Gabriela Byrne is a community worker, a wife and a mother to two wonderful children.
I met Gabriela yesterday, when she spoke at a community forum about what she used to be – a woman addicted to gambling on poker machines.
For four years, the pokies came before her family, her children and her career. She describes her addiction as a ‘love affair’ — endless lies, constant guilt, wanting to stop but not knowing how.
“I would have done anything to stop, but when the beast talked to me I just wasn’t strong enough. I switched from Jekyll into Hyde and all I wanted was to feed the beast.”
It started innocently enough – lunch with a few friends, a quick spin on the pokies afterwards. She had never played before and found it quite boring.
A week later, after a fight with her boss, she slipped into her local and put a few dollars in. It took her away from her troubles and gave her some breathing space.
A few days later, she went back again. Within a few weeks, she was there every day – sometimes up to five times a day – whenever she had money in her pocket and a spare minute.
“While I was there my issues didn’t matter,” she says, “It was just me and the machine.”
Gabriela went from being a successful professional, loving mother and devoted friend to a shadow of herself – someone whose young daughter caught her stealing money out of her piggy bank.
That night, she sat slumped on her daughter’s bed, tears running down her face as her daughter asked her, “Mummy, can’t daddy buy you a poker machine so you and the money just stay at home?”
Gabriela’s story is one repeated all over the nation. The story of her children – and their desperation to get their mum back – is too.
A mother is trying to work out how she’ll get dinner after spending the week’s grocery budget. A mate is missing footy training after getting into ‘the zone’ and staying at the pub until closing. A colleague is distracted at work, knowing no amount of overtime can pay this month’s rent and last’s.
It’s often assumed that problem gamblers are a certain kind of person. They aren’t. They are doctors, nurses and teachers. They work with you. They make small-talk with you at your daughter’s netball game. They sit across from you at the dinner table.
They certainly aren’t destitute, weak or stupid. Gabriela is none of these. She simply got stuck in a trap that thousands of Australians have found themselves in. Gabriella told herself, “I’ll just spend ten dollars tonight”, but it didn’t matter. She got in the zone and couldn’t get out, spending whatever was in her wallet, and then her bank account.
Now that Gabriela has recovered from her addiction, she helps others do the same. But she still lives with the damage her addiction caused – to her and her family. “They’ve all forgiven me, and I have forgiven myself,” she says. ”But nobody can give me the time back.”
Gabriela wants to see changes made to poker machines so that recreational gamblers don’t fall into the same trap she did. She knows counselling is helpful because it helped her. For Gabriela, counseling was helpful when she identified her problem – but after she had a problem, and after she was forced to confront it.
The Government is introducing pre-commitment technology to poker machines so that people have a tool, before they start gambling, to think about how much they are willing to lose, to set a limit and stick to it.
The research shows that people, including problem gamblers, do generally set realistic limits for themselves. But once they are in the zone, their limits go out the window. That’s what mandatory pre-commitment is about – helping people stick to a limit they set themselves.
For Gabriela, the affair with pokies has well and truly ended.
“When I look at a gaming machine now, it’s like looking at an old flame and thinking, ‘God, what on earth did I ever see in them?’”
But in pubs and clubs across Australia – venues that for most of us are a place to get together with friends and have a good time – some people are losing money they don’t really have and this is having big consequences for them and for their families.
We want to support those with a problem – but as Gabriela says, they will never get back this time. So we’d like to do what we can to make sure they don’t lose it.
To hear more stories like Gabriela’s visit Problem Gambling.
Do you know someone who has been affected by problem gambling? What do you think of the Government’s proposed reforms?
Jenny Macklin is the Minister for Families, Housing, Community Services and Indigenous Affairs







Comments
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I believe the reform will make a difference. The people opposed to them (besides the clubs etc who stand to make less money from addicts) often claim “but they’ll just gamble elsewhere” – and they could, but it isn’t the same as the machines.
I have a couple of friends who are problem gamblers, but I’ll just tell you about one;
Just over the weekend I actually tried to talk to him about it, and about how bad it’s gotten. He doesn’t have kids and earns well in his business, but that money all goes on the pokies. Thousands at a time. On Saturday he transfered $600 that had been paid into his business account to his personal account and withdrew it all. He put every single dollar in the machines and left the casino without a dollar to his name. Again.
Last weekend he only had $10 and managed to turn it into $250. I left him alone for 20 minutes and that was all gone again. He even tried to blame me for not being there.
For him, I believe, it is not about the money as much as the win. He couldn’t have been happier in the moments after winning that $250, but why – a week later – could he not be happy about $600 hitting his account that he’d earnt?
After he loses it all each time, he just wants to go home. And is depressed.
How is that fun?
If he had to say how much he was willing to lose at the beginning, would he have said every dollar he had? I don’t think so!
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That quote about daddy buying a poker machine so mummy could stay home just broke my heart.
Pokies are appalling exploitation. That’s all.
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Great story and really well written. Love it when pollies get a bit human!
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My elderly mother became a pokies addict after my father died. Sometimes she’d go through her entire pension in a few hours, then she’d ring me and say she didn’t know what to do – there was nothing left to pay bills. It got so bad I had to step in and take over managing her money, so that it didn’t all go into a machine. It caused a lot of grief and distress in our family. She was pawning things that used to be her treasured possessions. It’s the lies that are the worst thing. She used to get very resentful I wouldn’t let her ‘spend’ more, even though she had asked for my help, as she wasn’t coping and would have ended up totally penniless otherwise.
I really feel robbed of my mother. The addictive behaviour that took her over for the last 5 years of her life wasn’t really her. She was old and lonely and vulnerable, and the pokies are everywhere, She tried to resist the pull of them but she couldn’t go to the supermarket or the bowls club without going right past pokies venues. In fact the bowls club WAS a pokies venue.
If they were just at the casino or a few other locations it would have been much easier for her to stay away from them, but here in Melbourne they are all over the place. Hideous places. I hate them. They stole my mother from me, and that’s something I will always be sad about.
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that is so sad, it must have been so hard for you to see the effect the grief had on her and what it led her to.
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Thanks, Rainbow. When she died I felt really angry that I hadn’t had my ‘real’ mother with me for years, and then she was gone and it was too late. I’d been trying to raise my own babies, and look after her as best I could after Dad died, and then we had all this horrible stuff from the pokies addiction that just made life hell and caused a lot of tension between her and me for her last few years. It wasn’t fair! Big corporations and govt. are making big money out of all this grief. What do they care about how it rips families apart?
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it is so good of your to share you story as gabriela did, for people like me who have no idea of what the pokies can do to families.
it makes me angrier with people like chris riley and clubs australia for campaigning so hard to fight the new laws. every reason they come up with about supporting sports etc is proven wrong by the fact that WA manages to do all those things without the pokie dollar.
i wish you the best and hope you can cherish the earlier memories of your mum before she was influenced by those evil people and their evil machines
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Thank you for your kind words, Rainbow.
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I worked in the poker machine industry for years both in a casino environment and as an area manager for clubs and pubs.
There is no doubt that they are addictive and can ruin families, they are antisocial and I can’t for the life of me fathom why anyone would put any money into one. There is a lot of crazy information about the machines though, I listen to talk back radio and just shake my head with some of the wild stories that people tell about them and how they are ‘rigged’. Our customers used to tell us that they ‘knew’ we moved the machines around the casino at night so they couldn’t find their ‘lucky’ machine; that they had played their machine so long that it was ‘due’ to pay out; that we could “flick a switch” to make the machines pay out or not. And these insanse stories came from the people who played them the most. I used to ask them why, if they really believed their own stories, did they continue to play. They had not answer but the answer was of course that they were addicted.
Poker machines are basically a random number generator and the payout rate is based on the average of millions of spins. When I was in the industry the machines returned 86% to the player, so this meant that if you played for long enough you would lose 14% of your money – not make 86% profit as some people thought.
Addiction to anything is sad and destructive and can destroy lives, I don’t agree with banning machines but they need to adjust them so they spin slower and have bet limits.
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The reason Fr Riley isnt concerned about pokies is because his catholic club is full of them!
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Thanks for the insight….
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Fr Riley is a Christian. They have traditionally done a good line in hypocrisy, if you ask me. I know it sounds mean, but that’s the way I see it.
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Has everyone seen this ad for Centrebet, the online betting site?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_jXtwTyKI4
The darkened room, the dialated pupils…it almost illustrates the parallels between drug and gambling addictions. Amazing that this is an ad FOR onling gambling. As a child of a compulsive gambler (thankfully, now reformed) I think it’s gross.
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In response to the constant cries of “BAN THE POKIES”:
Well, in that case you may as well go the whole hog and ban alcohol at the same time. Oh and take away people’s free choices for eatting junk food. And drinking Coca-cola. No good ever comes out of drinking Coca-cola. It’s bad for you too. <>
You can’t just BAN something – that’s the fastest way to upset those who like the fact that we live in a modern society that allows for people to control their OWN lives. You need to education people on how to make better CHOICES in life.
The difference between cigarettes//alcohol VS gambling is that the other two substances are controlled to a degree. To serve alcohol you must have your Responsible Service of Alcohol Licence – for which you study and sit an exam on the effects of alcohol on the body, business and community as a whole. To sell cigarettes, you must have the correct licence.
There is a lot of advertising surrounding alcohol and cigarette addictions. They’re KNOWN as addictive thanks to this advertising.
There ISN’T enough regulation of pokies (well there is here in WA but the East coast is just ridiculous) and advertisement of how addictive and life-ruining it can be…
That’s the biggest issue with it. Gambling-addictions aren’t mainstream. They’re not SEEN as common because they’re not PUBLICISED as common. As a result, people think – oh that’ll never happen to me. That only ever happens to the rich/fraudulant crooks/old men in the TAB/etc.
You need the general population to know that it’s a real addiction – a real problem and that it isn’t confined to the pokies, the horses and the dogs. It’s online poker games. It’s the high-stakes table at the Crown or at the Burswood. It’s the footy game. It’s even the bloody ASX.
We, as a society, need to stop having knee-jerk reactions that are utterly ridiculous and start thinking about how to EDUCATE the population into making the RIGHT CHOICE.
http://thefridgedoorblog.com
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You rant on about knee jerk reaction, maybe you should apply that to yourself? The main part of the proposed legislation is not banning poker machines but requiring gamblers to set themselves financial limits that they have to stick to. The technology is there, why not use it?
Counselling services and all that Fr Riley offers is all very well, but the first step is to stop people spending their money in the first place.
Fr Riley needs to stop and consider if he would accept money from drug cartels to fund drug abuse programmes? And please don’t anyone come back with a defense that he is accePting money from legal sources because that is merely semantics and technicalities.
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I’ve done 3 RSA’s and each of those times the person giving us the lecture before the test told us the answers to each question.
It’s not hard to pass an RSA and even if the lecturer wasn’t giving us the answers, it’s an open book test. You’d have to be pretty thick to fail it so i don’t think relying on the person to serve you alcohol is sufficient.
People just need to take more responsibility for their own actions and you’re right, the only way people can do that is through education but once you’re out of school, it’s quite hard to force people to listen to messages.
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Actually, in NSW at least, just like an RSA, you have to complete an RCG (Responsible Conduct of Gambling) certificate before working with pokies/keno etc. I did it when I was about 20, working in an RSL club while I was at uni, five years ago.
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Same as in QLD – we have to complete and renew our RSG every 4 years and must posess a Gaming Machine Licence.
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I am so baffled by Fr Chris Riley’s support of Clubs Australia. I am deeply uncomfortable with the way poker machines have taken over clubs and pubs all over the country.
There is nothing sociable about playing them. It is no recreational.
It is sad and addictive and amoral to profit from the money of addicts who are ruining the lives of their families.
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With respect Mia, many people enjoy the experience, are controlled in playing them, see them as legitimate entertainment expenditure, and for them it can be social and recreational. Your coments to them are somewhat patronising IMO.
It is like saying everyone that drinks are slaves to the evils of alcohol and are controlled by every drink they have. We know this is not the case either for most people.
It is a fine balance between the rights of individuals that are controlled and ejoy the experience, and those that have a problem. Same as alcohol, food etc etc.
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Yeah, fair point. But isn’t it a bit like saying some people can take heroin or cocaine without becoming addicted? The legalities notwithstanding, it’s pretty disturbing that pokies have so totally taken over club and pub culture…
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Not all over the country, Mia.
In WA the only place you will find a poker machine is in Burswood Casino. No pubs or clubs have them.
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I so wish that they would just get rid of them all together. We have plenty of laws we don’t get to argue with e.g. don’t murder people. Why? Because it’s bad for us that’s why and I don’t actually think that a person’s right to be stupid is more valuable than a person’s right to be safe. On that note, lets just be done with it and ban smoking too. No-one I know has been able to control themselves in either of these areas.. They serve no purpose but to damage individuals and society as a whole.
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Agree agree agree!! There are no positives associated with either gambling or smoking!
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Strongly agree. Who loves playing the pokies that much that they wouldn’t give it up to rid our society of all the misery they cause?
Unfortunately, it is not the individual players pushing for their retention, but the clubs and state governments addicted to the revenue.
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Sadly, I know plenty of individuals who would fight with their last breaths to keep poker machines. Not because they’re so attached to playing the things; heck, it’s not even that they’re addicted to them. Just that some people take any move to protect the most vulnerable in society from social ills as a threat to their civil liberties. I’m NOT one of those people.
As I understand it, S.A. has managed to keep out poker machines, largely due to Nick Xenephon’s efforts – so it is possible, but now they’re established in most of Oz, a lot of people (& corporations) will fight tooth & nail to keep them.
All I can say is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rcB203vZwo&feature=related
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And lets ban alcohol and Lotto and horse racing and Powerball and keno and lottery tickets and fast food because it’s bad for you and expensive designer clothes because people waste all their money on them too etc etc ……personally I don’t believe banning anything is a solution – much more education and counselling services and assistance to overcome whatever addictions you may have would be better in my opinion.
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When was the last time you heard of someone losing their house due to a lotto addiction? Because of the delayed gratification, it is far less addictive.
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Ok – I exaggerate a bit – not losing their house on Lotto but I have heard of many people losing everything on betting on the TAB especially. It’s quite common to see people putting on bets of anywhere between $100 & $500 on 1 single horse race that’s over in less than a minute. Why aren’t they trying to do something about this sort of problem too…..the TAB in our small little club takes approx $10,000-$15,000 bets on a Saturdayafternoon …..the pokies aren’t anywhere close to that.
I work in the industry and have seen first hand some people have serious problems with addiction to pokies (and TAB & Keno)and I agree that something should be done. I just don’t think this is the answer…there are still way too many ways an addict will be able to lose their money…and this will not stop their addiction ! Sure they’ll be able to set the limit they lose, but they’ll find ways around it and they’ll still have the underlying problem.
Why not force the Casino and Clubs and Pubs to contribute the money this pre committment will cost, to providing more advertising and counselling & psychological services which may be able to help to treat the addiction and its causes? that’s my 2c worth
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I’ve lost all respect for Fr Riley, and I’m glad this story has been brought to light. I’d rather see poker machnes limited to just casinos and amke pubs and clubs place where friends and family get together for a drink, meal or a show without needing to pop coin after coin (or note after note) into those electronic vampires.
I think The Whitlams summed it up nicely “I wish, I wish I knew the right words, to blow up the pokies and drag them away, ’cause they are taking the food off your table”
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Yes agree, I feel the same way about Fr Riley.
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If he becomes Australian of the Year after this I will be seriously disappointed.
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quite poinently put by a great Aussie band….
And I wish I, wish I knew the right words
To make you feel better, walk out of this place
and Defeat them in your secret battle
Show them you can be your own man again
And I wish I, wish I knew the right words
To blow up the pokies and drag them away
‘Cause they’re taking the food off your table
So they can say that the trains run on time
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*poignantly
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oh i love that song. It’s quite heartbreaking when you listen to it. I think the Whitlams wrote it about someone they knew.
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I am all for gambling reform. I also think its such a political nightmare that we wouldnt be having the conversation with Mr Wilke and the hung parliament etc.
I think the government should be able to step in with basic measures… like no atm’s at the pokies site and limits on how much you can lose.
I also feel very sorry for anyone who battles addiction. What a nightmare.
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Just get rid of pokies. I’m originally from Western Australia where there are no pokie machines, except in the one casino the state has. WA manages to exist as a state and fund things that require funding without the money coming from pokie machines. It’s baffling why states think they ‘need’ pokie machines.
It’s still completely foreign and disarming when I walk into pubs now that I’ve moved away from WA and go searching for the toilet / ATM / whatever and end up walking into those creepy ‘pokie rooms’!
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I loved the segment on the Hampster Wheel; they still have ANZACs & footy clubs in WA!
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Can someone give me a good response for when people argue “Why should the Government be able to tell me how much I can put in the poker machines?”, and then complain about their ‘right’ to do whatever they want, big brother, etc. etc.
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In this case, because no one is telling the problem gamblers how high to set their limits. You could theoretically put in $1500 for an evening if you wanted to, no one is stopping you. BUT, you’d struggle to find someone willingly enter that amount from the get-go. That’s why some experts say mandatory pre-commitment is good.
Most gamblers lose lots of money not because they go to the pokie palace saying ‘oh wow, I can’t wait to lose $1500 tonight’! but because they lose it in dribs and drabs over the course of an evening as they fall into the addiction of trying to win it back.
So with this tech, no one tells you how much you can lose … only you do.
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Great explanation. Thanks Rick.
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Hi Karen,
why did the government tell you to wear a seatbelt. Because it killed some people and would have killed more if they wouldn’t have made it mandatory! Also nobody tells you how much you allowed to spent on the pokies unlike in Norway where the government sets the limit. Does that answer your question?
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Just because the government makes laws it doesn’t necessarily mean they are being big brother. We have all kinds of laws to protect people from themselves and to protect other people from them. I don’t see any negative from this new reform at all, all negatives are just exaggerations or lies made up by the clubs trying to protect their bottom line.
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this whole pokies gambling thing has never been on my radar, i have family and friends who have dealt with alcohol and drug issues, with sometimes fatal consequences but never seen first-hand the destruction pokies can do. i guess that makes me lucky.
i find it sooo hard to understand the attraction. i really feel for anyone who is in this predicament.
great post jenny, and thanks to gabriela for being so honest about it. it helps people like me to realise how important these new laws are.
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I don’t know anyone who has dealt with alcohol, drug or gambling issues. It never occurred to me that that made me lucky, but I’m certainly feeling lucky now.
I agree – Gabriela’s honesty is important in helping us who have never had any experience with any of this to understand. These new laws don’t affect me but they do affect lots of people (many more than I realised, in fact), and that makes them very important.
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Thank you for posting this comment – sometimes I wonder if the fact that I share my story honestly over many years does contribute to make people understand this issue better.
The more ‘real people’ would speak out – the less the industry can get away with stating that it is only a small number of uneducated addictive personalities that will never stop gambling
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As someone who has been ripped off by business people with gambling problems, who has seen them not only rip off their suppliers but their employees and the ATO and have watched their behaviour through their financial records, I say putting a daily limit on cash withdrawals on ATM’s inside clubs will go a long way to curbing this “in the zone” business.
I see it so frequently on a persons bank statement. At 1pm they withdraw $100. At 1.10pm they withdraw $150, at 1.30pm they withdraw $200 – and they keep going and the numbers get bigger until they empty their account.
Then they go home and go about their lives.
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Clubs Australia already has a plan for those laws.
http://www.news.com.au/national/clubs-australia-private-strategy-paper-calls-for-trailer-mounted-atms-to-circumvent-federal-governments-poker-machine-reforms/story-e6frfkvr-1226162190038
Trailer mounted ATMs that could be parked on the street across the road from clubs, so gamblers could withdraw more if they hit the ATM withdraw limit inside clubs.
Clubs Australia will stoop to nothing to get around reforms. They sleep on beds paid for by familes’ pain.
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gee what a bunch of charmers those clubs australia exec’s must be
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I used to work at a bank and I will never forget watching an apparently tough, burly man reduced to tears when he came around to get his home deposit converted to a bank cheque and I had to tell him the money wasn’t there and that on investigation it had all been withdrawn (in dribs and drabs) at club on his wifes card. For a moment I thought he was going to kill me, then I thought he was going to kill his wife and then he just crumbled and broke down in tears because he had saved so hard for his home and he thought he was about to get it and it had been ripped away from him. Get rid of all the pokies I say.
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what a nightmare.
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Oh my goodness. That is such a sad, horrible story. I will always remember that now…
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I was discussing this with someone just last night! From what I have read, some people have an ‘addictive personality’. They are more likely to become addicted to things. The key is to channel that addictive personality in positive ways, so that they become ‘addicted’ to something that doesn’t really hurt anyone (like rock climbing, or dancing, or jumping out of planes).
I’m not really suggesting we promote recreational activites at pubs and clubs instead of gambling, but I can see how replacing it with something positive would work (presumably before a negative addiction has set in).
What Gabriela Byrne’s daughter said to her is totally heartbreaking. I can’t imagine what it would be like to hear as her mother.
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A law is being introduced in Victoria banning ATMs from gambling venues; it will be interesting to see its effect
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Unfortunately that won’t make much difference in commercial areas where there are banks or shops with ATMs nearby. There are plenty of times that I have raced out of my local pub to use the Westpac ATM 40 metres away as that means I don’t have to pay the $2.50 transaction fee.
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I’m not sure if this actually happened or if it was just an idea but I heard about pubs putting those portable ATM’s (like those ones you have at music festivals on the outside of a truck) outside or on the street to get around this law.
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If you see my comment above, Clubs Australia have already commissioned trailer-mounted ATMs that can be parked on the street, getting around any ATM based laws.
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Thanks! I knew I’d read about that somewhere but couldn’t remember where
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My first marriage was destroyed by gambling..and what comes with it…the lies, deception, debt…it really is like having another person in your relationship…and when a relationship is designed for 2, the third person has to go! Unfortunately, I was the one that had to leave.
Thankfully in WA we only have pokies in one spot, the casino….however, I really feel for families in other states where pokies are so accessible. I can’t imagine how much more money we would have lost.
Any reforms making access to gambling even easier will probably not affect most families…but for those that are affected, the impact will be devastating.
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I will confess to being oblivious to this issue a few years ago. Didn’t really register. But the more I read about it, and listen to people who have been affected by it, the more it strikes me this is more serious than many of us imagine.
So we must do something.
Sure, the gambling industry provides a lot in ‘community benefit’ funds and taxes to state governments, but let’s look at it like this:
If poker machines were a man who ransacked and trashed thousands of houses and ruined families, even killed a few people, and then went and painted the sports stands at the local footy club and donated a bit of cash to the Government would we still sing his praises so highly?
I think not.
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what a brilliant analogy, Rick…absolutely nails the issue!
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Thanks!
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I was at work one day when a colleague came in, very distressed. They had just discovered that her sister had stolen over $100,000 from her work and lost it all on poker machines. They went through an absolute nightmare trying to sort things out, save the family home, keep her out of jail. I ended up leaving that job so I don’t know how it all turned out, but I do know that my colleague had no idea that her sister even played the pokies.
They are just so debilitating. I agree with The Whitlams lets blow up the pokies.
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I love that song. It’s sad, but excellent.
Pokies are so boring. I can understand an addiction to something more exciting and skillful (like maybe blackjack), but what is it about the pokies? Just the distraction factor?
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I hadn’t realised until recently that it was written in response to suicide of the original Whitlams bassist Andy Lewis’s due to his gambling. It just makes it all the more poignant.
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Oh wow, I didn’t realise that either. You’re right; it makes for a very poignant song indeed.
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Thank you so much for this brilliant article.
I’ve told my story here before, but I lost my Dad to a pokies addiction. He committed suicide when my youngest brother was just 8.
His troubles started with work stress too, and just popping into the club for a bit of distraction.
I never would have suspected he would be susceptible; tertiary educated, professional, intelligent…
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I am really sorry about your Dad. What a terrible loss.
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My mum was a problem gambler and though we all know about it, none of us ever speak about it. I know of at least two periods where she was out of control and my father was at the end of his rope with her. Luckily he manages our money so well that he noticed unusual activity and got down to the bottom of it…but I don’t think she ever went to counselling or got help, and I’m too afraid to ask.
There are so many reasons for problem gambling, I believe that my mum used it as a way of coping. I believe that she has often felt unappreciated by my dad and us kids. Her job as a nurse, which is very stressful, and her busy life as a mum probably contributed as well.
Gambling rips families apart. My dad considered separation but it never eventuated, and for that I guess we’re lucky, but the secret is still there and I do worry that it could happen again…any reforms that can help problem gamblers and their families will be supported by me.
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