UPDATE 1/7/12: An investigation has revealed that Grant Hackett battled a “heavy reliance” on the controversial sleeping pill Stilnox towards the end of his swimming career
Hackett confirmed that he started using the pills after they were administered by swimming officials during meets, including the Olympics. He admitted that he overused them, adding it was always under supervision of a team doctor or a general practitioner.
“At one point they scared me,” he said. “They’re evil.
From news.com.au:
Hackett further used the pills to help him sleep while suffering the shoulder injury between the Athens and Beijing Games, but his use of them spiralled to a point where he could not remember things.
Hackett denied using Stilnox after his career ended with a silver medal in the 1500m at the Beijing Games.
“My experiences taught me that Stilnox should be taken with caution, but to suggest any reckless involvement on my part would be another shattering blow at this time,” Hackett said.
He strongly encouraged The Sunday Mail to consult with Australian Swimming, and the doctors who provided prescriptions. Hackett moved to Melbourne from the Gold Coast with his wife in 2007.
“I was responsible, but I was not aware of the (potential) side effects.”
Stilnox is widely known to cause strange behaviour, hallucinations, delusions and impaired judgment as well as affect reasoning.
UPDATE 27/06/12:
Former senior members of the Victorian police force have today questioned why Grant Hackett was not arrested on the night he trashed his own home and allegedly assaulted his wife Candice Alley.
The Australian reports:
A former senior policeman who recently left Victoria Police said force policy dictated that Hackett should have been arrested as soon as an allegation of assault was made.
“Forget that it was a celebrity sportsman,” he said. “If that were you or I, we would have been arrested immediately and rightly so.”
Victoria Police yesterday confirmed their investigation into Hackett’s conduct was still under way and would not rule out laying charges against the former Olympian…
Former assistant commissioner Noel Ashby said: “Everyone should be treated the same whoever they may be. If the police had doubts . . . they must intervene immediately and . . . if that means arrest, then that’s what ought to have occurred.
“It might have been the case of some young police that didn’t have the appropriate experiences and skills and were unable to get supervision or didn’t seek supervision . . . the fact that it was Grant Hackett shouldn’t have mattered.”
Earlier this week, former Australian Olympic Champion Grant Hackett appeared in an exclusive interview with 60 Minutes and broke his silence about his violent rampage at his family’s Melbourne apartment in October last year.
He admitted to smashing up the apartment, yelling at his wife and intentionally breaking her most prized possessions. Hackett strenuously denied physically hurting his wife and staunchly refuted allegations that his actions were witnessed by the couple’s children.
Hackett has been married to singer Candice Alley for five years. They have two children together, twins Jagger and Charlize – who Hackett has not been allowed to see for the past 70 days.
He agreed to give the interview in an attempt to draw a line under the incident, ahead of his role as a Channel 9 commentator for the London Olympics next month.
Hackett said it was an argument with his wife that brought his rampage. Graphic photos that emerged in the media a few months ago, showed an overturned grand piano, a door that had be punched in and furniture and wine bottles littered across the floor.
The reason for his actions? Hackett said he wanted to end his marriage.
“I wanted it to end at that point. That’s how I felt, that was my mindset when I was doing it,” he said.
”It gets to a point, it’s like a Coke bottle that keeps getting shaken and shaken and shaken and shaken and if you don’t release it, it just explodes. It wasn’t pretty. I was just at a point where I wanted it to be over.”
‘It was midnight so both of our children were in bed. I threw some picture frames on the ground and that’s when my wife left… I just continued to push over furniture and make a mess… But by no means did I hurt anybody or my children sitting there witnessing, that just didn’t happen.”
Hackett said he would “never hurt his wife”.
But whether that is true is entirely dependent on your definition of ‘hurt’.
Australia’s White Ribbon Campaign, which encourages men to swear an oath never to commit an act of violence against women, defines domestic violence as:
“An abuse of power perpetrated mainly (but not only) by men against women in a relationship or after separation. It occurs when one partner attempts physically or psychologically to dominate and control the other. Domestic violence takes a number of forms. The most commonly acknowledged forms are physical and sexual violence, threats and intimidation, emotional and social abuse and economic deprivation.”
It is hard to imagine how witnessing your partner smashing up furniture, breaking bottles and destroying a door could not be threatening, intimidating or psychologically damaging.
And it’s hard to imagine how two small children could not be deeply affected and traumatised by the sound and sight of their father destroying their own home.
Hackett claims the children didn’t see it but he contradicts himself by also stating his wife removed one of the children mid-rampage and came back to get the other one. So they clearly witnessed something, even if it was the after-affects of the destruction. Not to mention the experience of hearing that kind of violence and being woken in the middle of the night to escape it.
As 60 Minutes aired last night, the community took to Twitter to post their reactions:
The International Violence Against Women Survey has found that in Australia:
- Close to half of all women (40%) have experienced violence since the age of 15;
- Just under one third of women (29%) have experienced physical assault;
- Nearly one in five women (17%) have experienced sexual assault;
- Nearly one in six women (16%) have experienced violence by a current or previous partner in their lifetime;
Hackett wondered out loud on 60 Minutes last night, ”Is my reputation damaged forever after, you know, one mistake? and I’m not blowing that off it was a bad mistake and I take full accountability for that – but I’ll be defined for my actions moving forward and I hope people take the time to judge me on that.”
UPDATE: Editor in Chief of News.com and The Punch David Penberthy joined in the debate today saying:
“The question of whether any actual violence was involved has not been resolved, but cemented as a he said/she said issue. Candice Alley’s lawyers tried to prevent the interview from going ahead, and Alley refused to provide any comment to 60 Minutes.
From what we can understand though, she has stood by her original version of events, which is that Hackett did throw her into a window. Hackett denies it. While we can only take them both on their word, there was one strange moment in Hackett’s interview which suggests that someone needs to sit the bloke down and provide him with a simple definition of what constitutes domestic violence. Hackett’s assertion that he did not threaten Alley in any way does not past muster.
You do not have to hit someone to threaten them. It is hard to imagine a more threatening scenario, for a woman less than half Hackett’s size, than being holed up in an apartment with this drunken and violent man, as he systematically trashes everything they own. His claim that he did not verbally threaten her is also dubious. To his modest credit he did not blame alcohol for his actions, he blamed himself. Yet if he was as drunk as he says he was, how on earth can he reliably remember what he did nor did not say to his wife as the mayhem was unfolding?…
The final point I would make about Hackett and his limited number of backers out there is that they should shelve their muted sense of indignation that these are private matters which do not belong in the public arena. They are not private matters. Domestic violence is not a private issue, it is a public issue, and any attempt to suggest otherwise plays straight into the mindset which for years has seen neighbours remain silent while all hell breaks loose next door, or the cops chuck a u-turn on the front porch when they discover that the screaming coming from inside is “only” a domestic.”
Do you think Grant Hackett’s reputation has been damaged forever? Are you more sympathetic to his position after watching or reading about his response? Do you think our community can deal better with the tragic problem of violence against women?












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478 Comments so far
This interview was aired on the weekend of her 30th Birthday. Even that is pretty insensitive, even if it is just a coincidence.
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I just can’t put trashing an inanimate object in the same room as hurting a living person/animal.
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Why are they two separate actions? And if they are, does that mean someone can take a baseball bat to your car – in front of you – and it wouldn’t be deliberately intimidating?
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Just different levels of criminality/immorality. If i were given a choice between someone taking a baseball bat to my car vs me, I’d pick the car every time.
I’d call this domestic vandalism, not violence. It’s like calling ‘sexual harassment’ rape and in my opinion, considerably diminishes the (bashed) victim’s experiences and exaggerates the perpetrator’s culpability by placing them (at first glance) at the same level as someone who hit their wife.
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Can you really not see the link between the two? If (for example) you owed someone a large sum of money, and hadn’t paid, and they came & took a baseball bat to your car, is that really only about *the car*? Or is there an implied message about what else could be damaged?
(I’m not saying this is what Hackett was doing – just trying to explain why property destruction can be about more than just the property.)
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I can see a link, insofar that I can see a link between shoplifting and armed robbery. They’re both theft, but they’re an entirely different order of magnitude.
Also, your analogy implies some provocation on the part of Alley?
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:: headdesk ::
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Lulu, are you assaulting an inanimate object for the purposes of intimidation?
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Have you ever had a man that was meant to love and protect you and who is MUCH bigger than you get completely out of control and smash up your home? My husband’s father did this when he was a kid and the psychological scars run deep. Hitting the person definitely takes it to the next level, but I think the fear and damage can definitely be ‘in the same room.’
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Rachel, I’m not saying that I think what Hackett did was hunky dory, but I just think that we should keep the condemnation proportionate.
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Since humans developed opposable thumbs and were able to use weapons and throw things, the size of the person doing the destroying isnt really the thing. A wife, smaller than a husband, going nuts smashing things is just as traumatic for the other partner. Trust me, I know.
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But Trog, it wasn’t an inanimate object, it was several, lots in fact. All of them her objects. That is threatening. If your partner is on such a rampage that there is large property damage, it’s fairly logical to assume that you are going to feel frightened and wonder if you will be hit as well.
If you’ve ever been in a room with a man who is throwing things around the room or at your head or shouting and screaming at you or your mother while he is doing those things, you would know how awful it is. You never forget that feeling of being shit scared. It never leaves you. It affects the way you anticipate an argument in your adult life and it affects the way you react to an argument in your adult life.
I think that is hurting a living being.
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My Mum snapped it a couple of times and threw stuff at heads. Once a can of soup at my Dad and another time a golf ball that hit me in the forehead. I remember being super shocked, in pain and amazed at her hand-eye co-ordination all that the same time.
She’s still a magnificent Mum and when I remember those 2 brain snaps in the context of a lifetime of great parenting, well, they just don’t count to me at all. Don’t take this as me saying that Grant was a magnificent husband.
My brothers (big and small) have thrown stuff at me too many times to count.
As far as I’m aware, Grant didn’t do anything physical ‘at’ anyone at all.
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Yeah I come from a family of throwers as well. There is a massive difference though between throwing a can of soup and spending quite a bit of time trashing a home. If you were ‘super shocked’ at a can of soup being thrown can’t you imagine how you would feel if it just kept going on and on?
And isn’t a ‘brain snap’ a momentary loss of temper? That’s my understanding of it. Trashing a home would take a lot more time and energy.
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Agreed, but there is no evidence that Grant’s behaviour was more than a once off event.
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(Deep breath)
This has happened to me. Three years ago my husband lashed out violently after a night’s drinking, terrifying me and my two small children. He hadn’t done it before, but that didn’t make it any less awful. Actually awful is not enough, but will have to do for now.
We immediately separated. While he was not in the house, we agreed to start counselling as I was deeply traumatised and we had two small children to consider.
The counsellor was adamant on two points:
1. My husband must never, EVER, drink around me or the children again. He had demonstrated it was not safe.
2. We had to be clear that this was a serious incident of domestic violence and couldn’t be called anything else.
Do any of these points sound familiar, Grant Hackett?? You MUST realise that what you did was very serious, that you DO have a problem with alcohol and that people WERE hurt. Your remorse and understanding of what you have done doesn’t go nearly far enough.
As for me, intensive counselling both individually and as a couple over two years has helped us to move on. But without my husband’s owning and addressing what he did, this would never have happened.
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I have seen the most gentliest of people have brainsnaps when drunk and I have formed the opinion many many times that their bodies (brains) have had what equates to a chemical reaction to alcohol. Some people just should never ever drink. Noexcuse thou for that behaviour as they are aware that they do react badly to alcohol and its their choice to drink and then have that reaction.
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I don’t understand why D’arcy got kicked off the team for punching a stranger then crucified over some stupid photos he put on facebook – and yet Hackett is being sent off to represent Australia after being involved in DV? What a ridiculous double standard. To me the message channel 9 is sending is that DV isn’t that important.
Lucky I already don’t watch them or I’d have to boycott them.
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D’arcy didn’t just ‘punch a stranger’, he attacked a team mate so severely the guy had a multiple facial fractures and now has titanium plates and screws holding is face together.
He has daily pain and suffering. Our courts are not really into giving out large awards and he was awarded 135,000 dollars such was the level of his suffering. D’arcy didn’t even try to find the money to help the poor guy, he filed for bankruptcy.
I don’t think the cases are comparable.
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Ch 9 and especially the sports department is an old boys club.
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the guy Nick punched was not a stranger. He was also a swimmer who had conviently retired before provoking Nick.
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Yeah, because being provoked is totally justification for smashing someone’s face in.
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Are you seriously trying to justify this? Are you suggesting that the guy retired just so he could provoke D’Arcy so he could get his face smashed in? He smashed a guys face in!!! Hello!! Can you imagine what state our hospital system would be in if we all went around punching the crap out of everyone, breaking their bones. Then on top of that he declared bankruptcy to avoid paying compensation.
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IMHO Neither of them should be representing Australia (whether in the water or on the microphone).
Just saying….
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Although I live the swimming at the Olympics, if Hackett is commentating I will boycott it! It’s the only message Channel 9 will understand, is if viewers turn off! Would love it if others joined me!
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When is the media, and more specifically the public going to stop giving these WANKERS airtime and forgiveness. Ben Cousins, Wayne Carey, Matthew Newton and now Grant Hackett. How many times do we need to see plastered across our TV the behavior of these “naughty little boys” only to see them raised to “legendary status” a few months later.
I am raising two boys within our family … and I hope they will be outstanding young men when they mature.
Why do we need to see the disgusting behavior of these fully grown men who have been given the honor of being “idolised” by the younger generation .. only to see them behave badly and the media allow them to be raised to “hero status” once again?
I will be watching carefully for Hackett’s appearance at the Olympics as a commentator. I believe this is the reason he was given a chance to “tell his side of the story” and “own his actions” …
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Ben Cousins was an addiction to cocaine not DV or did I miss that ?
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Yeah i think it’s unfair to lump Ben Cousin in with the others. He has a drug addiction, but has never been violent. Not a great example to kids, sure, but also not a violent criminal.
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Does it matter ………. MEN BEHAVING BADLY AND BEING RAISED ONCE AGAIN TO “IDOL STATUS”.
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so what? any person that has a career that attracts media attention has to resign from their career (and life in general) when they do anything wrong?
I thought that was what the law was for, the punishment side, without the addition of the lynch mob mentality shown by many here, seeking nothing less than destruction of a public persons life, completely and absolutely.
Why offer a different, much more sever punishment for people in the public eye? Joe the plumper doesnt loose his career and get subjected to public humiliation in addition to what the court imposses after he does wrong.
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Joe the plumber might spend some time in the big house for doing the same thing as any of these media personalities, purely because Joe probably can’t afford the same calibre of legal representation, WB.
And, whether you like it or not, these media personalities do have some influence in shaping the world view of children – they’re role models. If I had children, I certainly wouldn’t be happy for them to see these guys get away with these things!
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Hackett has fallen from grace to join the likes of Newton, the Johns brothers, Ettingshausen etc who appeared to have it all at the height of their careers, but who also behaved terribly to women. This was all with the knowledge and being condoned by the media whilst these men ‘boo-hoo’ to all, telling us all “why” they had to do what they did without taking any responsibility for the horror they have left in their wake. And all without a hint of insight or remorse.
Plenty of marriages fail and they do not include ‘brain snaps’ or smashing up a piano (no doubt his wife’s piano) when theyre pissed, or screaming at their wife with their kids asleep and ‘not hurt’ apparently. If he wanted to leave the marriage, leave. Dont destroy everyone and then only be an embarrassed goose when it hits the public arena. Even now he is acting the victim and still making it all about him.
Hackett is a disgrace and sadly Channel 9 has continued to not only provide a platform for another viiolent mans boo-hoo’s but are rewarding him with a cool job. They might as well give Hackett his own show like they did with Matthew Johns?
Candice, well done to you and keep taking great care of you and your children. The kids will be proud of your strength, just like the rest of Australia.
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yep everythig that Zip just said. Well written!
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Hear hear! Well said, Zip! Our children should not be looking up to these sorry excuses for men. It’s times like these that I’m grateful my children show little or no interest in sport or sporting personalities and instead aspire to be the next Bill Gates or Steve Jobs. Nerds rock my socks!
I feel very sad for Alley and the couple’s children. I hope they are surrounded by love and support and that the media leave them to move on and live in peace.
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What happened with Ettingshausen?
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Have a read of this months Womens Weekly for an appauling article about ET who seems to have dragged his wife to the interview so he can boo-hoo about why he had an affair with his mates wife, why he had blown all their money and why this was all caused by his depression. Its pathetic and again, its all about him. Nevermind the mess his wife and family are in after his actions. He is trying to coerce his wife’s support through the womens media and I remain disguested that AWW enabled him to do so. He is another one who needs to man up, take responsibility for his actions and let his wife walk away to live a good life without him – the best consequence of all.
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Channel 9 actually sacked Matthew Johns after his scandal; it was channel 7 who gave him a job (to compete with 9′s Footy Show).
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Well said!
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Not particularly sticking up for Grant, but he did the interview because Channel 9 are sending him to the Olympics and they want to redeem him somewhat. I doubt he had much of a choice – lose your job or do the interview.
So, should he have refused and lost his Olympics gig? Perhaps, but he has a family to support, and himself. If he had another job and randomly did this interview I would be more harsh.
But this interview was tied to his employment. Considering he has already lost or had cut back other employment, he needed to do this.
It comes up time and time again on MM in these cases that abusers should be sacked from their jobs and destroyed. Grant Hackett unemployed helps no – one. Not his rehabilitiation prospects, not his family, no one.
The content of the interview is one thing, but that he actually did it I support because he needs to work and the interview was tied to his job. You punish people by leaving them with no income things will only get worse for their family.
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I can’t edit, but wanted to add if you are mad this interview took place, then blame channel 9.
Grant has been put in a tough position – lose much needed income (money that will support his family) or do the interview. What choice did he have? Very easy to say ‘walk away’ when it is not you who needs to pay the bills.
It is Channel 9 who are reprehensible here. They have forced someone to air their private family issues in a cynical grab for ratings. If they wanted to keep Grant on and were worried about backlash they could have managed it in a better way than this.
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He does have another job with westpac as well.
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Which was cut back after the incident. He needs the money and had to do the interview.
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What does it matter if he’s got bills to pay? – so does everyone else … he’s had a lot of money re sponsorships etc from a young age – it’s not like he’s trying to exist on just over $200 a week that people on Centrelink payments do. Where’s your bleeding financial heart for people who actually need it???
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Can someone tell me something please. Is the fact that he hasn’t seen his children for 70 days due to a court imposed ban, his wife stopping him or the fact that he moved to Brisbane to hide behind his mothers skirt? How does he expect to see them when he’s on the other side of the country.
Spare me Grant. stop sooking, man up and face what you’ve done. Instead of running and hiding from your rubbish perhaps you should have faced it, learn from it and make amends.
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DVOs usually prevent the accused parent from seeing the child until the court hearing. This is often a couple of months.
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He has come back to Melbourne very frequently, so him being on other side of country is not the issue
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No one will ever know the full story, so this comment isn’t directed at Grant specifically, but here is my feeling about the scenario after watching the interview, if I were to take it at face value:
I disagree with many of the commenters below. I think Grant simply made a horrible mistake that night and deserves a second chance.
In a former life, I could have easily done what Grant Hackett did – and I’m a woman. I could have easily exploded and trashed my home and frightened everyone. It would have been ugly. I would have been embarrassed and remorseful. I would have wanted to do everything within my power to rectify the situation. I would have felt as though I deserved a second chance.
Have some consideration for what might be going on in Grant’s life. His marriage could be terrible. He could be depressed. He could have a problem with alcohol. He could have poor conflict resolution skills. No, of course it’s not an excuse for what he did. But the guy made a mistake – does he deserve to be crucified for it for the rest of his life? No, I don’t believe he does.
I’ve been in an emotionally abusive relationship myself, so I know that just because someone doesn’t hit you doesn’t mean it’s not traumatic. But with my partner, the abuse was passive-aggressive, insidious and relentless. And it happened every day. And my partner wasn’t the slightest bit embarrassed or remorseful. I have a feeling in Grant’s case it was an isolated incident, for which he is truly sorry. He lost it one day and it was ‘rock bottom’: a sign that it was time to get help.
I’m not at all blaming his wife. She chose not to be interviewed, so we didn’t get to hear her side of the story. But I thought it was cruel and unnecessary for her to lock him out of his own apartment for being 45 minutes past his ‘curfew’ on Logies night. And if she truly felt unsafe, she should have arranged for him to sleep somewhere else that night – at a friend’s place or a hotel or something – rather than letting him pass out in the stairwell. I thought that showed a real lack of consideration on her part. As the saying goes, ‘Two wrongs don’t make a right’.
As I said at the top, this is no so much about Grant but about what Grant’s story can teach us. There are two types of abusers – the ones who lose it one time, are truly sorry, want to get help and will never do it again, and ones who don’t understand that what they did is wrong and will continue to do it over and over. I think Grant’s the former.
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I think you have far more eloquently put what I was trying to say in my comments below.
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Thanks.
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Beautifully put, you took the words put of my mouth. Put anyone in a stressfull situation with months of pent up anger drink all day and not do something out of character.
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Why on earth should his wife have been responsible for arranging somewhere else for him to spend the night? He’s a big boy who I’m sure could have done that all by himself. Spending the night in the stairwell smacks of pathetic, attention seeking behaviour designed to paint himself as the victim.
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Because you don’t just lock someone out of their own home when they’re pissed. It feels passive-aggressive to me.
You call up a friend and say, ‘I’m not comfortable having Grant sleep here tonight, as he’s broken his curfew and I know he would have been drinking. Can he stay at your place?’ or you book a hotel room and a cab for them.
He probably slept in the stairwell because he thought any minute he was going to be allowed back in. I don’t think it was a calculated move to play the victim.
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funny, if a man locked his wife out of the house and she resorted to having to sleep in the stairwell without being able to access her kids, everyone on here would be pointing the finger at the evil husband for doing that. The wife would get an AVO granted for that for sure, and the man would not see his kids for months. Seeing a pattern here anyone?
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If my drinking and partying was causing my husband to have to tell me what time I need to be home so he doesnt have to put up with me drunk and abusive i sure as hell would be expecting to sleep in the stairwell.
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Yes, that’s what I’m trying to say. It’s a double standard.
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see below under one of Mia’s comments, there is a huge double standard.
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He’s a grown man. He is old enough to know the boundaries (curfews, ability to find somewhere to sleep, acceptable behaviour).
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He was partying in a hotel!! Noone had to ring up anyone and book him a hotel. All he had to do was walk into reception and get a room.
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Er No! Why was it his wife’s responsibility to arrange for a safe place for him to sleep and why was it she who had to show consideration for him? You say you are not blaming his wife, then spend the rest of the paragraph telling us how she ought to have behaved toward this drunken yobbo.
My guess is that if he had a curfew, they had negotiated his limits before the event. Now I do not need to negotiate with my husband before events about how he is going to behave, so I have to disagree with you, I do not think it is an isolated incident. There is no way that appearing on TV to discuss these issues, if you are the perpetrator of violence towards anyone, “helps”, it does not bring “closure” it does not help “healing”.
It is just another kick in the guts for the victims, so far as I am concerned.
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Why does she have to show consideration for him? Because, as I said above, two wrong don’t make a right. Stooping to the other person’s level isn’t the way to go.
If you don’t think it’s an isolated incident then I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.
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I would imagine if he had to have a curfew that he does indeed have a problem with alcohol and this coming home pissed or not at all has been happening for a while if they are having to agree on what time he needs to be home. Grow up grant you’ve got two kids.
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I would have to agree with the sentiments posted above. Leave the judgement of Grant to the Courts. No one should pass any judgement unless both sides of the story are put forward (and preferably testified).
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Yes, this is presumptuous, but given the extent of the trashing and the fact he had a curfew, I think it’d be fair to assume this was not a one off. If my husband was a bad drunk, I’d lock him out too. If he’s big enough to father kids, he’s big enough to find another bed for himself.
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Candice is responsible for protecting her children (as he should be also but clearly wasn’t in the right frame of mind as he was drunk). The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour. She did the right thing. Anyone who believes that he has a legitimate sob story and that he is truly remorseful (think about it…why is he being prevented from seeing his kids??) might need some therapy themselves?
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Hmmmm…
I didnt see the 60 Mins episode last night. Didnt want to watch someone try to justify apalling behaviour, which is so often the case these days. Why do we keep giving these poorly behaved individuals a public forum to attempt to redeem themselves? Why does the media get to ‘choose’ which one of these individuals are worthy of redemption and which need a public lynching?? Does the media support those who still have ‘the goods’ to earn the bucks for them? When will those in the media realise that, now more than ever, society is more savvy to their manipulative ways. We are able to see through their grubby attempts at manipulate our feelings/opinions on given topics.
Grant Hackett should step down from his duties at the Olympics and stay to focus on getting himself right and re-engaging with his family. Otherwise that 70 day ‘exile’ from his children may turn into a lifetime. And THAT would be the real tragedy. Im sure Channel 9 wont be there then to pat you on the shoulder and make it all better. Some things in this life are more important than money and fame. Pity Grant cant see that!
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The guy is clearly a hot head. He is paying for it dearly however. To be excluded from seeing kids in months, along with the damage to his career. I dont think he needs reminding of the stupidity of his actions.
While this is at the very severe end of the ‘brain snap throw a plate across the room’ scenario, we need to be careful that we dont turn any suggestion of a partner momentarily ‘losing it’ into a lifetime witch hunt. Nobody did get hurt, and he is paying very dearly indeed.
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TWB, I agree, but he is still the one playing it in public by doing the interview.
The more recent reports (although i wouldnt rely on it as evidence per se) were that Alley wanted the ‘reminding’ stopped via lawyers and wanted the interview to be cancelled.
He is the one playing this for the public and hoping for forgiveness. If he wanted it dead and buried, going on 60 minutes probably wasnt the best decision.
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Agree cait, smacks more of ch 9 seeing a ratings opportunity and damage control ahead of the olympics. Grant would have done better to offer a unconditional apology to everyone, and then hold dignified silence.
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It’s not uncommon in family breakups for women to push men to the point where they do something this dumb arse stupid. Yes, DV is deplorable. So is breaking a trust thing like coming home 45 minutes after you said you would….when you have been drinking.
No one knows what has gone on in this marriage, apart from an adult sized tanty. I think it’s pretty rough that Hackett hasn’t even seen his children. Not even in the company of their grandparents in a public place. I don’t believe his inability to see the children is court ordered
It could be a case of maternal gate keeping and positioning leading up to a family court case. People say “of course their must be more going on….he’s not allowed to see his own kids”. And then there are the leaked photos. Looks like someone was trying to smash someone else’s prize possession – a career.
Of course, I was wrong about Matthew Newton. So I’m ready to stand corrected.
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He moved to Queensland to live with his parents. How does he expect to see his kids from there? Should their mother fly them up to him, putting herself at risk of further abuse, because studies have shown that violence and abuse increase at and around the time of separation? Or do you think maybe, just maybe, that he should have hung around and jumped through every hoop possible to be able to see his kids? I know what I would have done, but then again I would never have systematically smashed my partner’s most prized possessions, let alone contemplated doing it when my partner and kids were in the house.
I fully understand why Ms Alley released the photos. You obviously don’t believe Hackett has done anything wrong even with the evidence. What hope would she have had of not having the public turn against her for ‘hurting’ a national ‘hero’ (and I use that word very loosely) by ending the marriage? Think about the girl at the centre of the Mathew Johns incident.
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God what an idiot. I get people can do crazy uncontrollable things when emotionally charged but why down play it.
Own your emotional melt down, own that it is unacceptable and crazy behaviour and own that it is shameful and a disgrace.
People what have respected him more if he just said I am ashamed and embarrassed by my behaviour and I am working on ways to control my anger and become a better person.
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I thought he called himself “a dickhead” for what he did?
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but he is also trying to excuse it. No excuses just a sorry is what was needed.
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Um, Amandarose, were we watching the same interview? I thought he DID do and say all those things…
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Ahhh, I didn’t hear the word sorry either and he didn’t seem the least bit remorseful or ashamed of his actions. it was more about justiifying what he did.
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I couldn’t disagree more.
I DEFINITELY felt as though he was remorseful. Funny how two people can watch the same thing yet have completely different opinions about it.
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I feel it is irresponsible of Channel 9 given that this matter if before the family court. Irrespective of whether he is believable or not then this does not help the court process and hopefully Candice will be strong enough and the better parent/ex to not feel like she has to reply via a rival network.
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She sold her side of the story to a New Idea/woman’s day type magazine just after they split. As far as I’m concerned, this interview was his right to reply. Everything that’s come out up until Grants interview, was from his wife’s camp.
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having just watched the interview this morning I was pleased to see i wasn’t the only one who noted that Grant Hackett did not say ‘sorry’ to his family, children or his estranged wife. He seemed more concerned with his reputation and being embarrased by the whole episode. he seemed to be a young man completely in denial at the havoc and emotional damage he has caused his children and family. i am not sure why this interview didn’t come across as sincere – but I do have a gut feeling that he has some serious demons, be they alcohol, drugs or anger, to deal with. Sincerely hope that Candice and her children manage to move on and find happiness and peace.
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The whole thing is quite shocking and very sad. We are not privy to all the facts, so I don’t think it’s fair for any of us to make judgements.
The only thing we should take from this is the opportunity to put domestic violence, in any form that it takes, in the spotlight once again. The more open we are, the more we talk about how unacceptable it is, then that can only be a good thing.
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Very well said Barb.
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Whatever the circumstance or whatever candyce said or did, NEVER deserves that Kim of trauma and abuse- he admitted to deliberately destroying her prized possessions which indicates he specifically wanted to harm her in an indirect way- no so indirect anyway if you ask me. What he did should not be use as “a little hiccup” by ch9 to save his career and cover their own because their perfect sportsman was not, as it turns out, wholesome and drama free. I was particularly disgusted that his own parents tried to palm this off aswell. His wife did the correct thing, she state out of this “resurrection” of grant Hacketts media image, and has her priorities correct- her children and their well being is obviously paramount. And if Hackett gave one iota about seeing his children he would be seeking help and rehabilitation of his issues privately in an attempt to repair his relationship with them- not getting on tv and somehow through all the evidence of what he did, still attempting to deflect the blame onto her and calling her the bad guy- shame on you current affair, that interview made my skin crawl.
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I was just thinking about how much like A Current Affair that 60 Minutes has become. You calling it that was likely a Freudian Slip. Quality journalism – or journalism at all – doesn’t exist anywhere but ABC and SBS now on Australian television, and even that can be hit and miss…
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I cannot agree more. We stopped watching a few weeks ago after seeing the video of a needle going into the heart of a foetus (which was so unecessary in telling the story). Not only are they morphing into a Sunday night version of a current affair, but they’re sending journalists who cannot possibly be impartial (in this case journo who adopted when he and his wife were unable to conceive).
I’m all for cross promotion for other shows on the network, but this interview with Grant Hackett (which I didn’t and won’t watch), was simply an effort to salvage his tattered reputation so they could send him to London as planned without negative feedback from the public.
It’s disappointing, I grew up watching Jana Wendt and co, it was seen as true investigative journalism, not the trash it is today.
Thank god we still have the ABC!
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It upsets me that the trashmedia like ACA, T/T, Sunday Night and now 60 Minutes is taken as journalism by so many Australians.
The great dumbing down of our nation is in full swing.
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Absolutely right.
Standards are slipping more and more each day.
It seems that only SBS and ABC can provide a decent (unbiased) standard of journalism in news and current affairs.
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Couldn’t agree more. It’s sad how stupid the media think we are.
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I think it’s sad how stupid many of us must be.
I hired the Frontline Series on DVD recently – a send up of ACA and T/T and how they create the stories, the ridiculous advertorials and fill the nightly shows with fictional fluff.
It was almost a factual documentary. Haha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frontline_(Australian_TV_series)
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I certainly didn’t get a sense of remorse from him while watching it. His insistence that she wasn’t hurt puzzled me. Physically, he asserts he didn’t hurt her. But mentally? Gee whiz.
Obviously there was a lot more that wasn’t said – you don’t get to a point where you want the marriage to end without months or years of buildup. But he had a great opportunity to apologise (to the public??), and he didn’t.
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This interview was a channel 9 PR exercise to ensure Grant comes up smelling like well roses for the Olympics.
DV is DV you have a lot to learn in life Mr Hackett.
A goose just doesn’t cut it. It appeared like he was more embarressed then ashamed of his actions very different things.
He clearly has an issue with alcohol but is in a wee bit of denial.
Lets hope for his family’s sake he is honest with himself and gets the help he needs so his kids don’t grow up fearful.
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I think anyone who is seriously mentally ill at a point is able to cause the damage he did. That could be anyone.
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There is a difference between bad and mad?
Pardon the expression (from someone who once went mad)
Not many people with a mental illness smash up a room and terrorize their family.
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Mental illness is not an excuse for violence. Many people have a mental illness and do not commit acts of violence.
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Actually statistically mentally ill people are more likely to be victims of violence than perpetrators. I think we need to be careful how we label people as ‘mentally ill’.
Grant Hackett seems like he’s just a dickhead with poor coping skills. Most of the violence in our community is due to people with no other coping skills, alcohol, drugs etc. Not due to mental illness.
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I’ve been thinking a lot about this story. And thinking about the young Geelong player who has been banned for the year for an alleged assault of a woman. I am so pleased that the AFL and the club have taken a hard line, because it sends a really important to players and fans, that violence against women is absolutely unacceptable.
But i’m also thinking about at what point can a person be forgiven for an incident? Not necessarily a celebrity or sportsperson, but anyone who makes a violent, horrible mistake. When do we forgive? Do we ever forgive? Is it a matter of degrees? For example, do we eventually forgive Grant Hackett, because he didn’t actually physically assault anyone, but we don’t forgive Matthew Newtown because he did?
I don’t have the answers to this, but it’s something I’ve been wondering about recently and this article reminded me of it.
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I think there is a poiint where we should forgive, however first the person needs to be authentic and honest with themselves.
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I think we could forgive with time if people are authentic and honest with themselves.
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I’ve been thinking about it too Girl. I think the problem is that the notion of celebrity deludes us into thinking it is our place to forgive or not to forgive when it really isn’t. The only people who have the right to forgive him are the people involved and, not matter how many interviews he gives, we are not involved. We are spectators. I don’t want to defend him. I don’t want to condemn him. I just hope he and his wife, family and friends get the help they need to move on and have a happy life.
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exactly, Caro
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Wow, that’s such a good point. We’re made to feel as if we have a say, but of course we don’t. Only the people who are hurt by that person’s actions can forgive or not.
I guess maybe I am talking about public figures and at what point do we let someone move on. I’m awful for this, particularly with sportsmen. I still laothe Wayne Carey for what he did to his girlfriend and I can’t look at Stephen Milne without my hackles raising, but surely if they’ve ‘done their time’, I should let it go? Not saying, the women they hurt should, but surely people should be allowed to redeem themselves in the public eye? Tough stuff.
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Wow- I am going to feel so good about being an Australian for the London Olympics, we are sending violent boofheads aplenty over there, be it in the commentators chair or in the pool. Both Hackett and Nick Darcy revolt and repel me, and in answer to Hackett’s question- Yes I will judge you for what you did because it reveals you to be an ar__hole and people will always have that impression of you now because what you did is not something a good man with his ego in check would ever do. The spirit of the Olympics is tarnished to me because the Olympic committee has shown categorically by including Darcy that they put winning above any moral considerations.
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I think Nick D’Arcy has served his time. He missed out on the Olympics last time, I think he deserves a second chance. He got into a fight, yes it was stupid, but it is something that happens quite regurlarly in our society and not many people have to explain themselves to their boss or to anyone where their career is concerned. To be honest most people get away with it, so I think he has paid the price for what he did and deserves to go to the olympics.
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the difference with Nick D’Arcy and regular people is that most blokes in that situation would have served time for what he did to Simon Cowley. He didn’t. Then he declared himself bankrupt so he didn’t have to pay the civil penalty the court imposed. So not only did he do the wrong thing, he refused to acknowledge so and deliberately avoided taking moral or financial responsibility.
BIG difference!
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Agreed with the above.
Nick D’Arcy pretty much got off scot free over the Simon Cowley fight, He took the cowards way out, by declaring bankruptcy and he doesn’t seem in teh least bit remorseful.
If he had any decency, He’d donate a percentage of any future earnings to Cowley until the debt is paid.
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Seems Grant’s position is one of excusing himself – and he expects everyone else to do the same. Minimalising and trivialising what happened benefits no-one. If he was sincere and admitted the full extent of the damage he has caused he would be instead talking about how he will ensure he becomes the sort of person who never does this again.
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He trashed the house because he wanted his marriage to end?
Gutless. Completely gutless. My opinion of him has sunk even lower – if that’s possible. Have the balls to stand up and end it if you want to, but making her a terrifed victim who needs to leave is just pathetic.
He is pathetic.
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He didn’t say he did it because he wanted it to end. He said he snapped and when asked by Tara Brown if he wanted out of his marriage he then said, yes, I guess I wanted out at that stage.
Watching the interview last night I just knew this would be on MM today to cause a controversy and get more clicks.
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I was also surprised that he denied having a problem with alcohol. I know we don’t know the full story but surely if you get so drunk that you do that kind of damage to your own place then that would suggest you have a problem with it???
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Can we really jump to the conclusion that Grant Hackett has an alcohol problem from this? Surely ALL factors have to be taken into account.
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Hmmm Barb you know what – he was pretty messy at a few events and on camera. I’d be going with the yes…
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I’m really torn by this… I just don’t think the interview was necessary. And no, he may not have physically hurt his wife – but ‘hurt’ doesn’t just have to mean physically…
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I can’t begin to tell you how much this interview gave the the sh!ts. And if someone isn’t allowed to see their children for 70 days there is usually a damn good reason. Think the thing that got up my nose the most was him denying he had a problem with alcohol. What a crock.
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That was the red flag for me too. There is a lot more to this story if he isn’t even allowed to speak to his kids. I feel so much for the kids they must be very confused.
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Perhaps it also has something to do with the fact that Candice comes from one of the richest families in Melbourne…
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I can’t understand what you’re possibly suggesting, I’m quite sure he can afford good lawyers too.
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Looks like the Annon comment above you Neola, is suggesting some kind of conspiracy that possibly Grant is being kept from his kids because Candice’s family has paid off the right people.
However that is just so ridiculous, it’s not even worth responding to, beyond this point.
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Clearly you don’t know anyone who has a case before the family courts. I know of two families where the fathers have not seen their children for nearly 12 months because both mothers know how to manipulate the courts. Therevis a massive backlog of cases and all a woman has to do is be sick on the court day and the case gets pushed back for another 2 months when there is a free spot.
I know of a case where the mother is the violent one but the father is not allowed to see the kids for going on a year until it comes to court because she puts up delay after delay.
I am continually amazed at comments like yours that take to pass judgement on people for stuff you know nothing about.
Walk a mile people, until then keep baseless comments and thoughts to yourself.
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Ahh actually Nicky – I’m trying ot find a nice way to say stick it up your *&^&%. We’ve actually had 14 years in the Family Law Court with a very nasty and violent ex. Two sides, indeed Nicky.
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Haven, you actually don’t know what you’re talking about. I was not able to see my son for 7 months just waiting for a wrongful AVO to be eventually dismissed. I can assure you that there are plenty of mothers out there who abuse the use of DAVO’s to achieve what they think is leverage for their position in the family courts. It is very distressing to be kept from seeing your children, especially when you have done nothing wrong. Avo’s do take months to be heard, the police and court give the benefit of the doubt to the mother.
Sounds like you have been a victim of DV? I am sorry to hear that, I can’t imagine what that would be like.
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Personally i think that Channel 9 pushed this interview so that they would feel 100% better about themselves that he is going to be representing them by commentating at the Olympic Games…..
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Agreed. Channel 9 need to make a decision (the right decision) and cut their losses now.
Hackett disgusts me.
Channel 9…….are you reading this??
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Evidence of his behaviour is out there permanently now. You simply can’t forget what happened. I think Candice is very brave standing her ground and getting out. I hope that she doesn’t go back. I’ve made the mistake of going back constantly because I was convinced to do so by my husband. I only have myself to blame and wish that I had the strength to leave.
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I don’t understand why Uncle Toby’s still pay Grant to represent them???
I for one intend boycotting ALL Uncle Toby’s products until they stop supporting domestic violence against women and children.
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I think this is more complicated than some people are acknowledging. Perhaps he is neither victim or villain?
Regardless of what happened between them that night the fact is that Grant lost it and trashed the apartment. As he acknowledged, he is not a small guy and this was undoubtedly intimidating and probably quite terrifying. I thought that despite Grant’s words he didn’t really empathise with how this behaviour would have seemed from Candice’s perspective. His choice of words reflected his position in the midst of what is obviously a very bitter divorce. The fact he called himself a “goose” seemed to indicate he didn’t get just how serious it was? Or perhaps he was just so hurt and frustrated and angry that he didn’t care if Candice felt hurt and frustrated and angry. In the interview it seemed he was more interested in recovering his reputation than seeking his wife’s forgiveness. He took responsibility for the “mistake” but didn’t seem to fully appreciate the gravity of the behaviour itself.
However, we all have breaking points and I do think we need to approach the whole situation with some compassion – for both parties. We don’t know what led to this point. We don’t know what was thought or said or done. We are filling in a lot of gaps. We don’t know if Grant was locked out because of fear or petulance. We don’t know if he was/is a good father and was a good husband to this point. We don’t know (despite what he claims) whether he threatened or was previously violent. We just don’t know.
Relationship breakdowns are really complicated and access to one interview does not mean we understand this one. I don’t think a public lynching serves anyone’s interests.
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I agree, well said.
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Exactly. I totally agree
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But regardless of our breaking points we still have the choice to behave violently or to walk away. He chose the former. This was no lack of control. If it were then it wouldn’t have been only Ms Alley’s possessions that he targeted.
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I get your point Carz but looking at the apartment, I think it’s difficult to conclude that was the result of someone who was “in control” regardless of whether the violence was aimed at possessions or people.
I agree that there was a choice of how to respond. I don’t agree with the behaviour. But I just think we all have breaking points. We don’t know what happened to make him reach his.
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Marriage breakdowns are incredibly stressful and if that stress gets too much people can react in ways that they normally do not. We don’t know the full story here!
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Extremely well said.
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I don’t think we can judge him for calling himself a “goose”. That term is probably more a function of being on prime time TV and not wanting to swear than actually choosing a word that “represents” your behaviour. I’m sure he would rather have said f-wit or d-head … but can’t. It’s hard to find a commercial TV appropriate word that sums up that mess.
I’m not defending Grant Hackett at all – just pointing that out.
I wonder how his wife is able to deny access – is there a court order in place? If not, I think his lawyers should get involved because that just seems unreasonable for the children.
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I have had some MEGA arguments with my husband where I’ve really felt like killing him. And I’m pretty sure he’s felt the same way about me. But we’ve never trashed the house. And we would never want to scare our kids no matter how furious we were. He threw a great big tantrum in front of his kids.
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I watched this last night and a few things came up for me:
1. Grant Hackett is kidding himself if he thinks he doesn’t have a problem with alcohol. You don’t have to be drunk all the time or even often to have a problem with it. Some people just react really badly to alcohol and shouldn’t drink, for the sake of their own health and well being. Thinking Grant Hackett is one of those people. (hello, Brendan Fevola!?)
2. There are two sides to every story. We don’t know these people personally. We don’t know what they are like when they’re out of the spotlight. Including Candice Alley. That is NOT an excuse for domestic violence but I think we’re being very quick to judge without knowing the full story.
3. Last night’s interview was a PR exercise. Hackett should stay home from London and get his life sorted out. The fact Nick D’Arcy is even allowed into the UK is beyond me.
4. He hasn’t been allowed to see his kids. His ex has made allegations and an order is in place. We dont know the truth of that order, if what she has alleged is correct. And it’s not hard to physically prevent him from seeing the kids. No matter what, that must be hard for him and the kids. That was a point I DID feel bad for him.
5. What do we know about Candice Alley? She had one hit song once. Is she professionally jealous of his success? Has that caused issues for them? Why does she live in the same building as her parents? Are her parents over-involved? Has THAT caused problems? I don’t know – but the point is we dont even have half the picture here. She may not be an angel. (STILL not an excuse for domestic violence).
All in all, I thought it was largely a pretty awkward interview that doesn’t serve the situation well and I’m not sure it served Grant Hackett well either.
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I am so sad and surprised that Candice’s actions even come into this. People keep saying ‘there’s no excuse for what he did’ but then suggesting there may have been mitigating circumstances and that ‘we should not judge’.
So let’s just judge the facts: Grant Hackett went on a violent rampage and trashed his own house while his wife and children were present.
He doesn’t deny that. He admits it and we have seen the photographic evidence. So this is not a case of he said/she said.
I judge – yes I JUDGE – that what he did was shitty and violent and appalling. And anyone on the receiving end of that kind of behaviour needs to know there is a name for it and it is domestic violence.
Our laws now reflect this.
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Mia,
Grant’s actions are not excusable. I am not and would not do that. But I do think there is always two sides to EVERY story. We’ve got his. He didn’t deny his behaviour although I am still not sure he really GETS the stupidity of it. But it was a once off and while his actions are indefensible, they probably didn’t come from nowhere. There has to be a back story. Context IS important and I dont think we have that.
I think asking why/how a person gets to the point of violence is valid. People don’t just do stuff like that. He is 110% responsible for what he did. There is NO excuse from it. But it doesn’t happen for no reason. The reasons might all be his. But there has to be more to this.
One of the glaring things of this interview was that it was clear there was plenty he was NOT saying. Legal reasons? Doesn’t want to slag her off publicly? Nothing to say other than “I behaved badly”? Could be any of the above. But we don’t have a full picture here and none of us are perfect. We’ve all done stupid things in our lives that we’re not proud of. Should we be judged exclusively on those? Sometimes, yes. Sometimes no. I just think it’s important to ask WHY sometimes.
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The context of it is unimportant There could have been anything going on, that’s obvious – but the point is that – this doesn’t matter! Why is it our business to know ‘the context’? He did it, he went on air to ‘explain’ it, so it’s public. We can make a call on that which we have seen, and call it DV if we see fit. I don’t give a fig about the context!
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We’ll have to agree to disagree then, Jimmy’s Girl. I think context in journalism is very important. Nothing in life is black and white unfortunately. I’m NOT excusing him, and th context may be that he’s simply a douche. But I do think in life, with humans, sometimes it’s important to know the big picture before we crucify people for one (known) mistake.
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” I think asking why/how a person gets to the point of violence is valid. People don’t just do stuff like that.”
As someone that grew up with an alcoholic father, some people do just do stuff like that. Without a reason. I saw it many, many, many times.
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your father was violent because he was drunk. An alcoholic. There’s your reason.
Unfortunately, alcohol is reason enough for some people. It’s shit.
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I think it’s rubbish to say that ‘People don’t just do stuff like that”. Yes they do! Some people are angry people who will find any excuse to blame something for what’s wrong in their world and then lash out. Alcohol makes it worse. I don’t know the circumstances here but there actually doesn’t have to be a reason behind it, he might just be a violent person.
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so what ‘reasons’ do pedophiles have, for their behaviour? Must we know this in order to give the situation context?
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Mia,
Of course we should question Candice’s actions.
I’ve had a partner who, over the course of 6 years, broke everything that I owned prior to our marriage. This would usually entail me doing something wrong (like not stacking the dishes properly), where I’d be called a “fuckwit”, or “useless”, then every item that I had owned prior to the marriage would be thrown on the floor and smashed. Did it matter that I had a collection of Waterford Crystal? No, that was dropped on the floor in front of me.
I was abused for not earning enough money, and for showing my kidws compassion. I’d get slapped on the back of the head while eating, or have things thrown at me. The last act was to have a tenderising hammer thrown at me while I was on the phone to my mother. Apparently jealousy was the reason as I was thought to be talking to my ex. That cause me to sanp and retaliate, at which time the cops came and carted me off to a mental health facility. When I got out of hospital I went home to find an empty house, as everything that I had owned prior had been thrown out or broken. The bank account had been cleaned out completely and I had no money and no job. I was still sick and suffered real panic attacks so couldn’t leqave the house.
While I was sick and unable to work I got behind on the mortgage so lost the house that I bought before the marriage.
Yet this wasn’t the worst of it. The worst bit was being denied any time with my kids. This denial was justified because of my mental illness that had been caused by years of abuse and being put down.
Yet I could find no-one to help. Centrelink insisted that I visit their office to lodge a claim, but because of panic attacks I would totally freak out if I left home. The only person who helped my was my local MP after I wrote a sad and sorry email. He called me within an hour and arranged for centreling to come and help me and get me the appropriate medical care.
Yet no-one, ever questioned my wife’s actions. It was ok for her to get drunk and hit me. It was ok for her to call for help when I was trying to get her into the car when she was so pissed she could barely stand, so the 4 boofheads who came to help were quite happy to belt the crap out of me then “rescue” her, to the point where she didn’t come home for nearly 2 days.
Women generally discount the amount and frequency of spycolocical abuse perpetrated by women, society in general does. I was ignored by the police and vilified for snapping and pushing her against the stove, no-one cared that it took six fucking years of abuse to get to that point. All anyone sees is me doing something wrong to her.
It’s about time women reqalised that what they call nagging is something quite different.
Yet, it’s not something that lasts, we get over it. We must get over it or we stay locked inside for the rest of our lives. So I’m not uncaring when it comes to what happened to Candice, but the fact remains that no-one knows what happened between this man and woman over the last few years. People don’t suddenly snap without something else happening. So yes, if you’re going to bag out Him, then investigate it properly and not judge him on the actions of one night. I can assure you the insidious abuse that is perpetrated by women on men is very, very common.
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Why are women making excuses for domestic violence. There is no excuse! There never will be. I’t doesn’t matter what has happened before in a relationship, you can always hold your head up high and walk away. Resorting to violence of any form is cowardly and disgusting.
If women can’t back each other up on this what chance do we have!
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What about the psychological abuse being perpetrated by women?
Why is that never mentioned?
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Lou B, Anon has shared his story, which if it was a woman’s would be garnering sympathy by the bucketload, and you post this?? Are you serious?? I’d quite happily back the bloke in this situation, as I would if it was a male doing it to a female. Sort yourself out, Lou.
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Anon, thank you for sharing your story. I have to say – I feel ashamed of myself. Reading your story, I had to blink twice when I got to the bit where you mentioned your wife.
I assumed straight from the start that you were female and the victim. The possibility that you were a man didn’t even cross my mind – and for that, and other unrealised prejudices that I have – I apologise.
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Thankyou, but there’s no need to apologise. We all have prejudices and by the very nature of a prejudice, it’s born through ignorance or lack of understanding. So, in the same way that women made the issue of DV important I feel that I must make this issue known. it’s not that men are subject to violence ( it does happen, my brother’s story is a cracker, he ended up with a fractured scull), but we are subject to psychological abuse from women. It leads to men not feeling good about themselves and confusion amongst boys about how to be a man. Activities that blow off a young man’s energy and testosterone are criticized, and young men are ridiculed about being “testosterone fueled”
Boys score lower in school and University, and then there’s the big one.
We die younger.
The last census showed that 104% of babies born are male, yet by the age of about 75 only 69% are male. We die of diseases that aren’t considered “sexy” Just as many men die from prostate cancer as women die from breast cancer, but there is no screening program for men. I can only think that men’s diseases such as prostate cancer are considered “dirty” and no-one wants to talk about an old blokes balls. Just look at the response on Mamamia to Sophie Monk doing a bit of a silly ad for men’s hygene products. It was spoken of with disgust.
I’m not blaming women, it’s a societal problem where men and women are treating each other like shit and it has to stop. The other response that I hear from women is the old chestnut “but women were downtrodden for centuries”, so that makes it ok to browbeat men now? I don’t think so.
This identity problem that men are developing is a definite problem and will only get worse unless men cease to be hammered about everything they do.
I’m yet to work out a sensible and equitable solution where both men and women are equal in law and society, I’m working on it but men’s issues are not on anyone’s radar at the moment. I would rather think of it as a gender problem where men and women must come together for a solution.
So if I appear to be anti women, just remember that I’m not, I’m pro human. Gender shouldn’t be an issue.
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Mia, what he admitted to was getting into a heated argument with Candice and throwing a couple of picture frames on the ground (still not ok or decent behavior, but not a rampage) . He said it was after candice and both kids had left that he trashed the apartment. I think you are being very selective about the quotes/facts you are using.
Your comment is not a fair representation of what was said during the 60 minutes interview.
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You’ve made me think about my original post Mia (which kicked off this thread). To be clear I judge the act as violent and deplorable and domestic violence just as you do. I don’t think there is any excuse which is why I thought his lack of emphathy was concerning. I could see regret but not a genuine apology to Candice and his kids. In no way does this mean I think Candice is responsible for what he did.
But I hesitate to conclude that he is a shitty and deplorable and violent person altogether because of this. I think some of the comments tend in this direction, which screams “lynch mob” to me and which I find concerning.
I think a nuanced discussion of domestic violence does require us to ask “why?” so that we can target those who commit acts of violence. I think it does prompt us to recognise that these acts do not exist in a vacuum, that people are influenced and affected by many factors before they trash their apartment as Grant did that night. I don’t think this is in ANY way, shape or form “blaming the victim” but am curious what others think?
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“there may have been mitigating circumstances”
e.g. Stilnox?. Here’s Wikipedia on Stilnox (= zolpidem):
“the Sydney Morning Herald in Australia in 2007 reported a man who fell 30 meters to his death from a high-rise unit balcony may have been sleepwalking under the influence of Stilnox. The coverage prompted over 40 readers to contact the newspaper with their own accounts of Stilnox-related automatism, and as of March 2007, the drug was under review by the Adverse Drug Reactions Advisory Committee.[24]
In February 2008, the Australian Therapeutic Goods Administration attached a Black Box Warning to zolpidem, stating, that “Zolpidem may be associated with potentially dangerous complex sleep-related behaviours that may include sleep walking, sleep driving, and other bizarre behaviours. Zolpidem is not to be taken with alcohol. Caution is needed with other CNS depressant drugs. Limit use to four weeks maximum under close medical supervision.”[25] This report received widespread media coverage[26] after the death of Australian student Mairead Costigan, who fell 20 m from the Sydney Harbour Bridge while under the influence of Stilnox.[27]
Hackett’s violence is awful, but his “overuse” of Stilnox might be a contributory factor. Having read this, I for one will never ever take Stilnox, so the publicity has had an effect on me.
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5. What do we know about Candice Alley? She had one hit song once. Is she professionally jealous of his success? Has that caused issues for them? Why does she live in the same building as her parents? Are her parents over-involved? Has THAT caused problems? I don’t know – but the point is we dont even have half the picture here. She may not be an angel. (STILL not an excuse for domestic violence).
Candice Alley, from my experiences is a sweet and kind hearted individual, who is generous of her time, I don’t know her intimately but from what I do know, I highly doubt any of this can be attributed to her being jealous of his success.
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To give Hackett something, I am pretty sure he was told he had to do this interview to keep his job at Ch9. Whether he was better to say nothing and lose his (probably high paying) job or keep the job, we can’t know.
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Keirin Perkins was a bigger sporting champion than Hackett. He wanted to end his marriage too. Except he did it quietly and with dignity.
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or he could be seen at various locations and hotels around QLD with a woman who isn’t his wife….
either way, right?
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Do you mean to suggest this IS what Keiren Perkins did, or are you saying that IF he did “go out in public with a woman who is not his wife” it is equally as bad as what Grant Hackett did?
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KP was seen many times around the Gold Coast with a woman who was not his wife, in situations that were not platonic or professional. That’s not a big secret.
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Oh right, well, that is very disappointing news. Terrible, hurtful and heartbreaking behaviour if true, but not violent.
I mean, what is “known” as a badly kept secret about his infidelity is not the same as what Hackett did. I had no idea about Perkins, and I daresay the majority of people didn’t know, but the public way they have gone about their separation seems quiet and dignified (from someone not in the know about this said infidelity).
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What annoyed me was how he kept repeating the fact that he never “hurt” his wife. Does he not take any consideration for the emotional hurt you would experience if you witnessed your partner/husband/wife trashing your home in a fit of rage.
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I agree, Lets ask Candice if she doesnt feel hurt…
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I really feel for anyone in the public spotlight who allegedly makes a mistake. The best of us can fall from grace – but some are treated as criminals by the media and the public before they are even convicted of a crime – simply because of profile. Andy Muirhead from the ABC is a prime example of someone who has been hung out to dry in this way.
Grant Hacket did the wrong thing – but I dont feel he needs to answer to me about it. The guys needs some help.
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This wasn’t a mistake; it was intimate partner abuse.
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Definition of mistake: An action or judgment that is misguided or wrong
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OK, so ‘raping a woman’ (for example) is ‘misguided and wrong’. Ergo just a mistake? Stop playing silly semantics.
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Oh please, using that definition murder could be called ‘a mistake’.
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I think you are all confusing the words ‘mistake’ and ‘accident’ – murder would be deemed an action that is wrong, would it not?
What is it, if not a mistake? I am sure if you asked Andy Muirhead, Matthew Newton, Grant Hackett etc, they would say they made a mistake. Because they have allegedly done something that is not right.
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Memo to young sports fans: champions do not smash up their homes and frighten women and children. I once admired him, but Grant Hackett is no longer a champion in my eyes.
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This all begins to get a bit tirsome. Grant Hackett’s sorry, Matthew Newton’s sorry, they are all sorry because the are worried about the public’s perception of them. Meanwhile, the victims of these acts (who are also in the public eye) remain quiet and would probably prefer these events not be aired on national television. At the end of the day whether this was an isolated event or not, you commited the act and the consequences that come along with it. Yes, we all make mistakes but sometimes sorry just doesn’t cut it!
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I disagree. Whereas Matthew Newton appeared to be “known for it”, where are all the stories or whispers from everyone else who knew Grant Hackett saying he had a temper on him?
It’s not that unusual for people to start drinking more heavily and behaving out of character when their marriages are going down the toilet.
Yes what he did was unacceptable, and no matter how the situation arose must have been terrifying.
But.. who stands to gain the most from releasing the pictures, and holding a carefully orchestrated campaign to win public sympathy, and destroy Grant’s future career prospects. Leaking the pictures, allows you to maintain a dignified silence..
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I’m so cynical about this whole thing. Its so obvious Channel Nine want to redeem him in the public eye prior to the Olympics so have orchestrated this interview. He probably HAD to do it to be included in the Olympic coverage team. I actually think that the interview has made things worse rather than better. My husband said it was crocodile tears. He just should have released a statement, donated to a domestic abuse charity. It would have been more dignified.
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Dont channel 7 usually cover the olympics?
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I don’t feel the need to have Grant Hackett apologise to me, and I think channel nine did this as a ratings grab. I hate these interviews. I don’t think Hackett should have agreed to it but his job was probably on the line.
While I am not at all trying to blame the victim, lets remember that we can’t know what went on behind closed doors. What pushes someone to these uncharacteristic actions?
I also think it’s easy to pick apart these interviews. When he says he would never hurt his wife he meant physically, obviously. How do you know the children saw anything? Perhaps there’s a second exit to the house, or they didn’t wake (at their age totally possible). I’m not trying to defend Hackett, but *we don’t know what happened*.
Obviously what he did was totally unacceptable, but does that mean he needs atrial by media?
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No doubt Hackett is hurting in not being able to see his children… But is going on 60 min in the best interest of his children? I don’t think so. Hackett is behaving selfishly by doing the interview. His actions were violent and we should not excuse those actions. Giovanni…. Provocation is not a defence.
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This reminds me of Matt Newton – desperate to save face after behaving in a violent, intimidatory and disgusting manner to women.
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I don’t agree with acting violently etc, but why wouldn’t you want to try and save face? Not everyone is 100% bad or 100% good 100% of the time.
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Regardless of what happened, and whose fault it was, and who’s sorry or embarrassed…I just don’t get why any of this has to be played out in the media…
It’s not really any of our business…I would much prefer it if stuff like this was just kept private and between the individuals involved…to agree to be interviewed about this is obviously self-serving and has nothing to do with remorse or forgiveness…I don’t care about his marriage…I don’t need to know about the break-up of his marriage…just not interested.
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Relationships should not be kept private under all circumstances. Keeping relationships private enables rape and domestic violence to continue unfettered behind closed doors. Also, Hackett was paid to do the interview. SO clearly he stands to gain from the publicity.
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Well said!
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how do you know he was paid ?
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I doubt he was paid for the interview itself – but he will be paid very handsomely for his role in the Olympics Games coverage, and Channel Nine need to ensure it’s worth it – hence their attempt at PR… (that seems to have backfired)
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I work in the media and it is a fact that Grant was paid for the interview. 60 Minutes pay. A lot.
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Totally agree that we should never hide from discussions about domestic violence, but that’s not what this is about – this is just celebrity voyeurism…this just distracts everyone from what we should be talking about…
– why does it happen?
– how do we stop it?
I don’t think the interview on 60 Minutes really addressed either of those topics…if Grant Hackett’s personal experience could be used to shed light on the causes of domestic violence, how to deal with it, and prevent it happening, then I’m all for it…but this (last night’s interview) isn’t that.
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I believe that good can come from these kinds of stories being aired. Whether it’s about issues of mental illness, addiction, domestic violence, emotional abuse, (I’m not referring specifically to Grant Hackett, just about ‘celebrity’ stories more generally) or even things like infertility……celebrities are often just a window through which a broader issue is discussed and better understood.
Keeping things ‘behind closed doors’ is not always the best thing, whether you’re famous or not. For decades this was the case and many people suffered silently. Sometimes it serves a broader purpose to shine sunlight on a dark place.
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I agree 100% Mia.
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Half agree – half disagree…
I agree that discussing examples of domestic violence like this is important – you did this on MM when this incident first became public…I applaud you and MM for doing that (and I include today’s article, because you discuss more than just the celebrity aspects of the issue)
I didn’t get the same feeling of worth from watching 60 minutes…it was just about Grant, not the issue of Domestic Violence…
So Big Tick to MM for once again addressing this issue in a constructive way…
Big Fail for 60 Minutes for a wasted opportunity.
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Agreed, JJ
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I think that you can explore an issue without highlighting the individual. The blame game is warm and comfortable but most often useless and retrospective rather than forward looking.
The trouble is as a commercial concern, you need to enage eyeballs and that’s where the finger pointing at celebrities gets a place at the table.
I’d echo JJ’s view that these articles are not all that practical towards solving the issue of domestic violence. Everyone just throws punches (comment-wise).
Domestic violence is more often than not, perpetrated on women and while they are victims of it, they also hold the solution for substantially reducing violence in the home.
Mothers should have zero tolerance for being hit and more importantly, they should have NO tolerance for their children witnessing it. That’s the way that the cycle begins again – a kid ingests themselves or their parent being hit as normal and carries it over to their parenting.
I’d be more comfortable to see these pieces address the ‘get yourself and the kids out of the house’ concept more than let’s kick the shit out of this evil bastard.
Practical advice on where to go to get accomodation and financial & legal assistance in an emergency.
In my opinion, this sort of stuff would be a far more transformative treatment of the topic over whipping up the mob.
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Why watch it then Amelia!
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Amelia I completely agree. Violence is allowed to keep happening because we don’t bring it out into the open to discuss why it’s wrong.
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I agree that it doesn’t need to be played out in the media, but I don’t think domestic violence should be a private thing. I think the police and family and friends should be involved and that it should never be swept under the carpet. But you are so right, why is he going on TV giving a self-serving interview and probably making his wife feel even more ashamed and humiliated.
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Candice did the first interview for Who Magazine with a photo spread about how she’s coping and with the children he can’t see playing happy families. This was apparently him getting his side of the story out.
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For me it is this simple – he started ‘trashing’ his house while his children were there, he explained in the interview that his wife moved them one at a time to her parents apartment to get them away. He behaved that way knowing his children could wake up at any time and witness his actions and the destruction he caused. I would have left him too.
If Candice had stayed and the next time he had hurt her, people out there would be criticising her for staying when she knew he could be so violent but didn’t leave. She is in an impossible situation but has taken steps to protect her children – good for her.
Grant looked like a spoilt teenager who was made to apologise on 60 Minutes last night – and I thought his parents’ attitude only reinforced this image. That interview did him no favours with me. I thought he was better off keeping his business private than splashing his personal lives – and that of his wife and children – all over the TV
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Agree with everything you’ve said.
It’s not like he organised or requested his wife to remove the children before he started. He went in there with two young children present and began violently smashing the family home. Did he sit down and have a cup of tea mid tantrum while waiting for the second child to be removed. I hardly think so.
Incredibly shocked at those claiming it was Candice’s fault!? I think she’s shown a great deal of courage in stepping up to protect her children.
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Why is it ok for Grant Hackett to go to the Olympics and be part of all the festivities when Nick D’Arcy isn’t?? I know Nick has done plenty wrong but it just seems like there are definitely different rules for different people.
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Because Hackett isn’t representing his country, just his employer.
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Grant Hackett didn’t assault his wife. Nick Darcy did assault Simon Cowley, pled guilty and was convicted. These are not the same thing and so they are not subject to the same consequences.
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Actually under the definition used by the Family Court Hackett committed domestic violence. Depending on the state definition he may have committed a criminal act. Just because he hasn’t been charged doesn’t mean that he didn’t do anything wrong.
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I didn’t say he didn’t do anything wrong. I said he hasn’t been charged or convicted of an offence and so the consequences aren’t the same.
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Disappointing… this whole thing is.
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Untold psychological damage?
Spare me.
What he did was wrong, but it’s a storm in a teacup. The man has now been ostracized from his kids for more than two months. That’s likely to damage them more than seeing a busted up house.
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Surly if he was so serious about seeing his kids he would have stayed in the same state as them. And yes, untold psychological damage. I have been free of my abusive ex for nearly three years and yet my kids still show the effects. And my ex never hit me, them or trashed the house.
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Carz – I was about to reply to Anon myself but you’ve just said it better than I ever could.
I cannot even begin to imagine the fear and the trauma that would be caused if you were in a room with someone who was doing the kind of damage that is shown in those photos.
And that trauma is only magnified if the person who has ‘exploded’ (Hackett’s words and not mine) is behaving like that when your children are in the house.
Untold psychological damage. Yes. 100 per cent. And Carz – I’m glad you’re out and your children will be all the better for how brave you’ve been.
So, so many good wishes,
Jamila x
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No, it’s not untold psychological damage. It was a one off that with proper medical care and counselling can be dealt with so that Candice can continue life as a well adjusted human. I sincerely hope she does.
The kids slept through it. There’s no damage there. Yet they are being damaged now by not being allowed to see their father. They will be going through a mourning period for their dad.
Apparently that’s ok though.
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I work in the field of DV. It is highly unlikely that this was a one off incident. He may not have trashed their personal possessions before but it is highly likely that there was other forms of abuse taking place within the relationship. In relation to trauma – it impacts everyone in different ways, incidents such as these can take years of counselling to work through. And guess what DV counselling is significantly under funded in this cou try. Maybe Grant Hackett could turn his attention to that rather than pathetically trying to save his so called reputation. How self serving & not one mention of The White Ribbon Foundation. Mmmmm
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Oh no you didnt….
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I dont think he contradicted himself he said the children were asleep in the other room, she took one to her parents apartment in the same building and then came back with her mother for the other child. I imagine it would be pretty hard to carry two sleeping children at once. I think if she thought the kids were in danger she wouldn’t have left one of them in the apartment while she took the other one out.
Is it against the law to smash up your own apartment?
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She left one child behind? It can’t have been a particularly bad situation, if she really feared for the safety of her children she would have moved heavan and earth to get them out together.
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“heaven”
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Oh please, it sounds to me like she acted calmly and without scaring her children – more than can be said for their father. Until you’ve been in a situation where a big, strong man is acting ina violent way in your home you cannot pass judgment on her actions.
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You are so right anonymous
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Smashed up her stuff, not his.
I wonder how complacent you would be if she had taken his medals and destroyed them. Probably not so forgiving.
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My response would be exactly the same.
I’m not for a minute suggesting that smashing up the house is a good thing, but it really is an over reaction and no-one seems to give a shit that the children aren’t seeing their father.
Denial of access to one’s children for months on end is so much worse than what he did, it’s vindictive and cruel. apparently it’s ok for that to happen.
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Cruel and vindictive to whom? To Hackett or to the children? Because it is the children who need to come first and quite frankly I wouldn’t be surprised if they were now terrified of him. They may not have seen him destroying their mother’s possessions but I bet they heard it. And they would have seen the results when they were taken from the house.
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He and Candice got back together and split up again 6 months after this incident – it may have scarred them at the time but this incident isn’t their last memory of him.
Two months ago was the night of the Logies so their last memory is probably of mummy and daddy looking very fancy and happily leaving together… daddy didn’t ever come home.
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Candice didn’t attend the logies
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Right you are, my mistake.
Still, the last time he saw his children was not the night of this incident – that happened 6 months before they officially split.
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Robb, i didn’t say anywhere in my comment i wouldn’t have a problem with it. I asked if it is against the law to smash up your own apartment? Meaning if i go home this afternoon, get a sledge hammer and smash everything in my house would i be arrested for it? Has Grant Hackett been charged with an offence or not?
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If my husband chose to destroy my things it is against the law. But I would have to ask.
So – Yes.
And you are impying that only those things that are against the law are wrong. It is not just the Law that decides the difference between right and wrong.
Maybe he thought that everything was his property, including his wife and children.
There seems to be something wrong with his moral compass.
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I wasn’t implying anything. I was asking if he was charged with an offence, hence, the question mark at the end of my sentence.
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see new family law provisions-
http://awava.org.au/2012/06/07/important-media-release-from-attorney-general-the-hon-nicola-roxon-mp/
The definition of domestic violence has been expanded to include emotional manipulation, withholding money and harming the family pet under controversial changes to family law.
The changes, which became law on Thursday June 7 2012, for the first time broaden the definition of violence beyond physical abuse to other damaging actions, including:
• Stalking;
• Repeated derogatory taunts;
• Intentionally damaging or destroying property; and
• Preventing someone having contact with family and friends.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/net-widens-on-family-violence-20120602-1zoku.html#ixzz1ylUe02qG
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I watched on and off last night, but even before it aired I said to my partner that Channel 9 are protecting one of their own before the Olympics. Talking about the ‘fallen hero’ in the ads etc.
If it had been a footballer, it wouldn’t have been a 60 minutes interview for him to explain his actions. A footballer would have been roasted. And rightly so. What he did was much more than a ‘mistake’.
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You know, the violence is one thing.
But the other side to this story is that Hackett’s doing himself and his family (won’t anyone think of the children?!) a great disservice by spilling his beans. Or as Tracey Spicer put it, ‘Airing his dirty laundry’.
While he’s likely being ‘encouraged’ by Channel 9 to do all that he can to publicly fix his face, I think it would have served him better to keep quiet and hold on to whatever pride & dignity he has left.
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Isn’t it all out there being aired anyway though following the release by his ex-wife (somewhere along the line, anyway) of the snaps of the apartment? I don’t understand why anyone blames him for trying to get his side of the story out there, when she’s been able to promote hers?
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His parents were acting bizzare. They didnt look or sound too disappointed or angry with him. The way they were acting did not match the ferocity of his actions.
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