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12 4 arguments against gun control and why theyre bogus.

Clockwise from top left: Dawn Hochsprung, Victoria Soto, Ana-Marquez-Greene and Emilie Alice Parker were victims of the shooting.

 

 

By ERIN O’BRIEN.

After the mass shooting of children and their teachers in the United States of America a few days ago, some may say it is too soon to make a political point out of a personal tragedy.

In reality, it is far, far too late. With the shooting deaths of 15 people at Columbine High School in 1999, 32 people at Virginia Tech University in 2007, 12 people in a Colorado movie theatre and seven people at a Wisconsin Sikh temple in the last six months alone, the moment to take action on the issue of gun control was before 26 people were shot to death by a gunman who also took his own life, at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut. The gunman’s mother was also found dead in her Newtown home.

Other governments around the world have learned from such tragedies. Australia’s government introduced strict gun laws after the shooting deaths of 35 people in the Port Arthur Massacre in 1996.

In the public debate on gun control, the National Rifle Association (NRA) and pro-gun activists rely on a few key arguments to justify an individual’s right to own firearms. But if you strip away the millions of dollars organisations like the NRA spend on selling these arguments, how persuasive are they?

1. ‘Guns don’t kill people. People kill people’

This sentiment is probably the best-known anti-gun control argument. But even on the most basic test of logic, it fails. The most that can really be argued is that people kill people, using guns. Pro-gun activists will argue that people also kill people using knives, but we don’t require them to get a licence before buying a kitchen cleaver. They also argue that people kill people using cars as a result of drunk or reckless driving, but we don’t ban automobiles.

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Mourners place flowers near Sandy Hook Elementary School after Friday’s shootings.

Drawing an analogy between a gun and a car, or kitchen knife, is truly idiotic. The purpose of a car is to provide transport. If someone gets killed in a car, it is a tragic accident. The purpose of a kitchen knife is to chop food products. If someone gets stabbed, the knife is being used incorrectly. If someone gets shot with a gun, the firearm has fulfilled its purpose admirably.

If guns are so incidental to the act of killing, why then do we arm soldiers? Should we not instead send them into battle with a drunk driver, or perhaps a ceramic carving knife?

2. ‘… the right of the people to keep and bear Arms’

The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution declares that “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed”.

The NRA relies so heavily on this argument that they have established an organisation called the Freedom Action Foundation to lobby in support of Second Amendment rights.

This amendment should not necessarily be viewed as an automatic right to carry an automatic weapon. The constitution was created following a war of independence where citizen militias rose up against an oppressive state.

In this historical context, it is understandable that the right to bear arms in order to fight for freedom would be deemed necessary. Centuries later, could a “well regulated militia” simply mean a police force managed by an elected government?

Or does it mean that individuals should carry automatic weapons and stockpile nuclear warheads just in case one day they need to overthrow the government? Surely the opportunity to bloodlessly vote them out every four years makes the purchase of grenades and rocket launchers somewhat redundant.

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This has to be one of the most heartbreaking images from the aftermath of the shootings.

3. Shooting and hunting as an important cultural activity

In Spain, bullfighting is an important cultural activity, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t cruel or highly dangerous. The right to sports shooting seems to have particular strength in a country where in 2006 US Vice President Dick Cheney shot a friend in the face on a hunting trip, and was as popular as ever.

Introducing strict gun control does not, however, need to mean the end of sports shooting. Australia has an active sports shooting culture, where athletes can access weapons through licensed shooting clubs. But do they need to keep these deadly weapons at home? After all, elite rowers don’t keep a racing eight in the driveway to get in some extra training on the weekend.

4. Owning a gun will keep you safe

This is the biggest lie of all. Many gun owners are very capable of acting responsibly. They can follow procedures like locking up guns, and keeping ammunition separately. The NRA will even educate children on what to do if they find a gun! None of this changes the fact that people who carry guns are nearly five times more likely to be shot than those who don’t carry guns. Gun owners are also in the dangerous situation of having their weapons used against them by a member of their own family.

Gun owners may feel that if weapons are going to be available on the black market, then they should be able to defend themselves. But with an average of 230,000 guns stolen in property crimes every year in the USA, with 80% of these never recovered by the police, the proliferation of weapons in homes simply fuels the amount of weapons in the community.

Safer without guns.

In a country where it seems that just about everyone has a firearm, gun control is essential, but won’t be an immediate fix. Sweeping gun reform, and even a constitutional amendment, will not prevent gun deaths in the short term. Attitudinal change to accept the reality that we are safer not with, but without, guns will take a generation.

In the meantime, it won’t be long before someone suggests that the Sandy Hook tragedy would not have occurred if only every teacher carried a gun. This is the worst argument of all.

Erin O’Brien does not work for, consult to, own shares in or receive funding from any company or organisation that would benefit from this article, and has no relevant affiliations.

count 4 arguments against gun control and why theyre bogus.This article was originally published at The Conversation and has been republished with full permission. You can read the original article here.

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  1. Sarah

    How come people only think America needs gun control? How come we don’t look at other countries?
    Mexico, who shares a land border with the US, actually has very strict gun control. They’ve also had 60,000 people murdered in the last 6 years. All the criminals have guns, regular citizens have nothing to defend themselves with. Mexico is an absolute war zone. Every day, people are slaughtered in the streets, and the 60,000 is just what the govt kinda admits to. It’s estimated that’s about half the number of actual dead, since most people are simply “disappeared” and are in a mass grave somewhere.
    Why don’t people call for gun control in places like Africa or the Middle East?
    If you live along the Border with Mexico, and you’ve got cartels and gang members all around you, wouldn’t you want a gun in your house, so you could at least try to defend yourself?
    Oh, and the Mexicans don’t just use guns. There’s a plethora of youtube videos showing all kinds of implements the cartels use to mass murder people. If you can stomach it, look for “the killing of dos chapos”.
    Even if you take guns, someone bent on killing someone will do it.
    Also, is it more tragic when a bunch of people are killed at one time, versus something like the Snowtown murders, where a bunch of people died, but it was over a period of time? Many serial killers kill just as many people, but they don’t use guns.

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  2. Karen

    If you choose not to be a gun owner that’s fine, that is your right. I choose to have guns because I believe in a woman’s right to self defense. I have a legal permit to carry a concealed gun and frequently do. I refuse to be an unarmed victim of rape, assault or robbery. I drive an old vehicle and I don’t want to be a sitting duck for criminal opportunists when I’m stranded on the road, waiting for the tow truck that probably won’t show up for an hour. Even new cars break down and I would still carry a gun. Illegal drug use and the crimes that result, like robbery, bugarly and home invasions are common. America is teetering on financial collaspe and when that happens, there will be rioting and mob violence, just like Europe. The police get to the scene AFTER a crime has been committed. I choose to be prepared for the worst and hope for the best. If I never use my guns for self defense, great. But I want to be PREPARED to fight for my life if I have to. I don’t have a problem with Americans owning “assault weapons” and in light of the Anti Second Amendment Democrats planning more gun CONtrol, I am considering buying one myself because they are starting to resemble tyrannical government.

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    • Kris2040

      Your argument makes no sense. If there is going to be rioting, won’t it be better if there are less guns around?

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      • Lulu

        Oh Kris, stop spoiling the party with your logic talk.

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    • Bec

      It seems sad to me that you live in constant fear of what ‘could’ happen. Where on earth do you live?!

      I’ve never considered that if my car broke down I would be a ‘sitting duck for criminal opportunists’…

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    • Amandarose

      Fear has muddied your mind. Australians happily go about their lives without guns- just sensible precautions. If your car is that crap sell your guns and buy a reliable one. f adult guns are banned the chances of you getting held up with one are also reduced.
      This way of thinking is so alien to me and cannot be good for your mental health with all that fear.

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  3. Truth

    When you can tell me how you are going to stop criminals purchassing guns on the black market which are being brought in through the ports and post as well as being manafactured in peoples shed then I’ll listen. Until then you know nothing and have no answers.

    You mention gun control in Australia, load of crap. Here we have only had 2 gun massacres and this was for years with next to no gun control. Since the gun bans we haven’t had any massacres but we have shootings every day. You can not turn the news on without hearing about drive by’s. Also 220 glocks were caught coming in through the post, you can’t tell me that is the only person who has tried to get them through. Also a man was caught making and selling automatic rifles in his shed. No telling how many hundreds he sold.

    Also have a look at places such as Canada and New Zealand. They have virtually got identical gun laws to America with no where near the crime rate. And Switzerland, every house with a male over 18 has to be armed. Every house is armed yet very low crime rate.

    Pull you heads out of your arse and realise the issue is far more complexed. Just how does removing guns remove the nutters who use them?

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    • Mum of 2 cheeky monkeys

      Perhaps the idea is that a change in gun laws will reduce accessibility of killing machines in a culture where violence is glorified at every opportunity, and over time could even affect cultural change. And in any case, how is it not better to at least try to make changes to protect the lives of innocent people, including children.

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    • Anon58

      The shooter in this case was not a criminal, but a young man who had problems. We don’t know what set him off. It could have been an argument with his mother or something else.
      If his mother hadn’t had guns in the house maybe he wouldnt have gone to the school at all. Criminals always have access to weapons. We are discussing the danger of everyday households having an arsenal of weapons. If they weren’t there he couldnt have used them.

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  4. Bree

    I simply do not get WHYanyone would actually WANT and/or NEED a gun in there house. Crazy

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  5. Julie Rijk

    Well said, I do not understand why any family would need an automatic rifle or any gun for that matter.

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  6. Anon.

    Oh my goodness, Stephan. YOU are ignoring the “salient facts” that massacres simply DON’T HAPPEN in countries with GUN CONTROL. I’ve got a great idea! Why don’t we arm the children? That’s an even better idea! They can carry a little handgun in their backpacks and when the bad guys pop into the classroom we can have a free-for-all shootout in the classroom. The statistics on ACCIDENTAL shootings are horrific- Fathers accidentally shooting their kids, siblings shooting siblings after finding the parents guns….

    Egypt managed to overthrow their government through people power, not through their citizens owning weapons. Stephan, why don’t you look at countries with gun control (like Australia, for instance) and see how they operate? I’m pretty darn sure that if you held a referendum here tomorrow as to whether the general populace believed we needed to bear arms against each other, the answer would be a resounding NO! We live with general optimism that we won’t need to overthrow our govt through use of firearms, and we feel SAFER knowing that people are walking the street without concealed weapons. Look at the STATISTICS on death by gunshot in different countries Stephan, and the anti-gun lobbyist really don’t need to say another word. IT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF.

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    • Sarah

      Norway anyone? Massive massacre. Strict gun laws….

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      • Kris2040

        How many others have they had though?

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  7. Guest

    If you think taking guns from good people like me who has a valid CCW is the answer your wrong.. Only make”s everyone a easy target for another senceless crime. Guns are not the problem, the problem is people obtain firearms illegaly by commiting other crimes! take for example the “War on Durgs” heroin, cocain,and meth are all illegal drugs! They are unfortunitly available in every city in the US.. Their here cause the criminals simply DO NOT FOLLOW THE LAW’S.. Do you think out lawing guns criminals will all of a sudden begin to follow the laws? If so your are ignorant. leave guns in the hands of good citizens. More focus on keeping them outta the wrong hands!

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    • Lulu

      If there weren’t *270 million guns* in the hands of ‘good citizens’, it wouldn’t be so easy for criminals to get hold of them. Fewer guns available = fewer guns available for criminals.

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      • JJ

        So you really think that limiting the number of guns will keep them out of the hand of criminals? You anti-gun fanatics are really delusional.

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        • Lulu

          No, I’m not delusional – gun fanatics are in denial. Where do criminals get their guns from? Unless they’re putting together some home-mades in their backyard, their guns are most likely to come from legal manufacturers (and often legal sellers). If the market for legal guns was smaller, the legal manufacturers would be making fewer guns.

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  8. Siobhan

    Great and very well-argued points.

    I have been waiting for someone to come out and lament the fact that the children weren’t carrying guns in their school backpacks, so they could have had the opportunity to defend themselves. I would bet that somewhere, someone in America thought this yesterday…

    This is a huge problem that has to be addressed immediately, but I think it’s hard for any of us outside the US to fully understand the national psyche when it comes to guns. I just can’t get my head around it, and I think it’s going to take a LOT to change the thinking of many Americans, even in light of this tragedy…

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  9. Stephan

    1. “If someone gets shot with a gun, the firearm has fulfilled its purpose admirably.”

    Correct. That ‘someone’ could be a madman trying to kill children. Sounds like a gun could be quite useful.

    2. Centuries later…

    Sorry, but this is simply false. Armed citizens are necessary for freedom from tyranny. This applies 24/7, not once every 4 years and in every age that people live in. What an idiotic argument to think that freedom can be relied upon by any government just because you have elections.

    3. Shooting and hunting

    …are not what this is about. Diversionary and irrelevant.

    4. “None of this changes the fact that people who carry guns are nearly five times more likely to be shot than those who don’t carry guns.”

    The source of that study leaves out the salient fact that shows that the criminal is about 75x – 100x more likely to get shot by someone lawfully defending him/her self with that same gun. Note that it does not refer to legal guns.

    So, I can only speculate as to what would happen to that if you adjusted that statistic to not include criminal acts. Methinks it would probably be completely different, so it is utterly invalid. It is so typical of the anti-gun lobby to skew the evidence to suit their pathetic arguments.

    5. “In the meantime, it won’t be long before someone suggests that the Sandy Hook tragedy would not have occurred if only every teacher carried a gun. This is the worst argument of all.”

    No, it is the absolute best solution and you are foolish to believe that criminals and madmen will not just continue to ignore the laws and have a field day with the innocent population.

    It is mindsets like the one above that facilitate this kind of thing just happening again, and again, and again, and again. All of these mass shootings seem to happen in so-called ‘gun-free’ zones. How’s that working out?

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    • anon

      Ostrich, head, sand.

      Go figure.

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    • Faybian

      Yours is the type of thinking that is proving why guns are not necessary in every household across the country.
      Someone provided an excellent link about gun ownership across the world and the percentages of guns implicated in murders. I suggest you look at it.
      Citizens in other countries manage to go about their daily lives without seeming to need the reassurance of a gun, I would suggest you’re living in fear….

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    • Faybian

      Sorry, brain not awake yet, I thought you were arguing the case against gun control. The bulk of your comment does perfectly illustrate the thinking that the NRA loves.

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  10. Marijana

    So very sad for the families of those murdered.
    I definitely agree with this article and think that America needs to change their gun laws ASAP.
    However every time there is such an incident over there, I think for myself: America is a country of cowboys and sheriffs and it will take generations to change this attitude, if at all.

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  11. Jane

    At 8am this morning I dropped my 3 year old son off at childcare and thought about how horrifying it was for those mums who never got to pick up their child again. I can’t imagine the pain they are going through. LOSE THE GUNS AMERICA BEFORE MORE INNOCENTS ARE KILLED.

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  12. Lou

    Aren’t we lucky that we can sit back and discuss the car v gun debate, safe in the knowledge our children are still with us….
    Like pharmaceuticals, where our diseases will be manageable, not cured (No money in a cure!) there is too much money to be made with guns, for them to change much of anything……

    How sad it is that WE are our own worst enemies…

    In the arms of the angels, all who have lost their lives in this senseless, cold-blooded act of violence……may you find some comfort there….

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    • Anon

      “We are our own enemies” – so true. When my kids ask if monsters exist, I tell them that humans can be the worst monsters of all sometimes :(

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  13. Regis

    Thank you for articulating this so well, I will quote your thoughtful reasoning to any fool I come across who tries to argue otherwise. Well said.

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  14. Kel

    A girlfriend of mine living in the USA posted re: gun reform on Facebook. The first of her friends to respond suggested arming the teachers and another suggested it didn’t have anything to do with gun laws, it could happen ‘anywhere’ and ‘anytime’. These people have NO LOGIC! Can you imagine being a Kindy teacher with a GUN in the classroom? For you to use it effectively in an emergency situation, you would need the gun and the ammunition to be easily accessible! Which presumably means the kids could access it too! Do I want my 6 year old going to school knowing there is a GUN in the classroom? God no! In addition this situation could NOT happen ‘anywhere’ to ‘anyone’. This personality disordered nutcase needed to go no further than his mother’s closet (or something) to access a semi- automatic weapon that allows him to murder 27 children and teachers in minutes!! It could NOT happen here, simply because the vast majority of us would have no clue how to even access a gun and could never get hold of a semi- automatic weapon. The basic absence of logic is so upsetting and makes me despair that NOTHING (not even 20 dead innocents) will get through to these people because they don’t want to hear it. I am SO GLAD to live in Australia.

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  15. Yeppa

    ‘Guns don’t kill people. People kill people.’

    Well, put it this way – if I’d had access to a gun at various points in my life, I would have committed suicide. But I didn’t. So I’m still here (I could never slit my wrists or jump off anything). Plus, I got better and now everything’s fine. So there you go. Guns definitely make killing a lot easier.

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    • Kate

      Glad your still with us yeppa! Praise The Lord for our wonderful and safe country. And I have no words worthy of expressing my devastation for all those affected in this tragedy.

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  16. Anonymous

    I guess America giving up its gun culture is as likely as Australians giving up their drinking culture!

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    • Joanne

      That may be so, but many people now drink light beer and drink responsibly if they are going to drive – a long way from the way my father and his peers behaved when they were young. Change can happen you just need to make it happen!

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    • Joanne

      Australian drinking culture has altered dramatically since my father was young. Many people now choose light beer and most drink responsibly when planning to drive. This was not the case a generation earlier. Change can happen, it just takes the brave to make it happen!

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      • Anonymous

        Yes alot more people drove drunk before.05. Now clubs are open til five for people to drink themselves sensless and the spill on to the streets fighting and waste police and hospital resources which has become a huge problem.

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    • Giraffe

      Anonymous step away from TT or ACA and their hype up schoolies stories and the like about Australia’s drinking culture – if people actually opened their eyes and bothered to look at new socialising trends they would see there is dramatic change in this ‘drinking culture’ and attitudes towards it. I could easily say the same for the portrayal of Americans in any American move – eg Redneck with a 6-pack on the passenger seat of the pick up while driving, the frat moron puncturing the beer and chugging down in a competition, keg-stands, beer bongs, the rich housewife of whereever and the endless bottles of wine/bubbly etc etc.. shall I go on?

      There will always be people that abuse – regardless of it being a substance or a product or location!- do not lump us all in one thanks!

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    • Guest

      I don’t have any stats but I think Australia’s drinking culture has changed a lot over a generation or two. When I was a child and my step-father engaged in drink-driving – he literally engaged in drink-driving. We couldn’t set out on a trip to the next town (about 100kms away) unless he had a cold 6 pack with him and he would drink it while driving. I can no for the life of me imagine that happening now.

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      • Kris2040

        Yeah, from my experience and observations, people drink differently to even 20 years ago, let alone dad driving home pissed from after work drinks.

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  17. Anon58

    Home of the Brave. Yeah right!

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    • Bec

      I think the teachers who protected the children they teach are the definition of brave…

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      • Anon58

        I agree with you. There are exceptions.

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  18. A country bathed in blood

    God forbid Americans give up their right to murder their own children with guns! It’s in the Constitution!

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  19. Debbie

    An opinion from someone who grew up in a house with guns.

    My dad owned several guns, a couple of pistols and some rifles. He was a recreational shooter and was a member of the local pistol and rifle club – even traveled around Australia competition shooting before my parents were married. One of my earliest memories is watching my dad at the rifle range with gigantic ear muffs on my head to protect my ears.

    I knew that there was one rifle in the broom closet, but I knew that I was never to touch it. I didn’t know that Dad had 4 other guns in other places around the house. I didn’t know that they weren’t loaded, and that the bullets were kept in a totally different place. When I opened the broom cupboard and saw it there I felt it’s severity – it was always an object I knew never to play with.

    After Port Arthur, my dad handed in all his guns and used the money to by a tow bar for the car. It was only after then that I learnt that I had grown up in a house full of guns – not just the one rifle I knew about. It’s a strange sensation.

    Gun control seems to me the most obvious answer, but I also understand that the US has a totally different culture to Australia. They feel very threatened by any infringement on their civil rights. So I get that this is a massive decision that will probably take many more years to happen.

    My heart goes out to all those affected by the recent shooting and though I am sure it will happen again I really hope it is a long time in the future.

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  20. JD

    Right to bear arms – sure. Why not the type of arms they were referring to in the Consituition. The document that was written in 1787. Go ahead, have a musket or a single shot rifle A right to a musket or a rifle (not a semi-automatic or a collection of handguns). And for all those people calling for their right to ‘bare’ arms, I’m taking that as your right to wear T-shirts!!

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    • Siobhan

      Some might argue that a lot of Americans shouldn’t bare arms either! ;)

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  21. Guest

    Not sure why my earlier comment didn’t see the light of day. Surely it wasn’t because I said something nice about John Howard? Even the most anti Howard activist must admit that he did something good in the gun ban or is this a stretch too far?

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    • Bunneh

      Yes, even as a Labor supporter I agree Australia owes a lot to the fantastic action Howard et al took in response to Port Arthur. The country is much better (and safer) for it.

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      • don't believe the media

        Actually Brian Brown and Christine Mills from the Greens lobbied endlessly for years in Tasmania for gun control with absolutely no support. After Port Arthur, Tasmanians woke up and passed the laws and then John Howard followed suit.

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        • Faybian

          and here I was thinking Brian brown was an actor….:)
          I think that’s bob brown just quietly.

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  22. chocolate aeroplane

    Thank you so much for putting this into words – I will share this with many, including my American friends.

    I lost a member of my family at Port Arthur. No family should have to go through that kind of heartbreak, but tragically we have seen this week that in America, many still are and far too often. There are no words to describe the grief those families in Connecticut are going through – it is utterly devastating.

    I wasn’t John Howard’s biggest fan but his instant reaction to Port Arthur in introducing gun control was in my view, the best thing he ever did and it worked. We have not had ONE mass shooting since then – not one. The results speak for themselves.

    Imagine if the American government had stood up to the NRA and introduced gun reform after Columbine? The endless list of tragedies that have occurred since may not have occurred at all.

    I really hope Obama is the one that finally does something – he’s tackling the healthcare issue (such an important factor in this from a mental health perspective) but gun control is imperative in fixing this – anyone who tells you differently is delusional.

    Peace to all and bless those little angels, now resting safely and peacefully.

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  23. Nicole

    The documentary ” Bowling for Columbine”, shows just how ingrained the gun culture is in America. Nothing is going to change, because there are not enough voices to drain out the incessant, loud, ramblings of the NRA. Sadly, this tragedy won’t be the last.

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  24. K

    Im living in SF, been here 7 months and I am completely disgusted, shocked,devastated about what has happened. You know what I just heard on the news – guns and ammunition are FLYING off the shelves as a result of the shooting. I have decided that this country is made up of complete nutters. Both my kids are in elementary school here. I had been using the words ‘safe’ and ‘community’ and ‘quiet’ etc to explain my new home but you know what, that is the words that they are using to explain Newtown. It will never change, Obama, as much as I like him will do nothing, its all just noise that he’s making. It will quieten down and then get forgotten until the next one. Thats what happened after Aurora. Ive been here 7 months and there has been 4 mass shootings – 4, did you get that??!! And on the weekend some complete idiot shot up to 50 bullets into a crowded shopping centre on a busy Saturday morning down around LA (no-one was killed) bet no-one heard of that in Oz. And the other thing, in Australia I have NO IDEA how to buy a gun but here I can drive 500metres down the street to the local sports store and buy a semi-automatic weapon and they will throw in a free hunting knife and extra bullets if I’m lucky. Or just go to Walmart – Walmart is the same as Big W, can you imagine getting a gun from Big W, pick up some nappies, bonds singlets and a semi-automatic weapon. Ok, enough, rant over!! Sorry!

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    • G2

      Yes it’s hard to comprehend how so many people can support gun ownership. Almost 50% of Americans. Just a massive deadlock in mindset. Where can that go?

      An excellent post by Roger Ebert, after the July massacre, could be re-printed now, with no changes but the places and names:

      http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2012/07/the_body_count.html

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  25. victoriab

    I’ve just moved home after living in the States for 4 years and heard every single one of these arguments from colleagues and friends in the wake of the Aurora massacre in July. This type of thinking is so ingrained in the culture and ethos of a country where the constitution is considered symbolic of what makes America the ‘greatest nation on earth’ (I’m paraphrasing here, not my opinion) and thus worth protecting at any cost. Even in the wake of yet another tragedy, I’m really questioning whether it is possible to act on gun control in a meaningful way.

    I also believe that this is a hugely complicated issue that goes beyond just gun control. Young adults like the CT murderer are mentally unwell and living in the midst of a society that not only glorifies violence through TV, film and video games but has a practically non-existent public healthcare system to support those who need a bit of extra help.

    It is also a society that propels these individuals into extreme notoriety. I cannot believe how much the media focuses on profiling the murderer — their life, their family, their images splashed around the world for everyone to see. It should be illegal to reveal the identity of these people (the same way it is illegal to report on methods of suicide in Australia). The fame and notoriety of these individuals, in my opinion, does nothing for anyone except feed the national fear and encourage more disillusioned and disenfranchised young adults to make horrific choices, all the while making it even more devastating for their poor family left to live with this shame for the rest of their lives.

    It is all so very sad. It starts with gun control but there is so much more work to be done afterwards.

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    • Kris2040

      I totally agree about not saying their names. It is exactly what they want and they deserve no such attention.

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      • Astro

        I’m not sure they all want notoriety – after all about 90% of mass murderers go on to kill themselves before capture. Pretty pointless act if you want infamy from the act. Now serial killers – they generally love the PR from their acts….

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        • Kris2040

          They still go down in history and a blaze of glory (in their heads) for doing it. So don’t mention their names.

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  26. Julia

    I’m proud that Australia has its gun laws and therefore a low incidence of gun related tragedies, but living in the country I know how people feel about guns. It’s not a view I share, but people got pretty emotional at the thought of their beloved guns becoming landfill after port Arthur. Multiply that by who knows what and you can only imagine how those gun loving yanks would arc up. I pity anyone tackling this one. It should have been dealt with fifty years ago.

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  27. Victoria B

    I’ve just moved home after living in the States for 4 years and heard every single one of these arguments from colleagues and friends after the Aurora massacre in July. This type of thinking is so ingrained in the culture and ethos of a country where the constitution is considered symbolic of what makes America the ‘greatest nation on earth’ (I’m paraphrasing here, not my opinion) and thus worth protecting at any cost. Even in the wake of yet another tragedy, I’m really questioning whether it is possible to act on gun control in a meaningful way.

    I also believe that this is a hugely complicated issue that goes beyond just gun control. Young adults like the CT murderer are mentally unwell and living in the midst of a society that not only glorifies violence through TV, film and video games but has a practically non-existent public healthcare system to support those who need a bit of extra help.

    It is also a society that propels these individuals into extreme notoriety. I cannot believe how much the media focuses on profiling the murderer — their life, their family, their images splashed around the world for everyone to see. It should be illegal to reveal the identity of these people (the same way it is illegal to report on methods of suicide in Australia). The fame and notoriety of these individuals, in my opinion, does nothing for anyone except feed the national fear and encourage more disillusioned and disenfranchised young adults to make horrific choices, all the while making it even more devastating for his poor family left to live with this shame for the rest of their lives.

    It is all so very sad. Gun control is the first step but there is so much more to be done afterwards.

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    • Siobhan

      You make an excellent point about the fame and notoriety that is bestowed upon these people in light of such atrocities, and I agree that it should be against the law for the media to reveal their identities or anything about them. The promise of being remembered (whether you are caught alive or dead) is a big part of the appeal for many of these individuals, I think. If you’ve felt anonymous, ignored and disenfranchised your whole life, what better way to gain some much-wanted attention than by taking several other people out with you, happy in the knowledge that your name will be plastered over the front of every paper in your country, if not most of the western world…

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  28. phoodietweets

    EXCELLENT article Erin.

    I’m still in shock over this one.

    Here’s another great read from The New Yorker –

    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/12/newtown-and-the-madness-of-guns.html

    Phoodie

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  29. Anon76

    It’s easier for us in Australia to say it’s a no brainer to tighten or reform guns laws after such an incident as we don’t have such an ingrained ‘gun culture’ like in the US.
    I totally agree with all your comments, and as a primary school teacher my heart broke when I read about all these little babies and their teachers who were callously murdered by some unstable boy with a desire to be ‘somebody’.
    It makes me sick to hear the pathetic arguements the NRA trudge out after every shooting and if you’ve ever seen Micheal Moore’s ”Bowling for Columbine” you’ll see the sick kind of propaganda they perform in the wake of such events.
    I don’t believe any US government today would have the courage to begin any major gun reform. I think they would see it as political suicide. The NRA is very powerful and very persuasive and I seriously doubt we’ll see major reform any time soon.
    I do believe though people could begin it themselves, just on a small scale. They could start by getting rid of their personal weapons. They could just stop buying guns and ammunition. They could petition their local stores to stop stocking such things and make a real community effort to make their children safer.
    People power is a strong and powerful force and it doesn’t have to be aggressive or violent. Someone just needs to get the ball rolling.
    RIP the 26 Angels of Newtown.

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  30. Lindy

    I strongly agree with this article. I have always held the opinion that guns only have one purpose & that is to kill. I guess sport is the exception, but I don’t think they use Glocks etc for clay target shooting.

    To add to point 4, how many stories are there of small children finding a gun in their home & shooting themselves or a sibling or other family member? Too many.

    By making guns less accessible it would significantly decrease the amount of deaths caused by guns. The case of Australia the stats following our gun ban discussed below speaks for itself. I know I’m much more happier living in a place where the chance of being shot while going about your buisness is much lower thanks to our strict gun regulation.

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  31. Kellie

    I saw someone suggest that teachers carry guns in the early hours of Saturday morning our time, on twitter. Imagine a classroom with a loaded gun (because it would have to be ready wouldn’t it?) Bloody ridiculous :(

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    • fightofyourlife

      I’ve seen that suggested several times over the weekend. It’s one of the most insane ideas I’ve ever heard floated. I cannot believe anyone would think the solution to gun violence is more guns, especially in a country with as much gun violence as the US.

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    • Kris2040

      I commented on my fb that to get my teaching degree, I shouldn’t have to pass “Saving your kids’ lives” or “Shootin 101″. Ridiculous ideas – I hope they’re appearing and getting sillier because they’re scraping the bottom of the barrel now and know change must happen.

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  32. Cinnamon

    This is an interesting site that shows the gun ownership and gun homicides murder map of the world -
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/interactive/2012/jul/22/gun-ownership-homicides-map?CMP=twt_gu

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    • Anon58

      Wow. That map blew my mind. How on earth could anyone try and get rid of 270,000,000 guns? This is a disaster. Keep safe.

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  33. Cinnamon

    Words can’t even explain how unbelievably upset I am over this last incident… I can’t stop thinking about this poor little kids and their parents, families, friends etc.

    As someone who has been living in the U.S for over a year now it just blows my mind how many times I’ve heard and read the above reasons (sorry excuses) from people to keep the gun laws as they are.

    Within a day after the Conneticut shooting, 10 people were shot and killed in Chicago, on Saturday a man in Indiana was arrested with 47 guns who had planned a mass shooting at an elementary school.

    THIS happens EVERY DAY here… people get shot and killed EVERY DAY but most of those people go unheard of.

    Some people say they need a gun for self-defense, well Adam Lanza’s mum had 6 guns in her house… how come she wasn’t able to save herself?

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    • lala

      Why? Because her mentally ill son – whom she herself had taught to shoot at shooting ranges – had taken her guns to arm himself for the purpose of murdering… that is why.

      The other comment I keep seeing to ‘explain’ the incident by some Americans is that it is because God / religion has been reduced or removed from schools. But in the same breath, they say guns are fine, just fine, and we should be protecting the ‘rights’ of Americans to privately own them. Do they really believe bible study at school would have helped the shooter?! Are they aware he was home schooled, so religion in schools would make no difference, or are they saying their God is punishing society via this tragic incident?

      How many children must die for the ‘rights’ of recreational hunters to own automatic or semi-automatic weapons, and for their right to easy access of guns and ammo – e.g. at Walmart? Imagine if our mentally ill could buy guns and ammo at Big W or Kmart. Crazy.

      When I first visited the US in 2001, I remember waking up on my first day there in Missouri and over coffee and donuts for breakfast, hearing that a crazed armed gunman was on the loose that very minute in the nearby woods having killed his wife already the night before, and goodness knows who else. Daily events? You betcha.

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  34. Neeks

    It appears the words “gun control” are a trigger in US politics. I have seen an infographic that I found very interesting (hopefully attach to this post successfully) which shows responses to specific questions about gun control. When Americans are asked if they support “gun control” in general terms the majority say no. However, when you break it down into specific gun control policies you find there is actually much more support. For example, above 80% of those surveyed supported background checks for gun ownership and no guns for felons or the mentally ill, above 70% support mandatory gun registration and above 50% support the ban of semi automatic weapons and high capacity clips. What is that if not gun control?

    (The info came from the Washington post but I won’t link due to spam filter)

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  35. Adversus Solem Ne Loquitor

    You can’t argue that the car analogy is not apt. It is still analogous and saying it’s not because of a primary purpose as opposed to the unequivocal possible outcome is misleading.

    Cars don’t kill people; people driving them do and in far larger numbers than firearms. We don’t call for bans on cars.

    People will continue to kill people. Guns out of the equation will not stop the congenital problem which is mental.

    What we are talking about is risk mitigation, which is effectively a form of rights negation i.e take rights to save lives.

    Better moral policy might be to look outside the box and focus less emotionally on the root of mental health and latent psychosis. Also it may be prudent to contemplate how we could make public guns more illicit without touching private home gun ownership as so.

    Nothing will change until intelligent debate puts an affable solution to all parties. Rhetoric and low debate will not suffice.

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    • A gun gives someone the opportunity to cause mass damage and death in a way that a car or kitchen knife never could.

      There are plenty of people who are mentally unwell in Australia, yet we have no mass killings…why? Because those people DON’T HAVE ACCESS TO GUNS. It’s so bloody logical, I shake my head in disbelief that some people don’t get that!

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    • Kris2040

      Cars aren’t designed to kill people. Guns are. What is so hard to understand about that?

      If there are less guns around, then it is harder for nutcases to get their hands on them. If someone really wants to kill someone, they’ll figure out a way, true. But taking the weapons to do it away does make it harder. Have a look at the link below.

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      • Bec

        Not only are cars not designed to kill people, millions of dollars goes into research and design each year to make cars safer, to make it harder for them to kill and injure people. I wonder how much money goes into r&d by weapons manufacturers every year to make guns MORE effective at killing.

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    • Lulu

      “Cars don’t kill people; people driving them do and in far larger numbers than firearms.”

      You have left out the effect of what statisticians call ‘exposure’. For example – Last year, fewer people died by going over Niagara Falls in a barrel than died in traffic. Therefore (by your logic) cars are more dangerous than going over Niagara Falls in a barrel.

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      • Adversus Solem Ne Loquitor

        I’ll address your argument in that you more than the other commentors failed to not only read my context but added Argumentum ad logicam to the mix.

        You’re arguing proportion right?

        So is it not logical to look at something analogous in that outcomes of a dangerous nature still are a valid analogy. The argument of “exposure” is nil, because it favors my ideal.

        By my logic you didn’t read my comment at all, added to it and drew a false conclusion you are unable to back up.

        Really, so what if cars are not design as their primary function to kill. False premise – Not all guns are used to kill, in fact less than 1% of guns kill anything.

        So Lulu who is using fallacious proportions?

        If we are talking about prevention, then you are more likely to die from a car than a gun, why is it so hard to skip this point Kris?

        Deaths by car are acceptable losses to people who would otherwise refuse to give up their right to their favorite form of transport. So in moderate talk we speak of reducing danger whilst keeping cars.

        This is the problem with trying to pick holes in reason, it’s fruitless.

        Death is death is death.

        The fact remains unless a solution appeals to both sides, going round in circles trying to gain moral superiority is adverse to the cogitation needed to find a common ground.

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        • Lulu

          The point is that less time is spent with guns (and by fewer people) than is spent in cars.

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          • Adversus Solem Ne Loquitor

            The point is that less time is spent with guns (and by fewer people) than is spent in cars.

            That is true. The grim reaper doesn’t discriminate though.

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        • Kris2040

          How many people have used cars to massacre people?

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    • Anonymous

      It doesn’t matter how mentally unstable somebody is: if they can’t get access to a semi-automatic firearm, then they can’t do the same amount of damage. Why is this so hard for the “cars/knives/drugs also kill” to grasp? A firearm like the one this killer used made quick work of lots of little lives. It’s a no brainer to ban those weapons. Anybody who argues against… jeez, how do you sleep at night?

      Also, on the issue of hunting being considered a “sport”: unless the deer are armed, that’s not sport. It’s just target practice.

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      • Adversus Solem Ne Loquitor

        “It doesn’t matter how mentally unstable somebody is: if they can’t get access to a semi-automatic firearm, then they can’t do the same amount of damage.”

        I agree, if you read my full comment you would see that I called for a medium solution. My comment was in relation to what I considered to be a point of something else which I also believe stems the usefulness of finding a solution.

        It’s amazing how fast the “everything on this side of the debate is right and everything on the other side is wrong” group start building arguments against things that moderates DON’T say.

        I want to ban cars, it will save a hundred thousand lives – Anybody who argues against – Jeez, how do you sleep at night.

        It’s all cognitive dissonance.

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        • Anonymous

          Looks like you really enjoyed undergrad.

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          • Adversus Solem Ne Loquitor

            Touche, well argued!

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    • Josephine Fraser

      The car analogy is fallacial for several reasons, not least that the government takes steps and enacts new legislation to protect the public, whereas I’m gathering there is next to complete inaction on guns. The requirement to wear seat belts, maintain acceptable blood/drug alcohol limits, a pantheon of road rules, age restrictions, licence tests shows the government’s willingness to protect, and highlights the entirely different situation with guns in the US.

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      • Kris2040

        And people howl about the changes like drink driving limits and seatbelts, and car seats for kids, yet manage to cope. Why would gun control be any different?

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  36. goose

    “Guns don’t kill people. People kill people”.
    Did anyone read on the weekend about a crazy man in China who attacked a primary school? He attacked kids with a knife. 22 kids were injured. BUT ALIVE (well as far as I saw in this weekend’s reports).
    And there is the difference. The intent was probably the same in both cases, but in the incident when the guy didn’t have a gun, NO ONE DIED.
    Now try and tell me that “Guns don’t kill people”. Of course it is the people behind the gun with the intent t kill, but guns make it loads easier to actually act on that intent.

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  37. Amandarose

    Out of interest does anyone know the stats for gun death in Australia? Has gun reform helped? Just curious and too busy to google it right now.

    Why anyone would want a gun that mows people down is beyond me. I get people having one on a farm or to go hunting etc but not those designed for killing people.
    Will change to law make a difference? Or do people have to change themselves?

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    • Kris2040

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2704353/

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      • Amandarose

        Thanks!

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      • Stephan

        That study is not worth much because it only refers to firearms violence. Without the total deaths by violence that might’ve been prevented by carrying a defensive weapon (ie. gun) it has little informative value.

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        • Kris2040

          Are you suggesting that the figures of say, bashings, would go down if there was more access to guns? Interesting, um, logic there.

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        • Guest

          In a speech given by John Howard at a function hosted by George W Bush in the US in 2010, John Howard quoted studies by two US university-based research organisations, confirming that there had been no increase in Australia in non-gun-related violence since the 1996 reforms. I will post the link to media coverage of that speech if I can find it. SMH, if I recall correctly.

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    • Zepgirl

      Yeah, they were talking about it on Sunrise this morning. In the fifteen years before the Port Arthur massacre we had thirteen mass shootings (defined by four or more people being killed in the one incident). The US had 33 in that same period. Since Port Arthur we’ve had no mass shootings, they have had 41. Pretty sure those were the numbers, happy to be corrected. Not sure about single fatalities.

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      • Kris2040

        That’s in what I linked ^.

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        • Zepgirl

          Yeah, I read it and saw that! Glad I seemed to have remembered the numbers right. Love your work, Kris.

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  38. Lulu

    ‘Guns don’t kill people. People kill people’

    Eddie Izzard: “The National Rifle Association says that, “Guns don’t kill people, uh, people do.” But I think, I think the gun helps. You know? I think it helps. I just think just standing there going, “Bang!” That’s not going to kill too many people, is it? You’d have to be really dodgy on the heart to have that. “

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