UPDATE: nrl.com has reported that the NRL Cowboys are not looking to sack player Robert Lui after he was convicted guilty of assaulting his girlfriend.
North Queensland chief executive Peter Jourdain said that the club will have to be prepared for criticism when he returns to NRL action, but that they have a duty to help the halfback.
The Cowboys acted swiftly to impose an indefinite ban on the 22-year-old after he pleaded guilty to assaulting his partner Taleah Rae Backo.
The incident took place following a Wests Tigers’ Mad Monday session last September and Lui was suspended by the joint venture.
He was then released to join the Cowboys after pressure from club sponsors and his desire to be closer to his family.
Lui is still being paid by the club, despite having played just one game this year and is training day-to-day with the team.
However, Jourdain said the troubled playmaker is undergoing daily counselling as part of a rehabilitation program, and won’t be rushed back into the side.
“It’s a process that needs to be worked through and we’re focusing more on his personal rehabilitation than when he’ll be back playing footy again,” Jourdain told AAP.
The National Rugby League has a very big problem and it’s one entirely of their own making. So far this year two players have plead guilty in court to the assaults of their girlfriends and mothers of their children. Both were particularly nasty, yet both of these men have a future in the game.
As a card carrying bloke, season ticket holder and life long fan, these men disgust me. And the games reaction to their cowardly actions is, to use footy terms, pissweak.
Yesterday Robert Lui was convicted of assaulting his girlfriend late last year after he came home from his team’s (Wests Tigers) Mad Monday celebrations.
According to the Australian:
“Lui kicked her in the temple and headbutted her. Lui entered the apartment via a balcony, pushed her in the chest, then dragged her by her hair to a mattress where he kicked her a number of times.
”He was trying to kick into the sides of me,” she told the court during sentencing submissions before Magistrate Glenn Walsh. ”I was trying to cover myself, that’s when he kicked me in the head. I was curled up trying to cover myself.”
Lui was found guilty of assault occasioning actual bodily harm, got a $2000 fine and has been given a two year good behaviour bond.
Bizarrely, Lui’s girlfriend still lives with him and they both moved to North Queensland where he now plays for the local NRL team, the Cowboys.
But did he also lose his job yesterday? Did the NRL take the ultimate action and de-register Lui so he can’t play for the Cowboys or anyone else this year? Nope.
All we got from the Cowboys was this statement yesterday:
“Before we signed Robert, we were aware of this pending charge and he admitted he had made mistakes in his life. Since Robert has been with the Cowboys, he has been an exemplary trainer, a fine contributor to our club and has clearly indicated he wants to make a fresh start with us.
However, in conjunction with the NRL, the Cowboys have decided to suspend Robert from playing indefinitely after he pleaded guilty today. The length of his suspension will be determined in due course with his rehabilitation remaining a high priority.”
It is yet to be confirmed by the club, but I understand he has been suspended, WITH pay.
The NRL should have deregistered Lui for at least the rest of the year by the time the sun went down yesterday. I think he has no place in the game.

Robert Lui in court
The second of these lowlifes who attack the women they ‘love’ is a player called Isaac Gordon.
He plays for the Cronulla Sharks and he plead guilty to common assault after threatening to kill his seven months PREGNANT girlfriend after his mad Monday celebrations last year.
Gordon got home at seven in the morning smelling of booze with bloodshot eyes. This was in the Herald Sun:
“He allegedly began verbally abusing her, saying: “Hit me, hit me. I’ll hit you back. It’s self-defence. I’ll kill you f…ing, f…ing, f…ing bitch,” the court documents state. He grabbed her by the chin and pushed her head against the wall. She grabbed his car keys and the pair wrestled … the accused bit the victim on her right hand.”
He too got a good behaviour bond and his now very ex-girlfriend successfully got a 12 month AVO against him.
Did he lose his job? Did the NRL even put out a press release statement? Nope.
Even worse his club boss GM Darren Mooney said “He is a pleasure to have around and never causes any trouble at all.”
What’s wrong with these people? Who cares if he’s a good bloke around his mates?
He attacked his girlfriend!
The NRL can’t have it both ways. They can’t put their players in pink socks for breast cancer and pink jerseys for ‘Women in League’ round if they don’t sack men like this.
The old boy’s media culture isn’t much better. Isaac Gordon hasn’t been mentioned since his court date and I’m the only one left talking about this on the radio. The blokes whispering wall of silence is up again. Lots of people telling me to stay out of domestics and some even trying to say nasty things about the victim.
I don’t care, this isn’t a rumour. Two courts found two men guilty of assaulting women. One the mother of his 6 month old child, the other 7 months pregnant.
These men are bastards and they have NO PLACE in the game I love.
But make no mistake I love the women in my life more and for them, the NRL must act.
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Paul Murray is the host of 2UE’s Drive Show in Sydney and can be seen Mon-Thurs at 9pm on Sky News.
Paul is married and is a proud Wests Tigers member. You can follow him on Twitter here.







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Great piece. Thank you.
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Goodness, I’ll have to take a wander over the radio dial and listen to Paul Murray. Good for him.
The ARL doesn’t just need supporters is needs players. It needs Mums to enrol their sons in league and drive them to their little league games. This isn’t going to help. I would definitely be steering a boy away from league.
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I couldn’t agree more Paul and have had this same conversation with my partner, father to my 1 year old son and NRL loving man. He too is disgusted by it.
Unfortunately it seems this is NRL’s way of sweeping a violent culture under the rug because, let’s face it, their not getting beat up so what’s the problem? ‘He’s me mate’ and ‘it’s between a man and his woman’ etc…is a very old culture that remains in these you-scratch-my-back-i’ll-scratch-yours industries.
It makes me sick to the stomach hearing of these incidents and knowing only to well that nothing will change. The NRL may as well take an add out in the paper that says, ‘We don’t care if you beat your wife, just as long as you get people to our games, the TV ratings are solid and you make us money.’ I’m sure if those elements went south things would change!
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I totally agree and am happy to spread the word about this! I have long disliked Rugby League specifically due to things such as this. I have a 3 year old son who will no doubt want to be a part of this game one day – it’s terrifying. Let’s hope the NRL can find the courage and set higher standards.
Thanks Paul for giving this issue a voice! I admire your courage!
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I’m with you Manfeen. My wife &I also avoid NRL for this reason. Advice on getting your son disinterested: we have a 10 y.o. and have found if you TOTALLY avoid the footy he seems to lose interest pretty quickly (no-one to talk to at home about it!). Plus we tell him golfer’s earn waaay more money lol
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Fantastic article, Paul. I admire your passion on the topic and hats off to you for standing up for your beliefs.
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Get rid of “Mad Monday” and other alcohol-focused events and I bet you would solve 75% of the problem. I see both assaults occurred after this “celebration”. If players cannot act like decent human beings after this event (as they have demonstrated on numerous occasions), then get rid of the event. I would do the same if my kids showed consistent poor behavior after an event – why is it so hard to work out?? Sad, that grown men need to be treated like 6 year olds, but if the shoe fits…
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Get rid of Boofhead footy players no matter what code they play. Sack them.
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Problem is, they are only recognised as “boofheads” after they have beaten their partner. Kind of shutting the gate after the horse has bolted.
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That is so true – I don’t know what the answer is. It is disgusting to think these players who are now have criminal records can still have their well paying jobs and because they play well, or are no trouble on the field or in training means they can continue? I am a nurse if I have a criminal record especially one of violence, my job is gone. Football players are looked up to by the community and young people there is a responsibility for the clubs and the NRL or whatever football body to do the right thing and respect the communities that support them.
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What crap!
You’re advocating punishing someone because they might commit a crime.
God help us if this is ever the case.
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Shane,
The only “punishment” I’m advocating is stopping the NRL-sponsored piss-ups that have proven time and time again to result in assaults (of player’s partners, and the general public), God knows how many incidents of domestic violence there have been after “Mad Monday” and the like that have gone unreported.
Do you have any feasible suggestions?
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No, I don’t have any feasible suggestions. To stop mad monday you’ll need to prevent these guys associating with each other when they are on holiday.
Further, if you want to stop league players binge drinking then you have to outlaw binge drinking in general.
Got any ideas on how to do that?
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Oh, agree! Binge drinking to nth degree is stupid and dangerous. Why not have behaviour clauses in players contracts, which allow cancellation if they bring game into disrepute? Hitting the hip pocket might make them think…
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Why weren’t they given a jail sentence? Maybe then they would be sacked, It seems the offences are serious enough to warrant one. I haven’t read the other comments, but I don’t think all footy players should be tarred with the same brush. I’m not saying this has happened but there seems to be the perception that if you play a physical sport you are a meat head. I know from personal experience that this is not the case. I did 4 weeks work experience with one of the premier footy teams and knew nothing about the game. I was impressed with the attitude of the players and they were all respectful to me and my fellow students, who were mainly 20-21 yr old females. (I’m older) So I revised my opinion based on what I saw and experienced.
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Plenty of commenters below have mentioned that the average Joe on the street would probably not be sacked for behaviour like this. That may well be true.
However, the job of NRL players is not only to play football. It’s to be WATCHED playing football. They need supporters. The players and clubs need to maintain credibility with the fans or they won’t remain financially viable. And I think keeping on idiots who beat their partners is not encouraging the “family friendly” atmosphere they should be maintaining to grow their future fan base.
http://the-accidental-housewife.blogspot.com.au/
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Great point Archie! Even a shock jock would get that logic
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I think they should be sacked. Using the whole “if it was someone working in I.T. they wouldn’t get sacked” argument is irrelevant, the type of position these creeps are in is totally different.
Whether or not you consider these guys to be ‘role models’ is a whole different issue but what is true is that they are very much in the public eye. They work for clubs that are hugely dependant on Sponsorship and Memberships and players are, in many ways, the ‘face’ of these clubs. If their behaviour negatively impacts public perception of the clubs then Sponsorship or Memberships could potentially be negatively affected and so I would argue that their behaviour outside of ‘work’ can indirectly affect their job and they should be held accountable for it.
On a related note – I work in Finance and a clause in my contract states that my employment can be terminated without notice if I am convicted of an indictable offence. I think that is fair enough, I wouldn’t want to work with a criminal either.
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as a teacher i was also told that i could be fired if i was convicted etc etc
we were told that we were an example for our students. when these players sign their contracts i am sure there is something in it telling them they have to behave above and beyond the “norm” , not that i think it is normal to have domestic violence.
i know of many bike riders, footballers and other so called “tough guys” who are horrified by all this
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Unfortunately, stardom is wasted on some sportsmen.
The fact that sports stars attract media attention means that they are in a position to be positive role models. They could use their status to really make a difference in our society ie. Teach boys how to be men and how to iron!! What a waste.
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Which is exactly why I think sacking them is pointless. Maybe sacking him might scare a few other players but are they really capable of just turning off whatever issue they have – that is causing this terrible behaviour? Perhaps if this player were allowed to continue playing if they agree to professional help AND are required to be involved in a program of education by touring schools and confessing their crime – who knows they might do some good?
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And similarly http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/Ill-lead-the-cheers-when-the-NRL-abolishes-cheerleaders/
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Thankyou. You are a man.
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This abusive behavior makes me feel sick! How frightening. Both Players should be sacked! Zero tolerance as far as I am concerned. The NRL are weak and need to get the courage to act NOW! Do it for the women out there and for those who love the game!
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What concerns me most is the inconsistency that the NRL have shown.
Brett Stuart was stood down from his club because of a sexual assault allegation. It was a serious allegation ad the NRL tried to make a stand.
He was later found not guilty.
The NRL have always taken the view that the clubs should manage their players. I disagree. There needs to be a standard and it needs to be adhered to.
Surely these players would have something in their contracts that if you bring the game into disrepute then you will be stood down.
We have two men who have been found guilty of seriously threatening their partners and one his unborn child who are still able to earn massively high incomes so their fines do not even seem to match the crime.
I’m not sure what the right answer is, but the nrl need to think seriously about how they change the attitudes of these young men. I personally feel that there needs to be more serious consequences. I love that Phil Gould made Michael Jennings buy and hand out tickets to fans for turning up to training drunk. It was quite a price to pay, but he did and I’m sure it sent a strong message to the rest of the players about their behaviour. We need to see more of this strong leadership!
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Brett Stewert was not stood down because of the alleged assault he was stood down for drinking excessively at the official rugby league launch so it is not the same thing.
However, completely agree with the Michael Jennings thing this was a great way to handle the situation.
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more than just being found not guilty, the complainant was found to have fabricated the entire story.
She should have gone to gaol for the damage she did to Stewart’s reputation.
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Great article. I’m a woman, a huge fan of rugby league and can appreciate an article that points out the obvious failings of the Cowboys and the NRL, without completely cruicifying the game and writing off every single other player by lumping them in the same basket. NRL, like every other professional organisation is 99% represented by good people, and it’s the 1% like Robert Lui that projects a horrible image.
Although I agree (for once) with John James’ comment: “But if the same thing happened to me, I’m not sure my employer would sack me”, I also believe that the NRL needs to take a stand with players like this. When a player incident is not just based on daily telegraph conjecture, but has been proven in a court of law, the the NRL needs to get rid of the player, simple as that.
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To the men of Rugby League who act like cowardly disgraces and who are tarnishing the reputation of the game I, and many other women love – GET OUT OF OUR GAME!
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As a female league fan, I thought Mark Geyer (MG) was fantastic on Fox Sports last night. (where he called for a really tough stance to be taken on this, and an example made of Lui)
I applaud Paul and MG.
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I agree!
Same as Dan Ginnane, he spoke brillantly.
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I’m in two minds about this one.
On one hand, whilst I think these acts are lower than low, I am not sure that they should be fired. As JJ said below, if an IT worker was charged with assaulting his girlfriend, should he also lose his job? Would his employer even be allowed to sack him over something that didn’t happen at work? I am also conscious of the fact that if he did lose his job, given that most of these players don’t have any formal education etc, how would he financially support these children?
I do certainly think that that NRL teams need to look at Mad Monday celebrations and whether they are necessary. I would also like to know whether these players are still getting female interaction ‘education’ as they were a few years ago.
I think Paul has hit it on the head with “The NRL can’t have it both ways. They can’t put their players in pink socks for breast cancer and pink jerseys for ‘Women in League’ round if they don’t sack men like this.” They definitely need to do something about the problem.
Great article!
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I think the difference here is that NRL players have a public profile (and the responsibilities attached to that), whereas an IT worker wouldn’t.
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I don’t give two hoots how he supports his kids if he is fired. That’s not my problem. Hopefully, though, watching him go through any resultant financial hardship will be enough to stop other players beating on their wives and partners, lest they be fired too.
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Archie, do you really think someone capable of this type of behaviour is also capable of correcting themselves without professional help?
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The NRL needs to immediately suspend Mad Monday celebrations and fire these men. Normally I would say no, your personal life is separate from work, but if my husband came home shitfaced from a work event and beat me I think he would be fired. The same as he would be if he was caught drunk driving in the work car after the same event.
What I REALLY want to know is why these piddly little punishments are being dealt out by our judicial system? Gordon attempted to murder his girlfriend, threatening to kill her and physically assaulting her amd he got a good behaviour bond without jail time. The problem is bigger than the NRL.
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unfortunately, very representative of the sentencing in family violence- you are so right the problem is not just with the NRL, but the weird perception that violence in relationships in some how not as serious as violence between unrelated people. If he had done that to a random woman on the street he would have gone to Gaol.
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Im pretty sure I’d be sueing his workplace for putting me in danger. Something maybe the NRL should be mindful of
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“The NRL can’t have it both ways. They can’t put their players in pink socks for breast cancer and pink jerseys for ‘Women in League’ round if they don’t sack men like this.”
Says it all.
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I’m not comfortable in treating sporting employees differently to other employees…
I’m not saying what they did was OK…of course not…
But if the same thing happened to me, I’m not sure my employer would sack me…or could sack me for that matter (any lawyers out there know what the legal issues around employment and criminal records are…especially if no gaol time is involved?)
I know some people will claim that sports people are role models…I actually disagree..they are not, despite what the media thinks…in the case of NRL players, they are employees under contract just like most of the people reading this post…
What I want to see is consistency…if other people convicted of the same crime and who were only fined are allowed to keep their jobs, then I want the same treatment to be applied to these men…
That’s what my head tells me…
My heart tells me the opposite…I can understand that most people will agree with Paul…but I feel uncomfortable with treating one group of paid employees differently from another group just because they are famous.
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“I know some people will claim that sports people are role models…I actually disagree..they are not, despite what the media thinks…”
They aren’t role models to you but I guarantee there are plenty of young boys who consider them role models and line up to get their autograph. Those are the ones the NRL needs to be sending the message to.
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If I had kids (and I will admit I don’t) I think I’d teach my kids to understand that sports-people are just like other people…and some of them do bad things sometimes, just like other people…
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As someone who does have kids JJ – good luck with that.
I completely see your point, but I also agree these men are role models whether they, or we, like it or not.
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JJ, I keep coming back to your post and agreeing with everything you say.
Thank you for continually being the voice of reason in so many discussions here on MM. I don’t always agree with you, but that’s neither here nor there – at least your arguments are well thought out and articulated.
P.S. I come from a family of professional sports men, not of the code being discussed here, but very “recognisable” within their own microcosm, my father in particular. My Dad is worthy of his hero status, not because of his well publicised on-field exploits, but because of the kind of man he is – off field.
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Well said, I agree with you.
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I commented above that if my husband did the same thing, I think he would be fired. I’m fairly sure that workcover claims can include going to and from work, as well as work functions. These men were getting drunk at a work function (and probably on the company’s dollar), so their actions could well be considered a workplace incident.
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I think calling it a Workplace incident is a bit of a stretch. WorkCover claims is if your husband were to have an accident on the way home from work, not if he goes home and beats his wife. WorkCover is also completely separate from being able to fire someone over their actions at home, after work.
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I’m referring to the fact he was under the influence after a work event. I’m not sure of the details of Mad Monday but if it’s organised by the employer then it’s a work event. If he’d hit his girlfriend/workmate at the event would he be fired? I’m not sure.
The WorkCover example is a bad one, I’ll admit, but I was trying to say the workplace can extend beyond the office.
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I see what you are saying.
Yes if the club organises Mad Monday (which I assume they do) then yes it is a work event. And yes, if he hit his girlfriend AT the event he could be fired. However I don’t think employers could fire him once he is home from a work event. Once he arrives home, he is no longer ‘at’ his workplace.
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I know that employers can ask when you apply for a job about your criminal history – not sure about while you’re actually employed there.
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Hmmm… I’m not sure how it can be said that sports players ‘aren’t role models.’ In the most basic sense, a role model is anybody that another person can imitate/want to be like. Sports player, fictional character or school mate. You don’t get to decide if you are or aren’t one, or if someone else is or isn’t one – that’s up to the person emulating them.
Once a person becomes highly visible publically, the capacity to become a role model (good or bad) increases substantially. I think the debate about whether they should be expected to be good role models, or whether or not these players should be sacked is more about the social responsibility of the clubs, players and the game. And I’m sure there would be a lot of disagreement on what that should be.
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My argument is that no single group of people can hope to be perfect role models…instead, lets teach our kids that there are good role models amongst our sporting heroes, like Billy Slater for example…but then use examples like this as examples of how not to behave…
Expecting all Rugby League players to be perfect is an impossible dream…better to be realistic and teach our kids that sporting talent doesn’t equate to moral talent…
But this is all a separate issue from employee rights…I don’t think we should mix the the two together…
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JohnJames; it’s a very interesting point you make, but I respectfully disagree.
Whether we like it or not, and agree or not, these men are held up as heroes or role models for our children. I agree with you in your comment below that ideally, parents would be teaching their children sportsmen are just like people and do bad things etc…but I don’t think it is as easy as that. Our culture has a big focus on the adoration of sportspeople.
These men receive huge salaries and a level of fame – but along with that, comes an expectation and responsibility that your average employee doesn’t have. It’s just the way it is (I think).
I unfortunately think the impact of seeing sportsmen (as per this example) displaying such behaviour and still maintaining these great jobs (as many young boys and men would see them) sends a very negative message. I think it would be so powerful if Robert Lui was fired as a result of his actions – THAT is the message I would want my sons to be receiving.
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The only thing I’ll say in reply is that sports people can earn a lot of money, but only over a short career…once their career is over, for most sports people, that money needs to last them the rest of their lives…so taking the decision to sack someone from a RL team is a very significant punishment…
These men have been arrested, charged, judged and convicted by our justice system. To follow that up by stopping them earn a living is punishment on top of their conviction…
Maybe the bigger issue here is the relative leniency of the conviction itself…but, again, that’s another argument altogether,
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Why on earth does that money need to last them the rest of their lives?
I have friends who at age 35 and above have returned to Uni or learned a trade and then started whole new careers… why can’t an ex-footy player do the same?! I’d have thought it’d be even easier for them to do so given the enormous amounts of money they’re paid in their first career which could possibly fund a few years off to study full time.
AFL clubs (I don’t know about NRL) often pay for players to get Uni degrees while they’re still playing as well.
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True…if they are academically able to…but even then, they’d probably earn way less than when they were playing sport…
But we’re getting off the point…
My argument is that while some Sports people are role models, it’s wrong to expect all sports people to be role models. So treating sports people as if they are different to any other group of people is a faulty assumption.
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“My argument is that while some Sports people are role models, it’s wrong to expect all sports people to be role models. So treating sports people as if they are different to any other group of people is a faulty assumption.”
I think this is key to the debate we are having. My belief is that these players WILL be treated as role models – I don’t like it, I don’t agree with it…but it’s the way it is. It’s like someone has said below – if you are paid to endorse a product or service, your contract probably has a stipulation in it that means you need to act within certain guidelines. I wonder if the NRL has such a thing – bringing the game into disrepute, for example? if it doesn’t – it should. And beating your pregnant partner certainly falls under that category!
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I agree that all sports people should not be expected to be role models.
Where our opinions differ is that I don’t think them being role models or not has anything to do with it. At the end of the day they’re essentially the public face of the brand. If their behaviour is going to hurt that brand then they and the brand need to part ways.
Charlie Sheen and Kate Moss learnt this lesson the hard way, so should these cretins.
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“True…if they are academically able to…but even then, they’d probably earn way less than when they were playing sport…”
Maybe then we should return to the days where sportspeople had regular 9-5 jobs and played their sports as “extra-curricular” activities (for lack of a better description”. At least then they would have something to fall back on, the pressure for big money and big results might lessen, and they would remember what it’s like to be a “normal” person.
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“To follow that up by stopping them earn a living is punishment on top of their conviction…”
I am not suggesting they be stopped from earning a living. Just one that is in the public arena, such as NRL. There are plenty of other jobs they can do – not as enjoyable I’m sure, but it’s meant to be a punishment.
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Maybe it’s up to us parents not to encourage our children to follow the NRL and have these thugs as hero’s ? I personally hate rugby league and would never consider taking my kids to a game of spear tackles, eye gouging punching and biting forget that !!
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That is, of course, a gross generalisation…
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My initial reaction is pretty much in line with this comment. There’s something different in my gut feelings when it comes to sport, compared to regular jobs. I’m not entirely sure why.
If Lui and Gordon renounce violence, retire from football, and live a peaceful, hard-working life, I think most of us would see that as admirable. If they were successful at their new endeavours and became wealthy and well-known in their communities, I still don’t think I’d have a problem with it. So it’s not that I want them unemployed. But if they continue to work as footballers, that leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
Perhaps it’s because I wouldn’t want to cheer for them if they were on my team – it’d feel like I was validating the domestic violence they committed (and if they were on a rival team, I wouldn’t “love to hate” them, I’d actively dislike seeing them on the field). I feel like a hypocrite typing that, because I happily cheered for Warney despite his “indiscretions” and didn’t feel like I was validating them. I guess there’s a line in the sand for me, which says “When a sportsman violently attacks someone much weaker than him, that’s when I can no longer be happy cheering for him.”
Whatever the underlying reasons for how I feel, I think I’d be satisfied with, say, a 2-year suspension from sport (no salary – they’d have to find work outside of sport). It’d serve as a sort of penance in addition to whatever punishment is handed out by the courts, and after that period I’d be more comfortable with someone like Lui being on my team.
I don’t have much intellectual justification for discriminating against sportsmen in this way, but the idea that crowds cheer for footballers *as people both on and off the field* is just enough for me to be OK with it.
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They wouldn’t be treated differently to all others…. I am an Accountant and if I am convicted of an offence I can be sacked. It’s a condition of my employment. Depending on the offence I can also have my professional qualifications revoked.
Even if my employer couldn’t legally sack me – if I beat up a pregnant woman and all my colleagues knew about it (which they could very easily find out from Court records) it wouldn’t take long before I was ‘encouraged’ to leave of my own accord…. because my colleagues/bosses simply wouldn’t be comfortable working with someone like that… this is the biggest issue in my opinion, that the culture at these clubs is such that behaviour like this can happen without consequence.
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You’re probably right in that if you assaulted your wife or partner, you wouldn’t be fired if you had a “normal” job.
While I don’t know about football, I know that sometimes when people become the public face of a brand, company or product, there is a clause written into the contract that states that if the person being hired in any way brings the brand/product/company into disrepute then their contract can be terminated.
Whether or not you agree with them being role models, they are (to me anyway) the public face of their team, the community that team represents, and also the public face of their sponsors. I personally think they SHOULD be treated differently to the average person working in an average job.
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What a great article, good work Paul Murray!
Is it just me or is a $2000 fine and 2 year good behaviour bond a serious case of the punishment not fitting the crime. That seems like getting off easy for anybody, let alone a figure in the public eye who is obviously earning good money.
I get the feeling that when people do terribly bad things like this (or saying highly offensive things on radio), and manage to keep their jobs and status, it is really a decision based on profits. I know nothing about footy, but I imagine that despite their actions these players will keep drawing in crowds to the game. And in the end it’s all about the bottom line.
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Great article. I agree 100%. By continuing to employ these men the NRL is essentially condoning violence against women.
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Of course he hasn’t been sacked! this is sport people and we all know that all is forgiven and you can do whatever you like if you play pro sport in Australia.
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Yes. Just Yes. Yes.
I LOVE the sport, but sometimes the physical and sexual assualt charges/ allegations make it damn hard to be a fan.
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I deplore violence of any kind and this fella seems like a real prize HOWEVER, unless it directly affects the way he does his job, they shouldn’t be able to sack him. Only if there is an agreement made before hand regarding behaviour should that happen. I’m not a fan of the game and not privy to their employment contracts so am only making an observation.
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I think you’ve hit the nail on the head here. This sort of behaviour is so common amongst football players that it should be written specifically into their contracts that if they perpetrate violence against women their contract will be immediately cancelled.
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Darren Mooney, your player is not a “pleasure to be around”, he is lower than the scum of this earth. Just because he didn’t beat you doesn’t mean he’s a great guy.
If he had killed his girlfriend, as he threatened to do, would you still argue that he was a “pleasure”? Somehow I think not.
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So what can I do?
It doesn’t seem to be enough to just read this article and tick the like button.
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Its not that hard – you can simply write/email your thoughts to the NRL and tell them that you feel so strongly that you shall not be watching NRL etc until you see the appropriate action.
I honestly like articles like these, because it brings to light something I might not otherwise know about. I dont even watch or support NRL, but the option is there.
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You can tell the NRL what you think on their Facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/nationalrugbyleague
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Done.
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Great post. Was just on the NRL facebook page. It’s somewhat interesting that the page is set up so you can only see official posts on the wall – as opposed to posts by external posters.
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O.K. I just did this, with a link back to this article. I’m a bit scared to see if I cop massive backlash (FB isn’t an annon forum), but hey, this is a worthwhile and important discussion that we need to have. I specifically commented on their “Women In League” wall photo.
Like Paul said, you can’t have it both ways…
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Another failure in the Gallop leadership. You also have a certain reporter, well known to be a sharks fan, who is only too happy to plaster stories across the back page of his newspaper. But when it is one of his beloved Sharks? Crickets. The guy who preaches a moral standard should be criticised too for his moral hypocrisy. What’s the Buzz with that?
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Like this comment x a million.
He has slandered players in rival clubs for petty offences, yet has not said a word in regards to the Gordon offence, not ONE WORD. He was silent on Greg Bird’s attack & made sure the role the Sharks club played in the matt johns scandal was kept quiet.
Buzz Rothfield is an absolute disgrace.
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Being a Victorian we hear a lot more about the AFL than the NRL. Over past years the AFL has been getting stricter and stricter with their players off field behavior. I had originally thought they were going over the top, however after reading this article it’s clear that a no tolerance policy has to be applied if the culture is to change.
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Did anyone else notice that both of these incidences happened after Mad Monday? Is that not also cause for concern?
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As far as I can tell, it actually doesn’t matter when these incidences happened, it’s that they happened at all.
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toomanyshoes; this is true but if we can identify that these events are a ‘trigger’ for such behaviour, why are the clubs still allowing them to happen?
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Adriana – I understand what you’re trying to say, but in this particular example I can’t help but think that when you use the word “trigger” I see “excuse”.
The cause and effect relationship is not really proved by two aberrations. I.E. Mad Monday = domestic violence.
Binge drinking is an issue of its own. While I am in NO WAY advocating a culture that supports its practice, I think it is irresponsible to equate it as the source of the problem. There are PLENTY (and I mean hundreds of thousands of men) who get a skinful and don’t beat their partners. Don’t you agree with that point?
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I agree toomanyshoes, the timing is irrelevant. I was trying to point out that both incidences happened directly after a day/night where players get revoltingly drunk, which is not only endorsed by the clubs, but the media as well (Mad Monday is regularly reported in the news). The fact that the clubs then turn a blind eye after the incident is irresponsible.
The culture that is fostered at the NRL is contradictory as pointed out by Paul.
As soon as Willy Mason became a poster boy for the sport in 2006 I stopped following the sport completely.
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I really don’t think mad monday is the issue here (not that it’s a necessarily a good thing)
plenty of people in this world get drunk without feeling the need to bash a pregnant woman.
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WHat do you propose? Get rid of mad monday? How precisely?
There are a bunch of guys who are on holidays, do you think it’s fair to tell them who they can associate with on their holiday?
Last I heard freedom of association wasn’t illegal.
I suggest that the incidence of criminal activity isn’t any worse amongst rugby league players than amongst the wider community.
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Well-written and well done- thank you!
It’s not easy to stand up for something important when all around you the subject has gone quiet…I don’t know much about you Paul however, you’ve definately got my respect.
Keep making some noise!
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I’m torn. Because while the actions are indefensible, they have been punished in a court of law. is it fair to punish them twice once in the courts, and additionally in their place of employment?
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Im similarly torn, but Im also seeing that while they arent exemplary people, a good player earns good money, which i would hope becomes child support for the women and children who up and leave after being victimised by men like these.
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I agree with the practicality of that notion .. but I’m not sure it sends a good message that money can somehow buy a lesser punishment. There is a moral aspect to that.
I wonder what the girlfriend who left would prefer? To see him punished by the league and the message sent that this behaviour is NEVER OK … or to receive good money in support of her and the child, but to also watch him continue in his chosen (and privileged) sport, publicly supported by his mates and club?
Then there’s the girlfriend of the next one who decides to use her face as a stress release device and expect to get a court fine of $2k, a good behaviour bond and go back to playing for his club. Wonder what she would prefer?
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I dont think money should buy a lesser punishment either, but I dont think threatening someones employment is going to help anyone.
Is he going to suddenly respect women if he loses his job? Or is he going to resent them for cutting him so low? He already has a lack of respect for others, so I would wager he has no hope of realising personal responsibility.
Has he got any chance of providing for his family if he loses his job? Does he have a backup career? He sure as hell isnt likely to get many sponsorships with his history outside of League….
Realistically, I hope that other women learn to steer clear of the brute, and let him earn his way though life in what is probably the only what he knows how. His earnings might go towards creating a life for the woman and child that he so cruelly wronged.
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We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one. I think that the NRL showing that they don’t accept this behaviour by their representatives (because that’s what these guys are), sends a strong message and goes toward helping change the culture for the bette.
To take your comments further, what if he wasn’t paid for this privilege? That the “celebrity status” and playing his favoured sport were the only pay-offs for him in doing it. Would it then be right to punish him by removing this privilege? Or if he earned income from elsewhere?
And what about the guy who loses his licence and his family suffers by the loss of income because he can no longer do his job? What’s the difference?
Don’t get me wrong – I can totally see where you’re coming from. But I just don’t think that by addressing an individual case and weighing it up, we say the victim is better off with the money he can provide. I think we need to be looking at the bigger picture .. and sending the message that the behaviour in the first place is unacceptable. I still see what they do as a huge privilege .. and with privilege comes responsibility.
I think we need to be sending the message with regards the bad behaviour in these cases that if you do the crime, expect to do the time. And seriously? A $2k fine and good behaviour? Is that really likely to make the next aggro guy stifle his urge?
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Lots of employers require you to disclose if you have a criminal conviction before they hire you – particularly government.
I’m not an employer nor a HR person, but I’m sure if they saw an admission on an application form that an applicant was convicted for assaulting a 7 month pregnant partner and domestic violence, they might think carefully about hiring that person.
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I understand the conflict. However, being a role model is a part of these men’s job description. Should they be held to a higher standard? I hope for the sake of myself and women everywhere that the answer is a resounding YES.
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Totally agree with you, hayleyjane90 .. these guys SHOULD be held to a higher standard. This is not their “chosen” career, as such … they would never KNOW they were guaranteed a spot at that level .. or how long it would last. They would have a backup job/career .. and THAT they can go back to. This sporting career is a huge opportunity and they should behave as if they deserve it more than the guy who missed out.
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Anon, these guys have conditions of employment. Like you and I can’t turn up to work drunk, these guys have conditions about their behaviour. But it is only enforced depending on their needs to the team
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You lose your drivers licence (DUI, speeding etc), you get punished in the courts and if you need your licence for work you quite often end up sacked as well.
Footballers know they have a particular standard to uphold and this breaches that well and truly.
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Agreed. Disgusting acts by physically stronger people against weaker people. And people they should do their utmost to love, cherish and protect!
I’m all for not judging a person forever for mistakes they’ve made, however aside from the clubs wanting to turn a blind eye or play up how wonderful these guys are with their mates and the club (to “balance out” the persona their girlfriends got to see?), these guys have been given a PRIVILEGE in playing their sport for a living .. something that others would love to have the opportunity to do.
Sure, allow them to rehabilitate and move on with their lives. But at least take away this privilege and opportunity. In my mind, unless you’re willing to step up and be a better person when accepting the opportunity to live your dream and become a role model, then you don’t deserve the position. One strike and you’re out, in this context.
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Standing Ovation For Mr Paul Murray.
What a devastating story. How can this behaviour be tolerated by the NRL or ANY individual footy club?
And how tragic that his poor girlfriend is still with him. My thoughts go out to her. I hope she is getting some help.
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Very true. It’s great to hear this from a bloke, who is also a fan of the game.
As for Lui and his partner, It wasn’t the first time either. I believe the Mad Monday one year earlier, Robert Lui attacked her when she was pregnant, although she didn’t cooperate with the police, or she dropped the charges at the court, as they were dismissed.
I understand too well how hard it can be to leave an abusive relationship, but I find it really difficult to understand how you can remain in one when there is a child involved.
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The examples of Gordon and Lui – relative nobodies of the game – are not the first of league players being found guillty of criminal offences, or domestic violence offences.
There is a long history of both in league. In 2010, in a case that slipped well under the radar, Greg Inglis was found guilty in a court in Melbourne of assaulting his partner.
http://www.theage.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/greg-inglis-avoids-conviction-over-assault-charge-20100412-s2lg.html
Rather than defend the matter, as he initially stated he was going to, he eventually pleaded guilty, and instead of having a conviction recorded, was directed into treatment and counselling with respect to domestic violence. His partner, in Paul’s words, “bizarrely” stayed with him and they married later that year. That great love story was celebrated in Mia’s other employer, the Sunday Telegraph, with great fanfare:
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/money-cant-buy-me-love/story-e6frexnr-1226040224640
Whether the treatment and counselling that Greg was directed into were beneficial, I don’t know, but there appears from the subsequent history every chance it was.
Correct me if I am wrong, but there were nil calls from anyone in the media at that time, including Paul, Mia Freedman or Dan Ginnane, for the great GI to be de-registered.
But you all might have missed that story, and I might be forgiven for thinking that this issue, this week, isn’t simply fodder for a talkback host and other professional opinion makers to beat up, instead of seriously engaging with.
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Oh I remember the GI incident, I believe his defence was something along the lines of “I was stopping her from self-harm”, because obviously, punching someone in the face is the only way to stop your loved one from hurting herself.
It sickens me that he plays for my team, I definitely haven’t forgotten the Inglis incident. The abovementioned assaults definitely got more exposure, maybe because they were particularly brutal?
It’s not just the NRL at fault, its the judicial system, and society too, for not holding these players to account. The NRL have the most power to try to prevent violence against women, but have failed miserably.
Do they still do the “Guys, PLEASE don’t hit women, and for the love of God, NO MEANS NO” training for NRL players? Perhaps a more intensive course should be implemented
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To trivialise domestic violence into a Rugby League issue is wrong. It’s far bigger than this – its a community issue. Paul I have a lot of respect for you and like that you don’t usually tow the shock jock line, however you have just jumped on this without really knowing the facts. Why not interview so domestic violence councillors and ask who is the most likely to inact violence against their spouce and I bet they won’t say footballers – they will says CEO’s , bankers, factory workers or shop assistants. Rugby League is a microcosm of society and until we abolish it from society how can we expect it to be out of rugby league. The real issue isn’t that he wasn’t sacked from the NRL it is that our legal system decided that this poor woman was worth nothing more than a $2000 fine. If the legal system doesn’t take it seriously than why should the NRL. Saying that he did this because he is a footballer is like saying that he acted like this because of his race, age, socio economic status or something equally as insulting or wrong. For the sake of all victims of domestic violence lets look at cleaning up this issue in society as oppose to waving the finger at another Rugby League player which is just a cop out and disrespectful to every victim.
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Thankyou Kate V! I agree 100% and you’ve just saved me from having to write it all.
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“The NRL can’t have it both ways. They can’t put their players in pink socks for breast cancer and pink jerseys for ‘Women in League’ round if they don’t sack men like this.”
Love it. Bravo, Paul. Great article!
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Well said!
Completely agree with everything you’ve said here.
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Yes to everything you said!
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