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What is Australian politics coming to when our alternative PM and two of his most high profile female shadow ministers appear in front of semi-literate hate mail?  Last month, Independent Tony Windsor revealed he’d received death threats. Now this? Broadcaster and comedian Meshel Laurie wonders how low one must go, in pursuit of the highest office in the land. She writes:

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“I think there’s an apostrophe missing from your little sign there, Sir.  Did you mean to call the Prime Minister “Bob Brown’s Bitch”?   Or did you mean to tell the alternative Prime Minister and accompanying media scrum, “Bob Browns Bitch” ?

I mean, “Bob Browns Bitch,” literally means that a bloke called Bob, turned a bitch brown, doesn’t it?   Which bitch?  The “Witch” bitch your mate’s upset about?  How does he even brown bitches, this Bob?

Gosh!  It doesn’t bear thinking about.  I can see why you’re so upset.

I mean, I’m quite upset myself at the moment.  How could I not be when bitches are paid less than men doing the same jobs, bosses want to ask bitches in job interviews if they intend to have kids, bitches are bombarded with unrealistic images of other bitches in the media.

Blimey!  What hope have we got when bitches are so outrageously under-represented in Australia’s boardrooms?  Joe Hockey says when the Libs are back in Government they’ll introduce a quota, and force corporations to hire bitches.

*Sigh* You’re the only one who really gets us little Joe.

Tony Abbott, father to three daughters and Bronwyn Bishop, mother to two daughters including Channel 10’s Angela Bishop (who is in my opinion a brilliant broad) and Sophie Mirabella (mother of two daughters and two step daughters) represent the Liberal Party in Australia.   When they allow themselves to be photographed looking like this, it’s hard to believe that the man who founded the Australian Liberal party, Robert Menzies, said at the time; “We took the name Liberal because we were determined to be a progressive party, willing to make experiments, in no sense reactionary, but believing in the individual, his rights and his enterprise…”

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The letter from Bob Brown to the Prime Minister, apologising for the nature of the protest signs.

Had I not seen this picture with my own eyes, I would not have believed that these three educated, sophisticated people who believe themselves to be in possession of all the virtues required to lead the rest forward by their own example, and to represent us to the world, would stoop so low.

How could they encourage this depth of ignorance, mysogony and aggression to frame the debate about how we as a community will cope with climate change and the impending disappearence of fossil fuel?

Progressive?  Experimental?  In no sense reactionary?

Prime Minister Gillard, for her part, fronts the Labor Party which purports to stand for “ equality, social justice, compassion and the fair go at home and abroad”, which must be confusing for gay people who can’t marry like straights, but can be taxed like them and those seeking compassion on Christmas Island.

What makes me sad is that I don’t think these “leaders” believe what they are saying about any of these issues.  They are trying to guess what the majority of Australian voters want them to say, and when they hit on a golden nugget, they say it as loudly as they can, at every opportunity to drown out all the things we don’t want to hear.

The one who gives us what we want most, and the least of what scares or irritates us, wins.  Their name in the history books is their vane little prize, and we are the dice they try to spin their way.

As for you Sir, with the sign, I do have one more thing I’d like you to know: I’d have been tempted to pop a hyphen in the “Juliar” too.  I’d have gone, “Ju-Liar”, just to make it really clear that I was calling her a bitch, and a liar, and it wasn’t another grammatical error.  Then again, what would this bitch know about anything?”

It’s been pointed out by many that the Greens risk being called hypocritical for condemning this type of abuse of the PM while they were seemingly untroubled by depicting John Howard as a dog when he was PM.

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John Howard as a dog during a Greens protest

It seems things have certainly cranked up a notch and having a female Prime Minister really seems to have given some people licence to behave in abhorrent ways. What’s happened to Australian politics recently? Has it gotten worse or are we just on edge in a hung parliament? Is Julia copping it worse because she’s a woman? And what did you think of the protesters and the Liberal participation in the anti carbon tax rally?

Regardless of her policies or which side she’s on, I do not want Australia’s Prime Minister called a ‘bitch’ or a ‘witch’. Just like I wouldn’t want Julia Gillard to stand in front of signs calling Tony Abbott a ‘dickhead’. It demeans us all.

Tony Abbott last night issued a statement saying he regretted the language of some protestors and did not endorse offensive signs at the rally.

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    Katie

    Here’s my thoughts on this article and this situation:

    Supporting sexism is not acceptable in politics. It is unacceptable whether you’re left or right wing, male or female, PM or Leader of the Opposition. It is unacceptable no matter how strongly you disagree with policies or how they have been presented. By standing in front of a sign that uses sexist language, Tony Abbott is complicity supporting sexism, and that is unacceptable. He should absolutely apologise, as should any civilized person.

    For that matter, supporting any form of discrimination that is explicitly condemned by law is bad behavior bordering on bullying and has no place in politics in a democracy such as ours.

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    Claudia

    Great piece on the Drum http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/45688.html if anyone is interested.

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    Lisa

    Go Tony!
    about time someone stood up for people that DONT think we should have a carbon tax.
    FYI Australia only contributes 1.4% of carbon in the world maybe some of you left wing people do some research on the real carbon polluters of the world

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      Rick Morton

      See, Lisa, this is precisely what we need on this issue. Actual debate about the carbon tax itself. Not leaders standing in front of signs calling the PM a bitch. That’s the whole point…we can have an intelligent debate without resorting to that kind of 3rd year stuff.

      It seems a lot of people want the debate and I say bring it on.

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        Anonymous

        The problem with debating carbon tax is no-one really knows what is all about. And when anyone tries to explain, we switch off and fall asleep because its such a boring subject. I think. Because, as I said, I don’t know anything about it. Who can explain it QUICKLY without boring us into not listening?????

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      Grant

      True Lisa, but per capita Australia is one of the worst offenders.
      Personally, I think we need to clean up our own backyard and look to cleaner alternatives for power generation for the sake of future generations.
      A carbon tax may help achieve this but who knows, the government can’t explain it properly and the opposition policy is unexplainable.
      (Go far away Tony!)

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    jennome

    Why is Julia Gillard copping all the flak for breaking an election promise when Ted Baillieu in Victoria is breaking them almost daily? No one’s villifying him.

    And just wait until Barry O’Farrell starts breaking them, as he surely will.

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      Lulu

      “when Ted Baillieu in Victoria is breaking them almost daily? ”

      Oh hell yeah.

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      Kris2040

      It was the Libs who started the non-core promises with the introduction of the GST that was never ever going to happen, wasn’t it?

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        Heléna

        John Howard went to an election with the GST, and won – he had a mandate before the GST was introduced

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    mermaiddonna

    I must be a bit slow but it took me 2 days to realise that Juliar was meant to mean Ju-Liar and not poor spelling.

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      Lorry H

      Actually her name should read “j-YOU-lIAR”.

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    for real?

    Go Bob! I love that you practise what you preach

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GuSj5DdKmfA

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    Anonymous

    You can see Julia and co are afraid of the CO2 debate when they try to deflect our attention to a couple of signs that it now appears were thrust into camera range after the speeches got under way.
    Compare their shrillness to John Howard when effigies were burnt,swastikas painted on posters etc, they just got on with the business of the day.

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      Bellamelb

      Again (as said many many times below), it is the fact that Abbott stood in front of that sign, thereby validating the position that the Prime Minister is a liar and a bitch that is the issue here.
      Other protests have had similarly angry placards and effigies, however I’m yet to see any evidence or footage that a political leader stood in front of the signage whilst delivering a speech to protestors.

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        Anonymous

        What is wrong with the truth!

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    Happymum

    Yes – the people are pissed about the carbon tax.

    Julia only got elected on the promise that “There will be no carbon tax under a Labor Government”.

    Now we have the big backflip from her party as they need to bring that massive debt under control to get the budget in surplus by 2012. The mining tax failed the economic vandalism test and the carbon tax is the same, but the little people will hurt – not the large polluters and mining industry.

    The cost of this tax will be passed down to the little consumer already struggling to live now.

    I think we need to preserve our environment. There has been too much thought go into a tax and not enough about finding clean energy. I would prefer that my money went into a wind and solar fund to make the switch from coal fired power stations. We should be building many more dams to support out populations needs.

    Don’t get me started on Coal Seam Gas too. They say it is a clean, natural energy source. And it is not.

    Not when it will taint the only water supply we have in our dry interior (The Great Artesian Basin). We will be in a world of trouble if we do not stop all gas mining until they find a completely safe and harmless way to extract the gas.
    The government does not care about food security or water security and these are the biggest things to hit us all in Australia if they get fucked over by bad decisions.

    They are short sighted and opportunistic – and I mean all of the political parties. They are only in there for a few years and then they don’t care what happens to the rest of us picking up the pieces and sifting through the rubble long after they have departed the building.

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      An Idle Dad

      While your statement is well thought out and raises great poitns, can I just say that Julia didn’t get to form government based on that promise.
      The Four Corners video of the fifteen days of negotiations with the three independants clearly shows the swing factor was the NBN. Labor’s broadband policy won them government.
      Plus the two independants who went with the Gillard government both agreed that climate change required action.
      Just remember, we have a hung parliment – if the two independants didn’t agree with the government on a carbon tax, it won’t pass and probably wouldn’t even be on the table now.

      Everything else you say is fair enough, but Julia’s ability to form government was in no way based on a promise not to introduce a carbon tax.

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        Anonymous

        Froming a government was her issue.She had a choice.

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      suki

      Happymum, I would absolutely expect revenue raised by the carbon tax to go into green energy development.

      My response to this statement “The cost of this tax will be passed down to the little consumer already struggling to live now” is yes, we will pay more. Everyone will pay more. It is a price I am happy to pay rather than continuing to pass the buck onto the next generation/s.

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    Lauren

    My parents were at the rally (we don’t agree on the merits of the carbon tax), but they witnessed first hand, those holding the “Ditch the B!tch” placards appear suddenly behind Abbott while he was speaking. They were NOT in place before he commenced his address. He did not know they were there. The guy holding the big one with fire on it was later interviewed attesting that he deliberatly hid his placard until the media got into place & Abbott started speaking.
    My parents were very frustrated about the media’s portrayal of a very small minority who took it too far, overshadowing the message they say middle Australia was calmly, legally and respectfully trying to get across.
    Again, my parents and I certainly don’t always agree on politics, but to have the debate about an incredibly important issue with potentially very serious long term implications degenerate to debate about a few idiots using inappropriate language, at no time endorsed by Abbott or the Liberal party is disappointing. Particularly, as you point out, when John Howard encountered similar inappropriate criticism over a long period, but such equally offensive slurs didn’t dominate Parliamentary debate.
    It should be seen as it was, a few people who took it too far without the endorsement or even the knowledge of Tony Abbott. Why are we giving name calling by a few idiots so much air time when there are such bigger issues to be discussing?

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      Happymum

      I totally agree with you Lauren.

      It was said yesterday on the news that those protesters with offensive signs were asked repeatedly to bin them.

      These protestors didn’t get rid of them and instead of the issue being about carbon tax, we get two days of media coverage on what the signs said.

      Can we have a discussion about carbon tax instead of vilifying Tony Abbott every time he walks out his front door?

      There are much bigger issues at stake than “Did he endorse those signs by standing in front of them?”

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        Tania

        Yes, you’re right. The fact that he chose to stand shoulder to shoulder with Mirabella and Bishop shows a lot more about his lack of judgement!

        Where was Hockey? Or Turnbull? Or even the Deputy Leader of the Opposition?

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    Claudia

    Another Liberal stuff up, Annabel Crabb posted this this morning:

    Sophie Mirabella’s recruitment processes bear fruit once again: http://tinyurl.com/4zaro72

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    Di Pearton

    No, there needs to be more respect in the parliament and in public life (and in private life),more tolerence and listening. Otherwise only the toughest of bullies will want to be in public life. These are generally narcissists, even with narcissistic personality disorder, toxic personalities

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      MBK'sMum

      Couldn’t agree more. During question time I see grown, educated adults behaving in a way I would never allow my children. If our politicians can’t be respectful of each other, then what chance future generations? Already there seems to be a loss of respect for police and ambulance officers. I find that sign offensive, and a new low for TA if he intentionally stood in front of it – and it’s got nothing to do with my political leanings.

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    Etta

    let’s keep it to the policies, not the personalities.

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    Anonymous

    I am usually a Liberal supporter, but over the last few years I’ve heard Tony Abbott say and do silly things regarding women and their rights. It is for this reason that I did not vote for Liberal last time around as I personally don’t like Tony Abbott. The accumlative comments that have been made by him, must stem from his core belief otherwise, he would just stop doing/saying those things. If that is his opinion about women, he shouldn’t be in the job. We do make up half the population afterall! No-one should be referred to as a bitch, however, no-one should be referred to as a dog either….

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      for real?

      Why don’t you ask the women that have worked for him for more than 10 and 15 years for him. They should know how they have been treated by their boss. I don’t think they would stay if he was as you say

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        Bellamelb

        Yes, but if you can’t judge a political leader by how they present themselves and the things that they say (scripted or otherwise, thanks for that gem Tony) then what are you meant to judge them on?

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        Katherine

        Are you saying that some of his best friends are women? Oh, well that’s alright then.

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      Steve of Queanbeyan

      What? You think Tony Abbott should have told his daughters “Go and screw your brains out”? Have you told your daughter to do that? Do you think that having this “liberal” attitude is better than encouraging your daughters to not be promiscuous? Remember, he was asked specifically what he would tell his daughers about sex before marrage.

      As for the rest of his so called mysogenist statements, they are also twisted by the left to make him the “mad monk”, someone to be derided, someone to be feared. I can see that working, what’s his personal rating this week? :)

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    Anonymous

    There is too much polical correctness. When you’ve had enough you need to be able to call a spade a spade. And if some one can’t stand the heat, they can get out of the kitchen. If one can dish out then they need to accept the returns.

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    STeve

    Can anyone provide DNA evidence that Tony Abbott has fathered children?

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      Happymum

      What on earth are you talking about???

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    Teen

    I’m not as concerned about the name calling as Tony’s endorsement of it. Politicians have always been the butt of this kind of discrimination – I didn’t get upse tabout John Howard being referred to as a dog, it would be hypocritical of me to get upset about Julia being called a bitch.

    But I don’t think that politicians supporting that, and obviously endorsing it by standing in front of it on a podium is acceptable.

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      Evey

      I think the difference between calling Howard a dog and Julia a bitch is that “bitch” is personally derogatory and calls into question her personality and sexual habits – in the case of the sign “Bob Browns Bitch [sic]” the image is particularly offensive and you could even say it has overtones of rape.

      But you’re right – the really offensive thing here is that Abbott, Bishop and Mirabella were seen to endorse it.

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    Kelly

    I’m about as left as they come in my views but there are morons on both sides. Extremists, antagonists, haters and bigots.

    These here are some right-wing morons. Abbott shouldn’t have stood with them. End of story. I think this is no more a reflection of the broader views of the Australian Right than some of the extreme things said from the Left in the past.

    Now, I don’t AGREE with a lot of what comes from the Right, but they’ve sure as hell got a right to think and say what they believe. And I’m sure most of them are perfectly able adept at framing their views without resorting to petty name calling.

    Abbott should have exercised better judgement than to be photographed with a few loonies behind him perhaps, but honestly – that’s about all I take from this.

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    Shannon

    I’ll have to keep this short and sweet since I’m only allowed 10mins of Facebook/Youtube/Mamamia time every 12 hours before my site-blocker kicks in, so I’m only going to weigh in a little on the “sexism” debate.

    I don’t find saying “ditch the witch” to have really crossed a line in any meaningful way. I do disagree with the heading for this article saying “Ditch the bitch” because I find it misleading as it suggests there was a sign that said “ditch the bitch” when there wasn’t. I find using “bitch” in that way offensive and were it on a sign I’d agree that it wasn’t appropriate at all. But that wasn’t how it was used.

    As for “Bob Brown’s bitch” that’s not the same at all as calling someone a bitch in the regular sense. It’s suggesting she isn’t independent and that she bends/will bend to his will; people frequently say this about men, too, so I don’t think it’s fair to call this a feminist argument as I don’t think that’s necessarily true. People (in my circle, at least) said it about Howard and Rudd, saying, “We’re going to Afghanistan/not getting out of Afghanistan because Howard/Rudd is America’s bitch”.

    Is it respectful? No. I certainly wouldn’t write it on a placard and I don’t think it’s nice for anyone else to do that, either. But I think we need to draw a distinction between calling her a bitch (in the sense that would have been meant by saying “Ditch the bitch” and which I would strongly oppose) and calling her a bitch in the sense of saying she is being controlled by someone else.

    I don’t agree with the signs, but I do disagree with the sexism argument that has come up here. I don’t believe any of this was in good taste, but I also don’t believe it was sexist.

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      Jennifer

      ‘ditch the bitch was written on the back of several t-shirts worn at the event- as shown on televised images and has been widely reported as being the chant shouted by numerous attendees. Hence the title of this piece is not in anyway misleading.
      The term “bitch’ used in the Bob Brown poster has very clear sexual connotations and is used as a reference to what is essentially a sex slave in male prisons. It would be considered to be highly offensive by most people.

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        Shannon

        If that’s the reference they were making, they should have mentioned that in the article. Since the article was about the signs more than anything, that’s the issue I was addressing (also because my siteblocker stretches to news sites, I’m unfamiliar with other coverage – until tonight this article was all I’d seen on the matter). Though I’m not too sure what you expect TA to do about shirts and people voicing their own opinions? Should he just tell them all to shut up/get their kit off? Do you think they would listen? =S

        It was the “ditch the witch” sign that I said hadn’t crossed the line. I never said that calling her “Bob Brown’s bitch” wasn’t offensive – I clearly said I disagreed with the sign – I simply said that it wasn’t sexist.

        After all, if you’re going to point out its origin as a term to refer to a sex slave in a male prison (a relationship I didn’t think I needed to articulate, though I did allude to)…I want to point out that the sex slave referred to is male. As I said at the top of my post, I was arguing that it wasn’t sexist not that it wasn’t offensive. Therefore I expected that what I wrote would be read in context as a discussion on sexism. It seems you have confused my argument somewhat. :)

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          Jennifer

          You seem to be suggesting that because the term “bitch” as in to be somebody’s bitch, originated in male prisons that it is therefore not sexist. Nothing could be further from the truth. The misogyny and sexism is implicit. The term is used because it’s unequivocally female. They don’t say “dog”, which is male, nor do they use something gender neutral, or something from the military say, bat man. They use the word bitch. The act of submission and the compliance involved in becoming somebody’s bitch is equated to females. So far from not being a sexist term, I would argue that because it is used by one male towards another male, the sexism is heightened, not lessened.It is more insulting because they are be named as feminine. And of course it comes attached with the associated violence of male rape.
          So if your circle of friends wants to use it, fine. That’s quite different to writing a placard, in gory red letters, then holding it up in front of television cameras. The intent was to cause maximum offense.

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            Shannon

            What I am saying is this: in my experience most people use that word, in that context, to be offensive rather than sexist, not offensive and sexist concurrently. There I agree with you – it was intended to cause offence. But where the word “cunt” has sexist origins, many people use it to simply be offensive without considering its origins. It’s origins, while relevant, are not always indicative of the intent behind present use.

            That is what I am arguing. You are more than entitled to find it sexist but I personally don’t find that it was necessarily intended to be sexist because it has fallen into common usage with non-sexist intent. That is my opinion and the opinion of many other women (and men) I associate with. Hence, I am offering my opinion and interpretation of the signs. Please respect that just as I respect your right to be offended by it for being sexist.

            I, on the other hand, am offended by it because of what it is more commonly intended to mean (these days): that someone is easily dominated, etc. Since, as a woman, I choose not to be defined as someone easily dominated and treated like a slave, I don’t identify with the term ‘bitch’ in that way. I don’t find it to be a reference to me; perhaps that is because in my age group and social circle these things are said with totally different motivations behind them. There were women at the rally chanting “Ditch the bitch” and I seriously doubt they intended it to be sexist against themselves.

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              Katie

              The concept that women can’t be sexist against themselves is inaccurate. Continuing to use sexist or otherwise hateful language to denigrate others is damaging no matter who’s using it. There is an overwhelming amount of sexism against Julia Gillard in this country, which is appalling.

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    Karz

    Whether it’s the word DOG or the word BITCH – either way it’s not a pleasant way to refer to another human being! Let’s respect each other peoples…..keep it clean and talk about the actual issues at hand, the policies etc. Personal attacks are just not on.

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    Anonnnnn

    I’ve stuck up for you in the past but your constant ‘Mia is out to delete my comments woe is me’ devils advocate aka troll comments are starting to get really, really annoying.

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    anon

    Yeah, the same thing has happened on the baby thread. Don’t know who’s in charge today but I think they’re getting a bit carried away.

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    Lana

    Bradley, read the comment rules. And stick to them or we will continue to delete your comments.

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      Erin

      Hi Lana,

      I cannot seem to find my comment… It wasn’t offensive in the slightest!

      Hopefully you can help me out as to why it is gone.

      Thanks,

      Erin

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        Lana

        Erin, sometimes when an entire thread is deleted some innocent comments are “killed” in the process. Really sorry about that

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    Bowerbird

    I can’t really decide whether this was abject stupidity, or whatever the audible and blatant version of dog whistling is.

    Either way I think it will be fascinating to see how long the Liberals hold on to him for. It says a great deal about the party.

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      rainbow

      i think it is clear cut dog whistling.

      tony abbott wants to appeal to the far right, wants to be seen with pauline hanson and climate skeptics. he wants that section of the community behind hime

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      missk

      Get rid of him now. He’s done his job and now he just damaging the party.

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    missk

    Australia is a democratic nation, and we should all remind ourselves how luck we are to live in a country where we can demonstrate and openly and freely put forth our opinions on whatever subject we wish to demonstrate our general ignorance on.

    What I am absolutely gobsmacked about is how Tony Abbott continually places himself in these situations which do nothing but highlight his complete lack of self-awareness and utter lack of judgement, ergo his suitability to lead our nation?

    I wonder what his “mentor” John Howard has to say about his protoge’s behaviour? Like him or loathe him, there is absolutely no way on earth John Howard would have let himself be caught in this situation.

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    Rick Morton

    Hi everyone,

    Can I just put forth a friendly reminder to keep the conversation in the comments civil? We’ve had to delete a few posts because they have outright descended into calling people names and personal attacks.

    That’s not what we’re about here and it’s entirely the point of the argument. Remember, if you have a point to make it is possible to do it without insulting people. That’s the kind of debate we want in here because, as we say, debate is healthy.

    Now, I’m off to have a glass of water.

    Enjoy!

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      Lulu

      Dude, never mind civil – I’d settle for coherent.

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        Clare M

        Fab comment, Lulu!!

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    Browny

    If Gillard had children they’d be saying, ‘why isn’t she at home with her children?’ Clueless.

    Since when did believing in god become prerequisite for public office?? I am scared about where this country is headed. One’s religious beliefs should have no bearing on anything in OUR secular nation. The Liberals recently got caught out with trying to stir up a hate campain against ‘The Muslims’. The last time I checked, that is also a religion. Keep religion out of civil society.

    Abbot is taking his cues from the Right in the US. Good luck on that one, Ton, it isn’t doing them much good.

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    Sarah E

    Great article by Meshel Laurie, thanks for sharing it Mia.

    Personally, I find Tony Abbott completely off-putting. I try to be open minded about any politician and their views, but everytime he opens he mouth, every stunt he pulls just makes me sick. He appeals to lowest common denominator in my opinion. I have more in common with Tony than Julia – I’m married, have kids and I consider myself Christian. And yet, I would never want him to speak on my behalf.

    As for the people protesting the carbon tax, they seem to focus soley on the fact that Julia Gliiard lied. Not that they are upset about the tax itself. Not that they have an alternative to carbon tax, or a better idea of how to deal with the issue, just that she’s a ‘liar’. It seems to me that these are people who probably didn’t vote for her, and weren’t going to like her no matter what policies she put in place. And now they have something concrete to complain about. To call her a liar, a bitch and a witch. Which I find abhorrent. The debate has been highjacked and the focus seems to be completely off the issue of carbon tax. Atleast that’s what comes across to me.

    And to answer your question Mia, Yes, I think Julia is copping it worse becasue she’s a woman. So much comment in the media on her dress sense, her demeanour, even her accent for God’s sake! I am also really bothered by the obsessive focus on her marital status and lifestyle. Terms like ‘unmarried’, ‘childless’, ‘athiest’ are used to describe her in such a derogatory way, IMO. Bur really, who gives a sh*t whether she decides to pursue any or all of those things? We live in country where we as women are free to make choices about our lifestyle, who we live with, marriage, kids etc.. That should be a good thing!!

    The focus on these aspects of her life show that their is still such a mysogonistic undertone in our society, again IMO. So dissapointing and so demeaning to all us of who want some intelligent debate and dicussion.

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      sarah e

      you nailed it

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      Sally

      Sarah E nails it for me too. Spot on

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      rainbow

      very well said

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    anon

    The liberal party really is on my shit list after this. A bunch of misogynistic jerks if you ask me (and yes, women can be misogyinists, my mother is one, and she is mother to a daughter-me).

    I am sick to death of the word bitch being used as way to describe women. It’s degrading, utterly sexist, and in my opinion, is up there with racist slurs as one of the most offensive and ignorant things you can call a human. Unfortunetely, pop culture, the devil that it is, has now normalised the term as an “acceptable” alternative to woman, girl or lady. The more it becomes normal to call a woman a bitch, the easier it will become for violence and assualt to be passed as acceptable behaviour. After all she’s just a ‘bitch,’ something to be tossed aside and used up like an object.

    Fucking hate the world at the moment so sorry for the big rant.

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    Browny

    Um, calling a man a ‘dog’ is NOT the same as calling a woman a ‘bitch’. The connotations are simply not comparable.

    It is a vile thing to call any woman. Vile. These idiots of the right need to get a clue. They have a democratic right to protest but there is such as thing as civility. As George Costanza pointed out, ‘we’re living in a society here’.

    But then, what would one expect from the Right?

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      Bradley

      Yes, what would one expect from the right ?

      If only they could be as perfect as….the left, for example !

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        Browny

        We are talking about this issue NOW. Calling a woman a ‘bitch’ is vile and SEXIST.

        I stand by my description of the Right.

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        Tania

        Bradley give up the trolling and stop trying to cause divisions within the community here on MamaMia.

        It’s not a left and right argument – this is Meshel and a number of commenters here saying that vile language in reference to our PM is not acceptable.

        There are some things that should not be said especially in public.

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          Browny

          Not just because Julia is PM. It is just a horrible word to use for any woman. Whether it is Mirabella, Bishop or Gillard. It is SEXIST. There is NO comparable word for a man. I am tired of it. If enough fair minded people object to that work then hopefully it will be confined to its proper use; female dog. And NOT, woman with opinion.

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        Anonymous

        Here here Bradley, its ok when the left back in 1995, when the Union protested and they smashed up Parliament House. No one says a thing.

        Or when they call John Howard a muderer. boo hoo to them

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          Browny

          Once again, this is the level of debate we get from the Right. Boo hoo??? Um, please try to formulate a good argument and then come back and talk.

          … I know, I know, it’ll be a long time coming…

          1995 is a long time ago… and if we’re going to play that card, I seem to remember some men in balaclavas and dogs on the docks in Melbourne around about that time, too… and I think there was a Liberal GOVERNMENT in power then… correct me if I’m wrong.

          Stick to the issue…if you can keep up.

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          Lulu

          Parliament House was smashed up in 1995? I don’t remember that. And it’s looking remarkably well for a smashed-up building.

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            Look in the archives LuLu, its when the Union went on a rampage when they were supposed to be peacefully protesting. It was in John Howards early days of Government.

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              Browny

              It’s actually when a company (with the imprimatur of the Liberal government) tried to sack law abiding workers by employing SCABS to work the waterfront.

              I saw men in balaclavas and dogs… I saw peaceful, lawful demonstrating.

              And the proof?? WE WON!!! LOL

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          kiwichick

          wrong

          greg combet condemned it

          of course he was (only) a union official then

          not the person who supposedly wants to lead australia

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      suki

      “As George Costanza pointed out, ‘we’re living in a society here’.”

      Thank you Browny. Outstanding!

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      Erin

      Most derogatory comments are so over-used that they don’t phase anyone when they’re used. They just don’t have the same impact any more. That’s why the ‘c’ word is very popular these days. Coz it still elicits a very strong emotional response.

      Dog used to be a really, really horrible insult for anyone, as did bitch. But not so much now.

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    Clare M

    I used to be a Ministerial advisor: the Minister I worked for certainly wasn’t an idiot, however it was part of my role to ensure they didn’t inadvertently do something stupid or be used for a cheap media shot.
    Whether or not Abbott etc noticed the signs, their advisors should have stepped in. Media storms like this do noone any good.

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      Tania

      Thanks, Exactly my point! :)

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    Tania

    Mirabella and Bishop could certainly give Sarah Palin a run for her money for being extremists and distasteful women. Nothing progressive or small ‘l’ liberal about them. Menzies would be mortified!

    Anyone who says they can’t help which placards are behind them clearly hasn’t worked with politicians who are able to stage anything – including crowd shots. If it was an accident then Abbott, Mirabella and Bishop need to get new media advisers/senior staffers.

    As for those that wrote the placards – makes me want a carbon tax now – if I was on the fence before, I’ve jumped off with both feet into the pro-carbon tax camp. There is no way I want to be associated in anyway with such vile people.

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      welcome to the side of reason tania

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      Bradley

      How do you normally make decisions when the word “bitch” is not a part of the equation ? Do you toss a coin, consult Karen Moregold or play rock, paper, scissors ?

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        Tania

        Very funny Bradley (not) – now I know why your comments are being censored on MM if this is any indication of your patronising, trolling comments :)

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          rainbow

          it’s hard being right wing hey braddo???

          not that i’d know i am too smart for that

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          Tania

          If the word fits….

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          Anna

          Why do you even come on this site? Your disdain for all here is so obvious – are you just here to be argumentative?

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        Punkernickle

        Hey! Nothing wrong with coin tossing! I’ve used the method quite a few times for important life decisions, including which degree I was going to do, and it’s worked great for me!

        Also… isn’t Karen Moregold dead??

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    DrJoe Kosterich

    Time for a cold shower everyone. This is not new.The difference (in Australia) is that usually the left is dishing it out rather than being on the receiving end. George Bush,John Howard, Bill Clinton and many many others including Margaret Thatcher were subjected to similar abuse.
    In fact it has been going on since it ceased to be a hanging offense.You will not get away with this sort of protest in Libya.
    So whatever we may have come to there are people prepared to die to achieve something similar.
    Yes it is juvenile and offensive-it is meant to be.Yes the caricatures are designed to be offensive-anybody look at political cartoons in the paper and how politicians are drawn?Have a look at street protests in any European country and see how their leaders are portrayed.
    And the way politicians (on both sides)treat each other in parliament sends a message to everyone as to what they regard as an acceptable way to treat politicians.

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      Tania

      UMMMMM Clinton was targetted by the right wing….mercilessly. And have you forgotten Whitlam and Keating? They had their fair share of abuse. As did, internationally, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown…and now of course Obama. Have you seen Fox news? How about listening to Alan Jones and his cronies? Or read The Australian lately?

      Seems the right wing heap as much abuse as the left wing so your opening sentences are unfair.

      Think we can draw a line against using words like bitch and witch to describe our PM.

      When Latham used his ‘conga line of suckholes’ there were howls of derision.

      It is unacceptable. Full stop.

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        DrJoe Kosterich

        Maybe,just maybe if the politicians set a better example (on both sides)it would help.
        Very hard to know where to draw the line when it comes to political discourse. Free speech remains better than the alternative.
        You are correct about Fox news etc. In America the right is more rabid but here the left is usually worse-but not this time.
        As for Keating-he gave as good as he got.

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          Lulu

          “here the left is usually worse”

          Not in terms of media – there is no left-wing equivalent of Alan Jones, John Laws, etc etc on radio.

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            Bradley

            You obviously don’t listen to the ABC !

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              Browny

              If you don’t like the ABC don’t listen. We don’t listen to the Right wing media (though it is so ubiquitous that it is difficult to block it out). And I believe there have been enquiries after enquiries regarding the ‘bias’ of the ABC that have found…

              um, that there is NO EVIDENCE of said bias. The Right need to get some new arguments or please

              GO AWAY.

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              Tania

              Toddle back to 2GB now Bradley

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              Claudia

              Please, I’m fascinated to know – who is the equivalent of John Laws and Alan Jones on the left/ABC radio?

              I think my question will be conveniently ignored by Bradley.

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          Browny

          Calling a woman a ‘bitch’ is not the same as calling a man a dog.

          Stop trying to appear ‘reasonable’ by talking about ‘both sides’. The issue here is whether that kind of placard is a fair one for an, ahem, ‘honorouble leader of the oppostion’ to be standing under. And the answer to that one is NO.

          Stick to the issue at hand and stop trying to muddy the waters with your faux reasoableness.

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            Oh well,my bad for being reasonable.What a terrible thing to be in a discussion like this one.

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    Anonymous

    I am so disappointed!!! I saw the sign and Sophie Mirabella connected and was so hoping that this article referred to the obvious ditching of such a shallow, vacuous, reactive politician that shows absolutely no interest in representing Australian women. As a resident of her electorate I am constantly utterly embarassed by her behaviour.

    I wait in deluded anticipation for a time when the Liberal party starts debating the issues rather than using offensive bully-boy tactics which appears to solely rely on name-calling.

    Yes Mia it has gotten a lot worse because the Liberal party actually has nothing of substance to say on any issue related to climate change. It is much safer to hang in the playground being a bully than arguing the point in the parliament.

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      Same

      Oh my gosh I agree about SM, I’ve found her politics really nasty ever since the Republic debate and referendum in the late 90s….where I believe she stated she wasn’t doing it for the publicity as she had no interest in being a politician.

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      cac

      I do hope I’ve misunderstood you but my reading of what you are saying is that it would be perfectly appropriate to use the word “bitch” to describe Sophie Mirbaella because you don’t like her politics but not OK for the PM because you do. I recall the left used the phrase “ditch the bitch” re Thatcher without any apprent outrage from feminists or anyone else on the left. Whatever floats your boat I guess but it’s not what I might call a principled view. If I’ve misinterpreted your views please accept my apologies in advance.

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        just saying...

        Thatcher was quite a while ago now…

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    blair palese

    Thank you – it has to be said – over and over until it changes. It’s just not okay to head up a political party and be offensive, sexist, hate-filled and derogatory.

    Blair

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      Bradley

      I’m sure that both the Coalition & the ALP will take that on board, Blair.

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        Lulu

        I’m sure Julia is in desperate need of that advice, Bradley.

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          I think that she will, too, Lulu !

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    Amy Keep

    Love a good media beat up!

    Dislike the sign, completely inappropriate and distasteful.

    But how about we stick to the issues with Tony’s feet in his mouth, rather than where they have him standing??? Given, you know, he can’t control people waving placards and what they say or where they stand….

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      Browny

      Yes, Abbott can help where he is standing. He has eyes doesn’t he?? Or doesn’t he want to use them in case ‘it wears down the batteries’???

      If he’s too clueless to understand who and what he is addressing then how does the think he is going to run the country? *shudder

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        STeve

        Hopefully his best boy will return from Hong Kong and provide the dear boy with an opportunity to clear his name. As the song goes: “Wankers of the world unite, only we know what is right”.

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    suki

    The accusation of lying is a moot point. Once the parliament was hung, OF COURSE who ever formed government was going to have to introduce a range of measures that may or may not have been tabled as specific election pledges. That’s just the way it goes.

    Also, if you cast your mind back to Kevin07 a key platform of that election (and arguably what delivered KRudd government) was a pledge for action on climate change when the idea of Carbon taxes and ETS were just some of the possible solutions discussed at that time.

    So, to say that this issue has never been an election issue is politically convenient amnesia.

    We’ve already been there and done that, can we just get on with it please?

    PS use of bitch is obviously sexist and stupid for TA to align himself with. An injection of wit at these protests would be most welcome.

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      rainbow

      well said. julia made promises on what she would do with an elected labor government. she is now working with the greens and independents.

      she didn’t lie. just because you may not like what she is doing doesn’t make it wrong.

      if you ask me, the labor government took a big look at where they lost their votes and realised a huge number went to greens so it makes sense for them to move to the left on their policies as that is where their voters want them to be.

      christopher pyne said on q&a on monday that is julia had said she was going to introduce a carbon tax she wouldn’t be where she is now. i totally disgree i think it would have won her the election outright.

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        Tania

        Exactly…is every candidate meant to say “If I’m elected with my party in the majority, then here are my policies….. but if I’m elected in with independent support, then here are my policies…….but if I’m elected with Greens support, then here are my policies…..”? Imagine trying to get that across clearly to an electorate in 1 minute sound bites!!

        It’s ridiculous. Gillard is PM in a parliament where the balance of power is held by four independents and there is also a large Green minority – of course as a smart politician, she has to balance all that. The mandate for doing something about climate change came from the many Australians who elected Green representatives.

        I might not like minority Government but that’s Democracy!

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          Bradley

          Can you imagine trying to get anything out to most of the electorate in any time under 15 seconds ?

          Your average voter believes only what they want to believe. To ensure that they never give themselves an opportunity to see another point of view, they only read the press that supports their view and listen to commentators who support their view.

          Other opinions ? Forget it !

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            Browny

            Your average voter is US, Bradley. Stop with the patronising nonsense.

            The sign is disgusting. End of story. It offends ALL right (small r) minded people, ie, women and men.

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            suki

            Bradley speaks the truth here. Don’t think he’s being patronising, just telling it how it is in this instance. As you were.

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        Vuk

        Surpirisng to think of something like that

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    mere male

    Mia, it doesn’t help that we expect our pollies to behave like adults. That ain’t NEVER gonna happen. They are all just as bad as each other, and they all exibit bad judgement, due to the fact that most of them are total wallies……..

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      Not Perfect

      and watching question time in Parliament will confirm this persepctive!!

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    Bradley

    The sign references the PM as being the bitch of Bob Brown and therefore, The Australian Greens as well.

    It does not directly say “Julia Gillard is a bitch”.

    As I read it, the placard indicates the willingness of the PM to be the lackey of The Greens in order to stay in office.

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      AdventureMum

      In which case “puppet” is but one word that might have been more appropriate than “bitch”.

      If you still think dehumanising a woman by calling her a “bitch” is okay, then try calling your wife one and see how far you get ;)

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        Bradley

        I would never call my wife a bitch. She’s a lackey to nobody !

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          Anonymous

          I hope you’re not half as patronising and difficult to her as you are to so many on here.

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      jecoro

      Gold star to Bradley for stating the bleeding obvious. If the placard actually said “Julia Gillard is a bitch” it wouldnt be so offensive would it?

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    La Petite Chou

    Come back Malcolm Turnbull, all is forgiven.

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      La Petite Chou

      Do you know what distresses me about your arguments Bradley? Your incessant belittling, diminishing, discounting and reducing of the argument until all that is left is trollism and hectoring, snarky conjecture.

      And for what purpose, other than your own infantile amusement?

      I can’t imagine for one moment Joe Hockey appearing before those signs and addressing that mob or for that matter Campbell Newman, Ted Baillieu, David Cameron or John McCain. Conservative politicians they may be, with policy that I don’t necessarily agree with, but none of them have had to stoop to the lowest common denominator of vilification and hate-based kanting to get their point across.

      When politicians pander to lynch-mob mentality like this one, the only thing that happens is that their stocks fall. It also hardens the resolve of those voters who have until that time, been ambiguous, driving them away, not bringing them closer.

      Fear-based politics doesn’t serve anyone, politician or constituent, long term, a fact borne out by the fate of Hanson, Palin et. al. That this particular hate-based message is overtly laden with gender-filled hate is vilification, pure and simple. It has no place here, in this forum and it has no place in our national discussion.

      So Bradley – come back with a worthy argument, instead of your snipping and boorish commentary. Underneath your silliness I suspect a fine brain with a worthwhile opinion but you’d never know for sure – it’s such a damn shame you behave like a cyber oaf and deflect a more healthy discussion.

      Your loss, Bradley.

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    Not Perfect

    Oh dear. The world must be a pretty good place and not many things to worry about if protester signs get people worked up like this!!! Geez, what happened to ‘stick and stones’? Any politician who would be upset by insults should reconsider their career choice.

    There are always going to be extremists at such rallies, and this has just given a protestor or two their ‘moment of glory’, when really they should just be ignored and dismissed.

    Seriously, when such a fuss is made of these kind of things, I usually find it is because it is better to deflect the attention away from the ‘real issue’, mainly because it cannot be backed up by reasonable debate.

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      kiwichick

      the point is the placard is demeaning the office of pm

      abbott is sharing the same platform as some very extreme rightwing flatearther’s

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      Browny

      CALLING A WOMAN A BITCH IS NOT CIVIL.
      IT IS NASTY AND SEXIST. THAT IS ALL.

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    SH

    Yes of course he regrets the offensive language of the signs NOW, but obviously didn’t have a problem then or he wouldn’t have positioned himself in front of them.

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    Bradley

    When I see paint on Abbott’s hands and a photo of him making the offending sign…I’ll believe that he was responsible for the construction of the sign. When I see footage of Abbott placing the placard in the hands of the div standing behind him, I’ll believe him responsible for “product placement”.

    Would I accuse Julia Gillard of all sorts, if some div in the crowd held up a sign accusing Abbott of all sorts during a doorstop interview or whilst she addressed a rally ? No ! Again, I would demand to see the paint on her hands and a photo of her constructing the sign and footage of her placing the placard in the hands of the div.

    This is just another reason why I don’t form opinions based upon two minutes of footage from the nightly news.

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      Claudia

      He stood in front of the signs and said nothing about them at the time, he complicity supported them.

      He doesn’t need to have constructed the signs to support the message, he had every opportunity to say that he agreed with their protest but not with their message.

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        STeve

        Do you think maybe he can’t read? And Anal Abbott wasn’t there to interpret for him? Don’t blame TA, he has his limitations, but his handler was in Hong Kong.

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    Fedup

    First up I don’t condone the very disrespectful messages displayed in the signs.

    More tragically I think it is a very great shame that the media has made this about placades and not the issue that was being protested.

    Yet another lost opportunity to have some serious debate (whatever side you come from) about some very serious future policy for our country.

    We should all hang our heads!!

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    rainbow

    this photo was on the ABC news website.

    i am appalled

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      An Idle Dad

      Actually, I don’t have a problem with this one at all.

      Am I missing something?

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        rainbow

        the fake nose mainly, the red hair, the man dressed as julia.

        it offends me but i get your point. i am so infuriated by this whole thing.

        what upsets me more than anything is that TA and others were directing their message to a crowd at the rally and at home, and he was saying what they wanted to hear. he targets the lowest common denominator with this sort of carry on. it is one big dog whistle after another.

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          Bradley

          Would you have been less offended if a woman had been performing the parody of Julia Gillard ?

          Personally, I don’t mind a good drag act. And as drag acts go, this one isn’t that bad.

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            rainbow

            if it was meant to be humorous i wouldn’t care if they were male or female.

            the fact that it is meant to be nasty is what offends me.

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          Fair enough. I thought the nose was a Pinnoccio reference and blokes ALWAYS dress up as women, just need an excuse really.

          I certainly didn’t like Tony’s messasge in the vid or some of the placards, but this guy in the pic seems making his point in a satrical fashion, well within the right to protest without crossing the line into personal villification.

          Everyone has different limits, of course! I’m not saying you shouldn’t be offended – horses for courses.

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      Heléna

      wow! – so sensitive

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        rainbow

        wow!- so insensitive

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    Anna

    Standing in front of a sign that says that is bloody awful! I would like to think he didn’t know it was behind him, but that might be having more faith in politicians than they deserve.

    I think this quote from Meshel says it all: “What makes me sad is that I don’t think these “leaders” believe what they are saying about any of these issues. They are trying to guess what the majority of Australian voters want them to say, and when they hit on a golden nugget, they say it as loudly as they can, at every opportunity to drown out all the things we don’t want to hear.”

    I don’t know if Julia is copping it worse because she is a female. The men are pretty ruthless against each other – perhaps we are more aware of it because she is female though. She is certainly tough enough to take it – it would be hard to argue that she doesn’t give as good as she gets.

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    Rachel

    Tony Abbott’s only stand out feature seems to be his amazing ability to make himself look like a fool over and over again. He’s like a human car crash and it makes me cringe that that is apparantly the best the Liberals have.

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    Emma J

    Is Julia copping it because she is a woman? Did John Howard cop it because he was a man? I remember protests where signs showed him as a dog with a chain around his neck being led around by George Bush.

    Of course it goes without saying that some of those signs about Gillard crossed the line. Just like some of the things said about Howard crossed the line. There are extremists everywhere. But let’s not pretend it’s only the right wing that has it’s collection of crazies.

    Also, I found it interesting that Joe Hockey, Malcolm Turnbull and Julie Bishop were noticeably absent. This will hurt Tony Abbott and the Liberals in the polls. They were smart enough to avoid it, will there be a leaderships challenge in the future?

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      kiwichick

      malcolm turnbull is much too sensible to be linked with an idiot like abbott

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      Katie

      The problem isn’t whether or not people are attacking her more than male PMs. I don’t think they are. It’s that the attacks are frequently sexist in nature, which doesn’t happen with the male PMs. People should have the right to protest as much as they like as long as its peaceful, but there’s no need to resort to insulting anyone based on gender, race, sexuality, or religion. Go after their policies or personalities, the political beliefs they are espousing.

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    Heléna

    these protestors have every right to their expression, as those who protested against John Howard or participate in Sydney’s mardi gras have their rights to protest, however crudely

    http://blogs.news.com.au/images/uploads/how8_thumb.jpg
    http://blogs.news.com.au/images/uploads/how1_thumb.jpg
    http://blogs.news.com.au/images/uploads/how4_thumb.jpg

    given those images the rally yesterday has seriously and hypocritically been blown out of proportion, either condemn everyone, left or right or hold your peace

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      Bradley

      Well said !

      At last, a balanced point of view !

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        rainbow

        don’t you mean

        “well said! At last, a right wing point of view!”

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      Jayne

      I think the main thing people are upset about is not so much the message itself, but the fact that the leader of the opposition associated himself with it.

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    anon

    Australian politics has gotten has bad as the politians leading this country. Now they are *very* bad.