I’m Australia’s first female Prime Minister.
And I didn’t get here alone.
Today I think of all the women who made my journey possible, all the women who made our journey possible:
A lifetime of support from colleagues and family, mentors and friends like Joan Kirner. A century of activism by women of matchless courage and resolve. Some have an honoured place in history like Edith Cowan and Catherine Helen Spence, but there are also the unknown, unnamed women who through countless acts of defiance affirmed the right of every woman to a life of opportunity, freedom and choice.
They did these things inspired by faith in women they would never know and a future they would never see. We are those women. We are that future. Today we speak for the women of a thousand generations.
We owe them a debt of gratitude, and we owe to them a responsibility: a responsibility to build on their foundations; to do more, to be more, and to make life better for the women who will come after us; to say and do in our own time the things that were once held to be unthinkable and unachievable.
Friends, April 25th has a sacred place in the Australian imagination. But 19 years before Gallipoli, it was already a significant day in our nation’s story. It was the day Australian women first cast their vote. The place was South Australia, a laboratory of progressive social change in the late Victorian era.
The Adelaide Advertiser expressed its faith that women would not “leave their electoral privileges unexercised for fear of losing the bloom of their delicate and retiring femininity.” While the Adelaide Observer pointed out the “air of responsibility” on the faces of the newly enfranchised voters. That was how our journey in Australian political life began.
Those women are long gone now, and it easy to think of them as quaint figures in their bonnets and elaborate petticoats. But remember this was the age of Mary MacKillop and Louisa Lawson – strong women in a harsh land. And whether they knew it or not, they were doing more than just casting a ballot.
They were taking the remarkable and rendering it unremarkable, opening the way to a transformative century that would forever change the way human beings live, govern and think. The 20th Century was a century of big political movements and ideologies such as fascism, socialism and modernism. And yet the movement that outlasted them all, and surpassed them all in what it has achieved for humanity, is feminism – the struggle for women’s emancipation and equality.
Pioneer Australian feminist Rose Scott observed that the vote itself was only a “piece of machinery” in “battling for the liberty, for the freedom of women”. It was the key that unlocked the door to everything else: The right to learn, to work and demand a fair day’s pay; to choose our partners and our family structures, and manage our own health; to strive to live free of coercion and violence; and to shape the destiny of the nations in which we live.
Friends, it was not enough for women to have the right to vote. Our system of government must reflect the community it serves A political system without adequate representation of women is profoundly incomplete, and it is surprising that Australia, with our robust history of pragmatic social reform, and our early heritage of women’s rights, didn’t get there earlier.
Many countries – including places more traditional than our own – had a woman serve as prime minister long before we did, like India in 1966, Israel in 1969 and Britain in 1979.
But we’ve done it now, and I’m not so much proud that it was me as I am proud that it finally happened. Proud that decades of waiting came to an end. Proud that having a second, third and fourth female Prime Minister will not have to be anything unusual.
Taking the remarkable and rendering it unremarkable. Friends, I didn’t set out to be the first female Prime Minister.
If it came from anywhere, it started with two hard-working Welsh migrants who’d been denied opportunity in their own lives and who didn’t want the same for their own children.
That those children were both girls only reinforced their determination.
My sister and I were taught by our parents from childhood to think big and imagine we could do anything.
I acted on that belief all my life, whether as a school student resenting the fact that the girls were forced to study home economics while the boys did woodwork and metal work. As a lawyer standing up for low-paid migrant women in the clothing industry. Or as a candidate who took three attempts, against a wall of ingrained factional hostility, to enter federal politics.
I was supported by people close to me who told me to believe in myself, but I was lucky that I was never taught my gender would hold me back. Perhaps it also had something to do with coming from a family where there were no boys, a family where mum worked, and where neither parent ever suggested that our lives or aspirations should be limited by our gender.
Whatever the reasons, I never conceptualise my Prime Ministership around being the first woman to do this job. I conceptualise my job as being about delivering the things that make a difference for the nation. But if visibly having a woman to do this job means even one woman or one girl sees a more expansive future, then it is worth it.
I’ve become so used to high-achieving blokes approaching me somewhat sheepishly, and I know straight away what they’re going to ask: they want an autograph for their daughters.
Because dads like that know the future has to be different for their daughters’ generation than it was for their mothers’ generation. No longer can girls and young women be told, as our predecessors were, that politics and the other professions are “no fit place for a woman”.
The first female MP in NSW, Millicent Preston-Stanley, had the perfect riposte when she said: “Parliament clearly is a fit place for a woman provided she is fit for Parliament.”
Then and now, women must come to politics with few illusions and sleeves rolled up. I believe with all my heart that women, as well as men, can thrive in the adversarial atmosphere of politics.
As women, we must never allow ourselves be held to a separate, lower standard because that is just a cruel delusion. When I look at a Parliament that contains people as diverse as Jenny Macklin, Julie Bishop and Christine Milne, these are not women who received special treatment – nor would they accept it.
They are tough women, resilient women. They are necessarily tough because politics is tough, and politics is tough because politics is important. It shouldn’t be easy, and it’s not.
Not for the women – not for the blokes.
The late Virginia Chadwick told a great story about how she mentioned her political aspirations to a senior male MP and was promptly told that she was “the wrong age, the wrong sex and from the wrong place.” Chadwick proved him wrong in the only possible way – by entering politics and becoming a successful and distinguished NSW Cabinet Minister.
It is our best and only response. Friends, the women’s movement did not free us from every problem. It simply gave us the means – and the opportunity – to solve them. The key to a room of one’s own.
Now that so much of the work has been done, let’s not allow a myth to develop that women’s rights were somehow inevitable. Or that they are somehow embarrassing or out of date. We should never allow the gains of the gender revolution to be reversed, whether in health, education, employment, law reform, or politics.
They are too precious.
Too many women gave up too much to achieve them. Our female pioneers weren’t detached intellectuals. They were practical women with practical goals – goals deeply grounded in principle and informed by centuries of lived experience.
Those have been our goals, too, in the Labor Party and Emily’s List. We sought to bring issues like child care and domestic violence to public attention, not just as women’s issues but as issues affecting the whole community.
And we sought to create an embracing range of policies that would bring opportunity to the lives of women every day. Modern choices for modern women.
Not just those women who are seen as high fliers, but women who work hard every day in the so-called “pink collar” industries such as child care, retail, executive support and the community services:
The women with young children juggling work and family responsibilities; the women are the sandwich generation – looking after growing children and older parents and relatives; the migrant women struggling to find their way in a new land and new culture; the senior women who have spent their lives looking after others but find themselves lacking the resources for a dignified old age.
These women trust Labor to deliver the polices that will bring security and opportunity to their lives. That’s why I’m proud to be part of the government that introduced Paid Parental Leave, increased the Child Care Rebate and put Work Choices in the dustbin of history.
I’m proud to lead a government that has introduced the National Carer Recognition Strategy and has committed to a National Disability Insurance Scheme.
I’m proud to lead the Government that is lifting universal superannuation to 12 per cent, and I’m proud to lead a government that is recognising the value of community sector work through the Equal Pay Case.
These are great reforms. They will touch every Australian woman in some way, and they are enduring proof that good government really can change lives. But our empathy mustn’t stop at Australia’s own borders. Women’s rights, being human rights, are universal and indivisible.
The suffering of millions of women diminishes us all and obligates us. As one of the world’s top 20 economies, we have a responsibility to contribute to women’s equality globally. That’s why we’re making new investments in gender equality through the aid program directed towards reducing violence against women. Indeed, Australia’s National Plan to Reduce Violence Against Women is being used by the UN as a template for countries around the world.
We’ve got a chance to show real global leadership. Just as in the past we’ve shown global leadership on issues like landmines, nuclear disarmament and free agricultural trade, so too we can be a leader on women’s rights
That’s why I was very proud to announce the appointment of an Ambassador for Global Women’s Issues this morning. Australia has a great story to tell, and we should tell it to the women of the world who need our help.
Friends, when we look at these achievements at home and abroad we see a nation that’s come a long way. We’ve done great things, especially since the time of the Whitlam government. Today, 30 per cent of our nation’s parliamentarians are women; four of our nine First Ministers; our Governor-General and two State Governors.
We’ve got more than 30 per cent of board positions across Federal Government agencies held by women, on track to our target of 40 per cent by 2015, and we’re changing the regulations so that women can participate in all aspects of military life.
In the words ofGeneral Peter Cosgrove, men and women will now have an equal right to fight and die for their country.
But the journey of securing women’s rights is far from done.
We best honour our achievements by never taking them forgranted, and by ensuring they are passed on – intact and augmented – to our daughters and our nieces.
This is no time for the momentum to stop.
Friends, there are still too many barriers to women’s participation in “last bastion” fields like engineering, mining or the military.
Very few of those roles have essential physical requirements that necessarily exclude women, and many of them are jobs in expanding sectors where the opportunities are abundant and the wages are high.
There is no reason why women can’t have their full share of the mining boom.
But perhaps understandably, most attention goes to the corporate sector because it is the most connected and educated leadership elite in the nation.
Yes, we have seen some welcome progress in recent times.
But 115 years since women first cast a vote in this nation, there are still some public companies with not a single woman on their boards, and many more with only one female board member.
Just 13 per cent of corporate board members are female.
Only 3 per cent of ASX 200 companies have female CEOs.
Less than 9 per cent of key executive management positions in ASX 200 companies are women.
This is simply unacceptable and I say to those companies: this is 2011, not 1911 – just get on with it.
There is overwhelming evidence that gender equality is a strong driver of corporate profit and success, but the impact of women’s participation is much wider than individual firms. It affects the health of our whole economy.
Australia’s participation rate of almost 60 per cent for women is extremely low by international standards.
The World Economic Forum places us 44th in the world for labour-force participation.
That’s too many women missing out on the dignity and benefits of work, especially those like single mums and older women who want to work but don’t always have the chance.
As the economy grows, our country will need even more skilled workers if we are going to take advantage of the minerals boom and manage the challenges of our ageing population.
In fact, research by Goldman Sachs released demonstrates just what a difference women’s participation can make
The study showed that lifting female workforce participation has boosted economic activity in Australia by 22 per cent since 1974, and if we move to European levels of participation, it would boost economic growth by a further 13 per cent – or $180 billion a year.
That’s bigger than the size of the whole mining industry combined, which comprises 10 per cent of Australia’s GDP
The source of that productivity is right here amongst us, in the suburbs and towns of our nation just waiting to be included, waiting for the skills and the incentives to connect them with the workforce and make them part of Australia’s opportunity story.
And that’s exactly what I’m determined to do, because women’s political emancipation is not complete unless we also enjoy economic emancipation.
Friends, nowhere is the message of women’s participation more important than in our political system, because it is our political system which embodies the way the nation sees itself, and women have the right to see themselves in the public face of our nation.
It’s all well and good to have a woman in the top job, but that is no substitute for widespread and lasting change across our system of government.
We have 15 houses of parliament in this nation, along with 565 local councils.
The time is coming, if it hasn’t already arrived, when anything less than 50 per cent representation will be unacceptable.
That’s where Emily’s List retains every part of its original urgency and relevance.
I worked on the constitution of this organisation. I was there at the start, and I can say our job is not done yet.
I know it’s been a long haul.
I think of stalwarts like Joan Child, Labor’s first female MP in the House of Representatives, who turned 90 this year.
Joan has walked a long road and set a wonderful example, and I’d like to tell her that the journey is complete – but it isn’t.
This is no time to fold up the banners or put away the cheque book.
There’s plenty more to do – and we do it in the same spirit as the women who went
before us: with optimism and with pride.
On the historic day that women won the vote in NSW, Louisa Lawson recorded in her scrapbook:
“I have always loved my countrywomen, always admired them, and believed in them.”
Louisa Lawson believed that Australian women were the most capable women in the world, that they belonged to a nation capable of truly great things.
This is my belief too.
A belief that abides.
A belief that grows stronger every day.
A belief I will hold as long as I live.
This is the speech delivered by the Prime Minister for the inaugural Emily’s List Oration in Canberra. Emily’s List is a financial, personal and political organisation that supports progressive Labor women candidates.








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I need a “I hate women” t-shirt!
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Excuse me, women activist. The name is self explanatory! As a politician you represent Australia as a whole! If your agenda is to encourage and empower solely women to get into politics or other areas that men should have equal access to, then you are a sexist and mysandric women! Much like all the women who are oblivious to their cause for “equal opportunity”.
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My god some people like to rant. I find it funny that the rantier one gets the more narrow their facts become. I would like to comment on Julia’s speech. I thought her words were very eloquent, and before i commented i looked up Julia’s bio. She has been consistent with her policies thus far and hasn;t tried to curry favour for votes obviously, if she was just interested in staying in power why would she choose policies that put her at risk. If you read about her life before politics which began while she was still at school, you understand better that shes pushing what she has always pushed a fair go for workers and shes proud to be a role model for other women
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Mama Mia please go and educate yourselves about the Child protection corrupt system in Aust.. and this is worldwide.. real issues about children stolen by DoCs.. The new stolen generation is here now.. Lukes Army comment regarding Lukes father was uncalled for and cruel to say the least…. Lukes Army has helped thousands of parents all over the world.. go view some educational sites and see just how the system so called child protection works… go visit and view from an expert witness with 40 years of Child Protection knowlegde and experience.. Charles Pragnell.. tells it as it is.PM Julia does know about all so does MP Pru.. DoCs lie and fabricate in courts all over A.. DoCs abuse children and good parents.. do not be blind ..Mama Mia visit Families and Social Services Information Team fASSIT and click on members and go read all what Charles Pragnall has to say.. and see for yourselves to state of so caled child protection. Perversal .. Perverse Reversal of Child Custody… and it was written in 2006… 2011 and it is so much worse….go visit Altnewsforum an eye opener to so much corruption from DoCs, also Alecomm, facts that will show you the truth about child so called protection, another unhero Marney Macdonald she also has a fb pg worth looking at, and Lukes army’s dad is also an unhero….
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I got castigated for comments I made about Julia, and her current role. Currently, it is harder for women to break through the glass. My opinion was that the current and recent crop of leading female politicians have arrived there by default, not by credibility. Julia mentions Joan Kirner. This woman sent Victoria broke with her extreme socialist attitudes. Cheryl Kernot was so hyped on greed she trashed a political party because she sought and was offered a high office. Carmen Lawrence made sure she remained clean by slandering people resulting in a suicide. Anna Bligh has made an art form of back-tracking on promises. So when I give an opinion as to the abilities of women in high office, I am held to task. When I make the same comments about MEN in high office, people shrug, say that’s his opinion, yeah I agree or no, he’s got it wrong. Why is an opinion about women judged differently to that on men?
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Malcolm Frazer recently commented that in his day you worked your way up into politics with community envolvement and contributions, years of effort. Now we have seventeen year old politicians who have provided no social improvements, It all comes down to image, and who you know.
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That’s the double standards and hypocrisy of feminism for you. Emily’s List is full of disgusting sexist women. Women politicians demand respect but don’t wish to earn it. Indeed every single woman leader in Australia has been a complete failure, they have been given positions they haven’t earned. They even want the sexism of affirmative action in politics, therefore circumventing democracy.
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What prime minister ever crapped on about being a man. This is the wrong reason to be in power. Men’s rights have been walked over by the likes of Emily’s list, it is a sinister power with no other motives than to promote feminist power, which would be looked down upon by all if it were promoting political power for men. Julia Gillard has shown she is a backstabbing woman, and not right for the job. Should we all feel sorry for her now because I have said derogatory remarks about her? Of course, she is a woman, and that is what they feed off, pity.
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http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/everything-seemed-normal/story-e6freoof-1226132660689
If this was a man who did this atrocity they would villify him, it’s a woman so we should all feel sorry for her, and the newspapers cater for it. Disgusting.
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Is it true that the reason your son was taken from you was because both you and your partner were drug addicted?
DoCs workers placing your son in a home with an elderly carer is highly neglectful and just inhumane. It it just beyond human understanding what occurred to him in that house. Absolutely disgusting and makes me sick to my stomach that such gross negligence occurred.
However, it also sounds as if Luke was also being neglected in his original family home too.
What a life to be born in to.
May his beautiful soul rest in peace.
I only hope that you seek the help and healing you need to recover from this highly traumatic experience you have been through.
Focus on that rather than trying to dismantle the progress women have made.
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Dear Senators and MHR’s
If David Cameron the British Prime Minister can see enough to specifically mention fatherless families and family legislation being factors in the UK riots why cannot our Australian politicians also see the effect of EMILY’s List “Lebensborn” {unknown fathers} in Australia is the same here? Our Australian situation too is highly ‘gender’ pressurized and only pending a catalyst to start a massive society breakdown Out of thirty or more years of Government enforced feminism upon good Australian families has accumulative adverse consequences. Most particularly the stereotyping and vilification and ostracisation of fatherhood upon families in separation made 73% on the call of the mother under the enticements of feminism. Because allegedly it ‘empowers’ her to do so. But is only another feminist self serving Trojan Horse destroying families to appease feminism.
EMILY’s LIST is a treacherous snakehead insurgent electing feminists politicians (see attachments) with sole gender family values of ‘women and children’ underpins Lebensborn. EMILY’s List do not declare a ‘conflict of interest’ on Government family business and do not ‘step down’ so ‘vote’ to the detriment of fatherhood. The ‘feminists’ influenced mothers use children while they are young and manipulative to her call to reject or be the basis of falsely reporting them and their fathers as chattel of ‘empowerment’. EMILY’s LIST is the snakehead driving Lebensborn values via the feminist movement out of parliament and government ‘family’ service deliveries Destroy heterosexual families into ‘women and children’ and relegating fathers into second class citizenship. Causing fathers to become the banished tribesman syndrome that consequently often suicide like banished tribesmen do.
EMILY’s LIST snakehead is a conflict of interest using legitimate ‘government business’ as a Trojan Horse to ply its ideology driving feminist preference of female citizens over male citizens. Also with its professional women members links the ‘sisterhood’ into government service deliveries and government funded non government organisations ‘gate keeping’ and finally linking with community level ‘ordinary’ feminism and sympathizers of both genders and donor organisations. [See the EMILY’s LIST site for donor organisations and companies].
The most concentrated areas of their disastrous ‘gender war against men’ congregates in Trojan Horses around family law and family violence and child support and child abuse where fathers are arbitrarily treated as offenders and offending mothers fated as being angelic. All are in contradiction of the Australian Constitution and the laws of The Legislature of being inversely treated as guilty simply on FALSE ‘allegation’s’ under the auspices of a snakehead insurgent undermining our democracy in a complete cycle from Legislature to Service Delivery and to Community. And well ventilated and urged on by the sisterhood media stereotyping fathers as abusers and women as victims in contradiction to better know government held facts of female perpetrators being almost as frequent as males. Notwithstanding the law is to protect not only the predominant but the individual equally. like fathers in particular who under feminism are denied their ‘government’ legislated protections by service providers such as police.
EMILY’s List are linked in a sisterhood ‘governing by proxy out of ‘The Administration’ under the ‘blind eye’ auspices of snakehead EMILY’s LIST politicians who failed to declare a ‘conflict of interest’ on ‘sole gender’ alliances when forming both gender legislation and voting on heterosexual family and other matters. Ensures the feminist ‘ideology’ prevails over the Australian Constitution requiring not favoring one person or class over another.
Please remove this insurgent snakehead and restore our democracy and protect and strengthen our families to include fathers parenting their children.
As Prime Minister Cameron said ever piece of legislation must be looked at to see if it will strengthen families and if not then it should not be passed.
Australian Labor Party obviously will not want to because (a) EMILY’s LIST is a ‘wing’ of their party (b) are only in government because of the EMILY’s List feminist vote (c) obviously so because it has so many EMILY’s List elected feminist politicians (d) using parliament as their Trojan Horse. [See attachments for their agenda etc.] For example when The Coalition Government put forward the “Shared Parenting Bill” which arose out of feminism ‘tampering’ with cases in ‘the administration’ and it was imminent to pass in The Legislature, Shadow Attorney General Nichola Roxon (ALP) and (EMILY’s LIST) {fox in charge of the henhouse} spent at least two days of parliamentary time – using parliament as a Trojan Horse – challenging anything that ‘administratively’ ensured the ‘legal equality’ of fathers. The Legislature is being used as a Trojan Horse by Emily’s LIST to ‘tamper’ with legislation’ for their ideology of ‘women and children’ to the exclusion of fathers.
HOWEVER THEIR ELECTED ‘LAWFUL’ DUTY SAYS THEY MUST AT LEAST DECLARE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND NOT VOTE ON OR HOLD PORTFOLIOS ON HETEROSEXUAL AND FAMILY MATTERS. But guess who usually gets family responsibilities. Yep, the fox is put in charge of the henhouse ‘women’ because it is falsely assumed they all support ‘motherhood’ and ‘families”. But instead it is where false ‘gender’ statistics and daring ’ideological’ falsehood substitutes for family facts and needs. Like solely male blame advertising being contrary to Australian Bureau of Statistics Governments own Statistician that 38% of violence to women is by other women and when females attack men 77% is in the home. [See ABS and Mens Health attachments].
All Emily’s List Members and donors and sympathizers within Government Employment or Parliament (note attached list of politicians) should be disallowed from any participation in the formation of Family Violence Legislation or similar heterosexual relationship matters on foot. Because of EMILY’s List ‘sole gender’ female – women and children organizational ‘ideology’ (to the exclusion of fathers and husbands) who EMILY’s List organisation fundraised for their election for this Trojan Horse purpose. In which ‘family violence’ is their greatest ‘advocacy’ and ‘propaganda’ and Trojan Horse entry.
Please end this unconstitutional PARLIAMENTARY ‘governance by gender’. I have done my part of restoring our parliamentary democracy by complaint to ASIO and to YOU as our Legislators so please now do your DUTY too.
Also take notice of your own statistician and not EMILY’s List propaganda on current attempts to incorporated States and Territories jurisdictional matters in the (Commonwealth) Family Law Act. Restraining orders were once in it and removed for the reasons of state and territories jurisdiction. Don’t be tricked by the Trojan Horse leaving it Trojan Foal for Labor and EMILY’s List to be ‘feminizing everything’. The current ‘recommendation’ for amendments to the Family Law Act came from Canada suffering the same insurgent’s successful influence there. EMILY’s List Australia have already got it ‘up’ and then ‘past’ the Family Law Reform Commission as a ‘recommendation’ to Labor Attorney General Robert McClelland – who owes EMILY’s List for Labor as Government. Now comes YOUR test as an honest broker if you support our constitution and democracy and families or sole gender ‘feminism’ and ‘single mothers’ as our way of ‘governance’ and society. Oh yes ‘feminism’ and ‘gays’ are ‘politically’ aligned on parliamentary ‘family’ matters for each of their on hypocritical ‘self serving’ interests that undermines ‘heterosexual’ family cohesion.
One has to keep abreast or best ahead of such a deceitful insurgent. All of your best efforts please from all of you in this matter to disallow ‘governance by gender’ Including EMILY’s List members to step down and not vote because of your ‘conflict of interest’ and to be honest in representing your male constituents. Who are as many the victims of female spousal violence as visa versa and are constitutionally equally entitled to Government representation and protection. That is not forthcoming from EMILY’s List members and supporters and sympathizers. This anti family legislation according to UK Prime Minister David Cameron would no longer be acceptable in UK. Let this be the first of the same ‘family’ focus in Australia.
But why not instead legislate into the family law act what Australia has signed to the Hague Convention on Child Protection
Definition of a child’s home
Parental child abduction
Parental alienation
Being child abuse matters overwhelmingly committed by ‘runner’ mothers and therefore concealed and condoned by EMILY’s List and feminist as ‘empowering women’ but at the cost of committing child abuse. Children are only Trojan Horse ‘political chattel’ to EMILY’s List in their gender war against men – fathers included. Put this child protection into the Family Law Act where it is not so easily ignored.
PLEASE FIX.
Sincerely
Robert E Kennedy Coordinator NT Office Status of Family, PO Box 988, Palmerston, NT 0831. Phone 08 8932 3339
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Wow. You feel very passionately about this issue. So much so, it was hard to read your post due to the rambling nature of it. However, you do raise some valid points that are very important to help promote a well balanced, functioning society.
But why don’t you stop beating around the bush and just write the truth of this rant which is –
“Stop shifting the status quo and just put everything back the way it used to be when women could just be put in their place and had no voice or power in public discussions in politics”
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I have been a victim and currently am, of women with mental health problems, two of whom have put their partners in jail before twice, for domestic violence.
Once they have discovered the power of acting helpless, and how the police lap it up, they use it to their advantage.
I have one woman who rings the police and mental health in each city that I visit, this is her obsession, to have me locked up.
They tell blatant lies, vicious and cruel, about me. They target my deceased son, there are no depths they won’t sink to, and I would be locked up, except I had all the recorded death threats and harassments recorded on my phone.
I have it recorded, asking them when they will stop stalking me, two of them said never.
I have had to close down my facebook page where I had a following of thousands, so yes, I find it concerning that they should be making it easier for women to prey upon women.
That being said, I am fairly nuetral on this particular issue. I am in women’s groups, mens groups, parents groups and children’s groups, and of late the majority of emails I have received are on this issue.
I thought I would post a couple from those who are passionate about the subject.
I personally detest emily’s list, as members of it hide the corruption in the child protection system.
A group that portrays itself as a beacon of light to lure in children only to turn around and kidnap and abuse them is nothing more than a pedophile ring. This is how I see emily’s list.
Thankyou for the opportunity to comment on this issue.
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I tried to look at your website and it is blocked for some reason. I don’t have time to look at this more right now but it seems something extremely tragic has happened in your life – losing your son Luke which may have prompted this misguided crusade that you are on?
Emily’s List seems like the target that you have chosen to direct your blame at.
Im extremely sorry for your loss. As I don’t have more information I don’t think its appropriate to comment further on the circumstances surrounding it.
Disabling and trying to thwart Emily’s List is not going to help you heal from all the hurt you continue to experience on a daily basis.
It’s just displaced anger.
Its so sad to hear that you have had really bad experiences with women in your life. Perhaps you have been dismissed and not taken seriously hence the work you do on your website as an attempt to highlight your cause and gian some attention.
Women are seen and portrayed in society and media as nurturing and caring and we rarely want to acknowledge that women can inflict just as much abuse on others as men can. It is widely acknowledged in academia and social work that those that abuse others have often been victims of horrendous abuse themselves. This is the case with men and women.
I hope that one day you will get the chance discover women that will support you and enrich your life. It sounds like you haven’t really been surrounded by that.
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i totally agree with what you are saying ‘just saying’. i am sorry for your loss too. i don’t think this is the right target for your sadness.
whether you agree or not, i think emily’s list is a very valuable organisation. maybe some men won’t get that but women’s rights are important too
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You’re not neutral at all. I don’t know what’s happened to you, it’s clearly something very traumatic, but just admit you’re not neutral. No one that’s been abused is neutral.
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Of course I am not neutral. To sit by and allow corruption to continue makes one just as corrupt, even a nobody such as myself.
http://www.lukesarmy.com/blogs/lukes-dad/julia-gillard-linda-burney-and-emilys-list-corruption-highest-levels-child
This goes the same for Julia Gillard, she is well aware of the corruption existant in Emily’s list and allows it to continue unabated at the cost of devastated children and parents lives, permanently traumatised and desecrated.
I have done my homework.
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There is no women’s legislature in any of Australia’s 15 houses of parliament, just men’s legislatures to which women are admitted by male consent. No women’s jurisdiction in the courts, only the men’s jurisdiction. The nation is governed by a Cabinet of sixteen men, and four women including a leader appointed by a majority of men, and some blokes maintain their problems with governance are all women’s fault, a manifestly delusional proposition. Are you ok? Its men’s fault buddy, most especially the reluctance of men to concede women their own uninterrupted and unintimidated legislative assemblies.
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Thankyou for your reply Philip. Although this statement is permissably confined to the topic of women’s rights, it is evidence of this woman’s priorities.
Several weeks ago she promised 400 million to child protection improvement in Australia, which is desecrated by corruption, a promis she never came through with.
Surely campaigning for children’s rights and family rights surpasses canvassing her achievements as a woman, grandstanding to the public to promote Emily’s List?
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I wish Labor would work on putting together a better PR team. If they have one at all.
For every Government announcement, there’s a soundbite or video clip of Abbott’s opposing viewpoint for the radio/TV to play. This has more impact than the initial message to the listener/viewer.
Unfortunately, the Prime Minister has to start playing the same way as the opposition do (but perhaps not as cheap and nasty) – they are the kings of spin and PR. And they’re winning.
I couldn’t even find a way to contact Labor’s PR team on their website.
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I work for a big corporate and have been given a lot of thought to my career progression in the last few weeks. The statistics quoted by Julia Gillard in her speech….. “Just 13 per cent of corporate board members are female, Only 3 per cent of ASX 200 companies have female CEOs and
less than 9 per cent of key executive management positions in ASX 200 companies are women” resonate with me and I have a theory on why this might be so.
I have two children and returned to work full time very soon after the birth of my first child and then returned to work 4 days a week very soon after the second was born. My husband also works part time and has done so since before the birth of our first child. What this means for both our careers is that neither of us is taken seriously as wanting to progress up the traditional corporate ladder, as we are not “living” in the office.
And therein lies the problem. Part time or flexible work is not seen by corporate decision makers as a road to being a senior manager,executive or CEO. So as a result of this, career driven corporate men, will rarely ever ask to do their job part time, from home, or leave everyday at 3pm to pick up the kids. And if the men don’t ask to do it, then of course the responsibility of caring for children and asking for flexible options will fall to women. And further if the men don’t ask to do it, then this perpetuates the notion that to be successful and to be considered career minded you have to be in the office at the crack of dawn till late everyday, available on the blackberry at anytime and willing to sacrifice family life to get ahead. Of course for the brave men that do ask, this request may or may not be met, and if it is, they are then put into the “not serious about their career” basket (like my husband – who has been ridiculed for being the primary stay at home parent).
So we have this self perpetuating culture – that men work full time and progress careers, while women work part time/flexibly and care for children. When the time comes time to appoint a candidate to a senior management or executive position it is likely that there will be many more male candidates that are considered to have “earnt” the position because they are there every day slogging away.
So to those commenting on this post about the need for equal focus on men’s rights – how about we join forces on this one? If you think it is an affront on men’s rights that they have to be a slave to the big corporates at the expense of their family time and their health…….then why not tell your employers that you want to work part time/flexibly. Fight for the right to see your family and to look after for yourselves! The more men demand this right, the less stigma there is attached and it becomes the norm, and the more it levels out the playing field in allowing both men and women to be equal at work and and relationships/parenting. A win – win situation – right?
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What a fantastic post, we are (both genders) in this together, both with issues that need addressing, so the sooner we all see this (mia, the media, the pm & gvmnt) and address both sides, the better.
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Mexxsta, this comment is brilliant and I think brings up a real and concrete solution to this issue.
I have seen it time and time again too, we are all indoctrinated in to this paradigm that you need to be a slave to work in order to get ahead and the only ones that are taken ‘seriously’ in a corporation are the ones that are workaholics.
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Men didn’t think it was necessary to complain since the feminist movement was supposed to focus on EQUAL rights for both women and men. The first feminist ideology got it right, but some where along the egotist board members, women wanted more and more (much like an extremist). Now that it has been incorporated into social society, we now must focus and protect people who are too weak to make it on their own.
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I think this is a fantastic speech. I was pretty shocked at some of the comments below, particularly about men’s rights. I am not super impressed with all the Gillard Government’s policies but this post is about women’s rights and as has been said below, I don’t see why a speech about promoting women’s rights has to be seen as taking away from other issues. I’m not always proud of my Prime Minister but I was reading her speech this morning.
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Mia, you said, in your earlier comment, that men have always been the dominant gender, but as another commenter said, that was in the 70s and before. Today, however, men are liable to suffer from governmental control of their families and their incomes. While the government gives readily to the mother, as it should, it also denies, in many cases, a father’s access to children that is both unwarranted and based on discrimination against men.
In lower socio-economic demographics, fathers are removed from their families at the slightest behest of an aggrieved mother. The pendulum has swung too far when a mother can deny complete access for the father, and claim not only benefits, but also a substantial portion of the father’s wage, while denying that the child even has a father.
The result is a generation of boys growing up without a male parent. This is not an advance for society, but a determined devolution of the natural family. In extreme cases, this can be seen in the recent court decision to remove the donor father’s name from a child’s birth certificate in favour of the de facto lesbian partner.
How is this bettering society? Why does the destruction of the family seem such a priority for left wing feminists?
As for Julia…
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Don’t forget the changes to the family law act being passed to make it even easier to minimise a child’s right to know both parents…..
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the thing that really strikes me when i read the comments is:
1. people are so venomous towards gillard
2. people have higher expectations of her as a female prime minister .she needs to be a champion for women’s rights, and as a women a champion for the rights of minorities, as an atheist the champion for atheism and as an unmarried women the champion for gay marriage, not to mention the misogynists coming from all directions… the list could go on.
i think that people have higher expectations of her BECAUSE she is a women. i don’t remember hearing people complain so loudly about howard not being a supporter of home birth. but because she is a women, people are so much more affronted.
i have said it before. i really don’t think australia is ready for a female prime minister. people’s expectations are sooo much higher on her.
people might have been ANGRY with howard for not introducing gay marriage but people are DISAPPOINTED in gillard. now we all remember what it is like when your parents say they are not angry, they are disappointed… it is so much worse.
all of this just makes me feel so disheartened. does any former labor voters really believe that abbott is going to be MORE caring to refugees, MORE likely to introduce gay marriage? is abbott really doing anything but just making big loud noises?
if you read any forums about gillard the level of personal abuse and insults is unbelievable. i have never seen anything like it. i think gillard deserves some acknowledgment for the way she has continued to behave with dignity.
these are some comments from ONE post on facebook about gillard giving a major address to the Chifley Research Centre on Labor’s future:
“In 2 years Julia Gillard has screwed more people than Paris Hilton”
“after i piss in her mouth that is”
“Will u admit u lied ? will u admit u fuckd up ? will u admit u r an illigitimate govt ? will u admit u have no real strong well planned balanced policy ? NO ! so y the meeting ? of course to tell more LIES !”
“DITCH THE WITCH SHE IS SCREWING AUSTRALIA … FK HER AUSTRALIAN businesses and households will have to send about $650 billion overseas between 2020 and 2050 to buy permission to keep some of our coal-fired power stations and other industries operating.”
“Get lost Julia. We hate you, you liar.”
Clearly these people are not the sharpest pencil’s in the tin, but i just cannot believe people are so nasty. i really strongly dislike tony abbott but i would NEVER write such nasty and personal attacks about him anywhere.
can i also add, i wish she was doing more for refugees, i also wish she would introduce gay marriage. but she is doing a lot of good, we just don’t hear about it. 70% murdoch owned media is not helping, no matter what anyone says.
i know i am opening myself up to a lot of negative comments but i just needed to get that off my chest.
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Oh Rainbow, I support everything you have said above.
What an articulate rant! Thank you for putting in to words what i believe too.
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thanks! it was bugging me all day when i read the comments, i am glad i am not alone.
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Rainbow, If having high expectations of Gillard because shes a woman is wrong, then how is it right to have expectations of men? I noticed the more a woman say men are threatened by women of higher status it actually questions a mans expectation to be dominant. Your double standards and hypocrisy remains oblivious to you under the condition that men are trying embrace the change. But how do you expect us to accept change when we’re made to feel guilty for it?
On another note to settle the sexism towards the politician…Kevin was dismissed for less.
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Julia,
If you want to talk about oppression and barriers…
Gay people of Australia = oppressed by you
Nice to see you’re passionate about gender equality,
but you personally have decided that gay people are lesser beings than straight people.
How do you explain that?
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I think that her personal opinion doesn’t really come into it. She is still only one member of the ALP. I’d say it’s a party line not to endorse gay marriage.
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Re all the comments about whether men or women have it tougher…
Imagine how an affluent, straight, white male meanders through his life – his education, leisure pursuits, major purchases like cars and houses, his healthcare, his opinions on society, business and politics, his marriage and foray into fatherhood… and think about how he’s generally received by society. The kind of reception he gets along the way, the expectations and assumptions that are made about how he should be treated and how he’s likely to behave.
Then do the same mental exercise from the perspective of a woman or a non-white person or a gay person or a poor person. What assumptions or impositions are made upon them? How are they treated?
I absolutely agree that many affluent, straight, white men have tricky days or days where they don’t get the best deal or days where they’re treated disrespectfully or are genuinely hard done by.
But I absolutely believe that those negative experiences are significantly more common for everyone else. And the less you look like an affluent, straight, white man, the harder it gets.
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I think men definitely are at a disadvantage when it comes to health and as a result their mortality rate is much higher. Men die at an alarming rate from prostate and especially colon cancer but it just doesnt get the media exposure that breast and cervical cancer get, though Im not saying that breast cancer shouldnt get exposure- it definitely should. I read an article a few months back and someone said this exact thing and put it down to the fact that the bowel isnt “sexy” (authors words not mine) like breasts so is harder to market and get celebrities on board. But lets face it, men are hopeless when it comes to seeing a Dr so its up to us to give them a push. And contrary to what others are saying regarding men living an easy life and having nothing to worry about well suicide rates suggest otherwise (21.9 per 100,000 males compared to 5.5 per 100,000 females).
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I understand what you’re saying, and having friends who have experienced bowel cancer and prostate cancer I know it is terrifying and sad that so many men have to deal with it.
Where I’m coming from though is looking at how a white man negotiates his way around society and is taken seriously by people who are in positions of power. He can pretty much do it on his own terms. ‘Minorities’ face significant obstacles when it comes to being taken seriously and with respect. The best way to tell is to run your eye over the House of Reps and the Senate. What kind of faces are most often chosen to run the country?
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“those negative experiences are significantly more common for everyone else. And the less you look like an affluent, straight, white man, the harder it gets.”
Absolutely agree sometimeskaren.
And therein lies the inherent subclasses (gender, race and to many extents still here in Australia, religion as well) and the subclassing of subclasses. This constancy of the entrenched dominant culture feedloop ‘stuff’ (what’s portrayed as ‘normal’ or ‘acceptable’) just keeps feeding off and defining itself by its subclassing nature…
Australia, egalitarian? Nup
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Do these affluent white males not have wives for goodness sake?
Are these women not as affluent and privileged, bearing in mind that a lot of them don’t even have to work and have housekeepers?
All you hear about is rich white males, but there are as many rich white females and many of them only had to “marry” into wealth, not get a degree and work a 90 hour week for 30 years.
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How do you know? Do you keep stats on this?
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I don’t have to know, I also don’t have to listen to arbitrary assertions about rich white men, when they are almost always married to and equally rich woman.
If you’ve got nothing to add then why comment on my postings?
You don’t like what I stand for – Fine, prove me wrong????
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All I could think about reading Julia’s speech was women’s choices in birthing….. and provider numbers for midwives……and a woman’s right to birth her baby in her own home. We will soon be marching on the streets reminiscent of the good old days so we can see how far we think we have come. Stop the spin Julia and tell those paternalistic power hungry “men” what women really want.
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Julia, time for gay marriage.
You know it.
We know it.
Just do it, okay?
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As a card-carrying feminist, and a historian, there are some aspects of this speech I like.
But Julia, what about women seeking refugee asylum status? Aren’t they in need of assistance too?
And what about indigenous women? Still the lowest standard of living of all women in Australia, on pretty much any indicator.
Maybe it’s time to get serious about this.
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The government is actually doing quite a lot on indigenous women’s health, check out some of the programs here http://www.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/health-oatsih-programs.htm
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That link is to a site that reeks of the author not knowing their own privilege and using finger pointing to absolve her own ignorance. It’s hilarious to read a person who thinks white women under the current system are not the most privileged people in the history of humankind.
From benefits for child birth, without responsibility, through to laws that assume her to be the victim. When a man kills a child it’s evil masculinity, when a women kills a child, she has feminism leaping to her defense stating how she is mentally ill. Fry the man – Free the Woman.
From living longer, better health care, better health care funding, lower arrest rates, lower sentencing rates, less work place deaths, less workplace injuries, less work place hours, less pressure to earn for the family, more choices in reproduction – without more responsibility, more choices in care giving, more money to spend at malls, 80% of wealth ownership in western countries, lower instances of murder, being the more violent partner in relationships according to all major studies, but able to accuse men of more violence on the back of well known, but far smaller feminist studies, being more likely to kill a child – but being able to hide behind domestic violence dogma – which never talks about the domestic violence of mothers against children – Which is more frequent, expecting men to listen to womans problems at every avenue – But ignoring men’s problems and dismissing them, using a period as an excuse for bad behaviour whenever it suits, but such behaviour would be considered abuse if it was from a man, having the majority of voter.
Reeks of privilege.
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Women live longer because they generally look after themselves better.
We don’t get better health care, we just show up to the doctor more often, probably also why we live longer (no one is stopping men from going to the doctor). This is borne out of logic not privilege.
We have lower arrest rates and therefore lower sentencing rates because we don’t commit as many crimes. Also, we don’t tend to have a predisposition to kill people either due to lower testosterone levels. There are the exceptional cases of course.
We have less work place deaths because we don’t tend to choose jobs that involve a high risk of getting hurt (well not physically anyway). This is a choice not a privilege.
We have less work place hours, yes, but also we don’t get paid when we don’t work, so not sure what your point is here. We still do not get the same pay for the same work to this day. It is well documented by things such as the CENSUS. Google it.
We have more pressure THAN ever to to earn money for our families. In fact many women that read this site would love to be able to be a stay at home mum but just don’t have the choice because of financial pressures.
More choices in reproduction? Women are heavily discriminated in the workplace after having children. Even women of child bearing age with no children faces unspoken discrimination in the private sector. I wouldn’t call this more choices.
More choices in care giving? I’m with you on this one. Its terrible men don’t spend as much time with their children on average as women do. I would argue that women have much more responsibility rather than less when they become mothers. But then so do fathers. Its called parenting and its stressful for both parents equally.
More money to spend at malls? This statement is just weird.
80% of wealth ownership in western countries? Laughable and completely fabricated out of thin air.It is estimated that women own less than 2% of all titled land in the world. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_Property_Rights
The other bizarre claims that women commit more domestic violence acts than men is again completely fabricated and simply untrue. I could site numerous anecdotal evidence, studies, statistics, etc but I suspect that I would be wasting my time. Again, do yourself a favor and google it. Of course a small percentage of women commit violence against others and sometimes against their own families and that doesn’t make it right, but the stats are just not on your side with this one either.
I am sorry to jump to this conclusion without more information but it sounds as if there is a possibility that you have been given a really hard time by the women in your life, hence your very skewed view of how things actually are for most women?
If you have, then I am deeply sorry. No one should treat each other badly in any situation and especially not because they happen to be of the opposite gender. I would know because I have been treated badly, put down, made fun of, belittled, sexually harassed for simply being a woman many times in my life.
If you are so passionate and sincere about your fight for “men’s rights” then you should pen a thoughtful, WELL RESEARCHED, logical article for Mamamia and submit it for publishing.
Imagine if our prime minister just started throwing around made up statistics and had no evidence to back them up! The prime minister has the evidence to back up her claims, you unfortunately, do not.
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The superannuation gap between men and women is massive…
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Mia, you really should get rid of these trolls – all they do is de-rail the discussion. They’ve got their own men’s rights websites, I say send them back there and let us discuss the actual issues without haing to defend the basics every time a gender issues comes up. It’s just getting boring.
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I see anon, so when rick constantly brings up gay rights with passion it isnt trolling, when refugee actists constantly raise that, not trolling, when the countless women constantly remind us of their battles, not trolling, but if men dare point out, in response to a prime minister and government that seems to fail to even acknowledge we have our own gender specific issues, that men need representation as well, we are trolling. Maybe instead note the depth of feeling and use that as a catalyst to see another viewpoint
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” men need representation as well”
Yeah, our parliaments have no male MPs after all, you poor under-represented petals.
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I’ll take umbrage with the notion that when it happens to me it’s choice but if it happens to women it’s systemic discrimination.
“We don’t get better health care, we just show up to the doctor more often, probably also why we live longer (no one is stopping men from going to the doctor). This is borne out of logic not privilege.”
Men not seeking health care is due to several factors, many of which are their own fault, but often traditionally working long hours and hard jobs, the working male has not had the time freedom that their stay at home partners have.
After the first year of life boys nationally have a death rate 35 per cent higher than girls. Whether you like men or not, these boys are not responsible for their own health care.
Twice as many boys die from drowning and falls as girls.
Women visit hospitals because it is systemic and thus are checked as a matter of accordance opposed to males to only take the matter into their own hands
Male children are more likely to be victims of infanticide of which mothers account for 70% of the cases.
The fact is there is still far more money spent on getting females into medical clinics when it is adult men who are less likely to visit and are in need of definitive ongoing campaigns.
“We have less work place deaths because we don’t tend to choose jobs that involve a high risk of getting hurt (well not physically anyway). This is a choice not a privilege.”
I’m glad we agree that it is possible choice affects outcome – I just apply it to men’s fatalities and women’s lack of chasing CEO positions.
“We have lower arrest rates and therefore lower sentencing rates because we don’t commit as many crimes”
You’re absolutely right – But you are less likely to be arrested as well. In all domestic violence call outs the police will almost uniformly arrest and detain the male regardless of his testimony unless he is extremely injured. That is a fact
The legal system does not arrest females at the same rate for the same offences. That is simply my opinion, but I have seen this in action too often for it to be coincidental. I’ve seen bouncers assaulted by females on to hold them until the police get there, and get charged for the privilege.
Men are more violent in public and get arrested thusly – I’m not going to argue against that.
“We have less work place hours, yes, but also we don’t get paid when we don’t work”
..And there’s your wage gap.
Also women choose lower paying jobs and do not pursue promotions at the rate men do. So it’s choice, not systemic discrimination.
“More choices in reproduction? ”
Yes.
If a man wants to not be a father he can simply abstain or trust a condom.
If a women does not want to be a parent she has a world of choices – Abstinence, contraception, the morning after pill and abortion.
So it’s pretty fair to say 4>2
No women has to give birth if she doesn’t want to, that is no women has to have the responsibility of a child if she doesn’t want it.
A man becomes a father solely on the choices a women makes but has an equal financial responsibility.
The reason women are often charged with more child raising duties is because in 100% of the time the child is theirs, whereas the man is not sure without testing.
A woman knows exactly what the responsibilities of child birth are and has a child accordingly under full disclosure.
“Its terrible men don’t spend as much time with their children on average as women do”
Some of that is choice and some of that is court enforced. Many women still threaten men using the kids as collateral, many women take out avo’s as a deliberate weapon.
Many women stop good fathers seeing their kids and the courts do very. very little to stop this.
We live with a system where my Cousin inherited my Aunty’s house, he got married – She cheated on him, got pregnant (already had 2 kids to him), when he question why the child looked nothing like him the argument became heated and she threw a glass at him.
18 stitches later, she took an AVO against him.
She was not charged – She divorced him, he had to pay child support for a child that wasn’t his and when paternity test proved him not the father, he was not allowed to sue for the payments he made.
She has the house he grew up in and spent years renovating before she met him, now he lives with my mother and has nothing, and sees his kids on weekends whilst his ex and her new boyfriend live in his family house – She even has a boarder.
Thousand of cases like this can be found across our great country, hell, several can be found in my immediate family.
“More money to spend at malls?”
Walk into a mall – That’s pretty much all I have to say, there is no need to further that point.
It has been comprehensively proven that in relationships women spend more money on themselves than men do. Women spend more money on fashion and apparel – Men spend their money on asset improvement – Which women enjoy half ownership in, oft more in divorce.
“80% of wealth ownership in western countries? Laughable and completely fabricated out of thin air.It is estimated that women own less than 2% of all titled land in the world.”
Did you just quote wikipedia?
Senior women age 50 and older control net worth of $19 trillion and own more than three-fourths of the nation’s financial wealth. – MassMutual Financial Group–2007
Mass Mutual Financial Group,
I guess you don’t have to be a scientitian to notice that the majority of western humans are married – Asset ownership is divided and in divorces which sit a 50% women receive custody 87% of the time and the average extra percentage of shared wealth is 10% per child.
Does that wikipedia article you quoted include common land?
It’s kind of a mockery.
“The other bizarre claims that women commit more domestic violence acts than men is again completely fabricated and simply untrue. I could site numerous anecdotal evidence, studies, statistics”
Don’t worry – I’ll do that for you
Here are the 2 largest resources on domestic violence ever assembled they show women to be more frequently the primary aggressor:
http :// pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/V74-gender-symmetry-with-gramham-Kevan-Method%208-.pdf
http :// www. law.fsu.edu/journals/lawreview/downloads/304/kelly.pdf
(I broke the links here to avoid spam filter you will have to put them back together)
“Of course a small percentage of women commit violence”
Apparently not
Here is a collection of 282 scholarly investigations: 218 empirical studies and 64 reviews and/or analyses which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners
The largest study of its kind in history – 369,800
http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm
“The prime minister has the evidence to back up her claims, you unfortunately, do not.”
Should I send you a wikipedia quote?
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I like you. And I’m female – there I go against the sisterhood.
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Men spend on asset improvement hey? Like the motorbike, jet ski, motor boat, big tv, surround sound system? Both genders spend, just on different things. My mother in law inherited a house that my father has. It happens to both. Oh and he’s in his 70s now, he kept it after she left him for severe domestic violence. I’d say the reality is somewhere between what you have both said, don’t you think?
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Crap-meant father in law, not father!
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No I can back it all up with stats, which is what feminism based itself on when it created one sided, loaded studies without male voices.
Those same surveys were used as PROOF.
Undeniable, inarguable proof.
But now better, more accurate, larger studies disprove many of those dishonest earlier unscientific studies WRONG.
So why would it be what she said?
Because you say so?
Because she is a woman?
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The fact the status quo is shifting (albeit at a glacial pace) towards greater equality of all human beings, I could imagine, it would be a rather distressing and a threatening place to be for a white, straight male with an average income or above.
If you happen to be all four – white, straight, rich and male, congratulations for winning the birth lottery because you have managed through no effort whatsoever to come out on top when it comes to who makes all the decisions and who really controls this earth.
What we are actually talking about in all of these feminist discussions on Mamamia is the “privilege” paradigm. I highly recommending that every one read this parable below. (it’s quite long but definitely worth the effort to read). It certainly explained a lot for me and it helped me not get so mad when men seem to be thoughtless assholes when it comes to caring about other people’s experiences.
https://sindeloke.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/37/
All you need to do is replace gecko with female, gay, refugee, person with a disability, poor, etc, etc – you get the drift.
It’s not that (white, straight, rich) men are necessarily trying to be complete and utter assholes it’s just their environment is changing from one of being completely comfortable to one where it may not be so comfortable for them anymore, hence the backlash we are now seeing.
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What percentage of men are these rich easy streeters you talk of, most work their arse off for a lifetime to support a family, are well over represented in suicide, mental illness, work place injury, most often get shafted in family law, have way less work life flexibility and die 5-6 years earlier for the privilige, yup, easy street sure feels good
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That answer to my original comment just doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.
Your subborn defensiveness seems like it is masking some other trauma or hurt you may have experienced and you are trying to find anything or anyone to blame.
I hope you have the courage to try to read the story I linked to. Try to read it with the intent to understand not with the intent to respond.
All the problems men face that you list above are an issue of course, there is no doubting that. Its heart breaking that men are having a very hard time coping with the fact that the world has and will continue to change.
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Your references to assholes is offensive, none of the men in here have expressed sentiments toward women that are anywhere near as patronising and offensive, thanks anyway
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Ok point taken, that was very harsh to use assholes.
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If history is read, the women who pioneered Women’s Rights, Emancipation of Women, led the charge for equality in many areas, were clever, determined, and willing to give up much for a cause. They were women to be admired. Julia is none of these and is driven by greed and a lust for power. The first line in Julia’s speech says it all – “I am Australia’s first female prime minister”. Power at any price.
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What an incredibly judgemental comment
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“I am Australia’s first female prime minister”
i don’t get what is offensive about that? it is true. it is significant.
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Any Aussie woman who is looking at Australian women as being instrumental in achieving women’s rights at a high level could do well to investigate a woman I have recently read about who reached such heights over 200 years ago. And that woman is Elizabeth Macarthur. Wow! To achieve what she did in the period when women were pushed into the background at all levels of British society is incredible. If you can find the book Australia’s First Lady by Lennard Bikell, so much the better, as it is a story of hardship, love, tenacity and sadness that deserves a TV miniseries
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great speech. i already read it on the emily’s list website, a great organisation. although no doubt we will hear from the anti-choice brigade before too long…….
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The ‘what about teh menz’ brigade a re certainly already out in force!
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As are the ‘what about the gays’ brigade melissa ( brigade captain rick), why not mention that?
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Anti choice brigade? surely women have more choice and life flexibility than men these days
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i am actually referring to the pro-choice debate re access to abortion.
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‘…it started with two hard-working Welsh migrants who’d been denied opportunity in their own lives and who didn’t want the same for their own children.’
Why are asylum seekers, who are not just seeking a better life, but are seeking freedom from persecution, not seen in the same way? You supported low-paid migrant women, wonderful, but why are asylum seekers not worthy of your support? Women who risk everything to bring their children to safety, only to be locked up by your government (and previous ones). Men & women persecuted and imprisoned, only to be persecuted and imprisoned again when they thought they were finally safe.
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It’s true that we do take a lot of our ‘women’s rights’ for granted. I’m currently on maternity leave with my second child and will return to work next year. I have an array of options of returning to work – full time/part time/flexible work hours. My mum told me that when she had me 35 years ago, there was no maternity leave, let alone paid maternity leave, there was not even really an option to return to work given the scarcity of child care and she was required to resign from her job to have me. Things have certainly changed since then and whatever options we decided to make as women, at least we have a choice now. There is still a way to go across a broad range of women’s issues but am thankful for all the strong women before me who stood up and made a difference to give me the opportunities i take for granted today.
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for or against Julia’s politics and what she stands for (or doesn’t!), this comment rang true to me, as an almost word for word quote from my own mother. I’m reminded of this when I have professed a desire to ‘donkey vote’ due to a disbelief in the poitical options when voting, or if I just feel like giving up in a struggle:
“Too many women gave up too much to achieve them”
…..ie don’t waste you rights and your freedoms, too many people fought too hard for you to treat it so lightly.
It’s this comment, this belief that maintains my proud identification as a feminist, and maintains my fight for people to continue to identify as feminists (male or female), and to not let it die because so many wrongly identify it as a militant ideology, rather than a basic belief in equal humanity.
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You are not my “friend”, Julia!!!
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She wasn’t addressing her speech to you, or did you miss the bit where it explained she was addressing Emily’s List, who *are* her friends?
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I agree with the comments regarding asylum seekers etc…and this govt. But good on Julia for being out there. A year ago it was a dirty word to call yourself a feminist and I am happy it is all being discussed in the mainstream again. Q and A was interesting the other night with the women panellists talking about the prevalence of pornography and the damage it does to women and men… and I swear it looked to me like some of the male panellists looked bored and as though they thought these two crazy women were getting on their soapbox and it had nothing to do with them… when it does. When will men realise that feminism is about men and women and bringing equality, balance and respect into all society….surely that is a good thing for those backlashing men who feel we are talking about our issues at the expense of them and their ‘rights’. Come on. Violence against women is EVERWHERE at the moment, it is truly disturbing. I hope these issues stay on the agenda and I hope men will get on board for the benefit of all of us!
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Imagine Tony Abbott making a similar speech in support of men. I thought Julia was elected to look after the interests of ALL Australians.
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Oh now, that’s a bit harsh. One speech does not a template make. And she makes a valid point…even if it sounds hollow to me from her. If anyone else said it I’d be nodding vigorously.
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And it IS in the interests of all Australians for women to be truly equal. It has economic benefits that would benefit everyone, it has social benefits that would benefit everyone and what’s more, it’s fair.
If the PM gives a speech about mining to a group of miners, do you accuse her of not looking after the interests of people who aren’t miners?
She speaks to her audience about the parts of the government’s agenda that concern them – and if Tony Abbott made a speech about men’s health, say, to a group of men, I don’t see why anyone would see anything wrong with that. It’s what all politicians – all speakers in fact – do.
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can we take the speech in context please people? she was talking to a group of women who belong to emily’s list.
this was not a speech given to school children, coal miners, economists etc etc.
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I voted for Julia last time, but this time I’ve been dissappointed. I don’t especially want to vote for anyone.
Julia, you are an atheist. There are so many non religious people in Australia. Why don’t you ever use your atheism to your advantage instead of treating it as a liability? We need a voice in politics for the atheists, the agnostics, or the just plain not religious ppl in society. It would sure as hell even things out a bit if you supported us even just a little bit rather than pander to the church groups so much.
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“I just wanna drag you’re lifeless body to the forest
And fornicate with it but that’s because I’m in love with
You… cunt”
The person who sings that just won a VMA. A sign that sexism is truly alive and well in western society, and won’t be going away anytime soon.
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The actions involved in those lyrics are not indicative of society’s view as a whole.
Were such actions real, they would most certainly be admonished in mass disapproval and disgust.
Being that music is art and art is provocative and at times extreme, it is often possible for the artist to perform or maintain the illusion of actions and beliefs they don’t hold.
I’m sure Lady Gaga is not actually bat shit crazy.
All actual/real violence is unacceptable for sure, but movies and lyrics are not systemic and people should know better than to copy what they see and hear in fiction.
Unfortunately for both men and women, humans often can’t/won’t make that distinction.
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No they are not. However, the very fact that an artist gains an incredible amount of popularity through exploiting misogyny is an indication that people do not take sexism and misogyny seriously. If those lyrics were directed at a particluar race, they would not be able to be produced let alone heard in a public forum. His lyrics are blatant sexism, and if someone like yourself (who claims to be such an equalist) is not disgusted but that then it’s a worry. No, he does not do these things in real life, but open disrcimination of women is accpeted in pop culture, and it is the most obvious sign that true progress has not been met for women.
If you were a true equalist you would be appalled by disrcimination against women as much as discrimination against men.
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“people should know better” is completely idealistic by the way.
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“If you were a true equalist you would be appalled by disrcimination against women as much as discrimination against men.”
I don’t claim to be an equalist, I practice it.
1 daughter, 1 son.
If my daughter faces some form of discrimination I’ll be the first to grab the placard and carve it up, but right now my son has already at age ten faced many discriminations.
I don’t tell people what art they should like and how they should interpret it. What I do believe is regardless of the content it is up to the individual to act or not act.
I refuse to not hold anyone violent completely accountable for their actions.
I will not tolerate any excuse that art influences free will.
““people should know better” is completely idealistic by the way.”
As opposed to banning lyrics you don’t agree with or believe that lyrics in a song contributes to actions in real life.
I’m not drawing any long bows here.
I’ve never been compelled to buy a” shiny dove”, to “dance until I die”, to “fly to the moon” or to “eat shit and die”.
Funnily enough these lyrics are distinguishable from my volition.
I won’t blame it on the boogie, I’ll blame it on the adult.
I can tell you I am appalled by anyone violent who thinks they can hurt another person with force.
I am not appalled at poor taste, because I am not the moral police
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It is so depressing to see that “men rights activists” have overtaken mamamia. Every single post which celebrates women is analysed and opposed under the guise of “eqaulity” by men’s rights activists. Even posts which detail violence against women, is picked apart and anaysed by these people. As a feminist, you would absolutely not find me detracting from articles about violence against men, you would not find me trying to bring up violence against women, as it’s comepletely disrespectful and takes away from the seriousness of the issue. I do not comment on news articles about tragic violence and deaths of men and try to bring up women. URGH. Be happy that women are now free. Please, just be happy for that. You don’t have to fight for women’s rights or anything, just allow women to have some celebration.
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Amen to that.
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Ok, so rick comments on how julias piece does not hold cred because homosexuals are disadvantaged and not being heard by government, and everyone cheers, seems the only group denied the right to suggest we have issues ourselves are the straight aussie men, do we just shut up mia while everyone else tells us continuously how hard their lot is, over and over
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That’s because straight white men are and have always been, as a group, the dominant in society. That’s not to say individually we all have our issues (we do) but you’re deluded if you think women are equal to straight white men or asylum seekers are equal to straight white men.
You’re perfectly entitled to draw whatever attention you deem necessary to your ‘issues’ but what doesn’t fly with most people is this insinuation that you are *unequal* because the simple, glaring, historical truth of the matter is that straight white men have always been *more* equal than everyone else.
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With respect rick, that is an incredibly old school view that may have held up in the 70s, and only goes to underscore why men need to also be heard, and not just the gay ones
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I think you believe that attempting to fix problems men face and the serious inequality women face is mutually exclusive. It’s not. Getting behind the fight for one does not mean you need to denigrate the quite important fight for another. But by the very nature of things, if the situation is NOT equal, only one group can be less equal and as far as men/women goes, that group is women.
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well stop being a victim and do what women did – get together with other men, discuss your problems, figure out a plan of action and execute it. if you feel so hard done by, stop whingeing and do something about it.
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Sydneygal, we are doing something about it, which includes pointing out the fact that media and govmt all but ignores mens issues. Women already have their own minister and now a prime minister talking of female issues and feminism, I hardly think it whinging to point out how one sided it all is
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“seems the only group denied the right to suggest we have issues ourselves are the straight aussie men”
Are they discriminated against specifically *because* they are straight? Or *because* they are ‘aussie’? Or *because* they are men?
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Um, yes, yes and yes, at times, definately.
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Examples? Because I’m straight & I’m white, & I can’t think of any possible situation where these things cause disadvantage.
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Who mentioned anything about being white lulu, as I am not white??? I am australian, seems you have a very narrow view of what being an aussie is. And I could list a ton of examples, especially about being a man, but dont want to turn this into a’who is the biggest victim’ game thanks
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anon:
“Who mentioned anything about being white lulu, as I am not white??? I am australian, seems you have a very narrow view of what being an aussie is”
I can’t reply below, so I’ll do it here. I said ‘white’ because I’ve noticed that a lot of the time people say ‘aussie’ when they mean ‘white’ (particularly white people who are complaining about refugees & immigrants), & I assumed it was the case here. If not, my apologies for the error.
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Did women not address their issues of inequality by yelling and being heard mia? Why when the shoe is on the other foot do we have to shut up?
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Didn’t you hear, even though the most powerful person in the country is a woman and is clearly representing women’s rights, men are still too privileged to be listened to.
Hmmmm, something hypocritical
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Exposing Hypcrsy: when are men NOT listened to!
We’ve had male prime ministers since federation. The vast majority of our political leaders, business leaders, CEOs, board members etc etc etc are male.
I don’t think men have any problem being heard.
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Is there a difference between “elected” Prime Ministers and CEO’s of companies?
At the very least there is some. The majority of voters are women, so would you campaign on men’s rights to get the majority vote from voters who think men’s rights are men’s whines
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But Anon,
Men (particularly white, straight ones) are the societal benchmark – the ones everyone else would like to have the same rights as. THAT’S what we’re talking about when we speak of equality.
What issues of inequality do men face, seriously?
And why do women’s rights make you assume it has to be at the expense of men’s rights? As Rick pointed out, they’re not mutually exclusive. Nobody is TAKING mens’ rights and GIVING them to women!
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What issues of inequality do men face, seriously?
It’s a real pity you would ask a question like this albeit rhetorically.
There are people lining up to answer that question, but the problem is, the ears are closed and the mind is locked up in most people.
Your average guy from the day he is born doesn’t get a better education because he is a man, he doesn’t have laws giving him more rights and he sure doesn’t get a better job because he is a man. It could be argued he will have to work harder. longer and die earlier.
In the areas that count men don’t have advantages; family, spending, longevity, disease.
It’s a real shame people are so heartless to dismiss the plight of many. many men based on what a really small handful of millionaires and CEO’s have.
It’s like looking at Hollywood and saying all Americans are rich.
Men’s issues are genuine and as important as women’s ones – But CEO’s and politicians don’t address them.
Many women in parliament are Feminists and have an active role in gendering policies.
Telling men to man up or calling them whiners is the typical response, or better yet we compare their privilege to the tiny 1% of the population that actually have money and power.
The more men are demonized the less people will get behind any push to address the real issues that hard working, good men face.
Some people are very happy to see men’s issues repressed.
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Just to play Devil’s advocate, men lose out when it comes to access to their children after a divorce, they are less likely to be granted flexible working hours, and they face discrimination when working in certain areas.
There’s probably more, but there’s the most obvious ones to me. I’m not saying that their issues are more important than women’s, but it’s silly to say they don’t have any.
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Mia, I always took you for one to see disadvantage wherever it lies, you of all people surprise me that you seriously believe men have no gender disadvantage in some areas, and after all written here today. I hope your eyes open one day, given you have sons. I find it quite sad, the total denial that men might jsve issues too, yet nobody, government or media, yourself included will let it get even a fraction of the oxygen womens issues get
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Anon, I just don understand when (or why) this became a matter if ‘my issues are more important that yours’.
If this were a post about refugees, would gay people complain they had it tough too?
Why does acknowledging women’s issues automatically mean you don’t care about mens’ issues?
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Mia, none of the men here are even remotely suggesting mens issues are more important, just that we have them also and that this is all but ignorred by media and government. I cant believe how you and so many others believe life is such an easy street for the typical male. The fact this constant focus on womens issues sparks a reaction from many men should be no surprise. Your attitude fails me mia
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You should really just ban them all, Mia – this blog used to be a pleasant place to discuss issues and it’s starting not to be any more – a more active moderation policy would go a long way towards fixing it.
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However, we are talking about the Prime Minister of a country that is 48% male, that still have problems unique to them, that she wont address.
We are talking about the representative of all people in this country.
Right now, my son won’t live as long as my daughter and there is something that can be done.
I guess woe is me right?
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“Right now, my son won’t live as long as my daughter and there is something that can be done”
Such as an actuarial analysis to identify the reasons for the difference, but I suppose that’s too much hard work for you.
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I’m not sure what you’re saying as I think you’ve misspelled something, but not to worry – I got your polite tone.
As to the why – I’ve done the hard work looking. Many of the reasons are preventable with education and funding.
I don’t mind my “hard work” earned tax to go that way, but rest assured if men ever start outliving women, there’ll be a department in the government to study the crap out of it and there’ll be ad campaigns till the cows com home.
Sorry if you don’t like me Lulu, I don’t remember our past conversations being very adversarial, so I’m not sure why you’ve chosen now to come out “blazing”
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How self-perceptive of you.
I certainly hear a fair bit of “woe is me” from you.
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Well spotted – My argument is therefor wrong and any action I take for the betterment of such imaginary problems would be wrong to?
Thanks for the addition.
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Pretty sure I didn’t say any of those things.
But thanks for confirming the truth of my comment.
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What is it you want to say?
Actually rather than not saying anything, how about you clarify your point – Were you being sarcastic?
If so do you agree in principle with what I have said or are you saying my complaining is wrong or my message is?
What are you hoping to achieve?
Question mark >?
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You have a *Massive* ” Poor Me” thing going on.
How hard is it to understand?
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@Anon
People who add nothing to a conversation usually fall into 2 categories.
1. Ignorant & unintelligent
2. Insulting and rude because they are No 1, but also have no manners or control
When you have the coruscation, information and acumen to actually make a point rather than name calling, then maybe you should use it, but name calling only makes people disrespect your own lack of integrity.
My life is good and I don;t think anywhere I have stated otherwise, in fact my life is friggin fabulous thank you very much.
Hard work + Sacrifice!!!
Just because I can see that many hard working, good, honest men have some real problems is not a bad thing.
If you think men have no genuine problems, then it says more about you.
Good luck with that temper of yours.
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Of all the rather idiotic comments I expected when I started reading them, I gotta say complaints that Gillard didn’t address men’s issues in a speech celebrating women’s equality…to a feminist organisation…wasn’t one of them.
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She won’t address men’s issues full stop.
Being that she is the leader of this country, I would think she should bloody well be mandated to.
As for commenting on men’s issues. I didn’t realize gender segregation was so nefarious that we could only talk about one issue or one gender, I guess men should know their place.
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She isn’t allowed in the mens shed – that’s Tim’s domain!
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I guess in the interest of fairness the Prime Minister will address men’s issues, being their elected representative.
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Here’s one thing, just to start it all off: http://www.pm.gov.au/press-office/pms-xi-support-prostate-cancer
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She’s got my vote – hehehe.
But seriously it’s always great to see.
I’m not sure in what capacity the RIght Honorable had in any of that match other than name-attached, it is a yearly match regardless of the prime minister, not that that should detract from anything.
It would be nice if she would let us all know where she stands on the real issues men do face, seeing as she had the time to write this article.
I personally don’t want to detract from it, I think we can discuss both sides.
I wish these things wouldn’t turn into us and them. Wouldn’t it be great if we were arguing over who does more for the other not less?
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She certainly has a great speech writer!
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I may not like everything our politicians do or say but I just can’t be that cynical.
I refuse to believe that Julia Gillard did not read/and therefore endorse this post at the very least.
And hats off to her for posting on what has been a very hostile website (comments and healthy not agreeing with her policies, and also agreeing wholeheartedly) for her office (not saying that is right or wrong).
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On another day in time I’d have loved this post.
Today I just feel sick to my stomach about how this Government intends to treat women (and their families) who come here by boat in the pursuit of freedom.
Especially as Ms Gillard wrote this about her own family: “If it came from anywhere, it started with two hard-working Welsh migrants who’d been denied opportunity in their own lives and who didn’t want the same for their own children.”
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I am glad the PM has strong feminist beliefs and I’m glad we have a female PM. But to me, being a feminist means believing in equality for everyone, even if you don’t share their challenges. That is, standing up for the disabled, victims of racism and gay, lesbian, trans and intersex people.
So until she stops pandering to the racist thinking that means we treat asylum seekers as less than and refuses GLBTI people the same civil rights as their hetero friends and family because of some arrogant dominionists, I will not be voting for her.
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i agree. she also doesn’t appear to support any sort of feminist cause.
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While I find the sentiment of this piece perfectly lovely and poignant, I struggle a lot believing a word of it when it comes from the same person who would deny progress to gays and lesbians through marriage.
If you’re going to talk so eloquently about progress, you had best be equally eloquent in the actions that follow.
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You’re right Rick, that gay rights are more than just ripe, but past prime. The mere fact that people still want to tell you who to marry is so absurd a notion to me, that I wonder if it would serve as a catalyst for people to see just how wrong it is to push beliefs on the freedoms of others.
It’s time for Julia to extend her brand of feminism to the gay women who have the right to be with who they want and by equal extension gay men.
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you have a valid point rick but please don’t ruin this post – its great and it needs to be said more often! I wish gay and lesbian marriage would pass through parliament too but it doesn’t make this article any less true or valid. Julia at least gave gay and lesbian people civil rights which was more than any other government has done so far (obviously this doesn’t mean more can’t be done)
but keep in mind if this post said “free marriage for all!” And then I wrote – I struggle to believe this article because julia’s policy on refugees is crap and inhumane (which it is) it would cheapen the message of the article
negativity can be exhausting. Let us not forget that there is a lot of work to be done in marriage rights – but let us not become so over cynical that we can’t rejoice in a bit of good writing and thinking now and again
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I completely agree. But the words just sound hollow to me! (I want better conditions for refugees too
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Christina, well put. For once, can we just celebrate the advancement of women, without it being about gay marriage?
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Ms Gillard didn’t give gay and lesbians civil rights. That happened when Mr Rudd was running the show.
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True.
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Yep. I got a bit teary reading this. For me, it only served as a neon sign pointing to who the Govt *won’t* support.
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and of course they sound hollow but eloquent…. it was written by her speech writer!!
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Whilst much of the Prime Minister having this post, is essentially preaching to the converted. I’d have to say that most of what she wrote was fairly agreeable and she was careful not to get too extreme.
Credit to her.
Bear in mind everybody that as it stands, the wealthiest person in Australia is a woman, we have a female Prime Minister, we have a female governor general and the head of the largest bank is a woman.
You are likely to live at least 5 years longer than men.
You have specialized health care services and woman only hospitals.
You have a government women’s ministry that looks out entirely for your gender, in the absence of a men’s one.
Generally speaking you get to choose if you want to stay home with the kids, far more so than your male counterparts get to choose.
You have a paid maternity leave.
You spend 75% of gross expenditure.
So, it’s not really a stretch to say, that you have a lot of privileges that have worked for and achieved.
The time to get on board equal rights for both genders is probably now and that includes removing the biases you may harbor against men and the struggles that many men face.
Behind feminism was a huge push from a lot of men, who have always believed in equality and fought hard and gave up many privileges for the good of their mothers, daughters and sister.
Please don’t be afraid to look at the problems that many men face in a society that effectively places a lower value on their lives in many ways in both the cultural assignment of a males disposability and way in which the law treats violence against men.
There are men everywhere getting behind breast cancer awareness, from celebrity cricketers and footballers, through to various rotary, lions and masonic memberships.
There are many diseases which aggressively attack men, almost all of them moreso, that could use support.
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Great post, there is as much disadvantage on both sides of the gender divide in this country, yet the media, government and even our pm can only seem to see the one side of the coin.
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The reason breast cancer awareness has so much support is because people (i.e. women) went out there and worked at raising it. If men want to raise awareness for illnesses that largely affect them, there is nothing stopping them from doing the same.
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If it were that easy, except the media, govm’t and society generally does not place the same value on mens health, so attempts to be heard are much more difficult. There has been some change in this in recent years, but a long way to go. A minister looking out for mens issues would be a great start
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Dee, whilst you’re completely right that men can do that, children can’t .
Men’s health affects children now in the future. Traditionally mothers groups have had a time advantage in being able to bring attention to breast cancer, often.
If equality is not gender specific, i.e we have male feminists, then why must the fight for health specific research be gendered.
Men and women can ask for better care for men.
I don’t see how saying that we must assume gender sides to find equality is logical. Joining forces for one single good makes more sense in relation to reducing gender friction and divide.
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women’s health also affects children. Your complaining about women only hospitals will affect children if maternity hospitals, mother’s groups and such are abolished under your ideals of gender equality.
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Sorry G, was that directed at me, because I don;t recall saying anything about abolishing anything?
I certainly wouldn’t/didn’t/won’t.
My ideals of gender equality are just the dictionary definition.
Freedom and rights for everyone, I don’t think you’d argue against that?
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Dee, didn’t you know – mommy is supposed to look after everything.
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Well written post – perhaps you should look into a role as a parliamentary speech writer!
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Wow, what a profound post Free Human Being.
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Women are absolutely not privileged over men. I can tell you as a woman that I have experienced sexism countless times, and I also feel that I cannot fully be myself in society as people will judge me very harshly as a woman. If you believe that men do not have enough equality, please take a look at popular culture and you will find a hideous amount of ineqaulity towards women;
Why are women called bitches, sluts and whores, simply for being born female? I don’t know about you, but in my age group it’s common to call a female a bitch instead of a woman. If that’s not a sign of inequality, and discriminiation against women, i’m not quite sure what is? Can you think of a male example of this? Where a collective group of men are commonly called a dehamunising and discriminatory term? No. This does not happen, ever. A man will be called names if he is considered to be unsavoury but he is not called a ‘dick’ or a ‘bastard’ for no reason whatsoever.
Where is the popular music written by women which revolves around the rape and murder of men as the main themes of the music? E.g. “Rape a pregnant bitch and call it a threesome.”
Why is men’s sport considerably more popular than womens? Why are male sportsmen treated like heros, and women sportsmen judged on the way they look and frequently turned into sex objects.
Where is the overwhelming amount of porn being watched by women which centres around men being slapped, gang banged, gagged, and called whore, slut and bitch?
This is a post which celebrates the advancement of women, and I find it very sad that people have to turn it into a “what about men” post. You’ll find lots of history on yourself as a male, and lots of articles and countless movies, books, and TV shows which celebrate you as a male. Let women have some celebration.
Oh and ps women have women only hosptials due to a little thing called pregnancy. As unfair as this sounds to you, pregnancy and childbirth warrant specialised healthcare.
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Wow, angry much. I would have thought a pm is elected by everyone to look out for everyone, so asking for balance from her is a fair ask. And anyone can find a qoute or song lyric to bak up any opinion, so what, hardly reflects society. Oh, and lastly, men and women are different, men are physically stronger so more people seek out mens sport. Women are more fashion oriented, so female models get paid more and get more exposure. Is called supply and demand
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hahaha. Wow your sexism just proves my point further. I cannot find any lyric which is in popular music in which the female singer in detail, tells stories of rape and murder of men. Find me a female version of Tyler the Creator and I’ll ababandon my point.
“women are more fashion oriented.” That statement reeks of ignorance.
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An unbalanced patriarchal society does not really serve men either….they are forced into narrow stereotypes and gender roles that are just as much as a prison as the ‘homemaker’ of decades ago. But anon is right….sexism and mysogyny are everywhere and unless you are a woman you have no idea what it is like to exist in this world…..of feeling devalued in millions of ways, unsafe, judged for shallow reasons…every single day. Yes there may be areas of men’s issues that need redressing but I feel angry when men feel the need to discuss this/take action at the expense of the women’s movement and these women-focused discussions!
Good on Julia and good on women and feminism that they are so vocal trying to change our society…and I believe it to be for the benefit of both sexes. Every mother wants her daughters AND sons to grow up feeling free to be who they are.
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How does it reek of ignorance, please tell me. Women spend more on fashion FACT, and more demand means that female models are paid more, female fashion gets a higher profile. Men are not however demanding equal time on the cat walk are we. Tell what part of that observation is wrong please….
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Can you ever imagine a male prime minister writing a piece like this re mens issues, EVER. Would never ever happen, as if it did the sisterhood would tear strips off
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It amazes me that as soon as anyone on this site dares suggest anything about guys having issues too ( not taking anything away from womens issues in the process), you get howelled down and called sexist and misogynist. No wonder the strive for equality is labelled feminism, rather than equalism, amazing
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To Anon ..do you realise how patronising it is for you to be in this discussion with the things you are saying? You ARE taking away from the women’s issues discussed in this post with your comments. If you want to discuss men’s issues, why don’t you write your own article to post here?
As someone wrote above, if a male politician made a speech about say, men’s health, it would probably be applauded as that is an area that needs attention. Pollies make speeches to sections of the community all the time. But to suggest that men are somehow marginalised or inequal (as Julia is addressing in her speech) is incredibly patronising and insulting. It ignores CENTURIES of history that is undisputed, as well as realities happening today that CANNOT be brushed aside as women grandstanding. How can YOU presume to know enough to belittle the feminist cause?
Who is the angry one here? Seems like it is you. You ARE sexist and mysogynist in your agruments – that you come into this discussion and dismiss feminism and women’s issues and push the important points aside to make room for your comments (that are not even articulated into anything specific) about men’s issues. As I said above, write your own piece about what you want but get off this discussion. I am not going to respond anymore as it is taking me away from the actual article now!
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But K – This is a post from the Prime Minister and if she addresses men’s rights then I bet there’ll be many a feminist point of view on that page, but she won’t, so here we are and here you have men talking on a post written by their elected representative.
Some one elected to look after men’s and women’s rights – Someone doing an absentee job on one lot’s.
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Preach it sister.
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I never said women were privileged over men. NEVER, I won’t/wouldn’t/didn’t, though this is becoming a regular theme about putting words I never said on screen and then reacting to what I didn’t and would never write.
I said they have privileges, which they most certainly do, as do men.
“Why are women called bitches, sluts and whores, simply for being born female?”
I personally don;t resort to vulgarity often, but I can assure you that men are called assholes, dickheads, jerks, pricks.
Often insults are flung by men and women, I’m certainly not going to say either party is more/less guilty – But I’ll acknowledge BOTH.
“Can you think of a male example of this? Where a collective group of men are commonly called a dehamunising and discriminatory term?”
Pigs – I’ve been sitting at a table (recently) were a disgruntled lady stated all men are pigs, much to the agreeance of all in audience (all female), I was lucky to get a consolidatory “present company excluded”
Phew! – So yes there are many ways in which men are generalized to be subhuman (pigs are more or less not human at all – But very clean when kept inside).
“A man will be called names if he is considered to be unsavoury but he is not called a ‘dick’ or a ‘bastard’ for no reason whatsoever”
Can I just politely ask you if you can see anything insulting about what you’ve just written, or perhaps you could clear up the notion I get from reading that, that you think when a man is insulted he must deserve it, but when a woman receives and insult it is systematic discrimination.
Do men always deserve every insult they receive?( sorry, I don;t want to draw conclusions from your text like you did from things I didn’t write).
“Where is the popular music written by women which revolves around the rape and murder of men as the main themes of the music?”
Apart from the thousands I could list about how men are dogs, pigs, all cheaters, abusers, paedophiles here’s a couple – Go and read their lyrics:
Gunpowder and Lead By Miranda Lambert, Martina McBride, Independence Day,The Dixie Chicks, Goodbye Earl,
It’s okay to kill a man – They’re all abusers anyway.
“Why is men’s sport considerably more popular than womens? Why are male sportsmen treated like heros, and women sportsmen judged on the way they look and frequently turned into sex objects”
Men run faster and excel at sport, they make faster times, higher jumps, longer strides. That makes for (what I don’t think is a huge stretch) more interesting sport. It’s a biologically driven premise.
Most famous sportsmen are not treated as heroes, in fact the tall poppy syndrome we have looks for any bad they do to quickly sell news.
I have seen more half naked male sports star adorn than pages of women’s mags than I have seen women sports stars on men’s.
Maybe I’m too well read in the wrong things huh?
“Where is the overwhelming amount of porn being watched by women which centres around men being slapped, gang banged, gagged, and called whore, slut and bitch”
You used the word overwhelming – (are you being sarcastic/ironic?)
The majority of porn does not focus on violence – It is a niche, it’s like saying the majority of cars are lamborghinis.
” I find it very sad that people have to turn it into a “what about men” post”
In fairness I thought I was reasonably polite and simply asking for help for people that may need it. It’s always a good time and a place to want equality. I also was fairly celebratory of women’s achievement’s.
“Oh and ps women have women only hosptials due to a little thing called pregnancy.”
If pregnancy was the only ailment women’s hospitals and clinics dealt with, then your little thing comment wouldn’t seem so intoned to mean less.
I have no problem with women’s clinics, I’m very happy for the work they do.
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As a midwife i resent you saying that pregnancy is an “ailment”. An ailment would be influenza or a gastro bug but a woman conceiving and growing another human in her body and then birthing that baby is not even in the same league as these things….if it was a man could do it *joking*
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To be more specific: the ailments associated with giving birth.
I.e Pain, discomfort, nausea, bleeding and the many others that you many not resent.
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It seems to me that you must mix in very unhealthy company… I have never experienced the kind of labelling that you speak of – and I am under 30 – although I am not questioning that you have. I don’t think this kind of reprehensible behaviour occurs everywhere in society as you seem to think. The greater percentage of my acquaintance have never made me feel that my gender was a disadvantage or something to deride or degrade.
If this is your experience, I am genuinely sorry – do yourself a favour and seek out people who treat others with dignity and respect!
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I was at a mother’s group at an indoor playcentre and it was a mix of classes.
I wasn’t personally derided – Just my gender (with my being the exception)
It was just lazy thinking on the person talking, and I’m sure like most people of both genders who throw out insults that it was not their true feelings.
That’s why forgiveness is mandatory.
In the same vain In all my worldly travels I have very rarely ever heard a misogynistic comment, and my ears are on high alert.
I’ve heard men say be a darl and make a cuppa, but I’ve also heard women say be a darl and get that of the top shelf for me, so that sort of vanishing gender role assumptive talk is fairly neutral in it’s impact.
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“You have a paid maternity leave.”
Um, that would actually be paid PARENTAL leave, which can be taken by either parent, as long as they’re the primary care-giver.
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From the FAO website
Am I eligible?
You may be eligible for Parental Leave Pay if you:
are the primary carer of a newborn or recently adopted child, usually the mother
So the man can get it if his wife transfers it to him.
But, what we have is a system whereby the man usually always has to go to work and he only gets to stay if she decides it.
Very few women will let their husbands be the primary care giver.
Incidentally – Family benefits are automatically paid to the mother by default, if you have any doubt as to who is considered the most relevant parent.
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“Very few women will let their husbands be the primary care giver.”
What?
Who are these women.
Who would be in a relationship and have kids with someone that controlling.
I don’t know anyone like that.
Surely these decisions are generally made as a couple? Based on things like who has the higher income, who has the stronger desire to stay home or who is recovering from labour.
To suggest most women are control freaks who won’t let men look after their own kids is insulting, untrue and un-researched.
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So are you saying that the woman usually gets pregnant and the typical household have a democratic vote?
So men who would like to stay at home who wives who want to as well are given the “choice”?
Who said control freaks.
Are you saying men make their women stay at home and look after the children because they want to go to work and are controlling their wives?
That’s ” insulting, untrue and un-researched.”
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You were the one who said:
“very few women will *let* their husbands be the primary care giver.”
Sounds pretty control freaky to me
I can only go by the relationships I see, but they generally don’t work on the basis of people not letting the other do stuff.
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“You have specialized health care services and woman only hospitals”
you mean maternity hospitals??
i am sure men will get their own hospital once they start giving birth!
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You mean the one I went to with my wife for her ibs?
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the only women’s hospitals they have where i live are for maternity and gyneacological things. clearly not things that men have to deal with.
there are sometimes very good reasons for the set-up of services. a hospital dedicated to issues just men have may not be very busy. there is limited amount of healthcare dollar it needs to be spent where it’s needed. i bet that hospital you took your wife too wasn’t empty…
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Well, for one; men have specialized reproductive systems too.
Two; men’s reproductive health isn’t less important and receives less funding.
A women who never gives birth could spend many years going to women’s clinics. A man can just go to the doctors.
There’s really no argument – Women’s clinics are a good thing.
Men’s clinics would help on the back of campaigns to ensure more men get earlier check ups.
Unfortunately men still need reminding – Partially because of machismo and partially because of the reality of how women respond to weakness in men.
A man doesn’t want to appear weak so he ignores things he shouldn’t. I would think campaigns to change this culture would be a boon.
Unfortunately men are exposed to more life insurance adverts about protecting their families from their untimely death that would result in financial hardship, than campaigns for improving men’s health.
Commercials are a good indicator of who matters.
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would you like it if a big men’s health hospital was built? would that placate you?
it would be half full at most, but then at least things would be even.
i just find your argument a bit crazy. women have ongoing health issues related to pregnancy and menopause that is why they need those clinics. they are not offering free f*cking pedicures! they are treating life-threatening illnesses. i am sorry men don’t get all those diseases. for that i truly apologise.
have you been to a public hospital lately? people are treated because they need care. the wards are filled with males and females. those dastardly women’s hospitals are there for a reason!!!!!!!
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I think there is nothing I could say to change you mind gathering from your tone (real or imagined) that any improvement in men’s health such as specialized centers and clinics would be good.
Just where have I complained about women’s hospitals? No one is saying they are pedicure clinics.
“those dastardly women’s hospitals are there for a reason!!!!!!!”
Seriously go over my comments and find where I take issue with women’s hospitals, the common theme here is women’s rights are not zero sum when it comes to men, but I comment (quite reasonably) on men’s health care and you make a comment like that.
Guess what Rainbow, men’s rights don;t have to detract from the funding women get.
I haven’t argued that. I’m not about to and frankly your reactions would only just be served if I had, which I hadn’t.
Is my argument really crazy when men die younger?
If it was women, would there be long term campaigns urging women to seek more care?
You have an entire political department to justify their existence.
You’ve made your little cracks and you’ve been less than friendly so I’d rather call this conversation quits and just say best of luck and no hard feelings.
I’m not out to take anything away from women.
I have a beautiful little girl who means the world to me.
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ok maybe i misunderstood you. i thought you sounded resentful of the women’s healthcare.
i totally agree we need better men’s health centres. i commented in a post about this a couple of weeks ago that we need to think of ways that we increase men’s uptake of health services. we need to attract men to health centres and improve the way men manage their own health. for that i agree.
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When I worked in acute care as a nurse, the wards were evenly divided into male and female (medical and surgical), with the big hospitals having “specialty wards ; eg urology (primarily male plumbing) and gynecology etc, with some shared wards (orthopedics and ENT etc). The only extra female area would be maternity, which by necessity is a female one. Breast screen is a specialist clinic because of the equipment. PSAs can be done at a lab, or a rectal exam at your GPs, just like pap smears. Everyone here is related to a male somewhere along the line and we value our men. If you’re like me, you often have to push your men to the doctors.
As for the life insurers, ever Heard of million dollar woman?
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EMILY’S List is an amazing organisation. The work they do in Australia is not recognised enough, and what they do in the United States is inspirational.
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.. i am a woman in mining..
i love that i have the opportunity to work in diverse areas and there is nothing holding me back.. and in that sense i am a feminist..
.. but on the other hand when i have children i want to be able to give up work and raise them.
.. during this time i will give up inputting into the economy and my ability to be in the corporate sector. I am ok with this though however.
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I’m a woman in the army reserve. That male dominated environment of all places has encouraged me to demand the respect of my rank. This translates to my civi job. Where I have the confidence and expectation of being valued for role and effort over gender. I’m so thankful for the hard yards for the women before me. And to know there is a govt that support my future choices of family. That’s why I voted for you Julia.
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