guilt, so a mission’s role couldn’t turn its back on an Australian in trouble abroad, and does provide support under the premise that innocence until proven guilty by due judicial process is a right of all Australians.
            The situation with Wilson in Cambodia is a whole other ballgame with fractious political players in a highly complicated, corrupt, knee-jerk volatile environment. Furthermore, a year later 3 more expats were kidnapped (1 of them being Aussie) and swiftly murdered – within 24 hours – yet the local police involved in that investigation (factions of the KR) led the international investigative and diplomatic teams round and round the mulberry bush in a time-wasting exercise for political reasons only on-the-ground Embassy stuff understand. Embassies are between a rock and a hard place, partic the Wilson situation (ransom money involved etc).
            I’ve personally experienced crime (against me) while abroad and the Australian Embassy’s assistance was (unbelievably) above and beyond what I’d expected when I reported it to them – then again, I didn’t expect a thing from them (because I was in another country) but reported it so as to prevent other women having (future) similar crime committed against them (it was specific) – as the western embassies do share info with many if not all the other embassies, word will only go out broadly through the expat communities when the embassy knows a crime has occurred – so I acted prudently for the sake of other expat women there who may be future targets. I digress, my point was how can we step onto another country’s soil expecting our embassy will be there if/when we need help – we can’t and shouldn’t. Some of the onus has to rest on the individual, subject to circumstance and innocence until guilt is proven. Probably as I’d done absolutely nothing wrong other than being there (in fact had done everything according to the ‘rulebook’), the embassy was superlative in their dealing with my situation. But there’s a case of not expecting anything and being offered so much support and kindness when you need it most…

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      • Mouse

        It seems likely that this kid did what he is being accused of (seeing as he was caught in the act so to speak) and even though he is younger than 18, I feel sorry for the other Australians in Indonesian jails for similar offences who don’t receive the same level of help and support that this kid is getting.

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        • WillaWay

          If you feel sorry for them, why not campaign for more human laws internationally, rather than decide that children should suffer the same fate?

          Australians in jails for similar offences do get support, as do Australians in jail for much worse offences.

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          • Anonymous

            You’ve taken this discussion along a side road WillaWay. We’re not disputing that Aussies should get the usual assistance when finding themselves on the wrong side of the law in foreign countries – but a phone call from Julia Gillard? Seriously??

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            • WillaWay

              commented on that elsewhere – the comment you made your response to was actually responding to someone else’s “side-road” (AKA as an interesting aspect of the issue) stating that this boy is getting more help than others. I disagreed.

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          • Anonymous

            Willaway -so should people who find grief – thru no fault of their own – also expect a call from the PM? For example, the collar bomb hoax girl – did that warrant a phone call too? Diplomatic processes exist to support people in this boys’ predicament. No need and inappropriate for Julia to get involved. But then I guess she just can’t resist a headline.

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            • WillaWay

              In short, yes, people in difficulty do warrant a call, in theory. In practice, not everyone can be called. Choices have to be made. And when choices are made, the question of whether a national statement should be made is an issue. For an Australian in trouble in another nation, I’d say a national statement might be good. For an Australin in trouble within Australia, it all depends on the context. For example, when political figures spent a lot of time calling, visiting and talking to flood victims and bushfire victims.

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    • WB

      Several weeks in a police holding cell doesn’t really seem to be “getting away” with it.

      I get the impression that all “high profile” cases seem to get a bigger punishment anyway. I can’t imagine that having the foreign minister and prime minister involved would have helped his case too much.

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      • Simone

        I agree WB. I think this kid will come away quite traumatised. I also think it’s been such a big story here that other kids going to Bali will really think twice about taking drugs. He’s locked up in indonesia. That’s not ‘getting off lightly’ – even if it’s only for a short while. And imagine the guilt he feels for putting his family through this. I think he’s been punished enough.

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  25. larissa

    Yes, those Facebook groups are offensive. It’s astounded me what people will ‘like’ in a public forum such as Facebook. I’m sure people would think twice if they had to carry around a sign declaring thier “humour” or opinions in a real live public place – at least I HOPE they would think twice…

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    • ladybird73

      I have been known to ‘defriend’ people (usually people from the distant past) based on their choices of groups to join. I say keep the groups, so people reveal themselves for the bigots or misogynists they really are and you can remove them from your life permenantly.

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      • alyssakt

        I got rid of 3 people after they joined “F**k off we’re full”
        Bye, morons!

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