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Screen shot 2012 09 06 at 9.52.48 AM Malcolm Turnbull: enough with the dumbing down of politics

Malcolm and Lucy Turnbull

In a speech at the University of Western Australia last night, former Opposition Leader and pin-up boy of disenchanted Labor voters, Malcolm Turnbull talked about trust.

Now, trust and politics are two words that when used in the same sentence, tend to make the average voter either giggle or gag.

But Turnbull’s speech last night was different. Why? Because he threw out the political rule book and criticised his own party as well as the Government and bugger me, he even offered up some solutions.

Turnbull took issue with politics being a profession that lends itself to untruths. He compared the safeguards that exist for lawyers to ensure that they act in good faith and seek to uphold the truth – with the obligations on politicians.

Turnbull explained that while politicians are duty bound not to mislead the parliament, they are under no such obligation not to mislead the electorate. Once outside those pink and green walls, it’s a matter of saying whatever you need to, to win over the people you need to keep you in office or boot the other side out.

Turnbull called for politicians to end the dumbing down of politics, to stop focusing on the political ‘gotchya’ moment and instead, to speak with clarity and without spin.

Have a read. Does he convince you?

Shouldn’t one key benchmark for politicians be: have we made an issue clearer and the complex comprehensible? We all want “cut through” messages- how about cutting through with clarity, rather than with spin?

And while newspapers are shrinking think tanks seem to be expanding – wouldn’t it be great if some of those public intellects actually held politicians like me to account, pointing out where we had exaggerated or misled. Public fact checking would raise the quality of debate.

Julia Gillard famously said “There will be no carbon tax under the Government I lead.” And then announced one a few months later.

A few days before the election as her numbers are falling away, in an effort to swing votes back, she says to the Australian people “Vote for me and there won‟t be a carbon tax.” There was offer and acceptance. The Australian people were asked to believe, and did believe, that they had struck a deal with the Prime Minister and, whatever you may think about the merits of the policy, she has welched on that deal.

It was entirely within Julia Gillard’s power to honour that pledge. Nothing made her impose a carbon tax. It was an entirely voluntary breach of contract and her poll ratings are a direct consequence of it.

A politician who mistakenly misstates the facts, often than because he or she has been misinformed, is not lying, they may be careless of course, and more of us who do get a fact or a number wrong should acknowledge that.

I remember Kevin Rudd as Prime Minister was very reluctant to admit that he had made a misstatement – no matter how trivial. By contrast John Howard would often jump up at the end or after Question Time to correct a statistic or a date he had previously mentioned in an answer.

No one is right all the time, admitting a mistake is a sign of strength not weakness.

Now I don’t have any silver bullet to make us politicians more accurate or more likely to keep our promises.

But we can make it easier to earn and keep the people’s trust. We should be much more careful about raising false expectations – whether on what we can do or what our opponents will do.

In case you think my call for a change of attitude and practice to truth in politics is just idealism – let me make a practical political point.

It seems to me that we don’t simply have a financial deficit, we have a deficit of trust. We can argue for hours which side and which politicians, which journalists indeed, have contributed most to it. But it affects all of us and all of our institutions.

The politicians and parties that can demonstrate they can be trusted, that they will not insult the people with weasel words and spin, that they will not promise more than they can deliver, that they will not dishonestly misrepresent either their own or their opponents‟ policies – those politicians and parties will, I submit to you, deserve and receive electoral success.

You can read the rest of Malcolm Turnbull’s speech (if you have a spare half hour or so) here.

Do you think the way you view politicians and poltics has changed over the past few years? What do you put that down to? And what politicians have POSITIVE cut-through for you? Instead of just slagging off who we DON’T like, who DOES inspire politically?

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  1. Lee Williams

    Malcom, we need you. Australian politics are the laughing stock of the world.
    Julia Gillard is a crook and does not have the best interests of Australia at heart. We urgently need sensible debate, infrastructure expenditure, support of our farms and food bowl.
    Tony Abbot is probably a nice guy, but he is not Prime Minister material, what or who is holding the Libs back?
    Roll on the next election….minus Tony Abbott.

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  2. Annanotherthing

    I just read every post on this page and was surprised that I couldn’t find one mention of Godwin Grech, but plenty of people accusing each other of having short memories.

    (Note: I love Mr Turnbull’s Jerry Maguire moment)

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  3. Wheezeed

    If/when Malcolm Turnbull becomes leader of the Liberals I would never vote for anyone else. The majority of my friends agree, including traditional ALP voters. Despite the reality of our political structure in Australia, many people vote for the ‘leader’. I will never vote for Julia Gillard for the very reasons that are outlined above, she has no credibility with me whatsoever, which as our first female prime minister I find incredibly disappointing.

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  4. LT

    So, how is it that we have this incredibly intelligent, charming and charismatic man in Malcolm Turnbull who would provide an excellent alternative to Julia Gillard, and Tony Abbott is the leader of the Liberal party???

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    • Mug

      My Thoughts exactly!

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      • guest

        For some odd reason his party doesn’t want him. I like Julia. She’s growing on me.

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  5. D

    To all those hardened Liberal Voters who think that no matter who is leader we will get the same policies. The type of leader you have shows those swinging voters the character of the whole party and their thinking. Currently you have a fanatical right wing big business supporter leading your party. Thus your party stands for treating the majorinty of people with contempt and supports the countries billionaires to accumulate more money whilst advocating that the rest of us should work for less money.

    Malcolm Turnbull is a more moderate person and if he is leading the party then to my way of thinking (as a swinging voter) then your policies are likely to be more moderate.

    In the end though it will take actual policies to change my mind, I just know that the policies we will get from Abbott will be the wrong policies for the majority.

    And I know you will all start attacking Labor and whilst they are not right on the money at the moment their policies are for the most part in the best interest of the Majority and they have done a mostly good job on the economic front given the state of the world economy.

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    • Anonymous

      I like Malcolm Turnbull. I’ve always voted labor or green but would vote for Turnbull if I thought he was going to be able to change the direction the liberals are headed in. I think though that he would end up like Kevin Rudd, turfed out half way through. He is too reasonable and too open-minded for the liberals.

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    • Leanne

      Malcolm Turnbull is actually a self-made millionaire.

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    • Mum of two cheeky monkeys

      Supporting big business is not necessarily a bad thing. Big business employs a huge percentage of Australians. Supporting it makes perfect micro and macroeconomic sense. That means jobs of all Australians in the long term are safe. It means interest rates will be stable, there will be money for government investment, and for government welfare systems. Sounds good to me!

      Based on your argument, the leader of the labour party is a woman who can’t be trusted to carry through with the policies she presents, and I don’t really won’t to vote for that if I do in fact vote on personality. In reality, I am quite sure Julia is not calling the shots, and I think that many voters would agree.

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  6. Mum of two cheeky monkeys

    In the months I’ve been on this site I gave never ever read a comment suggesting its right leaning!! A few weeks ago many of us were asking for more balanced articles because everything appeared to have a left leaning bias. Poor mamamia, you just can’t win!

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  7. DaniS

    Malcolm Turnbull is charismatic and charming and I fancy him. Unfortunately, like Rudd, he puts his self interest front and centre, not the country’s.

    The reason he wanted an ETS had little to do with saving the planet.
    http://barnabyisright.com/2011/07/14/spread-the-word-untouchable-turnbulls-a-goldman-plated-turd/

    Rudd and Malcolm should start their own party for ego maniacs. And let them risk their own millions on dodgy money laundering schemes instead of the taxpayers.

    Malcolm is a banker. Always was, always will be.

    I’m so sick of politicians and unions using Australia instead of serving it.

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  8. Anon for this

    As a Liberal voter and supporter, it is hard seeing all the comments below from left-leaning people wishing that MT was leader of the Liberal party, because while that’s all well and good and I agree with you.. you guys would never vote Liberal regardless of if he was leader or not, and Liberal voters generally don’t want MT as a leader.

    I wish MT represented the majority of Liberal voters. But he doesn’t.

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    • Gin & Tonic

      But remember it is the swinging voters in the marginal seats that ultimately decide elections. The distaste that a swinging voter like me has for both parties is the reason we have this ridiculous situation at the moment with no party in absolute power and deals done with independents at every turn.

      The Liberal party should wise up that only people who are dyed in the wool Liberal voters want Abbott. This will not win them the election while people like me who swing like a gate have such strong views against him. I am the most apathetic voter on earth and I usually hate making a decision but since Abbott has been the leader of the opposition I have and will proudly vote against him.

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      • Anon for this

        And who decides the leader of the party, who represents them? Liberal voters.

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        • Gin & Tonic

          and therein lies the problem if they want to run the country

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        • Jackie

          Not really. The US system has the entrie party membership elect the leader. I find that system very destructive as candidates spend a lot of time, effort & money tearing each other down in order to get themselves elected as party leader. It is certainly not a system I would favour.

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      • kateb

        I fully agree, I wish there was a party I could be happy to vote for, one with out so many extreme outcomes. Julia party doesn’t seem so bad but how on earth can they be sooooo baddd at communicating to the public!!! I had to actually go on a search on the net to find what they have done in the past few years.

        Abbott on the other hand only ever seems to say no.

        The papers seem to think we need to be like American politics and the leader of the party’s personality is more important than their policies.

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  9. Bradley

    For those indicating that they would vote Liberal if Turnbull was leader…..you are still going to be stuck with Liberal Party policies.

    Consider that.

    The leader isn’t the final word on policy.

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    • Neeks

      That is very true. However, I think Malcolm Turnbull is much more articulate and much less sensationalist than Tony Abbott and would do a better job at communicating the Liberal Party policies. The only thing I really get from Tony is that he REALLY HATES BOATS! And they will be stopped! I have no idea what the Liberal party will campaign upon in an election and I don’t exactly stick my head in the sand when it comes to politics. Some of it should have filtered down by now if Abbott was doing a good job as oppostion leader shouldn’t it? Or have I been living under some type of rock? It has been dark lately…

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    • Gin & Tonic

      I might actually want to listen to Liberal Party policies if they weren’t being delivered by someone who makes my blood boil.

      Right now I switch off completely.

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    • Bec

      Bradley, I don’t agree with most of your points but I have thoroughly enjoyed reading your well written, thoughtful comments and hearty contribution to this debate. It is so refreshing that we can all have different political opinions without resorting to calling each other stupid-head.

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  10. jolie

    Reading all these comments calling for MT to be Prime Minister – I can’t help but think – but he was the leader of the opposition for quite a while, and his popularity rating was awful. He had a crack, and no-one wanted him.

    If he really wanted to promote a political climate with more integrity – wouldn’t he start by criticizing Abbott and Gillard equally for their spin? Don’t get me wrong, I want him to be genuine about these ideals. I want it really really badly, but the (admittedly) small amount I just read of his speech, really just seems to be a more eloquent way of saying “Labor Lies, Labor Lies blah blah blah”.

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    • Neeks

      Do you think his lack of popularity as the Leader of the Opposition may have been because he was too moderate? Not right enough for the Liberal supporter base?

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      • DaniS

        The Liberal support base are mostly lefties but with a healthy dose of commonsense, the ability to realise that we have to live within our means and a loathing for the corrupt unions.

        Most people who support the Coalition are ex Labor voters who have grown up and realised that UnionLabor are in power to look after themselves and that they don’t give a piece of proverbial about the worker.

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  11. Anonymous

    interesting that you only quote his criticism of the government – MM supporting the coalition once again – because reading the whole speech, surely the big news was his willingness to criticise his own party and de facto announce a challenge for the leadership?

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    • Mia

      This is the first time we have been accused I supporting the coalition! Jamila and I are high fiving each other right now because surely this is a sign that we have redressed the balance!

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    • Bradley

      MM “supporting the coalition once again” ????????????????

      Show me the first time. Better still, show me the second time !

      This is a “making goo-goo eyes at Malcolm Turnbull” moment. I honestly don’t see any support for the coalition….so quit the high 5-ing, you 2 ! :)

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    • alyssakt

      Brilliant!!!

      I can’t believe you really just said that!

      High fives all round! :D

      Hahahaha

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  12. Mum of two cheeky monkeys

    Mm about 5 of my comments are lost can you find them?

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    • becsparrow

      Are they still lost?

      If they are, I’ll go searching for them in the back.

      Let me know.

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      • Mum of two cheeky monkeys

        Thanks Bec found most of them! I’m using the new iPhone app and it seems to work differently. I do love a good political debate!

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  13. Anonymous

    I would absolutely vote for him if I lived in his electorate. I would never vote for the Liberal party with him as leader so long as people like Abbott, Barnaby Joyce, Bill Heffernan and so on would be part of the Coalition government.

    I think people over-estimate the importance of being PM. Surely the replacing of Kevin Rudd should have shown us that the real power players are in the background.

    Get to know your local member. So many people have no idea what the actual person they are voting for stand for.

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    • Jackie

      I have always loathed Barnaby Joyce, but I heard him on radio this week, up in arms about the sale of Cubis Station to a Chinese company & I found myself nodding in agreement.

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      • DaniS

        Barnaby is great value. The ABC make fun of him to stop people taking him seriously. Have a look at his website.

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  14. Jackie

    I saw Tony Abbott on the news last night & knew exactly what he was going to say the standard blah labor lies blah etc, Im so bored with that, he looked bored with it & I feel that the Australian people are bored with it, well the ones I speak to anyway. Its the same old negative slogans, no-on debates issues sensibly, it all seems to be about the 5 second sound bite & getting attention from people with the attention span of goldfish.
    I heard MT speak at a function in Adelaide when Howard was still in power, he is very charasmatic & does radiate genuine integrity.
    Unfortunately our current political climate does not encourage honesty or informed rational debate.

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    • odette

      I wonder how well an “It’s Time” campaign would go down in the current climate? I think it’d go down great.

      It’s time to revitalise education with Gonski.
      It’s time to support marriage equality.

      Anything else?

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  15. Experienced spin doctor

    Surprising to learn so many Mamamia readers are Liberal supporters.
    I hope people are still recognising the ‘spin’ underpinning these comments, however candid they may be introduced.
    I still strongly believe the major problem with the political game is simply that there are too many uneducated voters. And by that I mean that we learn about ‘democracy’ in school, but never about the actual politics and how to truly understand and engage with our parties. How to find facts and policies. Too many of the masses rely on press snippets/weasel words to determine their vote.

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    • Anonymous

      It’s very hard to find ‘facts’ in the current media climate which is so focussed on sensationalism and celebrity. I have personally heard media who are ‘supposedly’ informing themselves of both sides of a story, actively say to those co-operating “we’re not going to report that as it doesn’t fit our brief”. Bang – there goes one whole side of the debate.

      A very sad state of affairs indeed!

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      • Bradley

        Anyone with access to a computer can easily access party policies. You do not have to rely on the MSM or a blog to get your info. However, I do recommend reading widely to ascertain a variety of opinions.

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        • Anonymous

          Bradley, I agree on your thoughts about accessing the information on party policies, it’s the debate around these policies that I see lacking in our current media climate.

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  16. mahnamahna

    I wrote an epically long comment, and it seems to have been eaten! Help?

    Basic summary: was meant to be at talk last night, devastated I missed it now; loooong political rant about attacking parties and policies instead of promoting their own and how Turnbull would only work if we had an American system where the president and parties are elected separately. The end.

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    • Guest

      Well I want to hear it – where is it?

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  17. bridget

    Despite his ability to put his foot in his mouth, Abbott has done a pretty good job over the past few months. Turnbull expressed his views perfectly last night and he could replace Abbott at some point. But this is based solely on Turnbull’s sentiments and his ability to articulate a concise speech, which is very important. I don’t see Abbott being PM, Hockey is lurking around the corner waiting for the right time take over, he’s a smart man.

    Some of these comments are very interesting and kind of odd in a way. I think what we have to remember is that in Australian politics we vote for the party with the best policies that we want for our country. As simple and basic as that sounds, it kind of seems that certain people are turning it into a popularity contest, it’s called the Americanisation of our politics, but it’s not just happening in our country though. That being said however, it would seem that a majority of Australian’s are actually turning away from the media’s recent influence on the Americanisation style of politics, they’re shifting their thinking exclusively to the party, just look at the recent elections in QLD and NT.

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  18. bridget

    Love him or hate him, and despite his ability to put his foot in his mouth, Abbott has done a pretty good job over the past few months. Turnbull expressed his views perfectly last night and he could replace Abbott at some point. But this is based solely on Turnbull’s sentiments and his ability to articulate a concise speech, which is very important. I don’t really see Abbott being PM, Hockey is lurking around the corner waiting for the right time take over, he’s a smart man.

    Some of these comments are very interesting and kind of odd in a way. I think what we have to remember is that in Australian politics we vote for the party with the best policies that we want for our country. As simple and basic as that sounds, it kind of seems that certain people are turning it into a popularity contest, it’s called the Americanisation of our politics, but it’s not just happening in our country though. That being said however, it would seem that a majority of Australian’s are actually turning away from the media’s recent influence on the Americanisation style of politics, they’re shifting their thinking exclusively to the party, just look at the recent elections in QLD and NT.

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    • DaniS

      Joe isn’t after Tony’s job. Despite what the media say, the Coaltion is tight and they’re right behind Abbott. You’ll see a different side to him next year. The problem is this – Swanny has borrowed us into penury. The credit card limit has been increased over and over and it’s maxed out. Despite that, they’re still throwing around money and empty promises. It doesn’t matter who’s evading the coalition, they have a monumental task to secure the country’s future.

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      • Mum of two cheeky monkeys

        Here here

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  19. sjb1273

    Dear Malcolm Turnbull,
    I wish you were leader of the Liberals.
    Not sure how I’d feel about you being PM though. Yet.

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    • Bradley

      That sounds as if you want to sit on both sides of the fence with this comment.

      or

      You’re placing an each way bet.

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      • Bec

        It’s not really sitting both sides of the fence, we all want a strong robust opposition with it’s own ideas, policies and values. It is good for Democracy and makes the entire government better. A weak, ineffective, negative opposition just detracts from the important issues that the government should be focussing on.

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  20. Valentina

    Wise words yet again from the man who should be…well, not King (as he is a Republican) but PM for certain. An intelligent statesman should be the nation’s leader – and that he is. And the fact that he is a small ‘l’ Liberal, something he is often derided for, is actually great as it means he espouses centrist policies which will attract the swinging voters (30% of the populace) and thus deliver a stable government majority.

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  21. Angel

    I agree that trust is a fundamental problem, but the root of the issues lie much deeper. There is a tremendous disconnect between the government and the people. The government seems to forget why they are there in the first place – the people’s best interest – and instead get caught up in their own little worlds. We’re probably all guilty of being absorbed in our own self interest, and this is a huge problem. Because ultimately we have to address the broader needs of Australian society, but also recognize that due to this unprecedented level of globalization, we must also adopt a win win attitude with all our neighbours. There can be no winners and losers in a globalized society, because if one loses, we all will ultimately lose due to our level of interconnection. And this interconnection cannot be undone. The economy is a classic example of this – shortly we too will see the boomerang come back in full swing and will find ourselves in a similar situation to the other western countries. This is due to the level of greed and corruption that has finally reached its full swing, sourcing out the weakest link in an unsustainable system (the current global economy model) and pulling it all down.
    The two opposing governing bodies, in their present incarnation, are simply wasting time. Even if they did have the true interests of the people at heart, and even if they did understand the level of our interconnection and how this affects us, they still do not realize that as opposing parties their job is to not negate the other, but to act as devils advocate. Point out where the other didn’t see something etc. Like a well functioning marriage. Working together to fine tune policies that they can then both agree on. Not bicker and rant like a co-dependent couple who can never divorce. This is why we desperately need to teach the next generation how to be real humans, how to negotiate and collaborate and work together to get jobs done, rising above their pettiness and egos. Integral education of this nature must be the next step to us being able to move forward as a society.
    Heading in that direction will re-establish trust in our society.
    This site has an some very interesting thoughts, as well as this great clip http://www.mutualresponsibility.org/economy/sacred-economics

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    • Faybian

      Well said.
      Like, like, like.

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  22. Leelu

    Didn’t Howard famously declare no GST under his government?

    A politician is a politician is a politician…

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    • wdidn

      And so did the Democrats, and yet Meg Lees ‘got into bed’ with Howard, so to speak. Look where her party is now! FAIL.

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    • Bradley

      He did. But when he changed his mind he took the issue to the electorate…and then he only got it through the senate with the help of the Democrats. The electorate had the opportunity to block the passage of the bill by getting rid of the Howard government, but didn’t.

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      • Mum of two cheeky monkeys

        I have always respected that. It took guts to put his policies on the line like that and let the people decide, which they did, and we are better for it. I don’t think he gets enough credit for that courage. I wish there was more standing on policy now.

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    • sarahlew

      and let’s not mention Howard’s famous Children Overboard accousations either..!

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      • Faybian

        Or the core and non core promises….
        Politics is littered with famous last words so to speak.

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    • Naomi

      Before Howard was elected the First time he said he would not bring in the GST! Before he was elected the Second time he stated ‘ If you vote for me I WILL bring in the GST’. He was elected for the second time.

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  23. Alison

    Does anyone ever look at the ‘no carbon tax in my government’ quote in relation to the increase in support for the greens at the last election rather than the spin and outrage from those who are, in my experience of bbq conversations, liberal voters fired up by shock jock commentary?

    To answer the question, I think Turnbull has positive cut through because he seems to be honest, have integrity and actually answers questions or debates issues in a conversational, non-argumentative and non-inflammatory way. I feel similarly about the front bench Labor women like Plibersek, Roxon and Ellis – they hold their own wonderfully with measured, considered and non-argumentative discussion and debate against some of the shrieky outraged types on the Liberal side (e.g. Pine & Mirabella). I think some of the Labour men have a good, quieter-spoken, measured style that gives integrity to what they’re saying too. Maybe the Libs have them, but Turnbull’s the main one that comes to mind. I also buy into the idea that Gillard is better in person than on stage – certainly her Q&A appearances seem genuine. Joyce seems to have the genuine-ness for cut through, but also comes across as a bit of a loose cannon – he has a strong enough position to enable him to speak his mind without having to worry that he’ll ever be in the top job and have to make good on it all (a bit like the Greens and unlike the independents who carry a lot more weight on their shoulders than they’d have expected going into the 2010 campaign).

    I want to see more full, detailed, sensible answers given in a normal tone of voice in a conversational debate instead of repetitively shouting the party line, especially from the Libs as I think they don’t seem to do the conversation as well as Labor. I make up my mind each election, I’m a genuine swinging voter, I really want to hear what all sides have to say about lots of different issues. I want to hear the substance, not the catchphrase.

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    • Bradley

      I also would like to see a bit less towing of the party line. Quite simply I would never support what the leader has said, without having any knowledge of what the leader said for the sake of supporting the leader.

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    • Anonymous

      Completely agree with you! Turnbull is great but he stands out for being so utterly unlike everyone else in his party. Labor ministers seem to speak more calmly and rationally than their opponents.

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      • Bradley

        I have one thing to say…..Craig Emerson singing “Horror Movie”.

        Make that two things to say….Craig Emerson’s Twitter account.

        Then define rational.

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        • annae01

          Good point. I remember that well. It was right there on my TV and it was shocking me right out of my brain.

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  24. Mum of two cheeky monkeys

    I find this debate really fascinating. I would be happy with Malcolm Trumbull, or in fact joe hockey as pm. I would be happy with tony Abbott as pm. Heck I’d even be happy with Julia Gillard as pm had she not been so incompeten and so malleable for such a long time. I am much more interested in the policies of the party and their ability to run the economy. The leader of the party represents the party, they shouldn’t be making policy without consultation and strong support anyway.

    I don’t know why people hate tony Abbott so much. I really don’t get it. He puts his foot in his mouth a lot but I believe people are intelligent enough to understand that he’s not evil, he’s playing the game and sometimes he’s not doing it well. Same with Julia. Interestingly Malcolm seems to refuse to do this and that’s why he got dumped as opposition leader.

    Tony Abbott has served a real purpose as figurehead of the liberal party, and unlike the labour party the libs are unwilling to change leaders to suit public whim because it may just turn back again and they’ll lose out. Plus it makes it very difficult to trust them. I love this speech by Malcolm and who knows, he may end up as pm. Whoever the leader I’ll be voting liberal. Both parties have very similar policies on most points, but Across my lifetime the libs have clearly been far better economic leaders when given the chance and are much less likely to waste taxpayers money.

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    • Bradley

      You said what I was thinking….only much better.

      Love or hate Abbott, he has been able to do what Turnbull and Nelson couldn’t do for the fortunes of the coalition. He would have to completely blow the next election before the party would force a challenge of leadership, but I believe in the event that the Libs lost the next election Abbott would fall on his own sword.

      Folks, I seriously don’t believe that Turnbull will be the next PM, although I readily agree with many of the points that he made in his speech.

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      • Lizi

        Doesn’t always happen, but I agree with you, word for word, Bradley. No matter what we may think about his ability to ‘open mouth, insert foot’, Tony Abbott has been a *very* effective Leader of the Opposition.

        The people I’d love to put up against the wall are those who bungled the last Labor Election campaign, thus ensuring that Julia Gillard had it stacked against her from Day One. But that’s history now.

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      • Mum of two cheeky monkeys

        Bradley I always love your opinions!

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      • Feline

        I always thought Mamamia were staunchly pro-labour, and yet here I am, a loyal liberal voter, feeling right at home! Hooray for calm, rational, measured discussion. Thanks Mamamia.

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    • Helen

      “unlike the labour party the libs are unwilling to change leaders to suit public whim” um, have you forgotten that Abbott rolled Turnbull who rolled Nelson – all since Howard lost his seat at the 2007 election. That’s 3 leaders in 5 years!

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      • Jackie

        I assumed she meant that the Libs dont changed leaders once they are PM, they leave that to the electorate.

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        • Mum of two cheeky monkeys

          Yes I did. The opposition is just that- their job is to provide a viable alternative to the government. Contrary to my own opinions, many people vote a party in based in part on who their leader is. Once voted in I believe the government has a duty to remain in tact where possible. That means not changing leaders unless something extraordinary happens.

          Although the libs have had plenty of chances to dump Abbott and it hasn’t even gotten to a vote. Can’t say the same about the government even in the last month!

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    • Anonymous

      Well, I don’t like Abbot much because he constantly says “this is a bad government” like he’s trying to be a subliminal coco cola ad or something, and I just don’t agree that this is a “bad government.”

      I don’t like his policies such as the Direct Action plan because it will be a tax on me, not the polluters! I also prefer the Labor government’s paid parental leave scheme as Abbott’s would put a massive burden on business.

      I don’t like that he feels he doesn’t have to do his homework – such as going on the 7:30 Report recently totally unprepared. I don’t like that it is so convenient for him to say “but we can’t afford it!” Well, some things – such as educating Australia’s children – are so important they warrant spending money on – it is an investment in our future. Meanwhile he also has some fairly expensive policies – such as increasing rates of Australian children being able to speak a foreign language – so I just think he is hypocritical on top everything else.

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    • Alley Cat

      mum of two cheeky monkeys… well said. 100% agree.

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  25. amyspeak

    Since before I could vote I have always leaned away from the coalition, more on the left side of things (though I do maintain that I hold some conservative views as well).

    But in mid-2007, when I was studying journalism at uni, I went to a debate featuring Malcolm Turnbull and Peter Garrett. I said then (and maintain) that Turnbull is one of the greatest politicians in this country. That’s not necessarily because of his policies, but because of the way he speaks, the way he handles questions and the fact that the views he expresses seem to be coming from actual beliefs that he holds.

    Since then I’ve always hoped he’d be (and stay) leader of the coalition. I think he’d make a better opposition leader than Abbott (anyone would though) and have a better chance of becoming PM.

    I agree with his sentiment expressed last night, but as things stand I don’t think either of the big parties have my vote – I just hope there are changes before the next election.

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  26. vanessayoung

    I think Malcolm Turnbull makes a few good points. But I thought Malcolm Fraser was capable of making a good point and I’m still angry about the Whitlam dismissal! It is difficult when opposition parties are reluctant to say “Yes that is a good idea, lets all agree to do that” (I realise the purpose of the opposition is to oppose, but seriously!). It would be lovely if one of them would just say, “I know I said I wasn’t going to do that, but I have changed my mind and this is why”!
    The primary problem seems to be that politics, for whatever reason, seems to be about personalities and not about policy and the basic party platforms. We should not be voting for Gillard or Abbott, we ought to be voting for policies. In the interest of disclosure, I voted Labor most of my voting life but vote Green now, because they support marriage equality.

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    • Bradley

      To be fair with you, vannessa….I would never vote for any individual or party based on a single issue. To me that’s like tossing the baby out with the bath water.

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      • vanessayoung

        I agree with you there Bradley. As I say I had been a Labor voter forever (first voted for Whitlam after the first double dissolution). My Green vote is more an indication that the major parties are too alike now. Liberal and Labor lack guts on the marriage equality question and this is just an indication of their lack of guts on other issues, I think. I think single issue candidates have something to offer, we have Kelly Vincent (Dignity for Disability) in S.A. and Nick Xenophon was elected on a single issue (Pokie Reform). There is nothing to indicate that these are unsuccessful representatives of the electorate.

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  27. Alex

    There are too many people left from the Howard era in Federal parliament still. They don’t want what Malcolm is offering – they want to turn the clock back to Howard, who was voted out so hard he personally lost his seat.

    The Liberals need to start thinking ahead instead of backwards and until they do, it doesn’t matter what Malcolm says or whether he’s leader or not, the party won’t follow him.

    So don’t pine for Malcolm – he’s five or ten years away from being useful.

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    • CBR

      To be fair to Howard, part of his loss of his seat was due to his general election negative swing, and part of it was due to the massive redistribution prior to the 2007 election.

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  28. Gin & Tonic

    I wish the Liberal Party would put him in place instead of Abbott.

    I dont want to vote Labor but hell will freeze over before I vote for Abbott.

    Right now I would not vote for either major party.

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    • Amy-Aims

      Totally agree!! Have always voted Liberal but would MUCH rather see Turnbull than Abbott, god i hate Abbott!!

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    • becsparrow

      I feel EXACTLY the same.

      I do really respect Malcolm Turnbull though …

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    • Anonymous

      But apart from Turnbull (who is great I think so too) who else is really impressive in the Liberal party at the moment?

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      • Gin & Tonic

        I havent seen anyone impressive on either side. The other politicians apart from Swan have a very low profile.

        Amanda Vanstone wrote an interesting article about this in the SMH this week:

        http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/abbotts-big-problem-is-not-his-unpopularity-but-his-team-20120902-2588g.html

        She thinks Abbott’s unpopularity is not a big issue, which I dont agree with, but she makes an interesting observation that none of the coalition front benchers have any media profile.

        I would also add that none of the labor front benchers have much of a profile either. I wonder what that means?

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        • Anonymous

          Well for example, Nicola Roxon – winning against big tobacco in the High Court – she’s mega impressive!

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  29. Simone

    Malcom for PM!!
    I would seriously consider voting for the Liberals if he took over the reigns. There is no way I will vote for them with Abbott at the helm. He’ll just end up embarrassing the nation on the global scale rather than just the national.

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    • Bec

      I am hearing this over and over again, why isn’t the Liberal Party hearing this? What does Abbott have over the party that they keep persisting with him despite his continual stuff-ups and embarrassments. Not to mention his ongoing negativity and lack of policies. Why stick with Abbott when they have such an intelligent, well spoken alternative? Why?

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    • Bradley

      Simone, I don’t believe that you would vote Liberal regardless of who was leader of the party.

      Suddenly we are expected to believe that everyone wants Malcolm for PM. Where were you, and all of the other Turnbull supporters, when he constantly went down in popularity in the opinion polls ? Where were you and the others when Turnbull plunged to the glorious lows Brendan Nelson experienced in the prefered PM stakes.

      You only want Turnbull because you know that he will not lead the Liberals to an election victory….and that is what the ALP knows and wants to happen.

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      • Mrs_H

        Hi Bradley,
        It seemed to me that during his time as leader, Turnbull was clinging to their old party lines. As in, the same lines that got them voted out. It was always going to be the most difficult time to lead that party.
        His popularity has spiked since then, and I think that is because he is able to speak a bit more freely about his real thoughts on issues. He is choosing not to be so bound by the party lines.
        I don’t believe that Turnbull’s popularity is an ALP conspiracy, just that he seems to be the middle ground between Gillard and Abbot.
        I really would vote for him.

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      • alyssakt

        Where were we, Bradley? That’s easy, we were living in a time that had never known Abbott as the leader of the Opposition.

        Anybody looks better than him.

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        • Bradley

          Hello alyssa. Make me smile. Tell me that you’d vote Liberal if Turnbull was leader. :)

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          • alyssakt

            Hi Bradley
            No can do. But I quite fancy the idea of him leading the Labor party ;)
            :)

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      • wdidn

        Bradley – you are very dismissive of an MM commenter’s comment. I know you love to debate politics, but you are being cycnical and a little mean spirited today.

        I back up Smone’s sentiment – I would vote for a Coalition led by Turnbull today if it was the case.

        A *lot* has changed since he was the leader – Gillard as PM, the Carbon tax for example. 2008 was 4 years ago! Back then, I’d have never voted for Liberal / Coalition.

        Now, there is NO way I can vote for a party led by either Gillard or Abbott. I’d rather deliberately spoil my vote than put my name to either of them.

        Turnbull all the way baby!

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        • Simone

          thanks wdidn!
          I am the same as you, at the moment I would not put my vote to either Gillard or Abbott as leader.

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        • Bradley

          Please….don’t spoil your vote.

          I don’t care who gets your first or last preference, but don’t waste your vote.

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          • wdidn

            Last preference? Shooters and Fishers Party

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      • sharoncello

        Hi Bradley,

        I am a moderate Liberal and have had my eye on Malcolm for PM since he entered the parliament. I shed a tear the day Abbott beat him by one vote. I find his point of view to be very similar to my own :)

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      • Simone

        Well acutally Bradley I have voted Liberal in the past. I grew up in WA, the most Liberal state of them all. However, since Tony Abbott has started to take the political debate down the drain I can no longer support the Liberals. I believe in a free market, however I will not tolerate the backwards mindlessness that Tony Abbott has inflicted on the Australian political landscape. The Liberals might be good for the economy but when it comes to their humanity they have gone down the drain. Humanity is just as important as economics. For me Malcom Turnbull seems the only option to a possible path out of that mess.

        My dad has been a staunch Liberal supporter his whole life, however he has even said to me that he’d prefer to see Turnbull as leader. My boss is a staunch Liberal supporter and he has also said the same.

        You should be very careful when you second guess people and the background they come from Bradley.

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        • Bradley

          Hello Simone. My apologies for second guessing you. I personally have never been a fan of Turnbull. I didn’t like the way that he was handed his seat at the expense of an apparently well respected sitting member. You could say that I have a relatively healthy dislike for Peter Garrett, he getting his seat in parliament at the expense of a well respected sitting member.

          @ Shannon, nobody asked me my opinion either. However it certainly seems that Abbott is heading towards the Lodge if the opinions of those polled are to be taken into account.

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      • Shannon

        I disagree with your post

        Firstly no one asked me if I wanted him as opposition leader when he was so I had no say in the “opinion polls”
        Secondly I dont think he would ensure a labour victory – quite the opposite – I think he would unite supporters of the party in a way a smart intelligent man can and that Tony isnt

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      • Lisbeth

        Bradley, once again you make complete sense! Malcolm Turnbull is not leadership material nor is he a team player. He has a great mind but I wouldn’t want him as my co pilot if I were flying a plane. I might discover that he had positioned me above an ejector seat.

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      • becsparrow

        Bradley, don’t you think the issue is that for all the left-wingers who would vote for Malcolm, the far right would be horrified?

        I would absolutely vote Liberal – no question – if Malcolm Turnbull was the leader. In a heartbeat.

        There’s just something about Tony Abbott that I can’t reconcile.

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        • Mum of two cheeky monkeys

          Bec I find that really interesting. I find Kevin Rudd the same. Since I have traditionally voted liberal I don’t think it played a part in my vote last election anyway, but what is it that you don’t like? I’m really curious, as I just don’t get the bad vibe everyone else seems to. Since he presents policy rather than creating it, would it change your vote? I do think that Abbott is in because the libs think he’ll win the election for them, and the people that really hate him probably wouldn’t vote liberal anyway. Would it change your vote?

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          • becsparrow

            Good question. I certainly don’t think TA is evil (the way some people do) and as the father of three young women, I know, that he is clearly not out of touch with women or young people (his wife also seems really strong and likeable). But I worry about his deep-held Christian views influencing his decision making. And while the PM doesn’t hold all the power — they are certainly influential.

            I think there’s this fear I have that he’ll turn back the clock. I want women to be able to access safe abortions should they need them. And I personally want to see more counsellers in schools not pastors.

            (I have worked with and known some amazing Christian pastors in schools but I think kids need access to trained counsellers and psychologists more who don’t have a religious agenda …)

            I also would desperately like to see the introduction of the legalisation of gay marriage and while JG is not keen, there is NO CHANCE of it happening with Tony Abbott at the helm.

            I’m not making much sense. But does that sort of answer your question?

            Sorry I’m not being more articulate!

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            • Mum of two cheeky monkeys

              Actually it answered it really well. It seems you and I have a lot of very similar views on policy! Interestingthat we seem to fall in different camps- I guess that says somethingabout how similar the two parties’ policies are and why so many moderate or swing voters are disillusioned.

              Also, I cleaned up a massive projectile vomit, removed 3 large splinters and had food thrown at my face today. This is certainly the smartest I’ve felt all day!!

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      • Jackie

        To give MT credit he was opp leader to KR at the absolute height of his popularity, before the real Kevin started to show through. No-one could have competed with that. Tony Abbott has been blessed with exceptionally good timing.

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  30. Kathy W

    Thanks Malcolm Turnbull.

    It’s the same with the U.S. election campaign. So much carry-on about abortion and gay marriage when the real issues (health care, poverty) lie neglected.

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  31. Trog

    Gillard was facing polls that favoured the carbon tax. Ugly decision but ultimately pragmatic.

    Other than that, Coalition, as I’ve said before on this site – put him up and I’ll vote for him.

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  32. Ella

    I think that because Turnbull is so popular right now ( ‘pin up’ boy of the disenchanted labor voters) he is in a position to say what he thinks, with little fear of retribution (clp would be mad to get rid of him). I can’t help but wonder how he would be able to translate all these wonderful policies if he is Prime Minister under CLP, what if there’s another minority government? what if there’s enough conflict in the parliament created so he has to ‘go back on his word’? Rudd was pretty much booted because he wasn’t following the rest of the party, maybe a little bit tyrannical? What would happen if Turnbull doesn’t follow the rest of the party? He would then be better off independent, if his views are so vastly different from his party.
    For the record, I think Gillard is brilliant. The ability to get through hundreds of pieces of legislation in a minority government in however many (2?) years is incredible and shows that she’s in the very least, efficient. The minority government to me meant there was always going to be a trade off, and I don’t doubt Abbott was prepared to put through a carbon tax (or something very similar). So I can get past/move on from the fact Gillard went back on her word, but I understand that some people can’t.
    I only say this because Turnbull decided to put in his speech how Gillard went back on her word, well Howard also lied and said that people were throwing they children overboard when seeking asylum in Australia.
    It goes both ways.
    I wouldn’t vote for Turnbull as PM if he was leader of CLP, my mum told me once that the vote should be for the party and not the leader, so voting Turnbull is just not cricket for me.
    And I don’t trust politicians, I just trust myself enough to make the right decision in voting for whoever meets my needs at the time/ and for the future.

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    • oliveblanche

      I agree! Gillard has made massive changes and is still continuing to try and make things better. Education is such a HUGE thing to tackle but she’s been on it from Before she was PM. I think people don’t understand what it means to have a minority government. They assume she has all this power when she doesn’t. If you consider how many pieces of legislation she has gotten through in a minority government it’s really really impressive. I would say a lot more than previous PMs who have had a majority. She’s also incredibly well spoken and always able to answer any questions unlike most pols who fubble for answers. I haven’t always agreed with her decisions (off shore processing of refugees). I respect her immensely though. Also I think a lot of people would vote for Turnball if he was independent. I feel both Gillard and Turnball really care about Australia where as perhaps some others in their party just want to be in power. That’s being said I am a Greens supporter because they definitely care about doing what is right. :)

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      • robyn

        Totally agree with everything you wrote! What Gillard has done /is doing for education is massive. I think they’ve done really well with the shit situation that is child care – improved on entitlements plus made a commitment to trying to make it even better & more affordable. Whilst it doesn’t affect me at the moment, I think the NDIS is an awesome concept. It really annoys me when people say “what have Labor actually done?” because to me they have done so much! (and I’m a Greens voter too!)

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        • Anonymous

          robyn and oliveblanche – I agree with both of you. It seems strange to me that so many people commenting here that they would vote Liberal if Turnbull was the leader are not addressing the fact that the policies would still be the current Liberal party policies. So would they be voting for a personality?

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        • Rosie

          robyn and oliveblanche – I agree with both of you. I find it strange that so many people are commenting by saying they would vote Liberal if Turnbull was the leader. The policies would still be the same Liberal party policies. So would they be voting for a personality?

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          • Anonymous

            Exactly Rosie, I don’t get it either.

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            • Bradley

              I don’t get that either.

              Apparently a “bad” coalition policy will smell sweeter if it smells like Malcolm rather than Tony. Very, very interesting.

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    • Faybian

      I agree. I think whoever managed to put together a minority govt. was bound to have to compromise somewhere. I think if the ALP had gotten a majority we would still only be talking about a carbon tax.
      I do prefer Turnball to Abbott, but not enough to vote coalition if he was leader of the liberals. I’m happy enough to wait until next year and decide then.

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  33. Kasey

    I love Malcolm Turnbull, even though I’m left-leaning. Recently he has impressed me with his ability to “swim against the current” & advocate on issues which are against the party line (eg. same sex marriage). This shows courage and integrity. His speech above is another example of this – his insight into what the public wants, even if it means criticising himself and his colleagues.

    He is showing true leadership qualities (in my view), despite not being the leader of the party. He will have a considerable influence on politics in Australia because that sort of honesty is refreshing. It won’t matter if he is leader or not.

    On a side note – I think he’s hot!! Charismatic, attractive. Especially for an older bloke. Please tell me I’m not alone in this. (I’ve just ruined any credibility I had right… ?) Oh well. I’m being honest.

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    • Bec

      Yep, he is a silver fox, I think it is his intelligence and charisma rather than classic good looks, but yes he has something about him doesn’t he. Ok we both just ruined our credibility and probably degraded this intelligent political discussion.

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      • Kasey

        Thank you! It’s not just me :) I get some odd looks when I mention this at dinner parties.

        I think Malcolm is a brilliant speaker – but remember when people said he was too pompous?

        To me, being able to inspire people with words and make a great speech is an under-estimated skill in politics. Look at Barack and Michelle. They are awesome at it.

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      • wdidn

        No Bec & Kasey – you didn’t both ruin your credibility and degrade this intelligent political discussion.

        He is a thinking woman’s man! I just Googled him and he’s a few months older than my dad. *blush – but I still want him.

        However, I’d rather have him as Australia’s PM if forced to choose.

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  34. Kasey

    I love Malcolm Turnbull, even though I’m left leaning. Recently he has really impressed me with his ability to “swim against the current” & advocate on issues which are against the party line (eg. same sex marriage). He does not sacrifice the truth or his own integrity for the “greater good” of the party. His speech (extracted above) shows me that he has the insight to recognise what the public want, even if that means criticising his colleagues and himself.

    On a side note, I think he is charismatic and attractive. I am not afraid to admit that I find him HOT!! (This just took away any credibility I had in my comment.. right?) Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

    I think he is showing leadership qualities even if he is not the leader of the party. And I think he will have a considerable influence on politics no matter what position he has.

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    • Bradley

      With respect, any politician who is elected as a member of a party and then proceeds to push a different agenda should consider the electoral chances of standing as an independent come the next election.

      Turnbull has been pushing his own barrow for some time. He would earn my respect if he moved to the cross benches with the independents and gave up that fat salary that comes from sitting on the opposition front bench. This is his big chance to put his money where his mouth is and lead by example.

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  35. CC

    Look, I get it…however I just think his message is so…I can’t even think of the right word….Pollyanna maybe…He has always had his feet firmly planted in both camps and just loves to be the pin up boy for the middle ground. Start a party and compete Malcolm…I can assure you that the spin that he so despises will be coming from his own mouth!

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    • Bradley

      Yep. Yep. Yep !

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  36. wdidn

    His voice alone does things for me! But I love what he has to say too.
    I always felt he should have his own party. How can he be in the same party as Abbott?

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  37. B

    I have always been a big fan of Malcolm Turnbull, although I am a more left leaning voter. He seems to be a voice of common sense in parliament when it just doesn’t seem to exist anymore. If he were leader of the Liberal Party, I would definitely consider sending my vote their way.
    I feel politics has indeed changed, it seems we are never out of an election with parties constantly campaigning as though it’s a big competition and all about winning rather than focusing on running the country. I think because of this the climate remains too conservative with no one wanting to rock the boat. I almost wish the poll didn’t exist.

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  38. Angie

    This is why I love Malcolm Turnbull.

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  39. Neeks

    I’m still trying to read the whole thing but HOLY HELL is it a breath of fresh air. My opinion of Malcolm Turnbull just sky-rocketed on that piece. It reflected my feeling on the state of politics in Australia exactly.

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  40. FNB

    I love you Malcolm

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  41. sarahlew

    Politics has definitely changed in some ways, though with some positions there still remains deep-set conservatism. I feel that the two major parties are not diversifying themselves as well as they should, to keep up with the changing world. With the prolific shifting media and the dynamics this has enabled (ie bringing out the mass ‘voice of the people’ via social media, instantly and interactively) this has meant opinions are now more than ever in the peripheral and politicians are urged to face them to gather real insight into our priorities. It was a sad day when Bob Brown stepped down as senator.

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  42. Vaginatarian

    I’ve always had an admiration of Malcolm Turnbull, but have always voted left wing. His appearances on Q&A and his stand with Australia being a republic are outstanding.
    If more politicians (and we have a multitude of them at local, state and federal level) were honest with their constituents, and themselves, we may have an end to issues that continue to plague our country – state v federal v state on education, health, transport, etc. and foreign policy particularly asylum seekers.
    There are a good number of politicians in this boat but they are drowned out by the media highlighting the bad ones and bad decisions – of which there are multitudes.

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    • Bradley

      Completely off topic…..I love your pen name !

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  43. Jeffrey Quinn

    No. He should not be our next Prime Minister.

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    • luckyducky

      why not?

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      • Bec

        Yes why not? please give us your well thought out answer and intelligent political reasoning. So much more interesting than Yes or No answers.

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