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Catherine Deveny doesn't have a problem with her body

Yesterday we received an email from Catherine Deveny. It was a photo of her in bathers. She was miffed. WHEN, she asked, are women going to stop worrying? She’d read this post on Mamamia and she wanted to stage a coup on dissatisfaction. We asked her a few questions.

Q: You’re sick of the constant portrayal as skinny as the ‘only’ desirable body type. You wanted to say something about female bodies?

A: There will always be men who love big, voluptuous, buxom, ba-boom ba-boom women. They always have and always will and they will NEVER go out of fashion despite what media would have the gullible believe.

Any suggestion otherwise is people manipulating the world to make women feel NOT GOOD ENOUGH. I was watching the ARIAs the other night and every single one of the women looked exactly the same. Skinny, manicured, fake tan, fake teeth, fake tits. Same, same, same, same, same with the exception of Clare Bowditch. She was stunning, glowing and gorgeous.

I was in a supermarket once and I saw this skinny, withered old woman, maybe 75, flicking through at a magazine called Slimmers or something and I wanted to tap her on the shoulder and say “When are you going to stop worrying? You are good enough.”

If women look at any of the stats or any of the scientific research about sexual attraction, men will always find the slightly overweight woman more attractive than the slightly underweight woman.

Q: So bigger can also be sexy then.

A: It’s not all about sexual attraction.  It’s about health and confidence and enjoyment of life! I was perved at by two women the other day.  I went into Babka’s the other day and a woman I sort of knew came up and said hello.  Then another woman I sort of knew joined us. The both admitted they were checking out my ‘awesome curves’ and then realised it was me.

Even today I have ridden 20km, ran 6km and had a shag before I got up and I’m looking forward to having a Mars Bar mud cake for dessert tonight.

It’s only about health to me. Women today never heard anything positive said by other women about their bodies when they were growing up. And even now that’s the case, it’s just constant negativity. This mantra of NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

Q: Do you think women feel they constantly need to apologise for the way they look?

A: Well I am not apologetic.  I LOVE and constantly flaunt my 80 kilo size 16 bod. Tight dresses, short skirts and tits out on a daily basis.   I love my 80kilo size 16 bod! I run, cycle, swim, strip off and shag whenever I have the opportunity.

Q: You’re not a fan of bullshit. Where does all this body image ‘bullshit’ come from?

A: I don’t have any daughters to encourage a healthy body image with and the only thing you can do really is set a good example. But I see little girls all the time, constantly told they are ‘pretty’ or ‘isn’t she beautiful’ or alternatively a ‘big girl’ or ‘not much to look at.’ But never the boys. I have sons and their looks are rarely mentioned.  Yet it’s all I hear about girls.  Let me make one thing really clear. Never ever, ever, ever, ever comment on a little girl’s looks. Tell her anything else. Tell her that she is resilient, that she has a good brain, that she has a strong sense of social justice, she’s strong, brave, a good tryer, has great business skills, fantastic critical thinking but NEVER comment on her looks.

You are not good enough. That’s the only message girls get from the media.

Here’s the message little girls need.  It doesn’t matter what people think about how you look. It only matters how you feel about yourself.

Q: But have you felt just as happy when you were thinner?

A: Twice in my life I have lost a lot of weight. When I suffered depression and when I had cancer. I looked sick, like a cadaver.  Yet strangers would tell me how amazing I looked when I was at my most unwell.

You are never going to know the happiest we are to your eye. You are never going to know the best we are to your eye. It is not about that. It is about being healthy.

I see people look back on photos of themselves and say “Look how skinny I was and to think I thought I was fat.”

Guess what people, that might be today.  How you look today you may look back on and wish you hadn’t spent all that time worrying because another you, an older, fatter, skinnier, more secure you may think the way you look today is perfect.

Q: Right, let’s talk advertising and media then. What’s up with the fetishism around women’s bodies?

A: Advertising and media industries sell dissatisfaction. They need to say ‘you are not good enough’ in order to make you buy stuff. They have a vested interest in making sure this happens. It is disease-mongering. That’s what it is.

Choose love.  Choose satisfaction.  Choose you. You are gorgeous.  Someone out there would KILL to look like you.

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Ricki-Lee on the cover of Maxim - heavily air-brushed

Q: Having said all of this, does this make the case of Ricki-Lee’s weight loss a tragedy of pressure? Or is she just doing what she wants?

A; Look I’m not a fan. But I’m not not a fan. I think she’s a gutsy girl and I liked the look of her. From what I’ve read in magazines in doctor’s surgery waiting rooms she hasn’t had it easy and pulled through.   Then I saw the photos of her after she lost all that weight and she looks unrecognisable … but she looked just like everyone else. I’m glad she’s happy, if she is, but I just wish it was a different kind of happy for her. We liked her so much because she was NOT like them but had the confidence to be herself not to subscribe to some unattainable, cookie cutter image dreamed up by people who want women to hate themselves and each other. Never thin, blonde or tanned enough.  Hungry, grumpy and worried.  No thanks.
Just.  Say.  No.

Me? I like my body to be like a statue. Like architecture. Majestic, recognisable, sturdy and healthy. I have never wanted a cookie-cutter body.

Women who are trying to live up to the warped media construction of ‘perfect’ cooked up solely to breed and fertilize dissatisfaction in order to sell stuff are hungry, cranky and worried all the time. There are millions of different shapes and sizes and they are all beautiful. There is no one perfect size. Let’s celebrate that.

Q; And the people who called Lara Bingle fat?

A: The whole Lara Bingle thing, I saw this happy, healthy bird on this poster and something like ‘Lara upset by fat taunts’ and I thought ‘who are these people and why are they calling her fat’? What’s in it for them? They should be stripped down and photographed.

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Lara Bingle on the cover of Who magazine

Q: So, what’s the message then? What does it all come down to for you?

A: I find it sad bordering on offensive women who are size 10 or 12 saying they are fat. Why do you by this dissatisfaction?

I don’t want women to feel like they are trapped in a body they don’t want. And that goes both ways. If you want to be less hungry and grumpier get curvier, eat a little more and exercise less, if you want to be thinner than what you are now, do the opposite. If you are not happy, change. And don’t blame anyone else for it. Own your body. That goes for addiction too. Own what you put into it and what you want it to be. Do you want it to wobble?  Do you want it to be hungry? Your choice.

Sometimes I think “There are people out there and if they had my body they’d think they were too fat and others who would be rapt and think they were skinny. It’s all a matter of perspective.”  I LOVE that new campaign ‘healthy is the new skinny.”  I was so sad to hear the number one thing women and girls want is to lose weight.

Have a pie, go for a walk and look around at the world.  You are good enough. And there are plenty of more interesting, fun, valuable and life affirming things you can be doing than being a slave to dissatisfaction.

There have been people who have been very vocal about my body confidence. Basically saying I didn’t have the right to feel as confident with my body as I am. Not playing the game is very threatening for people. I don’t lie down in the chalk outline drawn for me.

Women with body shapes like mine are rarely seen in the media, but when they are people make a big fizz (Adele, Kate Cebrano, Mad Men’s, Christina Hendricks, Marilyn Monroe). I’ll let you in on a secret, we’re never hungry and we never short of lovers.

Ever.

Just to illustrate how times have changed, attitudes about what society says is ‘sexy’ have done a complete reversal as these old weight-gain advertisements show:

What do you LOVE about your body? Are you willing to show it off? Catherine’s asking readers to send in a photo – in your bathers if you want – to show the world. Ready to take the dare?

Catherine Deveny is a writer, comedian and social commentator. Her novel The Happiness Show will be published in 2012 by Black Inc Books. The photo of Catherine was taken by photographer Carla Gottgens and she is wearing Esther Williams bathers, which you can find here.

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689 Comments so far

  1. Lorelai

    Thank you so much Catherine. I have been a Mama Mia read for quite some time now, but never felt the urge to comment. This article had me in tears.

    I’m a Girl Guide Leader working with girls aged 10-16, and it upsets me so much watching the body hate that these girls display from such a young age. But what upsets me more is how much of a hypocrite I am. As someone who has flirted with both anorexia and bulimia, I’ve never felt good enough – not even at my lowest weight. But reading the obvious pride and openness of this story makes me want to model Catherine’s attitudes to my girls.

    I don’t know that this article is enough to reverse 23 years of insistent messages about the way I look, but it’s a step in the right direction.

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  2. Anonymous

    those adds are just as offensive as the currently prolific ones for slimming…. obviously the problem with both is that they encourage women to feel undesirable due to their size… bodies are different. lifestyles are different. the point is that it doesn’t matter. beauty does not make you.

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  3. OK

    So I’ve been reading through all the comments on and off this afternoon…lots of people proud of who they are…lots of people insecure about their bodies too…some people worrying that their breasts are too small or their thighs too big…whatever!

    ENOUGH ALREADY!

    You are women…you are all attractive…I guarantee I’d find something attractive about each and every one of you…dammit, I’d “Do” each and every one of you!* Right here, right now! There – I said it!

    Celebrate yourselves in all you diversity! You are all wonderful!

    [*Disclaimer...R would kill me if I "did" even one of you...so, you know...I may not be able to prove my claim.]

    :)

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    • fender4eva

      Plus one, JJ !…… ;-)

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    • sjb1273

      Hang on. Am I meant to feel grateful for your benevolence? Because, you know, I’m not wanting to be ‘done’. I’m just wanting to find clothes that fit. For women to feel like they can be who they are, instead of same/same as everyone else. For women who, for cultural reasons, have a more pronounced shape to be happier about being that shape. For adolescent girls to think ‘wow, cool’ about growing into their curves instead of starving themselves for fear they’ll be labelled fat instead of normal. For clothing designers to design, and cut, clothes of all sizes to accomodate women with hips and boobs instead of promoting boy-ish/lollypop shapes as ideal. For modelling agencies to stop using 13-15 year old girls as ‘discoveries’ to sell clothes to older women (many of whom have had children and whose bodies change as a result of this) when they haven’t hit puberty yet.
      For cosmetic surgery to be outlawed.
      And for you to reduce this complex debate about body image to going ‘hey, I’d do youse all’ is tacky, not to mention overly simplistic and a wee bit offensive.
      Just so you know.

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      • Nora

        I’d do you = you’re all totally hot, relax a little and appreciate who you are and what you have to offer ;-)

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        • Nora, Thank you for taking it in the way it was intended!

          :)

          sjb1273, my comment was intended to mirror everything you just said…I just said it in a different way…and I’m not ashamed to articulate how much I appreciate the female form in all its guises…where you got the idea that I think anyone would feel “grateful for my benevolence” (whatever that means) I have no idea…

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          • rachael1260

            I get you, John James. I think you’re right. Ifyou look at anyone and get to know them, you are going to find something about them attractive. Women are beautiful, especially when they smell nice ( i love perfume) and look happy.

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          • sjb1273

            No, you said ‘whatever, I’d still do you’. Again, reducing this discussion to sex misses 95% of the debate. Perhaps your comment doesn’t suffer from the right intention wrongly interpreted as it does from poor expression.

            I know I’m probably alone here but I genuinely beieve that there are gender issues that the opposite sex should refrain from commenting about. I’m not sure what kind of value-add men can give to a discussion about female body image; I’m also an avid listener when men talk about their own issues with body image, for example.

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            • ” you said ‘whatever, I’d still do you’. ”

              No I didn’t…I would never say anything dismissive like that…

              What I did say was this: “You are women…you are all attractive…I guarantee I’d find something attractive about each and every one of you…dammit, I’d “Do” each and every one of you!* Right here, right now! There – I said it!”

              …which is an affirmation of how I feel about women…

              Stop misquoting me for your own agenda!

              And stop taking one sentence out of my comment and using it out of context…if you read my comment as a whole, it is a positive statement about why women should stop judging themselves so much, because, in the end, we men don’t see the “imperfections” that many women seem to care about.

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      • MissT

        His point is that we are all beautiful and, as a man, he doesn’t see what we’re all worried about.

        I know JJ is neither tacky, nor simplistic and didn’t mean to be offensive. It was a joke, playing on Catherine’s emphasis on how much action she gets.

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        • …and as Catherine often posts on twitter, ” I hope you don’t die and I hope you get laid!”

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      • jayjay

        well said… I read the original comment and went eeew on the inside

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  4. Clementine Ford

    This is so true. The default position – particularly from people who love to hate on fat people and dress it up as being ‘concerned’ about their health – is that thin=healthy. People who carry fat on their bodies are also capable of being very healthy and fit, but we find it impossible to believe that in our society because we never see it or talk about it. On the other hand, people might be thin because they don’t eat enough, or they smoke excessively, or they have a bad diet and a fast metabolism. Weight is not an indicator of health. I play roller derby and if you ever needed a more diverse picture of healthy, fit women of all shapes and sizes doing an extremely demanding sport, then you should check out a game. Some of the fittest, strongest women I know have what would be considered ‘thunder thighs’ – but they look like Hot Babes in fishnets and hot pants, smashing their way around a track.

    *Sorry, this was supposed to be in reply to someone who said that one of the problems is equating thinness with healthiness and fatness with unhealthiness.*

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    • missneriss

      Is there a cooler sport than roller derby? Wish I could skate so I could play!

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      • Mel Myers

        Most girls who start out playing roller derby don’t know how to skate when they first start, but they soon learn. I’d highly encourage you to give it a go if there’s a league near you…

        And like Clementine says, the girls who play come in all shapes and cup sizes and there is never ANY discussion of about what anyone looks like (at least that’s my experience). It’s just about the sport and the friendships — no one gives a shit what body type/shape/weight you are.

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        • missneriss

          I have a friend who plays in a league, I might give it a go if I can find the courage! I used to play rugby at uni, so I don’t have the fear of being beaten up for fun..!

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    • detachableprincess

      My sister refs roller derby, and you are SO RIGHT. Big, small, short, tall, bubble-butts, flat bums, nobody cares!

      What league are you with?

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  5. savannahofaus

    Alright, I’ll take the challenge and post a picture. This is me about 5kg heavier than I’d like to be. This is a bit of a leap of faith for me as I haven’t been hugely happy with the weight gain but I am working on it. I’ve been trying to not flog myself mentally over it as I am still a very fit person – I play state league netball and do dance classes. I am strong and fit, 175cm, normally a size 12 but at the moment a little bigger.

    For years I have battled with negative body image despite always being a healthy and fit person. It is sad that the media constantly pushes one particular shape as ideal. We should be focused on being healthy, rather than a certain number on the scales.

    Some people are skinny. Some people aren’t. There is nothing wrong with being either of those things! Isn’t it time, as females, we supported each other? There is no need to put anyone else down in order to boost your own ego.

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    • monique

      I think you look beautiful :)

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    • Kirsten

      You look totally gorgeous. Well done for posting!

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    • I like your togs – they (and you!) look great!! :)

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    • MissT

      Stunner!

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    • missneriss

      You are gorgeous, and those swimmers! Where can I get a pair?!

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      • savannahofaus

        They’re from Megan Gale’s ‘Isola’ brand at David Jones :)

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    • JL

      U look amazing…but im very worried about yoru skin…u look like you are getting a little burnt on your legs..make sure you have sunblock on…that is the MOST important issue! U look excellent though and i think the smiling makes u look even more wonderful! smiling makes everyone always look better i think :)

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    • Siobhan

      I think you look great! You remind me of Sophie Ellis-Bextor.

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    • savannahofaus

      Thanks everybody! The funny thing about this photo is that a friend posted it on facebook without me knowing – and at first, I was so angry with her! My first reaction was negative – “oh my god, I look terrible, my thighs are huge, I am so white, my hair is a mess, I have no make up on”. Then the rational part of my brain took over and told myself that I was being insane. ;)

      But this is the issue at the heart of the matter – we are brainwashed into constant negativity about ourselves, when really, there is nothing much to be negative about.

      Thanks agains for all your lovely comments, I really appreciate it so much! xx

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  6. Just Saying

    I totally get where Catherine is coming from. Brainwashing females in to a state of constant dissatisfaction is the job of companies that want to sell product, particularly the advertising industry. It all starts at the birth of a girl. The constant societal judgment and comments on how a little girl looks, dresses and behaves helps to prep girls in to becoming the perfect consumers when they grow up.

    Why is it that women can buy every single conceivable make up, skin and hair care product, fashionable clothing item yet the must have list just seems to grow and grow? The choice for women to buy stuff is astounding. Men on the other hand struggle to even wear moisturizer or sunscreen on a daily basis and their clothing choices are pretty much limited to t-shirts, shorts, shirts, pants and jackets. Yes, there is no denying the fact that there are some men that are now obsessed with having the perfect body and clothes but this group is still in the overwhelming minority.

    Fear is the most motivating emotion in human beings. The fear of not being “good enough” is a god damn powerful one (especially in women) and industries exploit this for profit to the max.

    It continues to astound me that my girlfriends that work in the very industries that feed off women’s insecurities to sell product just cannot see the bigger picture of what they are a part of. They lament and complain about their own bodies then go in to “strategic meetings” that discuss how to create or satisfy a need or desire within a consumer, namely, they discuss in a nice, diplomatic, euphemistic way things such as – ‘how do we fill the need with X product that will help sooth women’s insecurities?’ The creation of the product then fuels more insecurities and the vicious cycle is born.

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  7. Michelle

    Love this…love you! Awesome, what we all need. Fabulous, brilliant, wonderful – thank you!

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  8. Jo Hilder

    You know what? Men (heterosexual ones anyway) don’t prefer curvy women…they prefer naked ones. It’s women who get hung up on what their bodies look like. Men pretty much couldn’t care less.

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  9. Rosa

    I love my body – at 23 years old, I’ve got real boobs, bum and tummy – sure I occasionally wish my bits didn’t wobble quite so much when I run, but I’d hate to be bony or starving all the time. I love how Dev puts it “If you want to be less hungry … get curvier, eat a little more and exercise less, if you want to be thinner than what you are now, do the opposite.” I have friends who have wanted to put on weight, so I’m glad she’s not stigmatising them for their bodies either – basically, we all need to love what we have naturally, and if you really want to change it you can – just don’t forget to take care of yourself and be healthy too!

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    • Rick Morton

      Awesome!

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    • anonymouse

      So, how are your boobs, bum and tummy any more real than ANY other woman’s??? Again with the “real women have curves/bums/boobs/whatever.” No, ALL women have those things, no matter what size they are!!!!!

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      • Lulu

        “how are your boobs, bum and tummy any more real than ANY other woman’s”

        Depends on who the other woman is – and her cosmetic surgeon.

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        • anonymouse

          You DO make an excellent point there Lulu :)

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      • The Sage Stylista

        I think she just meant that her breasts aren’t fake… I don’t think that she was saying that the large size means that they are more ‘real’ than all the smaller counterparts out there :S

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    • Anouk

      That’s great Rosa!
      Myself,i’m bony,skinny,but never starving,and boy,do i love those hipbones jutting out!
      I have no boobs,no bum and no tummy,but guess what,it’s all real too,just like you:).
      I feel most comfortable the way i am,but that doesn’t mean i don’t think you look awesome in your photo there,because you do!!

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  10. jess88

    People need to understand that some people are overweight due to not respecting their body’s, alot of ‘naughty’ food is BAD for you! Too much sugar, transfats ect is bad fuel for our machines. The only thing that matters is that we fuel our bodies up with the right food and excersize to keep ourselves in the best condition we can for our health, not how fat/thin someone is.
    A pet peeve of mine is people who bitch and moan ‘I’m so fat, it’s so hard for me to lose weight’ while sitting on the couch eating KFC.
    I’m 5’4 and 76kg with breast implants, I’m not society’s norm of ‘sexy’ but the time I feel the least sexy is when I’ve not been excersizing or eating correctly because I know that I’ve not been respecting my body.

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  11. curvynot

    I wish I could say I love my body but I’m pearshaped and I don’t feel sexy at all. Nor do I like my oversized stomach which still looks pregnant years after giving birth. I’d love being a size 16 too if I was proportional and curvy but I’ve got a size 16 bum and a size 12 bust which is NEVER shown in the ‘real women’ stuff. What I’d give to have a size 16 top too !!

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  12. amelia

    Women everywhere, all around you, are suffering every day as a result of the media and its insistence on labelling normal-sized women who live their lives in the public eye “fat”.

    As a teenager, I watched my 15-year-old friends vomit their food, cut and starve their bodies and drown their body-hatred in alcohol and substances. That is how much they hated their growing, changing, beautiful burgeoning bodies. That’s how much they wished they could make themselves disappear.

    As a woman in my mid-twenties, I now watch my friends struggling to find a middle ground in which they don’t hate themselves for eating food, for having breasts and hips and thighs, for being able to pinch their flesh between their fingers.

    Our definitions of what is healthy and normal for women have become so disordered.

    I think the time for sensible discussion about what constitutes “fat” has passed. We have had those discussions and we are collectively more conflicted, more tormented than ever. We have endlessly debated what the ideal body shape for women is, and how to be it. We have all stood by and watched the bullying. We have all been part of the problem. We have all been guilty of calling our friends fat behind their back, of judging women we know nothing about, of buying magazines to witness the endless, mindless procession of “I was miserable fat and now I am happy thin” stories.

    I’m calling for the end to our OWN hatred for and derision of women. I’m calling for women everywhere to stand together and refuse to buy into the “fat” bullshit. Be your own body icon. Throw out the gossip magazines and their pathetic “lose five kilos by Friday” diet guides.

    Stop calling other women fat. Judge them for their brain, their personality, their talents and attributes, their kindness, their ability to laugh, their intellect.

    Stop judging them for their flesh.

    Be part of the solution.

    This is an excerpt of a blog post I wrote about this issue last week. You can read the complete post here:

    http://ameliaalisoun.wordpress.com/2011/11/22/fat-hate-and-hypocrisy/

    xx

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  13. Clementine Ford

    So often, it seems that articles/interviews like this result in the comments section descending into outraged rants over supposed ‘skinny bashing’. I don’t think there’s anything in Catherine’s interview that suggests she thinks thin women are the enemy. In fact, she takes great pains to encourage women to do what makes them happy, and if being thinner makes them happy then they can change to accommodate that. But thinking you HAVE to be thin and depriving yourself accordingly does NOT make you happy. Being happy being larger is NOT a crime.

    To me, it seems perfectly obvious that the enemy is actual the pervasive need for our culture to own women’s bodies.

    Advertising dictates to us the ideal body shape, and extraordinarily few women will ever be able to achieve it. But just when we think we know what our unattainable goal is, they go and change the rules. Suddenly, Keira Knightley is too thin and our next Ideal Woman is Christina Hendricks. We’re told to love Hendricks because she’s a ‘real woman’ and she has ‘curves’, and that language is filtered down to be used by women who hold it up as a sign of achievement over other women, NOT because they hate women inherently but because women have been taught and encouraged to hate each other through mass media. As a 5 foot 10 woman with small breasts, wide hips and strong shoulders, I have just as much chance – if not less – of looking like Christina Hendricks than I do of starving myself to look like Knightley, who I accept is probably naturally very thin. I don’t think either one of these women is more ‘real’ than me.

    But where do you think the ‘real women’ backlash came from? Yes, it’s terribly unfair and unfortunate and personally I hate it and always make an effort to disagree when anyone uses it as a means of elevating one set of women above another. But it arose out of a society that loves telling women who don’t fit the very narrow definition of attractiveness (and in this period of society, that just happens to be thin) that there was something wrong with them.

    I would personally love to move to a point in society where we stop talking about women’s bodies altogether, trying to justify them or question where they fit in on the spectrum of acceptability. We’re all acceptable! And we should all strive to be happy! If being a small breasted, big boned, ham legged giant makes you happy, be happy! If existing outside of the standards of attractiveness makes you happy, own that shit! And if naturally falling into the body shape that society deems attractive makes you feel ‘lucky’, then be happy but also recognise that everyone deserves to feel that acceptability, and advocate for it whenever the opportunity arises.

    Finally, the most irritating thing all these debates seem to come down to is what men find most attractive. Isn’t this how this all got started? Because advertisers are always looking for a new ideal to try and sell women in order to land them a man? I don’t really care if men prefer women who are ‘curvy’ or any other variation on a patronising, infantilising descriptor that turns women into playthings. Making a man happy is not the same as making yourself happy, and fashions always change. Thirty years ago, men were quite happy making sexy time with a post-pubescent, hairy vagina. Now both men and women have been trained to think that’s ugly and unclean. Unless we start defining our own happiness and our own version of what we find attractive, women will always suffer at the whims of marketing campaigns, and we will always find ourselves turning on each other in our efforts to scramble to the top of the pile.

    Great interview Catherine. You’re bodacious x

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    • Kylie L

      “Making a man happy is not the same as making yourself happy, and fashions always change…. Unless we start defining our own happiness and our own version of what we find attractive, women will always suffer at the whims of marketing campaigns, and we will always find ourselves turning on each other in our efforts to scramble to the top of the pile.”

      Oh, YEAH. Sing it! Great comment.

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    • Nicki

      Well said. This is what Naomi Wolf was trying articulate in her book, The Beauty Myth. And look at how she was howled down.

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    • Rick Morton

      I heart you.

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    • Just Saying

      Thank you for this comment Clementine. Perfectly expressed and articulated.

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  14. Guest

    I like how the girls at the ARIA’s look. I like fake tan, fake nails, white teeth and I’m considering fake boobs. I prefer to be slim, but don’t care about other’s bodies. I’m also not stupid, university educated and about to do my Master’s. I’m aware of the influence of media and fashion on what I like. But these are my choices and Catherine Deveney sneers at the look I like. “Rickie-Lee looks like everyone else” sorry Catherine but your look is just as average and just as stereotypical for a certain group. Hate to burst your ‘i’m so individual’ bubble.

    I don’t know why MM ran a piece by a woman who in trying to sell us positive body image hates on other women and their choices. Doesn’t this woman identify as a feminist? Some feminist, slagging off other women’s choices and likes.

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    • sjb1273

      I think that she is expressing the opinions of an unvoiced majority. The minority of people look the way you do/would like to; its being held up as an unrealistic yet ideal norm.
      This is aimed at swinging the pendulum back the other way.
      Feminism is about articulating all facets of the debate, not just going along with a mainstream view (one which is, unfailingly, put together by old, white, fat men). So even if you do feel as though she is ‘slagging off’ your choices, feel happy that as a feminist, I’m sure you agree with her right to have an opinion in the first place.

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    • Anonymous

      love your comment, you have described me and what i feel about this article perfectly. the average australian women is what size12-14?… so im pretty sure catherine looks like everyone else on the street not ricki-lee. ricki-lee may look like everyone else in hollywood bu in real life catherine your the norm.

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    • Skinnyrealwoman

      I agree, she’s still mocking a body type, which is thin women. But I get the basic intent of the article: to us all be appreciative of our bodies, whatever the shape.
      The thing I hate most about the media and those influenced by it, is the saying ‘real women’. Can we just bury that one. If we have the right parts then yes we’re real women. Just because I’m 47kgs (naturally), am an A cup and barely fill out a pair of skinny jeans, doesn’t make me fake or false. There’s still larger women with revolting fake nails, more make-up and hairspray then a drag show, and weighed down with jewelry….these things a crutch for insecurities, which the media says will make us all feel better. Frankly there are days when I do feel better dolled up to nines, then there’s others when I’m just as happy to leave the house complete with unwashed hair, trackies complete with tea stains, not a scrap of make-up.
      Frankly I feel just as shit as everyone else when I don’t eat right or exercise. Be healthy then comes happy.

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  15. Jane

    My 37 year old body has birthed two children, and my belly tells this tale. My breasts are now size E, two cups sizes bigger than when I reached adulthood. My legs and arms are still slender. In summary, I am not any one size: my hips and belly are 14, my chest is 16, my legs and arms are 10-12. It doesn’t matter that I am comfortable with my body, I still hate shopping for clothes!!

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  16. Shannon

    I was taking a bit of time to chill, to get away from some of the negativity that has stirred in me after this post, and I found myself here:

    http://stophatingyourbody.tumblr.com/

    Go to that Tumblr. Hit “archive”. Every kind of body, every kind of shape, every kind of story. Some healthy, some not, all posted with a view to loving our bodies no matter what anyone else says.

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    • TJ's

      You know what; from what I’ve read of your comments you seem like a lovely intelligent woman, if your thin you thin, if your fat your fat. It doesn’t matter, what matters is how you treat others becuase I’m a big believer in a person’s personality shining through.

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  17. MissT

    I’ll take the dare.

    I used to be one of those girls you are claiming are hungry, and I wasn’t. I used to eat maccas, KFC, chocolate, ice cream, sweets, it didn’t matter. I was skinny and I wasn’t healthy.

    I went to the gym twice a week for a year. I gained 10kg and I am healthy for the first time in my life. I’m happy with my body for the first time in my life, even though it was a pain in the ass to get it like this.

    Learning to love my body was a long, hard journey (you can read about it here and I still wish I was someone else sometimes.

    But I’m not someone else, I’m me, and being the healthiest I can be is perfect.

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    • MissT

      In the interest of being honest, here is what I used to look like:

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      • MissT

        Thank you to all who commented. In the words of a very dear friend of mine:

        Be brave, be bold, be you.

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    • The Sage Stylista

      Gorgeous. I love, not just your body, but your body LANGUAGE (and outfit). You are flaunting with sass, but not getting crass! Truly, you are to be commended, on finding your path in society’s hallway of fun-house mirrors, and sticking with your instincts about what’s right for you.

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    • Anon

      I’d better be anonymous for this, but you are HOT, MissT !

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      • Kylie L

        +1

        And I’m not being anonymous. That way she can find me.

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    • picardie.girl

      Holy crap, girl. Phwoar! :)

      I love your boldness and audacity. It inspires me to be more daring. I’m going to work hard tonight at pilates and let myself feel really good for it afterwards.

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    • JosieY

      Miss T, I have a girl crush!

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    • Nicki

      That jacket rocks, MissT! You look lovely :)

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    • MissV

      i love love love your jacket!!! if you ever get rid of it i’ll have it!!!

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      • MissT

        Nikki & MissV, which jacket? Both are from Cue and both have lasted longer than 5 years. They’re winners :)

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    • Lovena

      Definite je ne sais quoi Miss T! It’s about confidence, being healthy, balance and not treating your body like a rubbish bin nor denying the body the nutrients it requires by going to extremes.

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    • melinka

      You do look lovely MissT. I also think you looked pretty good in the before shot :)

      Point is, it’s the fact that you now love your body that is getting all these admiring comments! Self-confidence shines through and you look tres healthy to boot. It’s great that you are taking good care of yourself.

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      • MissT

        And my body is doing what it was meant to do – it’s able to walk, run, jump, lift, without me getting tired and having to have a sit down.

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    • lol

      did you get professional portraits done? that seems a little teeny bit vain don’t you think. I hope you didn’t pay for this shot, it kind of seems awkward and embarrassing lol.

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  18. backagain

    I think articles about how you feel about your body would hold more weight (apologies for pun) if they were written without ONE SINGLE MENTION OF SIZE!! let’s write, talk, think, read about women who love their bodies and how it feels to be kind to their bodies without telling anyone else how much they weigh and what size they wear. Because we don’t seem to be able to have an article on femal body acceptance without everyone getting defensive or upset.

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    • picardie.girl

      Oh my gosh, this is such a ‘lightbulb’ comment! More of a ‘this is how it feels to be me’ and less of a ‘this is what I look like’. Because in the end, it’s how you feel about it that matters. Body image hell is hell regardless of how other people see you.

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    • Lulu

      It’s a vicious circle, though – it’s difficult to talk about body acceptance without talking about your body. And when so much body hatred is based on weight, it’s difficult to talking about weight.

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      • backagain

        But Lulu couldn’t we give it a try? I could tell you all about how I feel about my body and what I do to and for my body, and I wouldn’t let you know what my dress shirt size is and how much the scales say so nobody could say to me ‘oh but you shouldn’t feel that way because you are actually slim’ or ‘yes but if you lost all that weight you’d feel so much better’ – do you know what I mean? :)

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    • katie

      couldn’t agree with you more

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  19. katrina B

    Good on you for feeling great about yourself…
    BUT…. why must you compare yourself to the “fake tanned, fake boobed, skinny women” to make you feel good about your curves?

    I’m done with the comparisons… good on you “Skinny” people and good on you “Fat” people as long as you are actually happy then stop putting down those that are different to you to prove it!

    It’s our differences that make us special :)

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  20. missamoo

    As some one who has been teeny (170 cm & 53kg) and now i weigh about 70kg. I am big boned and also hourglassed shaped so while i am often the only person who noticed my weight gain or loss. I was a professional dancer and my whole world was wrapped up in my size. It’s hard now to lose weight for the right reasons. I want to feel happy about my body but i never know what that means because even at my skinniest i thought i was fat. So i agree that it should be about feeding your body and soul with fantastic food and exercise and things that make you happy. Interestingly enough i don’t know if it is a small amount of weight loss or the better food and exercise but recently some one i know asked who i was. My friend replied and the other guy said “does she always look that good?”. So weight loss? or confidence that i am doing the right thing for my body?. One other thing i have always had boobs right now i’m about 105cm (eeshk!) but sometimes men are all about them and not about me at all. It get’s boring and having a curvy body can also get you the wrong kind of attention. Think less wife and more bit on the side. I like who i am but sometimes it’s a fight to get your personality past your attributes whatever they are.

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  21. Rach

    So…in order to feel good about ourselves we have to put those not like us down? Feeling good about yourself should be regardless of others, otherwise its not truly about ‘yourself’.

    Like many others, I am naturally slim. I find it hard to put on weight, and a bout of gastro can leave me looking and feeling very ill for weeks with the (proportional) amount of weight I lose. I don’t necessarily want to be this size, I’d love to be closer to a size 10 than a 6/8. But I’m relatively happy with my body shape at the moment (could always be healthier!)

    Healthy may be the new skinny (I assume we are talking fashionably), but I don’t think we should encourage body satisfaction of those who truly are overweight as much as we shouldn’t encourage those who aim to be super skinny. Neither is healthy. To a point, we shouldn’t even talk about it in terms of weight or dress size – they are relative to your frame, your height, etc. If you are eating sensibly (note: not dieting or completely depriving yourself) and doing a moderate amount of exercise, then you are looking after your body and have the right to be proud of however it turns out.

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  22. Anon

    I had the most heartbreaking experience a couple of weeks ago. My daughter and I were looking at photos of her 13th birthday pool party. A group of gorgeous girls in their bikinis having fun. But my daughter was upset. She didn’t like the photos of her. She thought she looked bad, big, unattractive. My heart sank. I’ve always been a huge advocate of positive body image and reinforcing how it important it is to be happy in your own skin. My experience as a young teen was being told by my father that I was fat and needed to lose weight. He has been on a diet my whole life and has issues with his own body and loves to push it on to everyone else. So I grew up thinking I was fat. And had no confidence in my body nor much self esteem. That changed as I reached my twenties and realised actually I wasn’t fat but actually an average size and that my curves are actually really attractive, as is my figure, face, eyes, hair. I’m happy with my lot. And to see my daughter with tears in her eyes measuring herself against the other girls and thinking she didn’t look good. It broke my heart. And made me so worried. Thankfully she seemed to get over it pretty quickly but it gave me a fright. I’ve been as positive as I can be about her body and herself and I can only put it down to the pressure of her peer group and what she sees in magazines and all around her in the shops and on TV. It certainly made me wake up and I will be keeping an eye on her because I really want her to see she is just beautiful inside and out just the way she is.

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  23. cups of tea

    I just looked through those photos and felt a bit sick really. I’m 5″7′ and 60 kilos – I’m happy being on the thin side. If I put on weight, it doesn’t go to my boobs, it goes to my thighs.
    I don’t want to think that guys are looking at me and thinking there’s no sex appeal because I have small boobs! I’m always going to look that way, unless I get a fake ones (which I won’t).
    Catherine, I get it that you like your curves – because you are an hour glass figure! You’re not an apple, or pear, or whatever else Trinny and Susannah label it.
    But in your rush to promote your figure, please don’t make small breasted women feel bad…

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    • MissT

      I don’t think the MM Team or Catherine were pointing to those pics as being good, they’re pretty awful actually, just as manipulative, they were just illustrating how the advertisers definition of what is sexy has changed.

      At least, that’s what I took from it and I’m 5’9 & a size 8 ;)

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      • cups of tea

        I’m hoping you’re right, but they do reflect Catherine’s point ” men will always find the slightly overweight woman more attractive than the slightly underweight woman”

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        • pt

          I disagree, I think Dev’s point was that no matter what size combination you are if you like your body it shows and there will always be a willing partner who finds what you have to offer sexy as hell!

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      • Rick Morton

        That’s right! It was my decision to put them in here. I tried to word the intro to them carefully enough to make it known that it’s just about illustrating how things have changed … not about saying ‘let’s go back to this ideal of perfection!’ More of an exercise in media studies than an endorsement of the message…

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  24. bluebell

    Yes it’s always okay for people to say ‘skinny bitch’ to your face, assume you starve yourself, think you’ve had an easy life/ you can eat what you want etc but if us skinny gals walked up to people and said ‘ gee you’ve got a fat ass you must love stuffing your face’ well… the poo would really hit the fan then wouldn’t it! So sick of the double standards!!

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    • JosieY

      Nobody said that! At least, not that i’ve read down to here, apologies if someone has.

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      • MissT

        Not on here, but people have said it to my face. I think she meant someone had said it in life.

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  25. Mizzy

    Catherine just tweeted,

    “Hilarious! I’m being accused of skinny bashing by happy confident woman bashers! I love flushing out dickheads”

    Wow, just wow…

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    • Kateateight

      thanks for posting that Mizzy – I am not on Twitter, but it is interesting to get this ‘context’ of the author… she sounds like a real doll.

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    • D

      Thanks for posting, however this doesn’t surprise me, she has always been a crass, vulgar woman who doesn’t have anything nice to say about any other woman except herself. I can only assume that the people who are praising her here are not familiar with her work. I find her totally cringe-worthy but what would I know, I’m just some di*khead.

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      • Jess in Melbourne

        Few days ago – Mamamia celebrates Bindi Irwin as a role model.

        Now – Mamamia celebrates the woman that got fired for her vulgar Bindi Irwin jokes.

        Ummmm…??

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        • picardie.girl

          I’m not sure Mamamia is exactly ‘celebrating’ her. It’s an interview. They haven’t said anything about liking her views or anything like that.

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        • Rick Morton

          We don’t celebrate. If we do, you’ll know it! We do provide a website that publishes a HUGE variety of views. We’ve published Gillard, Abbott, Deveny, Erica Bartle, John James … just in that list alone I personally don’t celebrate all of them!

          I think you take the point.

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          • Wow! I was just made an example of on MM ;)

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      • Lana

        Please can we have a look through the comment guidelines before posting. This article is not abusive and we would ask that the comments remain that way too.

        Let’s leave all our luggage at the door

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        • Sparky

          Hi Lana, I agree – the article isn’t abusive, but the Tweeted comment – about those of us here taking part in the ‘discussion’ – is.

          You guys can’t control that stuff, I understand. But perhaps you could take it into account when considering including Catherine Deveney as a contributing writer in the future.
          Sparky xx

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          • Maggie

            Deveny DID NOT put that tweet on the thread. MIZZY did. So if it’s considered abusive under the comments guidelines blame Mizzy. I found the tweet hilarious and true. So glad I’m not a hater or troll and don’t look into ever bunch of flowers and see a spider. Stop finding fault with others. Deveny is an inspiration.

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    • Sparky

      Thanks for posting this. Wow, indeed.

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    • Shannon

      I was giving her the benefit of the doubt after reading the article (having never heard of her before) but yeah…her attitude to positive body image for all women seems pretty clear now…and inconsistent with positive body image for all women…

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    • The Butler Did It

      Thats why I stopped following her, she is offensive and in my opinion a woman hater, hmmm actually she just hates everyone and everything- except her size 16 body.

      You should see what she says about her own children

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      • dfordezi

        Me too…didn’t want to subject myself to her inane rubbish anymore…unfollow you are my friend.

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    • Cordeline

      I found it odd that she had an article published here in the first place. Odd from Mamamia’s point of view and odd from Catherine’s. I think she did purely for this type of reaction and to then be able to belittle Mamamia readers.

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    • erin23

      that’s a nasty comment. surely when you say something as inflammatory as “men will always choose the slightly overweight woman over the slightly underweight one”, you would be prepared for the fact that there would be quite a few underweight women who would disagree. and i’m pretty sure they aren’t dickheads.

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  26. Rebecca

    I get what people are saying about skinny-bashing and that a healthy body image shouldn’t be about putting smaller women down. But guys…come on. That’s like saying affirmative action discriminates against white people, or standing up for gay rights marginalizes straight people.
    Thin women in Australia are in the dominant position when it comes to admiration, respect, buying clothes and being accepted. Whether they’re healthy or not, whether they like their little breasts or not, they are winning, in the way that you are winning, albeit accidentally, if you’re white and straight.
    Do size 16 women need to crow about curves and use ‘skinny’ as an insult? No. Should you prioritize your health over your size? Yes. But still, slim ladies…come on. If skinny bashing was my biggest problem I’d be very, very happy.

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    • Lulu

      Exactly.

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    • Skin and bones

      Yeah, we should just ignore it when people say we aren’t as attractive to men, or that we aren’t ‘real’ women. Only ‘curvy’ women have feelings, right?

      of course there are bigger problems in the world, but subconsciously thinking you aren’t as womanly as another woman is also a fcked up way to feel.

      And personally I don’t think it is the same as reverse discrimination, because actually, thin women are portrayed heavily in the media, but not in every day life. When I moved to Canberra (sorry Canberra), for some reason I seemed to be much slimmer than other women there and I was hated for it. Women were mean.

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    • Adriana

      THANK YOU!!!

      “Thin women in Australia are in the dominant position when it comes to admiration, respect, buying clothes and being accepted.”

      ^ Perfect.

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    • Shannon

      I spent ages 13-19 with incredibly low self-esteem because of skinny bashing. I was a size 4. Naturally. I wasn’t “slim” I was skinny. People accused me of having an eating disorder, which I didn’t. People told me that I looked like a boy. A prepubescent boy. I came home from school crying. Didn’t like to go anywhere uncovered. Took up binge eating. Got very unhealthy, but didn’t gain weight. Suffered depression.

      Could never find clothes to fit nicely, always looked like I was playing dress-ups in adult clothes. Tops gaped at the chest due to my A-cup breasts.

      I was not very, very happy. I also wasn’t the “ideal”. I wasn’t respected. My suffering was just as valid as a larger girls’ suffering. And it was caused by skinny bashing.

      There is a difference between saying, “Bring on gay marriage!” and saying “Bring on gay marriage, there’s something wrong with hetero people anyway!” not to mention the fact that I’m sure very few hetero people are self-conscious about being hetero. Conversely, many skinny women are incredibly self-conscious about how small they are.

      I understand what you’re saying, but I think my negative experience is just as valid as anyone else’s.

      So yes, please say how happy you are with your bodies! But don’t be happy because yours is “better” than mine, or because there’s something wrong with mine, or because you assume mine is unhealthy…just be happy :)

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      • dougsteley

        My wife and a very close friend were both painfully skinny as young women. Both were accused of eating disorders, both could eat massive amounts of food and never gain weight.

        We need to get away from judging people by how they look and base our opinions on how they act.

        I would rather a good kind honest person than a bitchy size 8 supermodel.

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      • anon

        This!!!

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    • hearmumroar

      As a skinny person, I found it hard to make new female friends. I was gossipped about, ppl disect and analyse everything you eat. Ppl check to see if you’re throwing up when you’re in the toilet. Women glare at you and tell you to put weight on, accuse you of being anorexic, etc. But more men look at you. That’s the only positive I can think of.

      As a (now) fat person, I make female friends easily, no one notices nor cares what I eat. No one is watching me on the way to the toilet, nor checking what’s in my groceries trolley.

      That said, I’d prefer to be skinny in a healthy way again.

      The only thing skinny women ‘win’ from my experience being both fat and thin, is the men’s attention.

      And just so you know, skinny women also can and do have other problems besides skinny bashing, just like every other woman

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      • hearmumroar

        Oh, and I forgot to add, there’d be rumours that I was sleeping with men that I definitely wasn’t. When skinny

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      • Lulu

        “nor checking what’s in my groceries trolley.”

        It does happen. There was a MamaMia discussion on trolley judgement a few weeks ago, and a lot of people were very judgy indeed about the trolley contents of fat people they saw in the super market.

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        • Shannon

          I secretly hope trolley-checker-judgers crash into the side of the aisle. :D That’ll teach them for taking their eyes off their own trolleys and give them that taste of shame they try to give to other people.

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          • hearmumroar

            Haha! Totally agree!

            I thought I’d add something here too: when I was unhealthily thin (about 45kg) I KNEW it and admitted it freely. I was under a lot of stress at the time, also I’d caught a few nasty bugs at the new childcare centre I was working at.

            I tried to eat lots to put the weight back on, but ppl just thought I was throwing up

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        • hearmumroar

          I stand corrected, then. lol! It just hasn’t been my experience, that’s all. Another thing I didn’t like when I was skinny, was ppl starting arguments with me about food, or about the fact I’d be enjoying a diet coke with chocolate cake, or telling me off if I exercised. The whole thing was weird to be honest, and it felt as though I was being constantly harrassed.

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      • MissT

        I just want to add that being thin doesn’t always win male attention. When I was truly skinny, men did not look at me. I actually had quite a few tell me “you’d be really attractive if you put on some weight”.

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        • hearmumroar

          I did have an ex boyfriend (still a friend though) see me when I was unhealthily thin. He said, ‘you look too guant, and not at all like what I was attracted to’ (healthily thin) I fully agreed with him as I was unwell. Thankfully though, he said it out of concern for my health, so I wasn’t offended. Yet some guys loved it which I thought was sick in itself

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    • MissT

      Rebecca, I can understand where you are coming from and I understand what you have said, but anyone who has experienced bashing for any size that they are, for anything about themselves they cannot control, is affected. Anyone is hurt. Being called skinny is no less hurtful because sometimes it is truly mean what people can say.

      I’d like you to read this: What’s That, Twiggy?

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      • hearmumroar

        Totally agree.

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      • Shannon

        Miss T, I was so glad to read that. Aside from the height (I’ve always been average-short) the rest of the experience really resonated with me. It was like reading one of my old diaries. Thank you for sharing.

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    • Chooka

      I totally agree that women who fit within the mainstream notion of the “feminine ideal” are privileged. I am 5’10″ and a size 10; I have “thin privilege” which is not earned or deserved and should not be how our society operates.

      However, whenever a woman falls outside what is, let’s face it, a very narrow ideal they can lose that privilege and I think that being very thin (the kind of thing that Shannon and MissT are talking about) and being fat can make you fall outside the norm and lead to a lack of privilege. Weight is also not the only thing that isn’t considered “normal”, women who are have a lot of muscle (like bodybuilders) also get labelled as too masculine and not “real women”.

      To me the problem is the very narrow definition of the ideal and perhaps a lack of recognition of the privilege that being within the femine ideal brings. This is something which Deveny has not expressed at all well in her article.

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  27. Gold

    enough with the skinny bashing / im fat and happy posts!
    Im 48 kilos, 160cms and i LOVE my body. yes im skinny and i love it
    i feel good, im happy and healthy and thats it
    rant over

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    • Lulu

      So should fat people just post about unhappy they are?

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      • Anonymous

        No Lulu, of course they shouldn’t. They can post about happy they are without bashing skinny women to prove their point.

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  28. The Sage Stylista

    Can we also ban the word ‘skinny’? There are far too many negative connotations attached to it, and they generally imply something along the lines of eating disorders, ‘sickeningly’ protruding bones and gaunt faces. Even more ridiculously, it’s usually thrown at the women who are none of these things, they are merely….

    Svelte… Slim… Slender… Trim… Skinny just doesn’t cut it for me.

    Perhaps more positive language will encourage a more positive outlook?

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    • missneriss

      Perhaps claiming ownership of the word would have a bigger impact. “Yes, I’m skinny. Deal with it.”

      Personally, I’m fat. I used to beat around the bush and use words like curvy, voluptuous etc. Then I decided to own fat, then it can’t be used against me. People are still a bit taken aback when I describe myself as being fat, as it’s traversing forbidden territory. But if I use it as a regular old adjective, it’s no longer a weapon. Know what I mean?

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      • The Sage Stylista

        Ah, that is a fair point! I do understand where you are coming from!

        I guess I’ve always struggled with skinny, when girls have quietly hurled it at me (particularly ones that were struggling with their own weight/body image) with a ‘Damn you!’ attitude. For me, skinny always sounds like it should be followed with ‘… and bones’ or ‘bashing’. I just feel with my healthy attitude and body, however, that I’m not beating around the bush by using ‘slim’ as a replacement word, when that is really what I am. A healthy-sounding word like ‘slim’ makes me much happier and reminds me not to get caught up with their negative vibes of ‘skinny’.

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  29. Ballerina

    I agree with almost everything in this post…..with one exception, I always tell my daughter she is beautiful…..and smart and caring and loving. I don’t understand why Catherine makes a point of never calling your daughter beautiful. Because she is – to me!!! Oh and i always tell me son he is handsome too!!

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  30. Sally

    I recently lost 20kg. It was driven by health – I have PCOS and it was beginning to get out of control and eventually I realised my weight and lifestyle are the only things I had control over. My joints and muscles were beginning to strain, and my whole body was beginning to resemble a 50 year old obese man with heart problems. All at the age of 23.

    I have always looked at this adventure as being about my health. Changes and/or improvements in my (perceived) appearance were a bonus.

    But eventually I’ve had to deal with the confidence issues that I struggled with. The difference between right now and a year ago, I was so unhappy.
    My life wasn’t any less than what it is right now. I still had amazing friends, family, career. Men still found me attractive. But somehow, I had pinned all this unhappiness on my size.

    If I could ever talk to me from a year ago. I would tell her that she is gorgeous. That she is a rocking plus size lady, she just needs to own it. I would tell her that her body doesn’t make her unhappy – it’s letting people walk all over her and then trying to eat her feelings to try and avoid the anxiety associated with not feeling good enough.

    I would tell her to treat herself with respect in every area of her life – and that includes listening to her body cues, eating right and exercising regularly. I would also tell her that her body does not define who she is.

    I love this article for many reasons, especially because I have been through these struggles myself and I’m slowly coming to accept and love myself, flaws and all. But I feel like Catherine didn’t quite hit the mark she wanted to – her comments still stress one size over another even if she didn’t mean it, which undermines her whole argument.

    But I am glad that she is happy and comfortable in her own skin – it is sad that there aren’t more women who can say the same.

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  31. Eloise

    This saddens and frustrates me. I am a size 8, about 57kg and HAPPY and HEALTHY. I’m not grumpy and hungry, I feed my body good food (relax about this on the weekend) and exercise 5 times a week usually. I don’t need mud cake or mars to make me happy. I feel best when I am looking after my body and being the best version of myself. After having chronic pain and 2 surgeries on my ankle in the last year I love the satisfaction of being able to achieve this. And I resent people like you saying sweeping generalizations about how men prefer “curvy” I.e fatter women, and how skinny women must lead a sad and deprived life. I know my fiancé loves me for who I am and loves the way I look – fit, toned and healthy. AND I AM PROUD OF IT! So great if you are happy at that size, but no need to drag everyone else down.

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    • Tracey

      I so agree with you Eloise! I was approaching 80kg recently and I hated myself, even though I regularly rode my bike a lot further than 20km. I lost around 16kg following a sensible eating and consistent exercise program (which is now a totally sustainable lifestyle), got back into a healthy BMI range, (166cm, 62kg) and I have never felt happier about myself – At 49 years old I finally love my body (and I feel sexy!)for the first time in my life. No, I’m not skinny – I simply look slimmish, and, yes, fit, toned and healthy. And my joints and back are thanking me and would certainly not appreciate me strapping on 16kg of weights and trying to walk around all day with it. How the hell did I do it?

      While there is certainly an issue with girls and women aspiring to be under-weight, with the associated risk of eating disorders, I see no merit in trying to swing the pendulum the other way just to justify being overweight and wanting an excuse to indulge in cake and biscuits every night. (And when I say ‘overweight’, I mean _above_ a healthy BMI range.)

      There is the middle ground – and if you do it properly you certainly don’t go hungry.

      Not everyone has Catherine Deveney’s ultra ‘healthy’ dose of self esteem and self ‘belief’ to carry off being overweight. But anyway… I had actually stopped reading anything written by her a long time ago after she slagged off women who changed their names when they got married. Just because she doesn’t believe in it.

      And frankly… do we really want or need to know how often she gets shagged? Is she saying that self-image has to do with how often you have sex?

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  32. monique

    Seriously….STOP WITH THE SKINNY BASHING!!! I’m so sick of it!

    Catherine, I’m glad that you are happy with your body image, good for you, but don’t be at the expense of skinnier counterparts.

    I really dislike the way you belittled the women at the ARIAs “Skinny, manicured, fake tan, fake teeth, fake tits. Same, same, same, same, same with the exception of Clare Bowditch. She was stunning, glowing and gorgeous.” For the most part, I thought everyone looked amazing!

    I’m not what you’d call skinny. I’m 173cm, 73kg and wear a size 12-14. I’m not skinny but I’m not fat. But I really resent the fact that your post about encouraging a healthy body image is skinny bashing. I’ve been sick of it for a very long time and posted about it on my blog just last week: http://moniquefischle.wordpress.com/2011/11/25/stop-with-the-skinny-bashing/

    I don’t care what size you are – if you’re happy with your appearance, that’s fantastic – but please don’t tear down those who look different to you in the process!

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  33. michelletemminghoff

    Up the ante Catherine! Yeah!

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  34. Anonymous

    Fat…schmat…sooooooooo bored of the weight debate.

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  35. Genevieve Joy

    I never thought I’d say this, but I LOVE what Deveny is saying here.

    I didn’t read this to be slamming skinny women at all. She has rightly pointed out that ‘healthy’ and ‘happy’ are the key words here.

    Get fit, eat well, smile, enjoy life. You can be skinny and unhealthy or skinny and fit -depending on nutrition and body shape. I think Catherine’s point was that when SHE was skinny, she was unhealthy. We’re MEANT to be different. I’m naturally slim, healthy, and very energetic – but I have no doubt that I won’t always be as skinny as I am right now at 21. I’m ok with that. I think.

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    • Kris2040

      I think people look for stuff to be pissed off about. I read it exactly the same way as you, Genevieve Joy. Total over-reaction. She does say (like I have many times here) that if you feel too skinny and would like to be bigger, change it, and likewise do the opposite if you feel too far on the big side.

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  36. honey bee

    I hope this doesn’t come across the wrong way, but I think we need to make sure “curvy” doesn’t become a euphemism for “fat rolls”. I am (unhappy) size 16 and working to lose 20 kgs. I would love to say I’m curvy… but I’m just fat, actually. I think the message Catherine is trying to get across is one of acceptance, owning your “look” and not bowing to peer pressure- but it comes across a bit smug and a bit “skinny-bashing” to be frank. I actually don’t think the “healthy is the new skinny” thing is that helpful; what is deemed “healthy” changes across time and culture. For example, in India, women show off their fat rolls as they are perceived to be a sign of health and wealth. Here, popular culture views the extremely lean, toned body as “healthy”. “Healthy” is different for each woman and I think Catherine has tried and failed to express that here.

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    • The Sage Stylista

      I, also, mentioned the confusion between ‘fat’ and ‘curvy’ a bit further down, so it’s really nice to see the empathy in your comment.

      Slightly off topic, but I don’t necessarily think that fat rolls are appreciated in India as a sign of health and wealth? Possibly in the poorer classes where food is scarce? I am Indian, and visit frequently, and the only women sporting the midriff fat rolls around their saris are the older Aunti-jis, that no one actually expects to have sex appeal?

      One look at the revered Bollywood stars, especially Shilpa Shetty, Bipasha Basu, Deepika Padukone etc, will tell you that the image of ‘sexy’ for women seems to equates to fit, healthy, slim and shapely.

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      • honey bee

        Hi there The Sage Stylista :)
        Thanks for such a nice reply to my comment (too often people really tear each other down around here). I’m not an expert on Indian culture at all; it was the first example that came to mind about variances in what we deem attractive and healthy, and how the yardstick is different depending on where, and indeed when, you live! I was always under the impression that in India the saris were designed with the midriff gap so as to display a fleshy midriff, denoting wealth and good health. Anyway, I read your comment down below and totally agree- there is a big difference between curves (shape) and fat (size). I don’t think it is a positive thing if we start saying we are “curvy” when in fact we are overweight (and I speak for myself, who is overweight, I don’t live under an impression that I look like Marilyn Monroe, believe me :) )
        xx

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        • The Sage Stylista

          Aw, no problem, honey bee! Haha, didn’t that sound cute? If we can’t speak with tolerance and respect, then we won’t hear over our own arrogance!

          Fair enough, I do understand the point you were trying to make with that example, so no worries there.

          Having thought about it a little more, in many of the Bollywood songs, the men sing of girls with ‘slender waists’, so I get the feeling that is quite a desirable feature over there, especially with so many of the varying traditional garments (not just the saris) baring the midriff section.

          Thank you for reading my earlier comment, and for understanding where I’m coming from. It is also nice to read that you don’t have a distorted sense of self re: ‘fat’ vs. ‘curvy’… Before we even consider the media’s attempt to dictate us, we need this exact, intrinsic self-awarenes :)

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    • Anonymous

      “but I think we need to make sure “curvy” doesn’t become a euphemism for “fat rolls”

      Too late, I think that has already happened.

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      • honey bee

        True, the “glossip” mags seem to have made sure of that.

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    • picardie.girl

      Agreed. It’s not very nice when you really ARE curvy for it to be used as a euphemism for fat. Curvy loses its proper meaning when used this way!

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    • aleced

      but I think we need to make sure “curvy” doesn’t become a euphemism for “fat rolls”

      Agree so much with this comment honey bee! Not in reference to Catherine in particular but people often refer to themselves or others as curvy when in actual fact, they are just overweight and by phrasing it like this, it implies it is okay/ healthy to be overweight.

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      • Kris2040

        There’s a shop near me called Curvaceous Babes. It’s a fat ladies shop. I am curvy – hourglass so big boobs, little waist, big hips. Not one thing in their window would fit me. Because, like City Chic, it’s made for fat girls, not curvy girls. The clothes are designed TOTALLY differently, and they hang like sacks on me.

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        • Nico

          This may be a bit forward, but do you live near Corrimal? There is a ‘Curvaceous Babes’ there :)

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          • Kris2040

            Yep!

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            • aleced

              OMG I grew up in Thirroul – small world!

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            • Kris2040

              aleced – I’m a migrant. I grew up in the Inner West in Sydney and have moved down here this year. I also did a stint at International House at the Uni in 1993.

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            • Nico

              Kris, my gf used to live down there with her mum, I’d pass that shop often!
              Small world, I grew up/still live in the Inner West. It’s got a Shire-like hold on me, I don’t think I’ll be moving out of it soon!

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            • Kris2040

              Christ, that’s the first time I’ve heard the Inner West compared to the Shire – watch yourself saying things like that! LOL

              It’s a funny line of shops. The “boutiques” are, er, interesting. Good swimmers and sports shop, though!

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            • ParisChic

              International house at which uni? I went to one too!

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            • Kris2040

              Wollongong

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    • Maggie

      Why? One person’s curves are another person’s fat and another person’s fat is yet another persons’s curves. Fat? Curves? According to committee? Regulations? What’s it to you what anyone wants to think of or describe their body as? It’s subjective. It’s about encouraging all shapes and sizes to be as healthy as they can. Not shaming people. The hate and judgement on this thread on a post about diversity and acceptance is horrifying. Women are women’s BIGGEST enemies.

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  37. Nicole Madigan-Everest

    I’m a small-breasted, petite size 6. I’m not ‘skinny’ but I am slim with a naturally small frame. For as long as I can remember I’ve been self conscious about having small boobs. So while I’m all for body acceptance, I I’m a little sick of being constantly told that
    men prefer ‘curves’ and ‘real women’ have boobs. Because it doesn’t matter how much I eat, mine are never going to be huge. Real women are ALL women! Let’s embrace everyone x

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    • hearmumroar

      ..and then we have articles wondering WHY so many want boob jobs? Why can’t they just love themselves? Hang on, why can’t ppl stop insinuating small women aren’t ‘real’ or are deprived, unhappy and starving themselves and that men won’t like them as they have no curves? I feel for you: you truly are damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Just gotta make yourself happy I guess

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  38. SimoneW

    Catherine you are gorgeous, and I love reading what you have to say wherever you write it. I think you should make this your twitter profile pic. Your current one, while also gorgeous, makes you look a bit skinny…

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  39. KateA

    I liked this post. I like the sentiment behind it – that body shape is not the defining part of a woman. I like the way that the author has ignored the insidious and constant media messages and manages to be grateful for what she has. Skinny, fat or in between – women are never happy, and put far too much of their self-worth in their bodies.
    Yes, yes – being overweight has associations with health problems; but so do many other things. We don’t judge and ridicule people for being too thin, or drinking a bit too much, or getting too much sun, or not getting enough sun, or not going to work, or not getting married (men) or not having kids (breast cancer) etc etc. These things do not interfere with our humanity. The measure of overweight is an average, and it’s normal to put on weight during pregnancy, for a while after, when you go through menopause, when you take certain medications.
    I do think it’s sad that a cancer patient on high dose steroids has to worry about her medications causing weight gain and Cushing’s syndrome. And they do – no-one wants to feel unattractive in the eyes of society. I also think it’s horrible that new mums don’t feel gorgeous because they still carry some baby weight and have lost their tiny waist.
    I’m not arguing against healthy diet and exercise – but a fat person is not worth less. No-one should be defined by their body shape.

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  40. erin23

    I don’t understand why you have to bring down other people to justify why you are happy with yourself. It’s great that you’re a size 16 and happy, but why slam thinner women as ‘hungry’ or women with a fake tan and breast implants as clones?

    Diet is 80% of the equation when it comes to living a healthy lifestyle, exercise only accounts for 20%. It’s good to be happy with yourself but I don’t think that’s an excuse for poor lifestyle choices. It’s not about looking like a supermodel, it’s about the very real obesity epidemic that is plaguing our country and will eventually lead to us outliving our children. All body types should be celebrated because everyone is different, but it does well to point out that obese figures are just as unhealthy as anorexic ones.

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  41. Lauren

    I know how many shags a woman gets in the morning, despite her weight, isnt what the article is supposed to be about. But then why include it?

    I know many people would equate number of lovers (actual or potential) with an inner-confidence with oneself but I think this is one area where body size doesnt need to be brought up, in my opinion.

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  42. Anonymous

    As much as I applaud people being comfortable in the way they look, I found this post to be fairly skinny bashing – it makes it seem as though anybody who is “skinny” or “small” TRIES to be that way, and therefore theres something wrong with them, It’s not exactly fair to assume every woman who is a size 8 has got their through an attempt to change their body shape.

    Although being comfortable in your size is one thing, health should always come first. Being a healthy weight – i’m not saying being skinny, i’m saying being a healthy weight for your height and lifestyle is more important.

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    • The Butler Did It

      Thats Deveny for you. If you don’t agree with her or aren’t her “clone” then you are wrong wrong wrong!!!!

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  43. Lucy

    My philosophy is, if you feel healthy, you’ll look sexy. I run, swim, sweat three to four times a week and eat pretty much whatever I want. Am I always happy with my body? No. But before I open my mouth to complain about it, I go for a run, knowing that when I get back, I won’t think that way anymore.

    If women put half the energy they spent on talking about weight loss into actually doing something about it, we wouldn’t have to dissect the topic so much.

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    • The Sage Stylista

      I do the same thing- whenever I am unreasonably down on my body, I go and do some exercise. Getting those endorphins on the merry-go-round is infinitely better, physically and mentally!

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  45. courtneynicholas

    I have a severe Thyroid condition which affects many aspects of my life the most obvious being my weight. I find it extremely hard to lose weight as my metabolism is compromised and this is something that will never change. I have no problem with my weight. Im a size 12-14 and I think I look good. I remember a while back Meshel Laurie said “im fine with me I just wish everyone else was” well I feel the same way and if so far its Catherine Deveny and Meshel Laurie who are ok with me and how I look then I think im in excellent company.

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  46. D

    Catherine, I will let you in on a secret, I am a size 8, naturally skinny and I am never hungry, rarely grumpy and never short of lovers. I love fake tan, nice nails, and have two veneers on my teeth (but no fake tits, as you charmingly put it) so why are you making it sound like there is something wrong with me? Some people like to look tanned others prefer white skin, neither is right or wrong. We don’t all want to look like you and why should we?

    I don’t like this article for so many reasons but most importantly because the author uses the tired old formula of taking a shot at skinny women to justify the way she looks. Why does this happen so often, a “curvy” woman tells us that she is hot by bringing down women who don’t look like her. Isn’t that the very thing you are supposed to be fighting against? I don’t care how clever and witty your carefully constructed answers sound, I don’t for a second believe that any woman who is truly confident has the need to bash others to make herself feel better.

    Also, I have to say that the incident in the store where women approached you because they admired your curves seems like an urban legend. Not saying that women who look like you aren’t admired by strangers but who comes up to a woman they’ve never met in a shop and says “wow your curves are amazing.”

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    • Kerryn

      I did, last year. I was standing behind a woman in Coles in Canberra, and she just looked gorgeous, had such a great shape, but when I saw her face, she looked quite down and tired. So I just said “hey, just to let you know, you look fantastic, you have such a great shape. I was just admiring you”. Then I felt like a massively creepy stalker. But she was apparently quite pleased…

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  47. katie

    I’m sorry, but I don’t think it’s ok to skinny bash any more than it’s ok to fat bash. If Catherine is fit, healthy and happy, that’s great. But there are a lot of unhealthy messages in this article that I don’t think are helpful.

    I’m a size 8 now. I’m athletic, slender and strong. Oh and really, really happy about that. Just because I’m a size 8 doesn’t mean I’m hungry and grumpy. Exercising less won’t make me happier; in fact exercise makes me happier.

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  48. leigh

    im a size 16 and im sorry but it looks bloody terrible, but i put it down to the fact i carry it in all the wrong places. My hips are wide, my upper thighs are large and yet im still a small bust, i think larger women look fantastic when their bust is large as it evens them out and creates a lovely shape, unfortunately for me that hasnt happened and i so so wish i could get back to my before mummy belly weight of size 10 to 12 as i am muscular and that size suits me, i dont look scrawny i look athletic when im that small and a small bust is less obvious…ive been single now for 5yrs and no man has bothered approaching me since i gained my weight, but now ive made friends with a bunch of fuller women and mums and i can say my confidence is coming back slightly and who knows maybe i will meet someone yet :)

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    • Anonymous

      and the lady in the picture looks well shaped, id love to carry weight if i could look like her, well done to Catherine Deveny you look lovely

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  49. The wounded bull

    This site never fails to astound me. So many women clapping and cheering Catherine, yet your home page shows that your most clicked story is ’5 easy fixes for common beauty fails’.

    Firstly, I find this whole site a tad hypocritical on this issue. Secondly, if your readers really have read the beauty fixes story more than any other, can women in general ever let go of this wholy beauty monster.

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  50. I just wish we weren’t even talking about this topic.

    I would support a December body talk BAN on here!! Especially around Christmas, people want to indulge, and eat drink and be merry and even if this article is about how people should love their body regardless, the mere publication of this article makes people think about their body and publish comments about their size/weight/health.

    Let’s just stop for awhile (I’m not saying all together, just for December), and talk about charities, politics, how boring cricket is, Christmas, holidays or the weather!!

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    • aleced

      Amen!

      I know Mia is a campaigner of a healthy body image (as we all are obviously) but I just want a break from all of the weight and body articles. As a modern, educated woman I just don’t have the time or the inclination to think about my body or weight constantly, so I think this constant talking about ‘it’s okay to be big’ and ‘healthy is the new skinny’ etc is just boring, old and unnecessary

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    • picardie.girl

      I love this idea, whippersnapper! Hell yes!

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    • InKL

      Agreed. If it’s not reported on then we can all go about our merry way talking about other things without having to stop and think about what our bums look like today.

      How about we double up on the First Wednesday club and do two for December? You know for all those people who are lucky if they have a pair of jeans to wear, let alone a bloody mirror to see if their bum looks big in them.

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    • MissT

      DONE!! I’m with you

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