
Gerry Harvey
Late last year, Chief Executive of Harvey Norman, Gerry Harvey started to get a little antsy. He complained that local retailers were under threat from online stores and called for online purchases from overseas to be taxed.
Not surprisingly, he found fast support from the major retailers (who also claim to be affected by online retailing) to call for the government to impose a GST on online products that cost under $1000 and to do it fast.
Julia Gillard called for the Productivity Commission to conduct an inquiry “into the impact of globalisation on the retail industry, including the growth of online shopping” The report is due back later this year. But that is not quick enough for some:
According to reports in ARN
Harvey Norman’s outspoken chairman, Gerry Harvey, has claimed many retailers will perish unless immediate action is taken to add GST onto Internet transactions of under $1000.
Speaking at a press conference surrounded by stocktake sales shoppers in Sydney’s CBD, Harvey said the GST imbalance would cost Australian jobs if not rectified as soon as possible.
He also rejected calls from Australian Retailer Association executive director, Russell Zimmerman, to wait for a report from the Productivity Commission into the issue before taking action.
“There are a lot of retailers that are going to go broke between now and the next three months,” Harvey said. “This has been taken to the Productivity Commission, which will take nine months to look at it and then make a recommendation to the Government.
“We can’t wait that long. For the case of a lot of retailers this is a matter of life or death.”
It is interesting to note that Harvey Norman does not actually have an online retail offering . This is interesting because if they did, perhaps people who LIKE to shop online for the convenience factor, might spend their $$$ there instead of overseas. Just a thought.
A group of major retailers including Harvey Norman, Myer, David Jones, Target, House, Borders and Angus & Robertson have taken to the national newspaper with full page adverts trying to raise support for this new GST.
The Herald Sun reports:
In the ads, the retail coalition, which collectively employs more than 76,000 people, warns that failing to act “will see a reduction in hours and shifts for casual and part-time workers, and ultimately cost Australians jobs in retail, manufacturing, logistics and related services”.
The advertisement also says that if the government does not want to impose GST on internet purchases — currently exempt from GST and import duty if less than $1000 — it should not impose it on domestic purchases.
“That means everyone is exempt from GST and duty charges for purchases less than $1000, or everyone has to pay GST and duty,” the ad reads.
The reaction to this advert has been resounding with #deargerryharvey trending on Twitter and very little support going to the major retailers. The Courier Mail reports:
Assistant Treasurer Bill Shorten maintains that imposing the GST on every item purchased from overseas is too expensive. “The cost of compliance would be greater than the tax raised,” he said, adding consumers and retailers wanted a considered response from the government, not a knee-jerk reaction….
Mr Harvey was unimpressed by the argument, accusing Mr Shorten of being out of touch.
“Bill, wake up,” he said.
In the same publication Christopher Zinn, spokesman for consumer advocacy group Choice described the retailers’ campaign as an “alarmist red herring” driven by self interest.
“The big chains should recognise that it’s their high prices, limited range and poor customer service that increasingly encourages people to use the internet,” spokesman Christopher Zinn said in a statement. “Consumers are simply chasing the best deal and the best service and often these days that is found online.”….
“Major stores are not being forced by anyone to charge these high prices,” Mr Zinn said. “This debate is about quality of service, competitive pricing and the inability of some retailers to understand the future of internet shopping.”
And the Australian reports independent senator Nick Xenophon disagreeing with the major retailers in favour of small business
INDEPENDENT Senator Nick Xenophon says imposing the GST on all internet purchases would be an administrative nightmare and highly impractical.
The South Australian Senator instead argues that the current exemption on internet purchases under $1000 from GST should be extended to small businesses. He said it was “extraordinary” that a coalition of big retailers were preparing a campaign designed to pressure the government to impose GST on all goods bought over the internet.
But Senator Xenophon says changes to GST laws should first apply to small businesses because major retailers already have a competitive advantage. “There ought to be GST exemptions for small businesses in this country otherwise we’ll get further and further behind,” he said.
“It’s a bit rich for the big retailers to suddenly become the consumer’s friend when it comes to this. It’s a bit like Goliath pretending to be David,” he said.
But the Greens have come out in support of the move. According to 9news
Acting Attorney-General Brendan O’Connor indicated on Tuesday the government would not change the laws, but Senator Brown said it should reconsider. “GST on imported goods is a reasonable thing,” he told reporters in Hobart on Tuesday.
“Why should the shop up the street have to charge GST for its customers but the shop selling goods out of Tokyo or California not have to charge GST?”
UPDATE
According to SMH:
THE Harvey Norman founder, Gerry Harvey, will step back from the retailers’ campaign for GST to be imposed on overseas online purchases, saying he is hurt by the avalanche of criticism directed at him and feels that getting involved was ”suicidal”.
He said the rise of social media such as Twitter and Facebook had increased the ”vicious and hateful” attacks against him and a fellow retail boss, Solomon Lew.
Mr Lew led the campaign, involving a coalition of retail companies, most of which are owned by the Lew family, which called on the government to end the GST exemption on imported goods worth less than $1000.
”You might have got a nasty phone call or a letter back in the old days but now anything slightly controversial, these people, whoever they might be, they go for you zealously and with hatred all over Twitter,” Mr Harvey said. ”If you are a CEO of a company and you speak out and then the board gets involved … it is suicidal.
”Because of my profile, I then get all these threats and people hone in on me. It becomes me, Gerry Harvey and Solomon Lew – billionaires, greedy, ugly, old, out-of-date c—s, and the people writing this seem to think we have been ripping them off for years and that we deserve this.”
The federal government has commissioned a review of retailing by the Productivity Commission. Mr Harvey said the gripe of the retailing coalition was not about ”online retail versus bricks and mortar” but rather about closing a tax loophole that did not support Australian jobs or the economy.
From ABC Online
Retailer Gerry Harvey says he is not stepping down from the campaign to have a GST placed on overseas online purchases.
Newspaper reports suggested he was retreating from the tax fight because of the criticism and personal attacks he has attracted from consumers.
Mr Harvey says that is not the case and he is 100 per cent behind the campaign and will remain so.
He says he would like to see other retailers take more of a public role, but he will never back down.
“That’s not in my nature to run away – I’ll stand up and fight,” he said.
“If I think something is right I’ll fight for it, always have. If it’s wrong or I’ve been proved wrong I’ll walk away and I’ll apologise.”
Mr Harvey is one of many retailers calling for the $1,000 tax-free threshold to be scrapped.
With such a fraction of total retailing coming from overseas websites, is this really an issue? Clearly, the big players think that it is likely to grow as a share of the whole retail pie and they’re worried. Are these major retailers out of touch with the way people want to shop in 2011? Do you shop online much? What kind of things do you buy? Is it simply a lack of good service in the form of competitive local websites that can offer the same kind of prices and service you can get from overseas?
Or perhaps you work in retailing – what’s YOUR view?






Comments
493 Comments so far
I wish Ikea had an online shop. Although that could be dangerous for my credit card…
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Even if they did not do funiture online and just their smaller stuff – I would be happy to pay for postage to get IKEA online as I live a long way from their stores.
Either that or make the big step into regional areas IKEA.
Hope you are listening IKEA…
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Me too. I love IKEA but I can’t stand the crazy people that shop there.
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I agree, if you go to Ikea at any time other than a Sunday morning it’s worse than the Easter Show….
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Best time to go to Ikea is during the Grand Final.
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Yes! Drives me bonkers that they don’t…..WHY???
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Haven’t actually tried it but you can shop online at Ikea…
http://www.ikea.com/ms/en_AA/customer_service/how_to_e-shop/how_to_e-shop.html
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Thanks Lotus. I checked that out and the instructions seem great but when I went into the site not a single item I looked at had the ‘buy’ button. Is it a hoax?
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I bought a bed, an island bench and various other small pieces through the Ikea website. You are then contacted by their ‘service’ department, and that’s when the real fun starts.
You can’t indicate a delivery time that works for you or your schedule – not a day, and not even an AM or PM. Items are dispatched immediately. The staff member I spoke with was incredibly rude. And my favorite part? As we have two steps leading up to our front door, we were charged an excess for their delivery people having to climb ‘a flight of stairs.’ The whole Ikea online experience, from start to finish, was hopeless.
I am a huge online shopper, with most of my clothes and books coming from online, with exceptions made for several local small businesses that have an amazing range and amazing service. More than anything, I adore being able to buy something distinct, something that has not been snapped up by thousands of Australian consumers, something you won’t see someone else on the street wearing. Plus, frankly, I like receiving packages. It’s like I get a present! From me!
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Kodak could have bitched and moaned because digital photography replaced film. But they went with it and still they exist. Are you in the retail business, Gerry, or do you have a chain of shops?
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YOu know what-this makes me really mad, and smells like sour grapes on behalf of these businesses. And makes me want to shop in these shops even less, because I’m stubborn like that.
I’ve online shopped for quite awhile (living in country NSW means a lack of stores nearby), but only recently have I begun to buy from OS. I lived in London last year, and was exposed to a range of brands largely unavailable in Aust, or at extreme prices. I was shocked when I returned at AUst prices. “Oh, that’s a nice singlet top in Sportsgirl with a bit of beading around the neck-$120!!!” My boyfriend bought a Fossil watch when he was in New York. $60US-it’s $200 here. MAC eyeshadow-$32 here, $14.50 in the US. etc etc etc….
I can understand in the past when the dollar wasn’t strong-the markups were more justified. The eyeshadow for eg was probably about right with the exchange, but now…
I buy some things online, and will continue to do so, and some of that will come from OS. Welcome to the world, get with the times. We’ve always shopped around to find the best deals, now it’s just a larger ‘shopping centre’. I still buy most things in stores though. Sometimes I buy books online-bookdepository etc, sometimes I look around Dymocks etc, often though I will buy my books from a little unbranded bookshop. Maybe I pay a little more, but I like the service, I like that they recommend me books I might like, or ask me how I enjoyed another book.
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Mum really liked Gap when she went overseas, but her friend went to the Gap shop here and said it is way more expensive than UK or US. I went there and sorry, but $30 is not a cheap tank top or tshirt!
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My SIL said GAP in Canada was awesome and GAP in Australia had buggar-all in it (probably their leftovers) and it was way more expensive.
Not fair really!
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Gap here SUX! I loooved it when I lived in the UK for a few years. Here? Overpriced and yucky
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I was HUGELY disappointed by GAP in Australia – went in to buy some work pants and not a single pair in my size! Hope Zara do better cause I am hanging for them to open here!
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I actually just cannot bear Gerry Harvey. He isn’t worried about jobs and the little retailer battling away, he just doesn’t want his millions affected. This may seem simplistic but that is about the size of his motivation. Just for once, I’d like to hear Gerry Harvey talking about something other than himself, and how his business will be impacted. I don’t think I’ve ever heard him speak about giving money to charity or giving some of his extraordinary wealth to those who have nothing. I will shop where I get the best bargain, where I am not ripped off and conned into contracts which promise me no repayments until 2012 and so on. I am not swayed by the loudmouthing of the mega rich concerned only about adding to their very large pots of money.
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Here here,
I would actually be interested to hear Dick Smith’s thoughts on the campaign – I’m not sure if they have an online presence, or how their sales are doing, but generally they have excellent customer service in their stores and reasonable prices and he gives back a lot to the local community.
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Dick Smith Electronics is actually owned by Woolworths so he does not have a personal stake in this debate. That said, I too would be interested in his take on it.
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Maybe Mr. Harvey protesteth too much. He has done a favour, however, by pointing out some of the benefits of on-line shopping.
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The short answer to your question in the title? No. The longer answer? Hell no. And I quite enjoyed yelling at the TV last night to tell Gerry Harvey as much.
I do a lot of shopping online, especially on Etsy. And my first question was how would this be administrated, something that Bill Shorten if not Gerry Harvey has the sense to ask. Sole traders like those on Etsy can’t be expected to collect tax for another jurisdiction, so it would fall to Customs. And what a waste of their time to collect the $2 or $3 that would be payable on my average $20-$30 purchase. I would much rather their energies be devoted to … oh, I don’t know, detecting drugs and the like!
My other problem is that a lot of my online shopping is done not to undercut Australian retailers but to get something that I simply couldn’t get here! To use Etsy as an example again, where in Australia could I as easily a custom wall decal for my brother, a leather wallet handmade to my specifications for my mum, a pair of earings made with some old lace with sentimental value for a friend, and the oodles of other unique items I buy online quickly and easily?
I feel really strongly about this issue – I believe in buying local when I can but the fact is that we live in Australia, a small and isolated market, and online shopping provides consumers with choice.
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simply put: why pay more at harvey norman (etc) when you can get the same product for half the price online? i love online shopping, particularly for books from the book depository. i lived in seattle for a time and was shocked at how cheap their books were – why are they so expensive here? to me, and for my budget, online shopping is the best solution. if the australian major retailers want to stop their 500% mark-ups (may be an exaggeration) then go for it and consumers will want to do business with you.
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$7.95 including postage for 4 cordless phone batteries from Hong Kong, or $25 each from Dick Smith. Even with GST I still saved over $90!!!
Adding GST to purchases wont make them hideously expensive and undesirable. The problem is overinflated prices, and it does not come down to having to employ staff – they get paid barely above minimum wage!
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The big retailers are greedy. They are still making a profit just not as bigger percentage increase as on previous years.
I mainly buy books and DvDs online as they are cheaper, there is great a choice which is easy to find and I don’t have to deal with poorly organised book stores.
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I’m sure the buggy whip manufacturers bleated just as loudly when cars came into use.
The answer is not to beat them but to join them. Look at publishers…I’m sure most of them are investigating some sort of online delivery mechanism for books because people are losing interest in having pulp and the costs are getting too high.
The government is also to blame. GST on books was ridiculous! In fact, the whole GST thing is a joke. It was meant to be a flat tax where 10% was only paid on the retail price. Instead, it’s become a compounding tax that has jacked prices up exponentially.
I’m at a bit of a loss as to what I buy in Harvey Norman stores that I would buy online instead…. So essentially, Gerry wants more money thrown in his direction? Maybe stop rewarding your execs with trips to strip clubs.
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I agree – I buy all my books online or head to a 2nd hand book store. They’re way too expensive.
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I agree Flutterby, I worked in a bookstore when the GST came in, and was so disgusted that the government could charge a tax on books.
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I work ina big publishing company at the moment and it’s really interesting to see the ways they are coping, but they are doing it without a big fuss
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It’s the crazy prices and lack of range that cause us to buy overseas. I bought a high end set of saucepans recently online – bought Thursday, arrived via courier on Tuesday. Total cost $160. The next model down at a major retailer, on sale for 40%off was $460! My mother bought a pair of jeans for $290. I found the same ones for her online and got them for $73, delivered. My husband ordered me books from an Aust online bookstore – they took over a week to go from Sydney to Brisbane – my saucepans arrived faster from the US!
Before there is any talk of imposing GST I would like a clear explanation of why reta prices are so much higher in this country than in others..? I have friends now living in London who have said they probably can’t afford to move back to Australia if they want the same standard of living because it is just so expensive here
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Tell me where you got good but cheap saucepans please? Sounds amazing!
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This is another thing that makes me laugh about the whole campaign – it’s forcing people to talk about where they do their online shopping, good sites etc. As more people become aware, more people go online! Not that I think that’s a bad thing – I’m all for shopping on the net
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Knowledge is power and power to the people!
I agree with your sentiments. The more people are unafraid of online shopping the more people will go there and ask for the lowest price possible.
I have problems with cheap shit that is manufactured solely to fill homes with inevitable landfill – that is ruining our planet and resources. But what to do when everyone has an insatiable appetite for “stuff”?
I do think that Aussie are always paying top dollar for everything and other countries seem to get our exports at rock-bottom prices only to turn our exports into expensive shit we buy back at a premium.
It’s all lose lose situation and our governments are to blame for selling out our country since settlement occurred.
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Victoria’s Basement have great prices on saucepans at the moment – not necessarily cheap but certainly less than the major stores, even now when sales are on. And shipping isn’t outrageous, which would be a catch a lot of places since they are so heavy.
Funnily enough, this is an Australian store! I don’t think those of us who shop online want to screw Australian retailers, we are just looking for better choice and price, and if it is in Australia then that is where we will buy.
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It used to be a matter of just explaining the difference in the dollar, but I think some of the price difference simply comes from the difference in population. The USA population is about 240 million (I’m giving a guess), and we’re just over 20million. We, in Australia, just don’t have the market.
As others have said, I’m blown away by the price we pay for stuff. I also live in regional NSW I have to drive 3+ hours to get childrens shoes fitted. So, I buy locally where I can, buy up when I’m in a major city, but am also more than happy to buy on-line.
On-line shopping is just a reality of the modern world. The logistics of imposing a tax would be interesting too…
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I saw him doing a show in HN Alexandria, god hes a whinger!!!
If they want people to spend at the shops, then give us the service and make it cheaper!!!!!! Why pay, say $100 in the shop if u can get it online for $20 inc postage?!?! Stop marking it up n give us the customer service! Im sick of having to ask some angry teenager who doesnt even seem to be interested in the slightest bit in serving customer! Or wait so long just to find out the price. Im glad that the major retailers r feeling the pinch. Its about bloody time! Go people power!!!
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Customer service in some larger stores in an absolute joke!
At least on a computer you don’t get unhelpful shop assistants who know nothing.
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I run an online store – something I do part time but am looking to make this my full time venture next year. What about me? What about all of the mumpreneurs who have found a new work/family balance through their online stores and businesses? There’s a whole culture of people who will be affected here.
I don’t like calling people names but Gerry Harvey – you are a POMPOUS TOOL.
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I buy (what I think should be cheap) electronic stuff online. Like the usb plug from my camera to laptop. $1 on ebay, $? from a store here. Or an ipod cover. $2 on ebay, $30, yes, *thirty* from the apple shop. Phone screen protectors? I don’t actually want to pay $14.95 each, I would prefer 3 for $2 please.
If the prices in a shop here are going to be 15x, then what do you expect?
I’d like to see a small-business GST exemption. I don’t know how you’d do it, but I love my local businesses, but can’t always cop the 30% extra in price.
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I bought 6 iphone screen protectors on Ebay that came from Hong Kong. $2.75 for 6 and FREE postage. Insane. It took about 10 days to arrive which is fine. I was in Big W yesterday and they had TWO screen protectors for $19.95. Absolute rip-off. And they wonder why people buy online….
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They are obviously trying to blame someone for the fact that people arent spending as much money in their stores as they used to. They no longer have control of the market and they dont like it.
I saw a shopper who was interviewed on the news last night. She said retailers had benefitted for years buying cheaply overseas and then putting massive markups on the same stuff to sell to us. Now its our turn.
Sounds good to me.
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I think Christopher Zinn from Choice sums it up perfectly : “The big chains should recognise that it’s their high prices, limited range and poor customer service that increasingly encourages people to use the internet” .
It’s the extra choice in particular ; if I want an obscure CD, book, or trousers with a waist-size bigger than 36″, it’s much easier finding this stuff on the web rather than wasting time with local retailers (except Vinnies, perhaps).
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I agree. I think Christopher Zinn has absolutely hit the nail on the head with that comment.
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Exactly! One of my sons has a habit of requesting very particular lego sets for his birthdays and Christmas. I visit Toys R Us, Myer, DJs, Target, KMart…who all usually give me the same answer ‘oh thats really popular, its sold out, wont get any more for weeks’. Nobody has ever offered to find it for me, call another store etc. So over the years I have very successfully found them on ebay, maybe paid $5 more than I would have in the store, but I find what I want with no stress. I didnt even bother trying the shops this year, just went straight to Ebay and found his Star Wars Lego ship without having to chase around 10 shops and leave empty handed!
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Agreed. I wanted to buy a UK TV series on DVD and I thought I could traipse around a Westfield only to receive blank stares and come home with nothing so I got on Amazon UK and got a three-series UK comedy for $27 delivered.
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people want value for money. that doesn’t mean they want everything super cheap but just a good, fair price.
eg. there are some us/european brands that can cost twice as much to buy here as they do overseas. why should we pay twice as much for the same thing? if a better deal is to be found online then that’s where shoppers will go.
i’m not a big online shopper but due to moving further away from sydney and having less of the stores i like close by i will probably start buying more online. i think it’s great we now have more choices and shouldn’t be taxed for it.
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This whole debate really angers me. I love online shopping! GST is not the issue here – it’s crazy Australian prices! Recently my boyfriend bought a pair of expensive shoes for his dad as a gift. They cost over $400 in Australia but to buy them online from the US and then pay extra for a courier to deliver them in Malaysia cost $180. Even if you weren’t paying GST on the shoes it would still be much cheaper to buy online. Same for books. I can get a new book, free delivery, from Book Depository for $11-$12. It’s $23 in Dymocks! Maybe if Australian stores had competitive prices and more choice, purchasers wouldn’t be moving online.
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Dear Gerry / Myer / Borders -
Bite me.
(I’ll post something a bit more mature later.)
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I call bullsh1t on this one to Gerry Harvey. 3% of retail is purchased online. And of that 3% an average of 40% is bought from overseas.
So now its time for Aus retailers to:
* Stop price gouging
* Realise that ecommerce is here to stay and that consumers like the flexibility
The last time I purchased at Harvey Norman a few months back – my reciept came out on a dot matrix printer.
Not the best example of keeping up!
I’m not sure why Borders is in that group – they have a good online store. Unfortunately it’s often expensive and takes 6 weeks for items to arrive!
The likeliness and ability of being able to charge GST on all overseas purchases is ridiculous. I buy in the US often (well, until the open some more Gap stores & Victorias Secret stores here!), and pay tax in the US – i’m not paying twice!
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I don’t see why Gerry Harvey from HarveyNorman is whining so much…..has anyone ever bought a sofa, washing machine, or TV from an overseas website ? The postage would be horrendous…
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Not overseas but I got my fridge online from seconds world. So easy!
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