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There have been more than 40 reported cases of measles in Sydney’s south west this week with 10 affected people being taken to hospital.

A spokesperson for the South Western Sydney Public Health Unit has warned that all of those who have been hospitalised were not fully immunised against the disease.

The Herald Sun reports:

The majority of those affected have been school-aged children and babies under 12 months old. The Department of Education confirmed four high schools and a number of primary schools had circulated letters of warning to parents…

Meanwhile, Australian Doctor magazine has revealed the number of parental objections to vaccinations are at an all-time high. According to statistics collected from the Australian Childhood Immunisation Register, 30,882 parents have formally objected to their child being immunised.

Of the more than two million children on the register, more than 6000 have no vaccination history.

The risks of failing to immunise children against potentially deadly diseases has been well documented on Mamamia (here and here). But with the anti-vaccination movement apparently gaining ground, we thought it was about time we revisited Dr Rachael Dunlop’s post about the common myths about vaccination and why they’re wrong.

Please read it and share this post among your social network so we can work against the dangerous misinformation circulated by the (Anti) Australian Vaccination Network (AVN):

Myth 1: Vaccines cause autism.

No doubt you’ve heard this myth – it’s been around for some time now. In a nutshell, there is no solid scientific evidence for a link between vaccines and autism. And believe me, science has been looking for well over 14 years. The theory that vaccines cause autism was first suggested by Andrew Wakefield in 1998. Since then, Wakefield’s paper has been discredited and withdrawn from The Lancet and Wakefield has lost his medical licence for showing “callous disregard” for children’s welfare.

Since 1998 there have been countless large and comprehensive studies looking for a link between vaccines and autism, but the evidence keeps coming up negative. The largest study was done in Denmark and covered all children born from January 1991 through December 1998. A total of 537,303 children of which eighty-two percent were vaccinated for MMR were examined and there was no association between vaccination and the development of autistic disorder.

Further, in August 2011, an exhaustive review of the scientific literature by the Institute of Medicine in the US concluded that overall “few health problems are caused by or clearly associated with vaccines”. And when I say “exhaustive review”, I mean 12,000 peer-reviewed articles, covering eight different vaccines were pored over by a committee of 18 experts in the largest review of adverse events associated with vaccines since 1994. It was a thorough and herculean effort concluding that there is no causal relationship between vaccines and autism.

Myth 2: Vaccines contain mercury

Mercury was removed from all routine childhood vaccines in Australia in the year 2000 (with the exception of one type of HepB vaccine which contains trace amounts) and it was never in the MMR vaccine. Prior to 2000, thimerosal, an organomercury compound, was used in the manufacturing process of vaccines as a preservative. The process left only trace amounts in the finished product – you ingest more mercury when you eat a can of tuna than you would ever get from a vaccine. Also there are two types of mercury – methyl mercury is the scary environmental toxin that “bioaccumulates” in your body, and ethyl mercury the type found in thimerosal, which does not bioaccumulate.
If thimerosal was implicated in autism, you would expect a significant drop in cases after its removal. Instead the opposite is true – autism rates continue to rise.

Myth 3: Vaccines contain toxic ingredients

Look anywhere on the Internet and you’ll find long scary looking lists of chemicals that anti-vaccine advocates claim are present in vaccines. Things such as anti-freeze, formaldehyde, aluminium phosphate, human fetal tissue, monkey kidney and lung cells, and most famously mercury. They also claim vaccines cause diseases such as AIDS, asthma, autism, cancers, diabetes, leukemia, lupus, SIDS, the list goes on. Many of these claims are quite simply untrue. The rest, without exception, misrepresent the facts.

For example, some viruses are grown on cell lines in the laboratory that were obtained from aborted fetal tissue many years ago. When a virus is grown on cells like these, it is extensively purified and many steps later, prepared into a vaccine. To say there are aborted human fetus cells in the vaccine is a bit like saying there is dirt in apples since they were once grown on a tree that grew in dirt. It’s misleading, scaremongering and simply not true. As for formaldehyde, there are trace amounts of formaldehyde in vaccines but much less than what your body naturally produces everyday.

Some vaccines do contain tiny amounts of metals like aluminium which have been used for over 80 years to increase the effectiveness of the vaccine. These are known as “adjuvants” and work like a booster to kick start the immune system into making antibodies. But just as the “dose makes the poison”, the concentrations of these metals are so low as to not be harmful to the body. Similarly, small doses of paracetamol cure pain but large doses have been known to cause liver failure.

Myth 4: Vaccines have never been tested.

All vaccines currently available in Australia must pass stringent safety testing before being approved for use by the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA), which is our government body responsible for regulating pharmaceuticals. Multiple clinical trials for safety and effectiveness are also performed as part of the development process (which takes anywhere between 10 to 15 years, and many millions of dollars) and safety monitoring continues for as long as the vaccine is in use.

For example with the polio vaccine, two million kids were involved in the field trial which was conducted in the US in 1954. More recently, the safety of the new cervical cancer vaccines was studied in large-scale clinical trials involving more than 50,000 people before being licensed for use. Safety continues to be monitored after 35 million doses with the majority of side effects being fever, headache and other minor ailments.

Like any medical procedure there are risks associated with the use of vaccines. This was brought to light in 2010 when dozens of kids suffered high temperatures and convulsions following administration of the flu vaccine. The vaccine was immediately withdrawn from use and the government commenced an investigation.

When people claim that vaccines have “never been tested” they usually mean that they have not undergone randomized placebo controlled trials (RCTs). To do an RCT of a vaccine you would need to take two groups of kids, give one group the vaccine, and the other a placebo, then expose both groups to the disease to see which ones survive. Raise your hand if you can see the problem here…

Not only would such an experiment be unethical, it’s unnecessary. We have extensive evidence demonstrating the effectiveness of vaccines; the eradication of smallpox and the near-eradication of polio from the world are just two examples.

Myth 5: Vaccines don’t work because children who are vaccinated can still get the disease.

No vaccine is 100% effective, and since everybody’s physiology is different, not everyone will develop immunity to the same degree; a vaccine is not a force field. But while you can still breathe in a virus or pick up bacteria off a door handle, the seriousness of the disease will be significantly reduced if you have been vaccinated. In the case of pertussis or whooping cough, severe complications such as seizures and pneumonia occur almost exclusively in unvaccinated people and one in every 200 babies who contract the disease will die.

Also, vaccine-induced and naturally acquired immunity fades over time. Notably, immunity from the whooping cough is not lifelong and infected adults, including child care workers and early years professionals, may be passing the infection on to children. This is why it is so important to get boosters if you are around young kids – especially those who are too young to be vaccinated. If you’re a parent make sure you, the grandparents, and other relatives and friends have boosters before they get to meet baby. Talk to your GP for advice on pertussis boosters (which are free until June 2012 in Victoria).

Myth 6: Improved living standards, not vaccination have reduced disease.

The three most significant factors in the reduction of infectious disease have been clean water, sewerage systems, and vaccination. But even in isolation, vaccination has made a huge dent in reducing rates of disease. Following the introduction of the national meningococcal C immunisation program in January 2003, the number of cases decreased by 39% while numbers of people admitted to hospital with the disease was down by 47%. When the Haemophilus influenzae type B (Hib) vaccination was introduced into Australia in 1992 there was a 94% reduction in cases in children under the age of five (the most frequent illnesses caused by Hib are meningitis, septicemia and pneumonia). Yet living conditions in Australia have changed only marginally since 1992 or 2003. Vaccines have also significantly reduced suffering from the complications of infectious disease. Whilst mortality from polio was less than twenty percent, complications such as paralysis, skeletal deformities, and prolonged immobility during confinement in an iron lung caused significant suffering, all of which were eliminated by widespread vaccination.

Myth 7: Infectious diseases are not serious; children are meant to get them.

Just because they’re called “childhood diseases” doesn’t mean it’s okay for kids to get them and neither are they necessarily benign. Let’s take a look at whooping cough as an example, since Australia has been the grips of an epidemic for several years now.

Whooping cough is much more than “just a bad cough”. Kids often turn blue from lack of oxygen during coughing fits, they may vomit after severe attacks, and even fracture ribs. There is no cure for whooping cough – antibiotics are given to help stop the transmission to others – you just have to hope your immune system can fight it. Severe complications such as pneumonia and brain damage occur almost exclusively in unvaccinated people and in babies under 6 months of age the symptoms can be severe or life threatening. Whooping cough is also known as the 100-day cough making it a chronic and potentially fatal disease.

If you still think infectious diseases are harmless, wander through your local cemetery one day and note how many children died from diseases that we no longer see in society today – stamped out largely due to mass vaccination. Some of us are old enough to remember the images of children in iron lungs and calipers during the scourge of polio, which was wiped out by vaccination.

Myth 8: Vaccines cause or spread the diseases they are supposed to prevent.

Experiencing a slight temperature and/or a sore arm after getting a vaccine is actually a good thing. While some people misinterpret this as “getting the flu after the flu vaccine” it simply indicates that your immune system is responding. Vaccines work by priming your immune system with a part of the disease, usually inactivated particles or a fraction of the organism, so that it can make antibodies. This means next time you come across the disease in the environment your body is ready with an arsenal of antibodies to attack it before it can make you really sick.

Vaccines are not 100% safe – no medical intervention is without risk – and mistakes do happen. In the 1950s in America there was a spate of cases of polio caused by the vaccine, but this was due to a mistake in the manufacturing process and was quickly corrected. Regulations, monitoring and quality control has greatly increased since that time, meaning incidents such as this are very unlikely to be repeated. The risks associated with the disease greatly outweigh the risk from a vaccine.

Myth 9: My child’s immune system will be overwhelmed.

Some parents worry that vaccines weaken or overwhelm the immune system, particularly when given to babies or when multiple vaccines are given at the same time. Children are exposed to many foreign particles on a daily basis through activities such as routine eating, drinking and playing and vaccines contain only a tiny number in comparison to what children encounter every day in their environment. The amount of immune challenges that children fight every day (2,000 — 6,000) is significantly greater than the number of antigens in any combination of vaccines (about 150 for the entire vaccination schedule).

More information: This is certainly not an exhaustive list of myths surrounding vaccination. If you’d like to know more, the following sources contain accurate and easy to read information for parents on vaccination including myths, misconceptions and information about the diseases.

Chain of Protection is an initiative of The National Centre for Immunisation Research and Surveillance (NCIRS) which contains lots of vaccine information, videos and more.

The NCIRS also produce the MMR Decision Aid which is a step-by-step guide to the MMR.

A great general resource for parents wanting to know more about vaccination can be found in the Australian Government publication; Understanding Childhood Immunisation Booklet (highly recommended)

General questions about vaccination can be found on the Australian Governments website; Frequently asked Questions About Immunisation

For more detailed information about vaccines, with references to scientific studies, see the Australian Government’s Handbook; Immunisation Myths and Realities, Responding to Arguments about Immunisation

A complete schedule of the current vaccinations required under the National Immunisation Program can be found here.

Dr. Rachael Dunlop is a medical researcher, science communicator and campaigner for science-based medicine in Australia, with a special interest in the anti-vaccination movement and alternative medicine.   Now working in medical research she is currently focused on the environmental triggers for motor neuron disease with a special interest in toxins found in blue green algae.

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  1. Margaret

    What are people’s thoughts on Chicken Pox parties? I was floored last week when a woman in my mums group suggested that if any of our kids got the chicken pox that we should have a Chicken Pox Party! I thought she was joking so I laughed at first but when I realised she wasnt I got quite angry at her. She told me that chicken pox is quite dangerous to get as an adult and that it’s better to get it over and done with in childhood. I have to say she gave me something to mull over but I would never intentionally expose my child to an illness so it’s a no go for me. But is she right? I know I could google this but I also wanted to get people’s opinion on these “parties” because I noticed that I was the only person in my group of about 8 adults who objected to it. The others didn’t say they would but they certainly didn’t object to it like I did. Am I missing something here?

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    • H-jane

      I wouldnt necessarily have a party, because it’s likely that if one kid has it, it’ll get passed around quickly anyway. It is both terrible and dangerous to get it as an adult. Men are at risk of sterilisation; if a woman contracts it during pregnancy, there is a high risk to the unborn child. The suffering is much worse as an adult – my ex husband was a teacher and got it as a 30 year old man. It was absolutely awful, particularly when I thought back on the very easy time I had of it when I caught it as a kid. But there are chicken pox vaccinations now, so it probably can be avoided anyway.

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    • Gin & Tonic

      My son got chicken pox a few days before he was booked at the GP in for the immunisation. At the time the vaccine was new and wasnt on the regular programme, so I had to make an appointment at the doctor to get it.

      It was horrible. He had them all over his body, on his genitals, in his eyes, his lips, in his hair. It was painful, itchy and uncomfortable for a poor little baby. I was up all night with him for a week. He had a nanny who was pregnant so she unwillingly exposed her unborn child to the virus. We were just lucky she was far enough along that it wasnt a problem for her.

      By comparison, his older sister was immunised and didnt get catch it from him.

      I think that sort of “party” is outrageous. People should all just bloody immunise their children.

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      • alyssakt

        I remember having it (at about 4-5 years old) and I had it in my ears, up my nose, in my mouth, and everywhere else you said. I was painfully itchy and distressed by it.
        I still have a couple of scars on my forehead from it – a feature I share with a few other girlfriends around my age (1980).

        I would NEVER risk inflicting my child with it by not getting him/her immunised – let alone organising for them to catch it on purpose!

        Disgusting!

        (Those “parties” were done when vaccines didn’t exist. They weren’t fricking preferable and it’s outrageous that anyone would consider putting their child through that in this age!!)

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        • kitty

          Recently my mum had lung problems and had a scan and she was told her lungs were covered with scars from chickenpox that she had as a child

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          • Kris2040

            I had about 5 on my body, and who knows how many in my throat, mouth and vagina. It was disgraceful. I can still vividly remember how sick I was. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. Well, possibly the loons who take their kids to pox parties. They can have it rather than their poor kids.

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    • zepgirl

      Chicken pox can be hellacious to get as an adult; it is way, way worse than having it as a child. Having said that, I can totally see where you’re coming from in not wanting to intentionally infect your child with it. My mum has memories of going to a ‘rubella party’ when she was a little kid for the same reason.

      It does also occur to me that there is a vaccination for chicken pox, or varicella. Is that an option? That would be just as good as getting chicken pox, without actually GETTING chicken pox, if you get what I mean.

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      • Margaret

        Do you mean get a vaccination as an adult? Yes I think I should look into that for sure. And tetanus while i’m at it!

        Children get the Chicken Pox (Varicella) vaccine at 18 months now, it’s part of the schedule so yes all the kids in our group over 18 months are vacinated against it but as you know it doesn’t stop them from contracting chicken pox but it would mean it would be less serious if they did catch it. Have to say the idea of intentionally exposing your child to it is so bizzare to me! I hate to hear them cough at night with a bad cold, chicken pox would be awful and what if they got complications and ended up in hospital? I’d never forgive myself.

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        • zepgirl

          Yeah, I was referring to the chicken pox vaccine for children. If your child has already had it, there is no point whatsoever in taking them to a chicken pox party! If the point of the party is to give them chicken pox when they’re kids so they avoid it as adults by having an immunity, then the vaccine will cover the same thing.

          I can understand the logic if your child isn’t vaccinated, but if they are, it really just is some sort of cruel and unusual weirdness.

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      • maggie

        My partner got it for the first time ever last year at 24. I guess it was a mild version, he was in bed for a week, had the sores.
        I made sure I covered him head to toe with calamine lotion!

        I forgot to ask if he had previously been immunized for it when he was younger. I am guessing that is why it was mild.

        On the other hand an old neighbor of mine caught it in his 40′s, ended up in hospital!

        I recommend everyone getting the shot for it! Kids and adults!

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    • TheMamaCat

      Given that these days there’s a chicken pox vaccine which kids (are supposed to) get at 18 months old, I’m not sure why people would still think these parties were necessary / a good idea?

      I suffered through a severe case of chicken pox when I was 16 and was so sick I literally wished I would die. I still bear the scars.
      I will for damn sure be vaccinating my daughter against it as soon as she hits 18 months – I just wish the vaccine had been around when I was a kid.

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      • TheMamaCat

        Can’t edit my comment for some reason but wanted to add that I’m thanking my lucky stars that my daughter is old enough to have had the MMR vaccine (just barely – she had it last month). I really feel for the parents out there whose babies are too young to have it yet – especially those who live in the area where the measles outbreak is happening. :-(

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      • Margaret

        My comment is not showing up. This is very annoying. I’m not repeating myself again. Anyway TheMama Cat I agree but I think she just wanted to make sure her kids got it over and done with, you can still catch it even if you have been immunised, same goes for everything we are immunised against. But we should get a far less serious dose of it. I must look into a booster for myself and husband.

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        • zepgirl

          I don’t understand the ‘getting it over and done with’ mentality if they’ve been vaccinated. Having chicken pox as a kid would provide you with the same immunity that the vaccine would (maybe a bit more), so by having either of them you’d be at about the same risk of contracting it as an adult with the same reduced severity. Why do both?! I feel like I’m missing a piece of the puzzle here, this seems nuts.

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    • Chris

      This is what used to happen before the chicken pox vaccine because its much better to get it younger than older. I got it when I was 16 (there was no vaccine back then) and it was pretty bad. Though it is actually possible to get chicken pox more than once (just very rare).

      Much much better to just get the vaccination though.

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      • Anonymous

        My daughter has a school friend whose immune system was destroyed by a bad case of chicken pox. She ended up with type 1 diabetes as a result.

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        • Rara

          I don’t think that is correct. It generally works the other way, her immune system was failing as a result of the pancreas not working correctly and probably made her more susceptible to catching chicken pox. She would have developed diabetes anyway.

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    • anon

      This woman sounds like an ignorant lunatic.
      I have a child who caught chicken pox as a young baby. She was very ill. Chicken pox is not trivial and anyone who treats it as such is disturbed.

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    • B

      I believe it is better to get it as a child, but that is from personal experience.
      As a 4 year old I contracted it from preschool spreading the virus to my Mum (27) and my baby sister (6 months). I just remember being itchy that the smell of the pinetarsol. That’s it.
      However my Mum has said she was certain she was going to die. My grandmother and my Dad both had to take a week off to care for them both as they were so unwell. My sister who is now 19 still has scars on her legs as does my Mum.
      I’m really thankful that a vaccine exists now though.

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    • CaramelloKoala

      I remember Chicken Pox parties as a kid!

      As soon as one kid had it, everyone would send their kids around to play so they’d get it too. I had chicken pox when I was 6 and I remember one of my aunts making me sleep in the same bed as one of my cousins and making my cousin drink out of cups I’d used etc to try and make her catch it off me.

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    • Bellered

      You can get chicken pox more than once, my sister had it 3 times in a space of 4 yrs. so the whole “getting it over and done with” should be on that myth list!!!

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    • Anonymous

      Horrendous idea! It can be just as dangerous to get childhood illnesses as a child. I am a paediatric nurse and will never forget one case where the parents took their 7 yr old daughter to a measles party. She developed encephalitis as a result of the measles and subsequently died in a horrible arrest situation despite all of us pulling out all the stops to save her. I can’t imagine the guilt those parents must feel everyday when they thought it was such a minor illness. My heart breaks for them every time I think of them.

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    • kateinlondon

      Chickenpox went through our London Borough in June. There were 22 kids out of 36 out with it at one point in my son’s nursery (no chickenpox vaccination on the schedule in the UK). My son’s best friend was one of the last to get it – he ended up in ICU. On a drip for three days. Chickenpox on his eyeballs, chickenpox on his lungs. I didn’t even know this was possible. It was terrifying for the family. So no, not something I’d be keen on having a party to promote.

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  2. sarah k

    i have been a paediatric nurse for over twenty years. i have only ever once seen a reaction a child has had from a vaccination. but i have seen over thousands of children who have become gravely ill from diseases like measles etc who’s parents have not vaccinated them. it is dangerous for children not to be vaccinated, and for parents who think they are putting their child’s best interests first by not vaccinating really need to think hard about the dangerous decision they are about to make.

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    • Anonymous

      You’ve only ever seen one reaction? In twenty years there was not more than one child who developed a temperature, a lump at the vaccination site, nothing?
      I am all for vaccinating but I still think it’s best to be honest with parents. I don’t think your comment is honest.

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      • Just taffy

        A lump or a fever wouldn’t send a kid to a kids’ ward. Seems very plausible to me.

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      • loves2bake

        My assumption is that Sarah K was referring to ‘adverse reactions’ – the kind that anti-vaxers talk about when providing reasons not to vaccinate.

        But I could be wrong.

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        • sarak k

          yes i was referring to serious reactions. not side effects.

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      • MJ

        They are side effects not a reaction. In the same way that nausea is a side effect of panadeine forte, but stopping breathing or swelling up would be a reaction.
        Redness swelling and mild fever are mild side effects of vaccination that pass within a few days and are far far better than contracting the disease itself.

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      • Faybian

        Ok anonymous, I’ll help out here. I’ve immunized a lot of kids and have seen one adverse reaction and I’ve seen a few side effects, my own kids included. Before the pertussis was changed from whole cell to acellular the side effects were more severe. This is why it was changed, even thought the acellular pertussis is slightly less effective.

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        • Anonymous

          See this is the kind of comment that I think is helpful. Someone who acknowledges that side-effects happen but is still in favor of vaccinating is much more convincing than someone who attempts to convince people by glossing over the facts.

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          • Faybian

            Thanks for that. I’m very pro vaccs, but I’ve learned over the years that bludgeoning people over the head with facts, or trying to bully them into doing something doesn’t work as a rule.
            Give people the facts and let them make up their own minds.

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  3. Anonymous

    This a free country, thank goodness. We are free to vaccinate our children, or not, just as we are free to run a website supposedly espousing choice yet crucify people who do not conform to our choices. Well since I too am free to state my opinion about what’s good for the health of our nation, I don’t want our daughters to see women in the media who are too thin and look terminally ill! I want my daughters to see women who are gutsy and non-superficial enough to look like real women who eat a plate of food and aren’t obsessed with their appearance. For that reason, I’ll probably vacate this forum immediatey, for obvious reasons.

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    • Just taffy

      Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

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    • twomummies

      Typical anti-vaxer….spout a load of rubbish and run for the hills!

      Free country hey…so I guess you don’t wear a seat belt when you drive or appropriately restrain your kids in car seats…how terrible of the government and the majority of people to want to protect children and save lives.

      You do indeed have the right to choose not to vaccinate your kids and I also have the right to condemn your choice and point out the selfishness of your actions which are no doubt based on the fantastical ramblings of other anti-vaxers.

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      • anonymous

        At least I don’t go baaa like all of you gullible fools who actually believe that pharmaceutical companies have your children’s interests as first priority, over their financial ones. I suppose you think the banks, oil companies and big supermarkets also care a lot about your family.

        Instead of implying that anti-vaxers are all loony, you pack of bullies, why don’t you consider that maybe parents are sick and tired of their children being pumped with so many unnatural substances, in their food, by doctors and in our air that in this instance, they CHOOSE to say no just because they can.

        Besides, you are all hypocrites. Are you going to keep your children at home for weeks, particularly you working parents, next time they have a bad flu to protect all the asthmatic kids and their grandparents? Stop driving your car and start riding your bike – to protect the asthmatic, elderly and all those with lung disease and compromised immune systems? Stop dieting, obsessing about beauty and buying fashion, to help prevent young girls from developing anorexia? Are you going to ban alcohol because a small percentage of us drive cars and kill people when drunk? Are you going to banish from the planet all smokers? Are you going to lock up the parents who look like they MIGHT raise potential drug-dealers, murderers and pedophiles, in case their kids murder your kids? Am I sounding ridiculous? These things all kill kids too.

        We live in a FREE society and it depends on us sharing a sense of goodwill and understanding towards one another in order not to descend into hatred and bloodshed over differences of opinion. With the support you unequivocably give Mia, a person who is meant to have some sort of responsibility to be objective and non-judgemental being a ‘journalist’, next she’ll be telling you all to help her expel the people from society that don’t have blonde hair and blue eyes, because SHE feels they don’t fit HER idea of acceptability. Sound familiar?

        Unless you are all perfect and are certain you cause no harm to anyone else on the planet, in even the smallest way, stop bullying anti-vax parents and use your energies instead to BE KIND to people. Or else I’ll come to your house and judge you as a parent based on every decision you make. Think you’d pass the test??

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        • Anonymous

          “they CHOOSE to say no just because they can.”. Thanks for confirming what so many anti-vaxers try to deny. You keep right on sticking it to the man with your pouty so there and putting kids at risk. Go you.

          Oh, and thanks for the Godwin!

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          • Anonymous

            well.. her argument makes sense… Do you honestly keep your child home for weeks and weeks for having the flue? NO… Do y6ou drive a car knwoing that it affects asthmetics? Yes.
            You probably diet and look at yourself in the mirrow hoping to look slimmer too!

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            • Kris2040

              That anonymous thanking for the Godwin was me. Yes of course I keep my daughter home if she’s sick. Drives me insane when people go to work/take their kids to school/daycare when they’re sick and should be at home.

              I don’t go “If I drive a car, it’ll affect asthmatics, Awesome! Off I go” but yes I do drive a car occasionally. I’m more a public transport girl day to day though.

              What does dieting and wanting to lose weight have to do with anything?

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    • Christy

      HUH?

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      • Nora

        My thoughts exactly!

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    • Anonymous

      What the hell do thin women with unrealistic bodies (of which I am one of if everything in the media is right, might I add) have to do with vaccination choice??? Also to the people who are venemntly (sp?) against vaccination, we know that Mamamia is pro-vaccination, so please do us and the world a favour and refrain from clicking on the link to any posts about vaccination unless you are looking to be outraged. And if that is the case, go and find some real problems!!!!

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      • Anonymous

        ahhhh… so you only want people to provide information that confirms your own biases??

        Nice.

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    • Ra Ra

      You can’t be serious?! What a charming person you are Anonymous! This is such a mean spirited, untrue comment (you look fantastic Mia!) I am so sick of anti-vaxers….when you need surgery, do you go to your local mechanic or a qualified surgeon? Lets stop taking ‘medical advise’ from people with no qualifications. Does my head in…

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    • anon

      I cant think of anyone on Australian TV who is so thin they look terminally ill. Thats horrible thing to say about people you have never met.

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  4. Anonymous

    Well at least this time you have not labled parents who do not immunise their children as negligent ( I am referring to the post titled “this is what bad parents look like ) which I am sure breeched the broadcasting services act 1992 ,it was clearly defamatory towards a group of people who are excersing their right to not immunise their children.I took the time to email MM documents between myself and doctors involved in my sons injuries acquired during MMR vaccination and my decision not to imunise my following children, to which there has been no response.I love that this time you at least mention that vaccines are not 100% safe.I wish you could meet my meet my son and see first hand the significant damage caused my MMR, sometimes I think i would rather him be at risk of measles than for him to endure life as he is .The risks involved are not reported as such , most injuries caused by immunisation go unreported as other factors are held to blame other than the immunisation .My sons injuries are included in current sats.If one toy or food group contributed to his injuries there would be a recall, but with his , we are simply “unlucky” .BTW ,I had never heard of the “anti vaxxers” until I read about them on this site

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    • Mia

      Hi Anonymous,
      Thrilled that we were able to help you learn about the anti-vaxxers here on Mamamia. Part of the plan of the AVN is to be a wolf in sheep’s clothing and disguise their anti-vax stance very deliberately so as to further mislead vulnerable parents into believing they are a reasonable, credible source of information.
      Which they are not.
      Which is why we will continue to expose their shameful tactics.

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    • Mia

      Ps anonymous – no documents or email were ever received by us.

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      • Hi Anonymous

        Try re-posting them via registered mail with a return slip. It’s not too expensive and then someone has to sign for them when they are delivered and you would have confirmation they were received.

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      • Anonymous

        I have replied several time to this thread , not sure why my comments wont appear? But wanted to let you know ,according to my email account the documents were sent to you .If you are intersested I am happy to post them to a physical address. I dont care to influence any parent on wether to vaccinate their child or not .When you have been through the trauma of having your child acquire a brain injury due to immunisation , it is just a matter of it being acknowledged that immunisation is not always safe .

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        • Secondary Naomi

          Surely if anon has a true medical reason not to vaccinate they would want to be sure everyone else does to reduce the chances their child would get sick. Anyone??

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          • anon

            One child may have a rare reaction, but that doesnt mean their siblings will. Not vaccinating younger children just because an older sibling had a rare reaction to the vaccination is a bit like not letting any of your kids travel in a car because one was in a crash.

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            • Wendy

              But can you understand why she wouldn’t risk it again?

              These are the circumstances where people do need to understand that it may not be as straight forward as we would all like.

              And for the record, I am vaccinated. My kids are vaccinated.

              Let us not throw all out.

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            • Anonymous

              Ok. You seem clueless about the difference between genes and seat belts lol…

              Plus, how digusting of you to negate this mothers suffering?

              Oh who cares that your child had seizures after your 4 month, and 6 month vaccines. Oh who cares about the fact that the doctors who supposidly knows so much about science kept on recommending that she vaccinates anyway. Of which led her to do the MMR, and bingo! another reaction, but this time left her baby permanently damaged!!!!

              The thing that disgusts me the most is that not one person on here has acknowledged the fact that her stupid doctor kept insisting on vaccinating even though this child had not one seziure, but TWO seizures….And the worst thing of all, is that none of you could care less about her child as long as your poor children are protected..,

              And stop hiding behind the old we must do this for the immuno compromised arguemnt- You could care less about them, your simply using it as a means to bully others…

              Now, why are the immuno compromised more important than this chld who suffered?

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  5. Alexandra

    30,882 refused a free vaccine from the govt?! Wow – I hope that’s because they’re planning on taking the kids to their local GP to get the vaccine.

    You can’t rely on herd immunity if everyone refuses! Crazytown.

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    • Christy

      ITs free if you get it from your GP as well. All childhood immunisations are free.

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    • anon

      I took my kids to the GP for their vaccinations, and he’s not a bulk billing GP so it did cost me, as our local council run vaccination program was inconvenient for me to get to. My GP is a quick walk down the street. Lets hope others do the same thing!

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  6. Sophie

    ARRRGHHHHHHH so effing frustrating. VACCINATE!!! It would be a totally different story if the poor children who have contracted this disease HAD been fully vaccinated or it was a different stream of the Measles but instead these poor children are suffering either through ignorance or the selfish choices of their parents, awful. And in response to ‘Uh’, you may well be right, but the majority of people (we would hope) have had babies in hospitals or at least had SOME access to health care at some stage of their children’s/babie’s lives that would have informed them of the vaccination requirements.

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    • Alexandra

      You raise a good point – it’s the parent’s decision but it’s the kids who have to deal with the consequences of not being vaccinated.

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  7. Anonymous

    well at least you have not labeled parents who do not immunise their children as negligent as you have in previous post( iam referring to the post tiltled “this is what bad parenting looks like’) which was such a ridiculous statment .I am sure that particular statement breeched the broadcasting services act 1992, as it was clearly defamatory towards a group of people excersing their right to not immunise their children.I took the time to email MM with correspondence between myself and docors involved in my sons vaccine related injuries and my decision not to immunise my following children , which clearly states that my decision not to immunise does not in any way make me a “negligent ” parent,which I have no response. . I love the fact that you also do not deny the fact that immunisation is not 100% safe.If you could meet my son and see the significant injuries directly caused to him by the MMR you would agree with me that catching measles may of been a better option.He will never be the boy he was intended to be thanks to MMR injection.If just one toy or food product casued this kind of damage it would of been recalled.In the letters forwarded to MM there is reference to the fact that vaccine injuries are seriously under reported .

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    • Natski

      Anonymous, before you go about making allegations that mamamia.com defamed non-vaccinating individuals, it might be an idea to have even a rudimentary understanding of defamation law in this country.

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      • Anonymous

        I dont have a great understanding of it but it was a hot topic during a family dinner , my step father is a retired lawyer.I think defamation is where the statment has the tendency to lower the persons reputation in the estimation of others , which labling parents who do not vaccinate as negligent just may do.

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        • May

          Defamation is when a persons charcter has been defamed that results in the loss of income, loss of relationship that effects their lives within a community. A person that sues under the defamation act needs to prove this has occurred and that any statement made against them are in fact not true, failure to meet any of these it is not then considered defamation. Also it is not defamation against another person if their name is not mentioned ie mothers who don’t immunise are, is not defamation unless a full name is inserted and thus effects that person. It is very very hard to prove defamation in this country few make it to court

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        • Voni

          Breached
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          Anon, perhaps your family dinners should be less about unqualified discussions on the Defamation Act and poorly researched myths on infant vaccinations and more about spelling practice?

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          • Anonymous

            Steiner educated , no idea when it comes to spelling.But I am sure you can understand what I am saying without the correct precision of spelling as your comprehension skills are so fine tuned .I have not stated any where that I have researched (poorly or otherwise)childhood vaccinations, I am speaking of a negitive outcome our family has suffered through due to having our son immunised

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        • Anonymous

          HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Non lawyers are funny.

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          • May

            Not sure who you are talking about no I am not a lawyer but I was sued by my boss for defamation after putting a complaint in on him. The info I put down was copied from notes given to me by my lawyer…. Yes I won by the way do I know my stuff when it comes to defamation.

            Just wondering those people that choose not to immunise do you let other parents know ie children’s parties etc just wondering as it should really be a disclosure thing.

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    • maggie

      MM never replied to you?

      I find that surprising as everyone has been wanting to hear a genuine case of vaccine injury.

      Are you will to elaborate here for the rest of the commentators what happened? Because I am genuinely REALLY interested to hear about it, being that so little of these cases are reported/talked about.

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    • Mug

      My understanding of parents who don’t vaccinate is that they’re bad parents. Unless their child is known to be allergic I have no idea why anyone would choose to not vaccinate their child. I tell you my beliefs so you know straight up where I’m coming from and I want you to know that I ask this question of you with complete respect (as its obviously an inflammatory issue) and I genuinely want to know – why would you choose to not vaccinate? What happened to your son? I have a toddler and intend on having more children, would you recommend my children not be vaccinated?

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      • Anonymous

        I have replied several times to this thread , put the comment does not appear.Basically my son had febril convulsions after his first two immunisations resulting in him being addmitted to intensive care, we continued with the vaccinations on doctors advise that it would be safe .At 12 mths he had his MMR which caused anaphylatic shock , causing respiritory distress , his heart failed and he suffered brain damage.I would not advise any parent to not vaccinate nor advise to vaccinate .It just needs to be known that vaccines are not 100% safe and there can be serious problems.

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        • Sarah Hill

          I’m so sorry to hear that anon. My thoughts and love with you. xxx

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  8. Uh..

    I don’t think people in South West Sydney are reading a lot of anti-vacc material. Perhaps you are not aware that it’s an impoverished area, and residents there are more likely skipping vaccinations for all the same reasons they skip other medical care: lack of awareness, general apathy, low income. The AVN is nothing to be applauded, but I don’t think you can “blame” them in this instance, as your tweet and this story insists. Basic journalism would be a useful tool to employ here.

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    • CJ

      Bravo. Couldn’t have said it better myself.

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    • anon

      I dare say also, that there is a large portion of the population who have very poor English skills and are unaware of this being an issue.

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    • K

      Childhood vaccinations are free, so I am not sure what being in a low income demographic has to do with it. Also if you get your child vaccinated the government rewards you with a payment.

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      • Uh...

        People need transport to get to the doctor. They may need to be able to take time off work. They may need childcare for other children. It’s pretty obvious.

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        • Nora

          When I had my first child I was young and a low income earner. The Australian health system offers fantastic free support and advice services for new mothers, there are no excuses really.

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        • Anon

          I guess I’ll just go hitch up the horse and cart and go get us some of these free vaccinations. Happy now Uh?

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        • K

          You have control over when you make your appointments. So you take responsibility for that and you make an appointment on a day that you can take time off work and that you can have transport and that your other children are in daycare. I think all of those things are extremely lame excuses, especially when it comes to the wellfare of your child.

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      • Ally

        Actually, just because things are free doesnt mean you will get people to use them.

        Working in community development, one of the most common complaints from workers is that they can never get the targeted group involved. As the targeted group is usually vulnerable families from lower socio economic areas, most activities are free.

        The reason people do not engage in things (doctors visits, vaccinations, libraries, fun days, hearing checks etc) despite the fact that they are free is usually because they are already feeling “over serviced”. That is, a larger than average service representation in their lives, which causes them to avoid other services as well.

        Not to mention the usual difficulties of lack of transport, child care, knowledge of available services…

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        • Faybian

          That perfectly describe a lot of people residing in the area I work in. Also, paranoia about child protective services discourages a number from engaging with us.

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    • Alissa

      Uh that’s a big judgement if I’ve heard one. There’s a lot of money in south west Sydney areas, Camden in paticular. There is actually more wealthy areas down there than not. Get your facts straight before making an offensive comment like this. You look like a fool.

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      • Bec

        100% agree Alissa.

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      • Anonymous

        Agreed!!! God I love the attitude of people towards those of us that live in the south-west. We are not all imbeciles, do not believe everything you see on the Today Tonight and ACAs of the world!!Also you will find that migrants from developing countries are probably more likely to vaccinate their chilkdren as they will more likely than not have real life current experiences with a lot of ilnesses/diseases that really shouldn’t be occuring in Australia.

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    • 2560

      As a proud resident of the Macarthur area I take offense at this comment. It only takes one instance for an outbreak like this to occur. Would the same attitude be taken if the outbreak was in a more affluent area? Judgemental indeed. P.S My kids are immunised and I can read and I live in Campbelltown.

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    • Anon

      Uh! Was that the sound you made when you pulled your head out.

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  9. I had Measles when I was 7 – this was before the Measles vaccination was available…

    You or your kids DO NOT want to have Measles…trust me on this…I have never felt that sick before or since…

    Please vaccinate!

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    • NewName

      *Like* !

      Also, does anyone know if I can get a booster being 34 wks pregnant? Pretty sure I’m up to date but want to be safe.

      Thx :)

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      • Emmjay

        Have a chat with your OB or midwife and see what they recommend. I had the flu shot at 34 weeks, but I checked first

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        • NewName

          Thanks Emmjay, will do

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      • Greenleaf

        Unless things have changed in the last 3 years you can’t :( When I was pregnant I discovered I wasn’t immune to chicken pox and I couldn’t get immunised. Was freaking out about it the whole time.

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    • Anonymous

      My brother and I woke up with the measles on Christmas Day when I was 10 (yes, that was a very Merry Christmas for my parents) and I can still remember how sick I was and I had been vaccinated. I can only imagine the full extent of the illness without the vaccination.

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