Researchers connected to the Circumcision Foundation of Australia have presented what they claim is the world’s first evidence-based policy for male circumcision saying the benefits vastly outweigh the complications, which they say occur in less than one per cent of cases. Lead author Professor Brian Morris, from the University of Sydney, claimed the evidence was now so clear it was time to act.
“The evidence in favour of infant circumcision is now so strong that advocating this simple, inexpensive procedure for baby boys is about as effective and safe as childhood vaccination,” he said. “In contrast to the comments of opponents, the scientific evidence shows no adverse effects on sexual function, sensitivity, satisfaction or sensation, if anything the opposite. Many common childhood conditions, including kidney damage, will become very rare if baby boys are circumcised in the first weeks of life.”
Big call.
Before we jump into the tug-of-war that is the circumcision debate, let’s be clear that Professor Brian Morris is an advocate for circumcision. But the policy paper is based on studies and research from around the world that he didn’t personally conduct. So even if you doubt Prof Morris, the data still exists and has been used to navigate a difficult health concern around the world.
And it’s not an easy one for many parents. Male circumcision can be both a cultural norm, a religious tradition or something parents choose because, well, they had to choose something and it seemed like a good idea at the time. But there’s always been a bit of debate about that one. Some people aren’t cut and choose to do it as an adult. Guy Ritchie was reportedly circumcised to fall in line with then wife Madonna’s religious beliefs.
Wonder how he feels about that now…
Shall we see what the research shows?
The Study
Infant male circumcision: an evidence-based policy statement examined evidence from around the world to see whether male circumcision was all that necessary. Here’s what it found.
Urinary tract infections
More uncircumcised boys got urinary tract infections than circumcised boys, especially as babies in the first six months of life when UTIs are most common. The prevalence was 1-4% in those without the snip compared to less than 0.2% in those who had been cut.
Hygiene
The study claims hygiene is easier to maintain in circumcised boys who don’t have the added burden of foreskin to navigate when cleaning.
HIV
The paper cites other studies which show male circumcision affords a 60 per cent protection against HIV. Other factors over time increase that protection to around 75 per cent, an effect the authors say makes it nearly as effective as the influenza vaccine. The Centre for Disease Control (CDC) in the United States has touted male circumcision as a cost-saver for the money the country spends on treating HIV.
Other Sexually Transmitted Infections (STIs)
The paper says: “Male circumcision protects against many, but not all, sexually transmitted infections (STIs). In the case of syphilis, genital herpes (HSV-2) and chancroid, a meta- analysis of 26 studies, including 2 from Australia, found lower prevalence in circumcised men.”
Cervical cancer in women
The paper looked at studies which showed the risk of contracting cervical cancer was four times higher if a woman had a high-risk male partner (more than six sexual partners) who was uncircumcised. “An inverse relation exists between Male Circumcision (MC) and cervical cancer prevalence across 118 countries,” the paper stated. Circumcision in male partners also helps reduce rates of STIs in women, such as genital warts and chlamydia.
Sexual function
The study found ‘no adverse effects’ on sexual function, performance or satisfaction of men who were circumcised.
The Conclusion
“The current scientific evidence is more than adequate to support a recommendation of male circumcision in Australia and other developed countries as a low-risk, highly beneficial procedure that is best performed in infancy using a local anesthetic. Infant male circumcision should appear on the check-list of decisions responsible parents need to make for their children.”
Professor Morris said: It is now up to State Governments to ensure than bans on elective infant male circumcision in public hospitals are lifted without delay. And it is essential that the Federal Government revises the Medicare rebate so that this procedure is affordable for low-income families. The costs saved will be enormous, as this policy statement shows that half of uncircumcised males will suffer an adverse medical condition over their lifetime, and many will die as a result of diseases preventable by circumcision. Benefits outweigh minor risks by over 100 to 1.”
Opponents
In the United States particularly, a groundswell of circumcision opponents has been finding a voice. The Intactivists, as they are known, argue male circumcision – like that in females – should be considered genital mutilation and an act of torture.
This from the Miami New Times:
“Foremost, the anti-circumcision crowd believes boys should be able to decide what happens to their bodies — especially in the case of a medically unnecessary amputation. They have likened circumcision to female genital mutilation — the cutting of a girl’s genitals to kill her libido or make her “clean” — which is practiced in parts of Africa and the Middle East but condemned by most developed nations.
Circumcision critics charge that most arguments for the procedure are based on flawed logic. The idea that a child should look like his father? Well, who goes around comparing penises with his dad? The notion that the child will be called an “anteater” in the locker room? They liken it to shame that used to be applied to other once-taboo customs such as interracial marriage. An online “intactivism shop” — where “only the prices are rounded off” — sells T-shirts and bumper stickers declaring “hooded warrior” and “anteater pride.”
Not all intactivists have such a cute sense of humor. Some accuse doctors of having a financial motivation for performing circumcisions. There are websites that “out” celebrities as intact and villainize researchers who have publicly promoted circumcision. Some even go so far as to accuse individuals of circum-fetish — being sexually aroused by circumcision.
Last summer, intactivists in San Francisco scored a win when they collected enough petition signatures to get a measure on the ballot that would ask voters to ban infant circumcision. The victory backfired, however; the ballot measure was stricken by a judge. After a huge outcry — especially by Jews, who found the notion anti-Semitic — the state legislature came down forcefully, passing a law that prevents local municipalities from attempting to ban circumcision.”
Cosmetic circumcision is currently banned in all Australian public hospitals and the Queensland Law Reform Commission found that, strictly speaking, routine male circumcision could be interpreted as a criminal offence under the criminal code. This was one view based on a strict reading of the letter of the law and circumcisions continue to take place there with no prosecutions registered.
The Australian Medical Association neither discourages nor explicitly recommends male circumcision in infants.
So, are circumcisions a cut above the rest or genital mutilation? What experience can you add to the debate?







Comments
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TImely this post was put on Alan Cumming’s blogonly last week, a really good adult male perspective on circumcision, it was as he said deemed to “raw” for hte Wall St Journal however it is a great piece.
http://alancumming.com/blog.php?id=525
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“may the foreskin be with you”, classic.
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Great article!
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When my son was born we didn’t really worry either way. My husband is circumcised but that was the in thing at the time, when son born not being circumcised was the way to go. Great until he started getting infections all the time, bleeding, constant itching- I think you get the drift. It took a couple of years and numerous doctors to work out that there was a problem with the foreskin. So off to surgeon and aged 10 we had to be done. There was still a slight problem and he had to be done AGAIN 6 months later. He was beyond grumpy knowing what he was going to have to go through again, poor kid, and when he was in hospital the second time, there were 6 other boys having the same thing done. Evidently it is very common. So based on our experience I would have had him done at birth. BTW he is hunky dory now!
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I had my son circumcised after watching my nephew have to go through it age 5 after countless problems and infections…and he has a very attentive and fussy mum! For my son, mearly hours old, it was straight forward and healed within days. For my nephew, it was a long and painful recovery and one that he has not forgotten to this day – he is now 18.
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Not to point the finger in any way, but research suggests that when you clean an uncircumcised penis too thouroughly, you wash away all the natural bacteria leaving the area unbalanced and prone to infection. Its like when a female douches. It really doesnt need much attention or fussiness at all, soap and water and never retract the foreskin.
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And that’s *exactly* why you can never clean all the bacteria away which can be transmitted from partner to partner – no amount of cleaning will get rid of harmful bacteria unless you over-clean and irritate the penis.
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I have 2 daughters, however would like another child. Should we have a son I would definitely have him circumcised. My husbands cousin had to circumcise her son at the age of 5 due to constant infections and problems too. The whole process shook him up quite alot. Subsequently she also chose to have his younger brother done at the age of 3 in case the same thing happened to him. She told me she regretted not doing it when they were born. Regardless of this my husband is circumcised and very pro-circumcision. Personally, I have read a enough about it to conclude that the medical benefits for circumcision far outweigh the risks. Then again, I respect all mothers decisions… even if they chose not to.
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All the men in our family are not circumcised and there are lots of men and not one of them has had any problems in their lives….My husband is from Canada and i find that North Americans seem to be pro circumcision a lot more than we are. Our son is not. My husband didnt have any problem with not having him circumcised. I personally think its unnessary, and boys are born with the skin there to protect the penis, so i am happy for my son to have his intact! He is very clean and will always be clean…well i cant control the grotty teenager in the future but by then hopefully it wil be a habit!
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My son, my husband, my father and every other Jewish man I know has been circumcised. Not one of them remember it or regret it
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How do they know any different to realistically say they regret it. Doesnt make it right.
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Lana, obviously they don’t remember it (being young) but that does not mean they didn’t experience pain. Is pain only relevant if you are able to verbally express your discomfort?
You say none of them regret it either. Considering the procedure is heavily tied to your family’s faith and religion it would make it difficult to regret it as it would involve denouncing everything you believe.
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But that’s like saying it’s OK to pull your baby’s hair, or pinch them, or poke them with a stick because they won’t remember it. I don’t think the “won’t remember it” argument holds much water.
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So if you don’t remember or have no recollection, then that makes something ok does it? So, you wouldn’t have a problem if you were drugged and then raped but had no recollection of event? You may accuse me of making an extreme analogy but your justification that not remembering makes circumcision ok is pretty weak. I appreciate that circumcision is one of the many rituals practiced in the Jewish faith which has been in place for thousands of years and that it would be futile to try and prevent that. These rituals or customs aren’t exactly followed based on some scientific analysis rather they are practices blindly followed by each successive generation generation. It’s not like there would have been much debate going on when it can time to perform the circumcision.
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Lana, this begs the question – to what depth do you discuss penises with men that you’re not sexually intimate with? Your son being an exception.
Have you genuinely had a conversation with your father about his circumcision?
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Religion does not justify mutilation.
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I don’t think circumcism is a necessity, i think it’s cruel and to justify it as preventative medicine is taking it to the extreme. Maybe while they’re taking the foreskin they should also remove the tonsils and appendix as well just in case they get tonsillitis or appendicitis later in life?
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I know several adult men who have had to have it done due to repeated infections, and hygene issues (out field/ deployed in the Army). Very painful, They all wish they had had it done as an infant.
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so I’m curious, what makes it less painful for a baby.
sincere question.
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Do it non-surgically using a “Plastibell” device. Works a treat and they don’t feel a thing.
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Oh really? Have you had to hold a baby down while he has one applied?
I have and they scream their little heads off.
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I remember being a young surgical nurse having to ‘do’ the Thursday list about 20 years ago and having to hold the babies (because I was the newby), and until I was very pro circumcision, but if one Thursday didn’t cure me, week after week it got harder and harder to watch these babies scream (and be the nurse that took them back to their distressed mothers). I decided them I would not get the procedure done for any boys I had. Fortunately we never had to have the debate
I only had girls!
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I seemed to have the unfortunate knack of being in the nursery in postnatal when a private paediatrician would come in to do the circumcisions and would get roped into it. Fortunately I never had to do it regularly. The paediatric dental list however…..
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Funny that. My son had a topical anesthetic applied, had a bit of a whinge and then fell asleep…..
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I’ve had both my boys circumcised this way. The first screamed – but then, he was screaming before he even got into the room. The second didn’t bat an eyelid. I’m sure it doesn’t feel great going on, but I’d say it’s a bit like a vaccination needle – temporary discomfort.
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Having to hold down screaming babies as a young nurse also made me anti circumcision. Let them make their own choice as adults.
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Scientists postulate that babies do feel pain, but at lower levels than adults.
Jewish people follow Levitical law, which advises them to circumcise boy babies at 8 days. Interestingly, levels of Vitamin K and prothrombin peak in babies on day 8 post-partum (to above 100% normal levels), which means that blood coagulates more easily and the procedure is less fraught and risky.
If you’ve ever known a guy/man who has had to undergo circumcision in living memory for medical reasons, it does make you wonder if it’s not best to perform circumcisions prophylactically in order to lower risk of infections and complications later in life when it’s so much more painful and traumatic.
I have no children, however, and am undecided. It would be fascinating to hear more from men who have had to undergo the procedure as boys/teens/adults, and how they feel before vs after ?
I do see the procedure as different from female circumcision in that cultural traditions dictating female circumcision are generally based on the idea that female enjoyment in sex is “unclean” and immoral; it has little or nothing to do with physical cleanliness or bacteria. Read Waris Dirie’s or Ali’s biographies for examples.
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Ber, some of the statements that you make are a bit sweeping.
Judaism is a very old religion. I’m sure that bacteria and vectors of infection were not front of mind when the circumcision ritual began.
Some Australian aboriginals circumcised their boys at the onset of puberty (13-14) with a sharp stone knife in order to initiate them into manhood.
Whatever the whacky reasons behind genital mutilation, they’re just as spurious for men as for women.
The traditions of circumcisions are too ancient to have had a medical/hygiene grounding. The science wasn’t around, it’s retro-rationalising the practice.
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I have two boys, we circumcised neither. My husband had the chop as a wee one (so to speak!).
I wonder whether some of the hygiene and related issues with uncircumcised boys is in part because we now have a generation of dads who were circumcised raising boys who are not – plus, there isn’t much readily accessible info about the different hygiene measures that uncircumcised boys should carry out.
Re STIs: I assume there is no difference in STI transmission and acquisition among boys who wear condoms, regardless of whether they are circumcised or not…I am wary of any move away from the importance of the simple safe sex message (i.e., condoms are good) and I fear that we will get caught up in a meta-debate about whether circumcision protects against STIs which might undermine, or at least muddy, the simple safe sex message.
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I’m with you. I didn’t have my son circumcised and while I do get the STDs bit and have seen phimosis in young men, I’d rather my son wore a condom regularly than rely on a circumcised penis. Btw, he’s fine so far. I showed him self care as a young boy and haven’t heard him complain yet (he’s 21).
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Because yes, your sons will SO tell their mothers about the time they were a bit drunk and ‘forgot’, or it ‘fell off’ or ‘we didn’t have one but I pulled out’ etc. etc. etc. That’s as fabulous as ‘I always wash my hands so why do I have a cold??’.
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B, I may be wrong, but I read Faybian’s comment to mean that her son had not reported back any hygiene/infection problems as opposed to reporting back about his condom use.
Anyhow, regardless of any benefits in terms of *reduced* STI incidence (as opposed to protection), it still seems to me that if we want to send one message about STIs and prevention it should be about condom use rather than circumcision.
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Of course he’s not going to talk about it over the dinner table, but I think I’d find out if he had to go to the hospital for phimosis. He still lives at home after all.
Actually I hear far more about my older kids sex lives than I’d rather hear. I have put my fingers in my ears and loudly sang “lalalala, I’m not listening”. They only shut up if I offer to share about my sex life.
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If all of our wonderful children were being so safe in the bedroom, our rates of STIs and HIV in Australia would not be at the endemic rate that they are at. Please, let’s not view our children through rose coloured glasses (including my own boys).
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Or teen pregnancies….
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If you do it for religious reasons it seems somewhat ironic as you are basically saying “God, you stuffed up by adding the foreskin” and if you are a non-believer and more importantly an evolutionist then you are saying that we evolved wrong.
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The reason I circumcised my son for religious reasons was not because I thought God had stuffed up but because I am honouring a covenant that Abraham made with God when he circumcised his son. No reflection on God
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Exactly! I am an evangelical (i.e. base my beliefs on the Bible) Christian, and from my knowledge, I can definitely tell you that Jewish circumcision is all about obedience to God, and honouring the covenant. It’s a sign, and not at all a judgment on God’s physical creation, or on the medical / health necessity or otherwise. Relate this to the recent post on Lent: Christians do not give up food or other things for health or self-serving reasons (although sometimes there are health or personal advantages as a side effect). It is done to honour God, and re-focus priorites.
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many religions also dictate that we dont tolerate homosexuality. Sometimes, when we know something is right and old school religion is an ill informed relic, then we change our views.
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There are several groups, such as this: http://www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org/ who are made up of Jewish people against circumcision. I wish more people would stand up against some of the archaic and inhumane beliefs and practices of many organised religions, and take a more progressive approach. There were plenty of things done in biblical times that we would find completely barbaric these days, so I don’t think religion is ever an excuse for an act such as circumcision. For me personally, honouring my son’s body and his right to choose would far outweigh my desire to honour a ‘religious covenant’, but that’s just me…
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I don’t want to turn this into an anti-religious debate or guilt mothers out.
I’m not Jewish and I’m circumcised. My parents made the same decision on my behalf.
Just curious though, don’t you think that Abraham should have made a covenant with God regarding his OWN penis?
Not offered everyone else’s up to the chopping block?
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I had no intention of circumcising my son but when he was born with half of his forekskin missing the decision was kind of taken out of my hands! He was born with hypospadias and after seeing a paedeatric surgeon we needed to have his birth defect operated on and they removed the remaining foreskin as part of this process (also corrected a significant bend he had when he had an erection – hopefully he’ll thank me for that one day!)
It has bothered me a little as I felt that he may feel different to other boys (no one I know has circumcised their sons) but at least his member will work in time to come!
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You had no choice really! If its medically nessesary then u have to do whats best for your little man….I am sure some of his class mates will also be circumcised and i dont really think it will be an issue! As long as he is healthy thats all that matters
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My son has hypospadias too, except his is quite mild so the surgeon recommending waiting until he starts toilet training. If his aim is a bit crooked, then we will need to do something.
Personally, I think we will have to do something. It doesn’t look quite right.
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oopsyboops – hopefully he’ll aim nice and straight and you don’t have to worry!
My little man had a few issues with his hypospadias so we had no choice and I’m glad now we had the operation done. He has a little scaring so I’m hoping in time to come that will go. The alternative was that he wouldn’t be able to have a proper erection and his hole was also quite small (but it was in the right spot and he had no issues with weeing straight etc). The foreskin that did remained looked completely odd and that wasn’t going to change so the surgeon recommend it be completely removed. Fingers crossed your little man is fine…..
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It’s interesting that with statistics in front of us saying various infections and diseases are less common in circumcised men people are dismissing them. People seem to be following the logic of “all those things can be avoided if you know how to keep it clean” that’s all well and good except do we really think all these uncircumcised men with infections were just unhygienic?! I think that’s not really giving credit to the men and we should be thinking that as with all things in life some circumcised men are hygienic while some may not be and same for uncircumcised men! I don’t even know where I stand on circumcision I find this debate interesting! I just find it interesting that people seem to be dismissing the data because it can all be fixed with proper hygiene!
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Perhaps this research does show some potential health benefits associated with circumcision. However, how many other body parts do we remove from children because it may have the potential to prevent disease? None that I can think of!!
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That’s excatly right. Its like “Oh his got an ear infection, better cut that ear off” If a boy ends up with an infection, give him some dam antibiotics, its the 21st century, we have medicine now!!!
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Anon, antibiotics does not cure HIV or cervical cancer. The same reason we vaccinate to reduce the rate of transmission for measles, mumps, rubella etc. etc. STIs are at an endemic level in our society with significant damage done to women’s reproductive health. It’s not a simple case of ‘get some antibiotics’.
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To be honest I’m sick and tired of the friends in our social groups who get their sons circumcised and then bitch and moan that he “was in a miserable mood for a week” or “went off his food for a couple of days” etc, etc.
I feel like screaming “well you cut the end of his dick and then placed a piece of string around the end of it tightening it until it cut the circulation off causing the skin to fall away. How about I get some dental floss and we’ll tie it really tight around the end of your finger, give your finger a small cut and then see how you feel at the end of the week after the end falls off”.
By all means some parents had to get it done for medical reasons, but if your reasons are superficial then REALLY think about what you are signing up for.
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Just for the record… In the case of non-surgical circumcision, the string is NOT tied around the end of the penis – only tied against a plastic ring so that circulation to the foreskin is cut off. Both my boys were circumcised this way. Beforehand we applied EMLA anaesthetic cream so that the procedure was entirely painless. By the time the cream had worn off, the circulation was cut off and they didn’t feel a thing.
Done correctly, they don’t experience any pain or discomfort at all.
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I second that. Also, it’s not the ‘end of his dick’. That would be the eye of his penis where the urethra ends.
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What a load of crap. I really just cant understand the logic behind cutting off part of your childs anatomy, based on a “JUST INCASE” logic. Just incase he gets an infection, Just incase he cant clean it properly, Just incase he gets penile cancer (which might I add statistics have shown that the chances of getting penile cancer are lower than a man getting breast cancer), well while you’re at it, you may aswell give him an appendectomy incase he gets appendicitus and take his tonsils too, incase he gets tonsilitis.
My son is 7 years old, he knows how to clean his intact penis because he has been taught how to and honestly, its just like washing under your arms or behind your ears. His father is circumcised, and not once in my sons life, have I EVER heard him ask why his penis doesnt look like his fathers.
This just seems so prehistoric to me, and as far as Im concerned, If it aint broken, dont fix it.
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Your argument makes no sense. Half the parenting decisions we make are “just in case”. I vaccinate just in case. I lock the poisons under the sink just in case. I teach them to swim early just in case. I have a rear view camera installed on the car just in case.
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True, but those things are hardly as drastic as cutting off my sons anatomy. If he gets an infection (for whatever reason) I will take him to the doctor and get him some medicine. Did you have a hysterectomy “just incase” you get cervical cancer, no Im sure you do other, less invasive and permanent things to prevent that.
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Yeah which I think is getting to the crux of the argument – how “drastic” is it to remove the foreskin?
Some people think vaccination is drastic right?
I think removing your uterus would be drastic (it is currently “in use”) but I will need it later for more kids and for hormone synthesis. One thing not mentioned is the other “uses” of the foreskin and whether these outweigh the health benefits of its removal.
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I never had to think about this issue until I met my Jewish husband. We had discussed it before we married and he expressed his desire to have his son circumcised, should we ever have one. It seemed really important to him and I agreed, all the while feeling petrified about the procedure and its potential setbcaks. When I was pregnant for the first time, I remember wishing that I had a girl so that I wouldn’t have to think about it. As it turned out it was a girl and I didn’t need to think about it. When I was preganant the second time, I started to think more seriously about it and did my own research, discovering that there were very few complications and by this stage I knew so many more men who were circumcised and had no complications. Nevertheless after the birth of my son, I was still petrified, but willing to go ahead with the procedure as it was so important to my husband. He organised it all and eight days after he was born my son was circumcised by an excellent paediatrician. My son hardly cried at all and he recovered extremely well. I am happy that it all went well and now realise that the whole procedure was quite simple in the hands of an excellent doctor. I am not advocating circumcision and feel that it is up to each individual to decide for themselves. But having gone through the procedure I’m not sure I agree with the people who call the procedure ‘barbaric’. I think it should be up to each individual. I am happy that we had our son circumcised and do not regret doing it. I’m not sure I would have had it done if my husband wasn’t Jewish, but he is and the outcome has been positive for us in the end.
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“For my husband” “i was petrified.. ” “wishing for a girl ..So didn’t have to make a decision.. ” “up to the individual..” THE CHILD IS AN INDIVIDUAL.. “hardly cried..” and “recovered”. Not even going to apologise here but so much wrong with this.. I respect the Jewish faith i have Jewish relatives I just don’t think changing a babies body for whatever reason we as their protectors have is a good one until there is some opinion or choice from them .. its their body !
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If you are so keen on letting the individual decide, then why are you making a permanent alteration to your son’s body on his behalf, without his consent?
Shouldn’t it be up to your son, as an individual, to decide for himself what he does with hhis very own body?
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Just thought I’d give you a message of support. Good on you for your research and also for doing something that is important to your family culturally and has been accepted for years as being ok. 17 years ago I had my son circumcised because all the boys that I had grown up with had been and none of them complained and most advised for it.. He too hardly cried and recovered perfectly well. I am since undecided on the topic as my husband is against it (as he isn’t) but the health benefits do seem to outweigh the concern. It doesn’t take away their pleasure so I really don’t think most boys mind, they just do their best with whatever they’ve got!
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Thanks Suzi for being so honest, sharing your range of (raw & human) emotions, and not being judgemental of others’ choices. It’s such a personal decision and it’s disappointing when people criticise others so abruptly and with such hostility.
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If I lived in sub saharan Africa, with limited access to clean water, soap and condoms, I think I would get my son cut. And decrease in HIV infections is better than nothing. But living in Sydney, with access to a daily shower, I left things as nature intended, and will advise him to slip on a condom….
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Probably the best reasons to circumcise a boy. Pity the same cant be said for a girl.
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I think it is dangerous to rely on circumcision as a protection against HIV. The only protection are condoms. STIs are increasing in the population. We don’t want young circumcised men carrying around the belief that they are safe.
On the mater of sexual pleasure- it is absolutely better with an uncircumcised male. It may make no difference to the man but it increases my pleasure if he’s not been circumcised
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I would want to see a heck of a lot more research before I would make a permanent, physical change to my son.
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Good grief.. cos well done josey absolutely.. can I just remind women advocating changing their sons bodies without any of their say in their parents permanent change to their baby boys bodies .. who guarantees a boy will get an infection.. how many women have reoccurring urinary tract infection (what to snip then!) .. most teenage boys are not lazy (especially when parents/carers/guardians teach them good habits) most young boys as girls start to realize how much better it is to look good smell good and feel good as they become young adults.. if a medical reson occurs obviously then address.. however to change a child’s body “just in case” is just not a debatable reason .. seriously .. if your parents decided to give you a tattoo at birth ! Huh .. sure that would be a fun discovery .. really..
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On another most probably mute point to many on this subject….. when you say it is their bodies and if they choose to get it done later in life….. WTF!! Really ladies??? What man do you know unless forced to due to medical reasons, chooses to get their foreskin removed? It’s like saying… my daughter can choose to get her ears pierced when she is older…. not the same, or my son or daughter can choose their own religion later in life.
When I guy gets circumcised later in life (other than religion) there are more complications that can go with this. It does not heal within 5 days, they cannot have sex for a while and generally when it is done later in life it is because something went wrong with the foreskin.
A little baby only days old with a few days of mild discomfort (if any) and no memory of it all to a young teenager of young adult who gets an infection underneath the foreskin due to lack of hygiene (we all know this happens, they’re teenagers and young adults) which would you prefer?!
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“What man do you know unless forced to due to medical reasons, chooses to get their foreskin removed?”
Exactly. So why EVER remove a foreskin?
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Health reasons! That is why! I chose as a parent to circumcise both my sons. And I am glad I did. Both of them are completely normal, they’re not rocking in a corner sucking their thumbs and ridiculing or cursing me for putting them through insurmountable pain. I know this way, when my eldest has a shower that his penis is going to be squeaky clean and I know when my youngest begins to shower, he will be squeaky clean too.
I would recommend Dr Russell to anyone who was wanting their child circumcised. http://www.circumcision.com.au/
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Squeaky clean? Whatever, how about we ladies also get our inner and outer labia removed so you dont have to wash in and around them. Ha
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ugh, the argument from fathers insisting on their son being circumcised ‘to look just like them’ is the most pathetic reason ever.
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Agreed. Do it for the right reasons, for hygiene and health.
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I’ve never understood that either. I’ve seen my mum and sisters naked over the years and while we fundamentally have the same bits, they don’t look alike! What if the son doesn’t grow hair on his chest like the dad? Is he going to whisked off to Ashley and Martin?
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soooooo agree on this! it’s just a frustrating argument. what if their hands don’t look alike? plastic surgery????
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Buy them matching t-shirts or caps instead
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Yup. My husband said this, and my response was so definitive a ‘no’ that he never raised it again. His mother hinted too. Again. No.
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Both my boys have been circumcised. I went to Dr Terry Russell and he is brilliant. Circumcision is not like it used to be where the actual foreskin is cut away with a scalpel or scissors, but instead a plastibell is used which is fitted between the head of the penis and the foreskin – it can only be put a certain length down which ensures that the right amount of foreskin is removed – then a piece of string (somewhat like dental floss) is tied around the top of the foreskin and plastibell which cuts off the blood supply to the foreskin, within 5 to 10 days the plastibell falls off along with the dead piece of skin. Prior to me getting this done, you go for a consultation and they give you a anaesthetic cream that you past onto your son’s penis foreskin area which numbs the area – he cried as soon as his nappy came off and settled a few seconds later – I do not believe that my sons are physically or emotionally scarred by the whole thing.
As a point of cleanliness and the chance of smegma build up and the chance of my sons contracting cancer later in life – the decision for me to circumcise my sons was a no brainer.
As for the women saying that they should be circumcised, that is ridiculous. When you circumcise a male, they still feel sexual stimulated, as for a woman, no she does not – and female circumcision is a barbaric act which is done so that women do not have any sexual pleasure which in turn “makes” them less likely to stray. Women also die from complications through Urinary tract infections because the opening for them to urinate is so small that the urine collects there and causes infections. Also when the men want to have sex with these poor women, they are opened up again so that the men’s penis can fit in, and they also opened up again for child birth. So to say it is the same for boys/Men is laughable.
The people that choose to circumcise their boys choose to do so for health reasons.
You can teach your boys to clean themselves well down there, but teenage boys are LAZY! You can’t turn around to your 15 year old and say “have you cleaned down there, I want to check!”…. better to be safe than sorry I say.
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I am sorry but the foreskin does get cut off, both my boys were circumcised this way so I am not anti circ at all obviously but it annoys me when people say there is no cutting involved, they slept thru the whole thing etc. The dead skin does not fall off, it is removed during the procedure, the plastbell falls off a few days later, not the foreskin.
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The platibell is attached to part of the foreskin – sorry yes it does get cut off after the skin has been tied and there is no feeling there. I stand corrected…
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Does that mean that you wouldnt allow your teenage boy to drive a care out of fear “Better to be safe than sorry!”
If my teenage son was so lazy that he wouldnt wash his penis, then he is also at risk of other infections as a result of poor personal hygiene – The penis isnt the only area that can contract an infection!!!
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Teenage boys want to get out of the shower as quick as they entered it! My son, god bless his cotton socks is 13 this year. I still have to remind him to brush his teeth, to have a shower (otherwise he would be having one either just before bed and he would wake the two littlies or before school which would make him late as he drags the chain at the best of time). Having him clean his bits properly means that is one less thing I need to worry about. Most teenage boys are lazy! I have to remind my son also to wash his hands after going to the toilet…. OMG the list goes on. As far as I can see too, most boys at some stage go through a phase where they are just plain lazy.
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Lol I can see your point on the lazy part, & unfortunately sometimes they grow up and turn into lazy men! Just not enough of a reason for me.
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I would prefer that you don’t make generalisations about teenage boys. My 17 year old unmutilated (uncircumcised) teenage son is not lazy, and is quite capable of having a shower and cleaning himself. Just because you may say your child is lazy, please be aware that my son IS NOT.
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Jen, what a nasty thing to write on this post. “unmutilated son”. Both my sons are circumcised and to call them mutilated is just plain disgusting! You should be ashamed of yourself!
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Hi Chookbooga. My comment is true, my son is unmutilated. I stand by it. He is perfect the way he is. Thanks for your concern and your judgement,and no, I’m not ashamed of my opinion.
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Jen, a person like you should not read/write on these forums. It’s about opinions, not nastiness and name calling! Closed minded people please stay off Mamamia!! Anyway this article speaks for itself…need I say more!!!!
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Chookbooga, perhaps you should stay off this forum. My issue with your comment is that you have not taken the time to read my comment before making a personal judgement about me. My words were “My 17 year old unmutilated son…” This is the truth FOR HIM. At no time did I EVER mention your children. And I never called anyone any names, unlike you.
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‘Most teenage boys are lazy!’ Okay so you have 12 year old and therefore conclude ‘most teenage boys are lazy’. What a joke!
At any given time I have a houseful of teens 15 and over and they manage to use all the hot water with their hair washing and 20 minute showers. I think that means they’re clean. Your son is still a little kid – he’ll get the clean message soon enough. In the meantime, don’t generalise.
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Thanks Pip73. Dr Terry Russell circumcised both of my boys as well and we were very happy with the procedure and the result. Very clean, effective and painless.
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Scientific studies measuring pain during circumcision (through assessing babies’ heart rates, cortisol rates and brain waves) have proven circumcision is extremely painful. EMLA cream has very little effect on this. Plastibell is the most painful form of circumcision. The foreskin must be gouged off the glans using a probe; it then must be cut with scissors to allow the bell to be inserted. Babies feel pain more intensely than adults.
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When baby boys are born, their foreskin is attached to the head of the penis, so does have to be “detached” from it in order to put the plastibell over the penis and between the foreskin. The foreskin usually only detaches itself once a boy reaches about 4 years of age.
The excuse of teenage boys being lazy is just an excuse. You lay the groundwork when they’re little and will let you look, so that by the time they reach 15, it’s part of their routine.
I’m not actually sure where I sit on this. It was not the done thing when I had my boy, but I don’t know if I’d do it anyway.
Dr Russell is very good with circs and tongue ties, but he is very pro these things. I’ve read some of his published work. I’ve also given his name tow lot of mums after a circumcision or tongue tie snip.
Boys aren’t the only lazy ones. Teenage girls get smelly and can walk around with greasy hair, leave used sanitary products etc out in “public” and completely cover the room of their floor in clothes and every surface in the bathroom with cosmetics etc. it’s a phase for both sexes.
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A baby’s foreskin is attached to the head of his penis – can you imagine being the one who peels that tiny little membrane back from the most sensitive part of a newborn’s body? THat is horrendous!
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Totally agree pip… the fact that people can liken a male circumsicion to a female one is not only laughable, but i also think very sad. there are women out there who are ruined for life… and if i was one of these unfortunate women id be unbelievably offended if i read this. just goes to show how uneducated and stupid people can be. im not going to argue for or against… i know that its nit my place to tell one person my views are better than thiers (i dont tell negros they cant sit on my bus… i dont tell gays they’re all damned to hell and i dont tell women wether they have the right to an abortion, each to thier own) but im totally against de-valuing someones personal struggle and pain by comparing two completley different things. sure, both involve genitals and surgery.. but that is where the simalarities end. and im sure if you got a group of boys and a group of girls in the one room that had all been circumcised… they would all echo my point.
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If professor Brian Morris advocated as strongly for the government to encourage smokers to give up smoking as he is for routine male circumcision, imagine how much money and how many lives would be saved! When the biggest costs on our heath system are those created by informed choice smokers, why even bother going there with the circumcision debate!
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Five years ago, when my son was in the special care nursery I was alarmed by the most horrific screaming coming from behind a curtain. When I asked a nurse what was wrong with the baby she answered it was being circumcised. Wilst I had no intention of getting my son circumcised that sound certainly cemented my decision.
If God had intended it to be removed He wouldn’t have put it there in the first place. And if Dad is circumcised and wants junior to follow suit just so they’re the same……well, if you can’t have that discussion in later years comfortably i would hate to see how you handle the really big issues!
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Yes that’s the same story my friend tells when her son was being circumcised , horrific sceaming! Makes me feel very sorry for these little boys
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Well if God had intended us to have holes in our ears we would have been born with them….i hope you don’t wear makeup because God made your face/skin so you shouldn’t change it. Perfume, we all have put natural smell! What a crock!
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I hardly think that ear piercing, makeup and perfume can be considered equal to circumcision – let’s consider the seriousness and irreversibility of the respective procedures.
Comparing makeup/perfume (removable with water) to circumcision (an irreversible surgical procedure)?! No way.
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I have always found it odd that parents will say ‘It’s my son’s body, he can decide when he’s older, it’s not my decision’ while telling everyone about their son’s private parts! Not so much on an anonymous forum like MM, but facebook, general conversation….
I think that it’s easy to say that these aren’t issues in Australia too – I don’t expect my children to live forever in Australia (considering they have already lived overseas), I don’t expect them to always be careful with condom usage or their choice of sexual partner, and I certainly have no high aspirations for their personal hygiene as teenagers! I think these are actually issues for our children.
Still on the fence about circumcision, but I certainly wouldn’t dismiss these factors.
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My sister didn’t want her son circumcised, but her husband did. So she told him that was fine, but her husband needed to make the appointment and take their son to the clinic.
Yeah, it never got done.
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Lol nice one! That’s why my kids aren’t christened
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Circumcision is SO unnecessary for babies.. my children’s father was circumcised and the second thing he said to me when we were told that my second child was a boy.. was ” he will be circumcised” I asked why and was horrified at his answer of “so he looks like me and won’t have to ask why he is different.. ” I did some research into pros and cons and NOTHING stood out as a good reason.. thus my son coming up to 10 is intact very happy very healthy and gasp KNOWS how to keep his penis clean.. if HE decides to have this medical procedure done for himself I would support him however who has the right to decide on changing a perfectly PERFECT babies body on other people’s opinion or ideal religion or whatever .. its their little bodies and as I as a mumma of a little boy, have taught my son to “pull ya skin back and make sure you clean the bits” I am sure all ADULTS can afford to spend time showing children how to bathe.. and as a ps this was an additional reason I left my children’s father as I didn’t want my perfect baby boy mutilated.. mumma/dada nature made little bodies for a reason .. why mess with the forces..Please don’t subject children to this sort of thing our focus should be on healthy little bodies and minds and happiness for our children..
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This is pretty compelling data, but it is interesting to see the number of commenters below dismiss it completely by stating that as long as the forsekin is kept clean there will be no problem. That seems to imply that the data collected was only from men who did not keep their foreskins clean and I find that really hard to accept.
There must be something else going on with a foreskin that enables it to be a conduit for disease in both men and women. The protective effects of circumcision would be enough of an argument for me to get it done if I ever have a son. I do think the plastibell procedure should be more freely available in hospitals – that seems to be the safest way for the procedure to happen.
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Ryan McAllister, PhD, is an Assistant Professor of Physics and Oncology at Georgetown University and he has a GREAT lecture about male circumcision on YouTube. You can access it here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ceht-3xu84I. It’s not boring, he’s actually quite personable.
It goes for 30 minutes but I honestly think it is worth watching it the whole way through. He provides evidence to rebut most of the arguments that have been put forward again by this research we are talking about today.
The thing that I love the most, as a researcher myself, is that he has made all of the literature he used to support his argument available here: http://physics.georgetown.edu/~rmca/Elephant_in_the_Hospital/Neonatal%20Circumcision,%20An%20Elephant%20In%20the%20Hospital%20Files%20%28same%20as%20zip%20file%29/Circumcision%20Literature/
I must admit that I am really concerned about the use of arguments such as curcumcision decreasing the risks of STIs and specifically HIV transmission. Circumcision is not the cure, nor the key to prevention.
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Miss Muffin, since you sound like a researcher, how do you explain that the removal of an area which can clearly transmit bacteria does not translate into a lower rate of infection? For a man to *completely* clean the foreskin of bacteria which can be exposed when a man gets an erection, he would have to over-clean the area AND dry it out which of course, would irritate and cause infection in an area which is naturally quite moist (and therefore bacteria breeding).
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Because it’s not about *removing* all bacteria. You will NEVER be able to remove 100% of bacteria from any part of your body. It’s about maintaining a healthy *balance* of bacteria.
I would guess that we transmit more disease-causing bacteria on our hands than our genitals (purely because they are in contact with other people a lot more often!) but no-one is recommending routine finger amputation for newborns.
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B, I’m not a doctor or a medical researcher (I’m a sociologist), so I cannot explain to you why that might be the case. However, I don’t believe that hygiene alone is a good enough argument to endorse the practice of male circumcision. Circumcision is a social surgery – there are social reasons why we routinely practice and endorse male circumcision, yet most of us are horrified by female circumcision. Would you say the same about girls and their vulva’s? The vulva is also a place that contains bacteria, and yet we don’t “over-clean the area AND dry it out” for the reasons you mention above.
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Factsheet on circumcision from Westmead Children’s Hospital: http://kidshealth.chw.edu.au/fact-sheets/circumcision
“The Australian and New Zealand Association of Paediatric Surgeons (ANZAPS), the Australasian Urological Society and the Royal Australasian College of Physicians (RACP) do not recommend that boys be circumcised routinely. However, if you want your son circumcised, it should be done under a general anaesthetic by doctors with the appropriate skills.”
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Would never do it. I dont have an issue with those who do, however.
Except when people find out my boys arent circ-ed, wrinkle their nose in disgust and tell me how dirty uncut peckers are. Then I get a bit mad.
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People do that? Really?? Rude.
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…and creepy. I would be horrified that people felt it was appropriate to give their opinion of my child’s genitals!
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My boyfriend is circumcised. I actually prefer it. It is much easier to keep clean and he has no issue with it.
I had an ex who was kind of gross because he went camping and didn’t bother cleaning himself properly and developed an infection on his penis. The foreskin was all red and scabby. Yuck!
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well honestly if anyone didn’t wash themselves properly, they would probably be at risk of developing an infection, circumcised or not.
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I had a boyfriend that was a clean freak and still got infections. He ended up choosing to get himself circumcised at 26 because as well as his infections he could barely handle his penis being touched because it was so sensitive when he had an erection! It was terrible to have it done at that age!
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I had never thought about it very much one way or another…i didnt realise it even really still happened aside from religious reasons and maybe medical reasons, no one talked about it, until one day – shamefully,more years into adulthood than i care to admit -i realised after seeing a picture in a health book of an uncircumcised penis that my few boyfriends who id been with intimately had all been circumcised…. i had always assumed that was how penises looked normally LOL, i never quite got what they meant wen ppl would joke about the turtleneck sweater or the helmet…duuuhhhh!!
and here i was thinking i was quite savvy and informed the whole time!!
i didnt see an uncircumcised penis until my husband.
when i fell pregnant with a boy and someone asked me what i would do, then it became a subject of heated debate between a group of friends at the dinner table (of all places) one night.
We did not have him circumcised, at no stage was it even mentioned by doctors or paediatrician we saw. if it was just up to me i wouldnt do it anyway just because i have no strong convictions about it one way or another and therefore could not justify the surgery, but my husband did not want it done either, he is uncircumcised as are other males in his family, and none of them have ever had any complications or problems so i guess it was just based on that.
of my three close friends who have boys, two of them have had their sons circumcised and their reasons were because the father was circumcised and they both wanted their sons to be the same.
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My boys are not. We asked our pediatrician when our first boy was born what we should do, he said in his 20+ years he has seen more complications from the procedure itself than the other way round. He said the hygiene issues were only beneficial if you were living in a third country with no running water. His own sons are not so that was enough for us to decide. Personally I have issues with this painful procedure being done on infants, but if they were to have it done later in life it would be under anesthetic. Each to their own though, I’ve got friends and family that have decided to get their boys done. I wish you could be given an answer that was consistent no matter which hospital/dr you speak to. I hope we’ve done the right thing.
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I’ve..um…experienced both and IMO it doesn’t make a difference either way…..they’re all good
Even though hubby is, we didn’t have our boys done. We were both a bit scared of the doc slipping with the knife and cutting the tiny little thing off!
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I actually read an article that said, more infants die due to a complication during the procedure, than adult males die from contracting an infection.
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I had my son circumcised at two weeks old. As much as I was adamant before he was born I would do it (his father’s culture and also 3 of my 5 male cousins requiring it done before they were ten due to a variety of reasons).
He was asleep when he went in the doctors room and asleep when he came out. He had the “Plastibell” procedure which does not involve any cutting of any skin. It did not seem to bother him at all for the few days it took for the foreskin and plastic ring to “fall off” in his nappy. I felt guilty each time I saw it, thinking I had chosen a cosmetic procedure for such a young child, but now it’s done and is done forever and I am happy with my reasons and the outcome.
None of my other friends with sons have done it, although 80% of them say they would have opted for it if the procedure was offered in hospital vs having to go out to a clinic and get it done.
, and although it was a pain for the 5 or so days it tok
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Sorry but if you research it the ‘plastibell’ procedure it does involve cutting, they have to remove the foreskin after they have tied the plastibell thing on. This is a common misconception that there is no cutting, there is it is just done differently. My sons were both done with this procedure as well.
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Then it must be different at different clinics – I was in the room for my son and there was no cutting at all.
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Whoa.
So, I’ve been starting to think, why circumcise, when guys can clean themselves and use condoms? I don’t think I know anyone who’s been circumcised.
I am TOTALLY wrong. As it turns out, ALL the private man parts I’ve had glimpses of, family members included, must be circumcised. I’ve been doing research just now to compare what the difference is, and nobody’s penis that I’ve seen looks like they have that whole foreskin there.
Until this day, I had NO IDEA what an uncircumcised penis looked like! I’m not jewish or anything either, just an anglo-saxon country NSW girl.
Where did my sex education go? I know about foreskins, have intimately known a few penises, but as it turns out I don’t really know that much at all. Not surprising, as my family never talks about this stuff, and I guess I’ve never questioned it.
I wonder if my husband knows that he must have been circumcised as a baby?
MIND BLOWN.
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Remember that even men WITH foreskins will ‘look’ circumcised when erect. Flaccid is where you see the difference (and who cares what a flaccid penis looks like?)
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My husband is circumcised and felt strongly that he wanted our little boy done too, I wanted to support my husband but wanted to do my research first. We were thorough, read alot spoke to all sorts of professionals. In the end I decided that my personal preference on all counts would be to go ahead and corcucise him but my barrier was that my personal preference may not be my sons. I explained to my husband that I felt it was his body and therefore his choice. He will grow up knowing his dads positive experience and views and should he wish to go ahead with the procedure later in life then it will be up to him. Both my husband and I are content with our choice as we made it in a educated and considered way, I also feel no judgement for people who’s choice is different to ours.
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I think we should leave them as nature intended. The human body is amazing. We should trust its design.
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Totally agree- why cut sonething off because you ‘might’ have a problem later in life. Perhaps we should take out infants appendix to prevent future problems???
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Like an appendix, right?
My surgeon told me that he was too that if 2/3rds of the appendices he took out weren’t healthy ones, he wasn’t taking out enough.
I’m bloody glad, because it looked like I *could* have appendicitis, but probably didn’t. Surgeon decided to operate anyway… And found that my appendix WAS badly inflamed, and if it had been left any longer it would have burst and I would probably have died.
If circumcision at birth could potentially save one man’s life (but you don’t know which man until it happens), is it worth cutting them all off?
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NO!!!
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I feel the same. I had to have my tonsils out at 26 and it was just as bad as having a baby, probably worse – no joke. I ended up having tumors (thankfully non-cancerous) in my throat from years of repeated infections of tonsillitis. I ended up with 26 stitches in my throat. I wish it had still been routine to take them out when I was little!
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When our eldest son was born in 1990 I didn’t have strong feelings either way on circumcision. My husband (who is cut) was for it but after talking to our doctor we decided against circumcision. We went on to have two more sons and have never regretted our decision.
When this story was on tv yesterday my 14 year old asked me what circumcision was. It is not an issue that they are “different” to there father.
If circumcision is required for medical reasons, by all means have it done. But routinely performing them on newborn boys is unnecessary
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i know a couple of people who had circumcisions in their twenties, one due to an infected foreskin and another had a hernia removed and was offered to be circumcised at the same time. both wish they’d been circumcised as an infant
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I wonder whether the higher risk of infections was related to being uncircumcised or just poor hygiene/ lack of education about proper penile hygiene. I have a strong sense it is the latter. I also wonder whether they discuss the advantages of having a foreskin as opposed to not
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As I mentioned below, my husband got an infection as a little boy (under 5, when his parents were still responsible for his hygiene)… And they are a doctor and a nurse.
The cells of the foreskin are really prone to infection… But you’d need a doctor to explain that.
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Typo???
“More uncircumcised boys got urinary tract infections than uncircumcised boys…”
I did a double-take with this sentence…
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i know a couple of people who had circumcisions in their twenties, one due to an infected foreskin and another had a hernia removed and was offered to be circumcised at the same time. both wish they’d been circumcised as a child.
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That was the norm back then, so they probably grew up with friends and family who were circumcised. These days its the opposite.
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oh no this was recently! we’re all 23
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I have two little boys and my husband I chose not to have them circumcised as we didn’t think it was necessary at the time. As far as I can see from the WHO website, there is no strong recommendation or health policy that states all baby boys should be circumcised unlike vaccination which is a strong health policy for all children. If the WHO change their stance and the Australian Medical and Health organisations also do, then I may consider our decision to be wrong. I suspect if that recommendation ever comes about, my boys will be old enough to make their own decisions on whether or not to get their foreskins sliced off!
On a side note, I’m not really sure why this Professor Morris dude cares so much about whether or not we all take a knife to our baby boys’ penises….
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Cervial Cancer? Really?
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Cervical caner is a sexually transmitted disease but I can’t ever remember the finger being pointed at men for carrying this virus and spreading it.
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Boys have HPV virus too, it can be responsible for throat and mouth cancers spread by oral sex and what not. But according to the research cited, circumcision helps reduce the spread of the HPV virus from men to women. So it claims, anyhow.
There are actually moves afoot for the Gardasil vaccine to be funded for boys by the Federal Government.
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Its a no brainer that we should be giving our boys the Gardisil vaccine. Sure the girls will be protected from the most common forms of HPV that cause cervical cancer but do we really want our boys getting genital warts!
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Cervical cancer is not a sexually transmitted disease. Nuns get cervical cancer. HPV is the cause and it can be spread sexually but not always.
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I have a little boy and was adamant i was getting “it’ circumcised if it was born a boy.. When he came out a boy after a few days of looking at his gorgeous little penis i just couldn’t do it.. I seemed to want to for the wrong reasons.. Because his father is really isn’t a good enough argument and my husband didn’t feel right about it either.. I’m sure the chance of his contacting an STI as a child is not even relevant and i hope to teach him how to “clean” his bits and bobs and use a condom when the time is right far far far away.. I remember at school there was such a small handful or boys that were not circumcised and they were called names like “Hoodie” and the like and now is it when my son goes to school the boys who are circumcised will be called names? I saddens me to think genitals can be fashionable, just like vagina’s.. Cool if your all neat and tidy, not cool if your not.. Please.. As if we don’t have enough to worry about now our private parts may be wrong.. As for the to lop or not to lop.. That is the question, and it’s up to us as parents.. x
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“Gorgeous little penis.” I laughed out loud. They are gorgeous, arent they? Sweet little things.
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Aww how sweet! Thats the thing I dont get, as a mother, the last thing I wont to do is put my child in harm’s way. So why people would choose to perform surgery on their newborn is just crazy to me!
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It’s because they often think they are taking the child OUT of harm’s way.
And my view is, they are deeply misguided.
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This is exactly how I felt! During my pregnancy I was all for circumcision as my husband is and I’d never given it much thought! When he was born it was the last thing I thought about! My GP mentioned it at the 6 week check up and I was like ‘no way’! I just couldn’t bring myself to do it. My husband was a little annoyed and worried about the hygiene factor… But I was adamant and time flies when they are newborns so it’s no longer brought up… But yep I laughed at your comment of it being beautiful… I could agree!!
Although I must admit reading this research has made me stress though as to whether or not I made the right choice now as it all sounds rather scary and I would never knowingly want to contribute to my son getting any of these things mentioned….
Ah parenthood x
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I am not convinced. I think it’s dangerous to say men who are circumcised are less likely to get STIs, UTIs etc… This can be achieved by practicing good hygiene and safe sex (and limiting the number of sexual partners).
I’ve worked in a kids hospital and I gave definitely seen some less than desirable results from circs.
Plus HOW on earth do you expect public hospitals to fund this? We are over stretched as it is. If every baby boy got circumcised, it would require more staff, more time and more theatre facilities which don’t exist.
If you want your baby circumcised then do it in a private hospital.
I’ve got to think there is some kind of ulterior motive here.
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I think I’ll skip my lunchtime banana today, thanks guys.
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Most sons will follow their Dads, that’s what I found out when I had my son and couldn’t decide what to do. The Father of my son had most say, I didn’t want to fight it because I didn’t have a penis. But I did do my research and found that there were more reasons to do it than not to. There are risks both ways, but I was reassured my the doctor I went to that risk of infection was unheard of because the baby’s skin regenerates itself quite quickly. It is probably better to circumcise as a child rather than as an adult as there won’t be as many complications. My son recovered within less than a week and urinated normally with no discomfort what so ever from day one! I was thankful the procedure went so well.
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I worked for many years in aged care and saw the problems uncircumcised men had with uti’s and strictures that were very painful. My husband, son and grandson were all circumcised. No question.
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My mother works in aged care also, she has never seen this issue only in uncircumcised men. Perhaps your residents were just unlucky lol
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I have also worked in aged care and adults with disABILITIES and I have often encounted UTI’s skin infections and some other really gross things. I have seen men in their 60′s, 70′s and 80′s have their penises circumcised due to lazy nurses. They have been in pain for weeks after sometimes months. After seeing the pain and aggravation these men go through. I chose to have my four sons circumcised. When I gave my husband my reasons he said fair enough, he didn’t mind either way.
It is a personal choice. I did what I believe is best for my sons. And every other parent does what’s best for their sons.
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Both my sons are uncircumcised. They were born with foreskins, so I left their bodies as they were made. It’s not my penis, so it’s not my choice to make.
They are 16 and 11 years old and have had no hygeine problems. As for the STI side of it, well condoms alleviate that don’t they? Or, silly me, is that just too simplistic?
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A male with an intact penis is no more likely to suffer UTIs, infection or STDs than an intact vulva.
Keep it clean. Wear a condom.
Unless you live in a third world country without access to clean water and condoms these reasons just sound like laziness.
Are men really so incompetent that they can’t keep their Willy clean? Sounds a bit insulting.
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Vulvas and penises are completely different and it’s pointless to compare them. What is relevant is that research establishes that circumsised penises are LESS likely to suffer UTIs, infection or STDs.
Having said that, in a first world country it’s not like a man or boy is likely to suffer any devstating side-effects of being circumsised or not (although men who’ve had adult circumcisions for medical reasons might beg to differ!) – so really it is largely a moral decision.
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