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By MELISSA WELLHAM

There have been 26 cases of children self-harming at a single asylum seeker detention centre in Darwin in the past 16 months. And disturbingly some of these children are as young as nine-years-old.

Child psychiatrists have issued warnings for the past 10 years that keeping children in detention centres would likely have negative consequences for their mental health – and now they are devastatingly being proved correct.

The many stories to emerge from this one detention centre, are simply heartbreaking.

Children and teenagers have turned to cutting; slashing their wrists and arms with razor blades. One 17-year-old boy tried to hang himself and when he was caught, insisted that he would try again. Another teenager repeatedly bashed his head against a metal pole – and had to be hospitalised – after his case review to be allowed to remain in Australia, failed.

A nine-year-old boy tried to overdose on his mother’s painkillers.

He wanted to get out. He wanted an escape.

He said later that he was “going crazy” in detention.

children in detention2 What would compel a 9 year old child to do this?And while this case has been listed in official documents as an incident of “self-harm” (because the staff at the detention centre are not medically qualified to make an assessment as to whether they count as attempted suicide) – it is acknowledged that the 9-year-old boy took the tablets knowing what they were going to do to him.

He was aware what the consequences could be. He wanted to die.

These shocking incidents are enough to make you sick to your stomach and yet according to the Department of Immigration and Citizenship, the 26 cases of self-harm between August 2010 and November 2011 is a “significant decrease” on previous years.

26 children self-harming. And that’s supposed to be some kind of improvement.

It’s likely that children in other detention centres around Australia have experienced similarly traumatic circumstances – and may be desperately trying to release their pain in similar ways.

So surely this points to the fact that young children should simply not be allowed to go on living in these conditions.

Detention is not an appropriate place for kids, especially over an extended period of time; as many families spend years waiting to see if their cases will be successful.

Louise Newman, a professor of developmental psychiatry at Monash University, told Lateline that:

“Fundamentally what it says to those of us in mental health and health professions is that children should not be detained.”

children in detention1 What would compel a 9 year old child to do this?

And it’s as simple as that.

Is there any amount of money that could be invested into mental health resources that will really help these children?

Children who are growing up in circumstances that no child should have to endure. Children who are frightened and uncertain of their futures. Children who have been taken away from everything that is familiar to them – who have sometimes escaped from war torn countries, or communities stricken by poverty – only to find themselves imprisoned once more.

 

Fernanda Dahlstrom, from the Darwin Asylum Seeker Support and Advocacy Network, who made the FOI request that led to these harrowing facts being released, told the Sydney Morning Herald:

“Months after the announcement that children will be sent offshore, they still have not been told how long they will have to endure offshore detention.”

“In the months and years to come, an epidemic of child self-harm is likely to occur on Manus Island. If it does, the government cannot say they did not see it coming.”

Refugee policies are a complex, divisive part of Australian politics.

But with stories like these emerging, one wonders if the complexities of the situation shouldn’t be simplified; if the politics couldn’t somehow be removed from the policy.

When children are driven to inflict physical pain on themselves, as the only way they have of showing their mental pain to the world - it’s clear that something needs to change.

We look to our leaders. And we wait…

If this post raises issues for you, you can seek support and information about suicide prevention by contacting Lifeline on 13 11 14 or Kids Helpline 1800 55 1800 (for young people aged 5 to 25).

What do you think of refugee and asylum seeker policy in Australia?

To show your support for children being allowed to live in the community and not in detention, you can visit the Welcome to Australia website here. Mamamia’s Publisher Mia Freedman is an ambassador for Welcome to Australia who give everyday Australians opportunities to engage in practical acts of welcome for asylum seekers, refugees and other new arrivals.

The Minister responsible for conditions in Australia’s detention centres is the Minister for Home Affairs the Hon Jason Clare MP. You can contact the Minister at jason.clare.mp@aph.gov.au or on Twitter @JasonClareMP.

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103 Comments so far

  1. Michelle

    Why is mamamia continuously writing and campaigning about asylum seekers. It seems to be on here every second day. Can’t you give it a break or at least a much campaign time as other issues?

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  2. Anonymous

    I struggle to find people who agree with what the government are doing to refugees, yet they keep right on doing it. I seriously have no idea who to vote for on election day because they both disgust me. I can only hope that we will one day look back on this in shame.

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  3. Vincas

    Captivity – contrary to the laws of nature. There is no slavery in the wild nature. Only the human egoism can dothat. We see that happens to animals in captivity. The same for man and even worse. There can‘t be no right decision, going against the laws of nature. Thats why captivity can not be re-education tool. On the contrary, a person can only rehabilitate the perception of freedom being free and taking care of others freedom. This requires an integral understanding of the world, the integral education.

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    • needshelp

      True, in nature animals that stray into anothers territory are attacked and killed. Lets hope we arn’t going down the path of nature. The problem is this is not a simple argument. If we open our borders many many more people will try to come, many will die in the sea and our infrastructure will struggle to cope. No body wants to imprison anyone but what is the alternaitve?

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  4. Anon

    What about when the govt secretly house 30 grown men at Macquarie Uni near the girls accommodation and one allegedly sexually assaults a young student! (Ref: current news) moderators: please add this comment as it is important!!

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    • Lia

      Why? To illustrate that in all groups of people in the world there are those whom commit vile attacks on people? That man did not assault the student because he was an asylum seeker but because he is a vulgar person. You only need to watch the news at night to hear what horrible things happen to people.

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      • Anon

        Yes but who was he! Was he a vulgar criminal in Sri Lanka.we don’t know who these people are so why are we housing them near young girls at a university!!

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  5. Anonymous

    I think they should get unlimited subway

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  6. Kate

    My problem is the expectation that they have . Wanting plenty once they arrive. When they are not released straight away and given the family home and other goodies then they destroy . How quickly we have forgotten how they caused a major fire and rebelled a few years back. Gives us an insite of their capabilities when they assimilate into society and that is scary stuff.

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    • Lia

      Wanting plenty???? What is that? Freedom?
      What do asylum seekers demand exactly that is so outrageous? You think it is reasonable to be kept locked up for years despite being a genuine refugee as the majority of asylum seekers end up bring? They are not given a
      home, they have temporary accommodation and then are expected to support themselves like anyone else. The same way a woman fleeing domestic
      Violence may be given temporary shelter but then must make her own way in the world. Most people get a month of accommodation. I got two weeks when I moved interstate for work. Not easy to set yourself up in a month.

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      • Anonymous

        Sorry they get a home not temp accommodation as you do think. They get centrelink payments and a place to call home. They have permanent residency once they are placed.

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        • Lucinda

          They absolutely do not, this is garbage. Check your facts. Refugee status means exactly that, they are refugees. They are given temporary accomodation and the [b]ability to apply for[/b] permanent residency and then Australian citizenship. And they are entitled to significantly less from centrelink than permanent residents of Australia. FACT.

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      • Anonymous

        Once they are released they are given permanent accommodation to which they are entitled to long term. Fully furnished I may add.

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        • Lulu

          Untrue, according to the Dept of Immigration & Dept of Human Services websites. If you believe it is true, please provide details of which govt programme provides this, including webpage etc.

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        • Anon

          $10000 worth of furniture which I am sure many people living in Australia only dream to ever have!!

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          • Bright

            Source, Anon?

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          • JoJo

            Your comment is wholly untrue, Anon. It is so important in this debate that we get the facts right. Asylum seekers and refugees are such easy targets for fear-mongering. The issues are complex. Let’s make sure we don’t make them more so with untruths.

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  7. Caz Gibson

    Of course these children should be allowed to live in the community if they and their family wish it for them.
    If you allow resentment to build up in these children – you’ll end up with resentful teenagers and adults who will not feel that Australia helped them when they were most in need and at their most vulnerable.

    Their tendency to self-harm may be their only way out – particularly if they witness older refugees doing it and getting a result.

    This whole issue is being hopelessly mishandled – most of them are genuine, tragic refugees who are desperate and need our compassion and help.
    Why can’t the children not be treated like terrorists at least ?

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  8. Lia

    I am saddened and revolted by so many of the comments here. To those who have such a negative view of asylum seekers I ask…what exactly are they ‘taking’ away from you personally for you
    to want to turn people away? Refugees flee not just to Australia but most countries in the world. We are a country if migrants so I find it revolting that because our relatives came here before us suddenly it is ‘our’ country and we are full. Australia is an island in the world not an exclusive resort. I am human just as much as an asylum seeker and we all deserve the opportunity to work and live a peaceful life away from persecution fear war and starvation. Surely we are better than locking up children who deserve education and play away from trauma stress and prison camps. As they say civilizations are judged by how they treat the most vulnerable. I would hardly call incarcerating children civilized….

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  9. Anon

    But it is illegal to destroy all documentation and lie about who you are! Mr 25 pretending you are 16.

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  10. Australia

    Why do refugees come to Australia?

    I don’t believe locking children up is ok. At all. Kids should have grass to play on and space to explore.

    But why are they fleeing these countries? Is there no space left?

    Or are they fleeing from a country whose laws/religion restricts these things?

    Will they arrive here wanting to adopt the grass under foot Australian way? If so please resettle and adopt to our culture. Otherwise accept the laws/religion you follow and accept the consequences of life in that country.

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  11. Anonymous

    I think we should give them Hoytes tickets to free movies

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    • Nat

      Our country is going to be very distressed in a few years time. Poor infrastructure, congested hospitals , insufficient housing, water restrictions high unemployment. And all we are worrying about is the time it takes for these thousands upon thousands of refugees to be released. We need to worry about how it will affect this countries future .

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  12. Lily

    What a heartwrenching article! I’m not a religious person, but things like this get me thinking that if we acted by the 2 most fundamental laws, the world would be a very different place, and we would not be having such articles.

    I’m talking about ‘do not do to others that which is hated by you’, and ‘love your neighbour as yourself’.

    In fact I wish we had ‘instant karma’ to the extent that whatever we inflict on another, we would feel to the same extent. I’m sure that would stop alot of our actions and make us live in concern and regard for one another.

    But in the here and now these dreadful things are happening. It is true that many refugees are exploited by allowing them to think that all will be well once they arrive in Australia. And maybe if there was some way of letting them know that it is not rosey, those that are not in real fear of their life will be deterred from attempting the journey.

    Because Australia is starting to feel the affects of the global economic climate, and we will see very significant shifts in unemployment this year, which will add a burden to our society.

    What to do? I don’t have the answers, but I only hope that we all start to recognize that the crises are pushing us to start to unite above our differences and help each other in a mutually responsible manner.

    And if we don’t I imagine there will be mass global unrest and turmoil which we will not escape, and possibly a huge rise in hate crimes and even wars.

    I hope we can globally come to a change of heart and embrace mutual responsibility as the way forward, out from this cut throat dog eat dog existence.

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  13. Dee

    To all these do gooders… If you are so happy to have these people assimilate into society why don’t you have the refugees live in your area. Typically evyond want them placed in society but no one wants them in their area.

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    • Liza

      I would have them in a heartbeat.

      They’re people.

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      • Anonymous

        Really? How many single middle eastern men would you like? There are 30000 of them. Let us know how it goes.

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        • Sasha

          I would take that any day over 30000 people with yours or Dee’s attitudes.. imagine THAT community – a bunch of racists spouting “baby overboard”,”they take our taxes/want a free ride” hyperbole, who are quite happy to bury their heads in the sand while their government’s policy for mandatory detention clearly breaches Australia’s human rights obligations.

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        • Liza

          Sorry? Which bit am I supposed to fear? The Middle Eastern part? Or the single men bit? I’ve lived in a mining town fall of single men and I’ve lived next to a mosque… Can’t say either was an issue.

          Agree with Sasha – refugees are far better than racists!

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        • Anonymous

          I’d happily have them all living in my own home, but I’m not sure they’d fit. I rather that than have them exposed to the disgusting bigotry.

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    • Nina

      I live in an area with many refugees, mostly African, and it’s a wonderful neighborhood. I wouldn’t have it any other way. It certainly makes me happy to see their smiling faces as the frolicking in the playground rather than behind bars. Who wouldn’t want that?!

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    • mscate

      I would be more than happy to have more refugees in my area (we currently have those escaped from previous oppressive regimes in Vietnam, Timor, Sierra Leone etc).

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    • borogirl

      Also happy to have them in my area.

      Racists not so much.

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    • That Girl Fiona

      What a bizarre comment, Dee.
      I’d be more than happy to have them live around me. As Liza said, they’re people. Big deal.

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    • Anne

      I am privileged to live in an area with a large number of refugees and have opened my home to them. We also have one who lives with us permanently which has been enriching to all our lives. People fleeing torture and killing deserve our respect and help.

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    • Friend

      Refugees do live in my area. They also go to school with my kids and shop in the same shopping centre that we do. It is very possible that they live their lives within your area too. You just don’t notice because they are just normal people. Perhaps we can sew some sort of symbol onto their clothes so we can identify them? Sound familiar?

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    • Gemack

      I am moving out of my parents house in a reasonably affluent, very monocultural suburb, and my “dream suburb” has many refugees, particularly from the Middle East and Africa. The hustle and bustle of the town, community spirit and great illustration of multiculturalism in Australia is what makes me want to move there!

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  14. Mickle

    Some of these comments make me feel sick, where is your empathy?

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  15. Suki

    It would be interesting to know if the asylum seekers know that they will be detained upon arrival. One assumes this to be the case.

    If so, those that bring children have obviously decided that detention is better than staying in their homeland. That being the case, waiting whilst your case is processed should be gratefully accepted.

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    • Lulu

      “One assumes this to be the case.”

      One shouldn’t assume without confirmation.

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    • Lucinda

      So if you’d fled your home country, with nothing, traumatised, desperate, mentally anguished, terrified and suffering physically and mentally from the inside out, hoping that the country you had chosen was your last beacon of hope…. it would matter whether or not you knew you might be detained???? Would knowing that detention was probable make it perfectly OK to be locked up for months and months on end like an animal?

      Try to imagine how you might feel in that situation, it isn’t hard to do…

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  16. Anonymous

    If I had gathered my children and fled in fear of their lives I wouldn’t care if I spent the rest of my life in an Australian detention centre. My children would be alive, safe, warm, fed, educated and have world class medical attention.

    I would be grateful, respectful, abide by the rules of the land and WAIT until the authorities had processed me!

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    • Guest

      Like this post a lot. If you came from a place where you were not assured of food, water, shelter and free from threat and all these human requirements plus more are satisfied for yourself and your children, what more in the immediate sense, do you want. And all costing nothing to you. Not even working to provide for your needs. It’s very hard to satisfy these refugees.

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      • Beg to differ

        If we follow your logic, how do you explain our criminal justice system using jail sentences as a punishment? Free food; free accomodation! I suspect its not as cushy as you are making out. Imagine having to trade your freedom for your security.

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        • Guest

          Very clear difference Beg to differ.

          If you’re an assylum seeker fleeing from violence, poverty, threats of death etc etc etc, detention where you and your children have shelter, food, safety etc should be preferred. If you’re a criminal, the alternative to jail (ie being in the community) is nowhere near comparable to any of the places assylum seekers come from.

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    • Alice

      If it was an Australian citizen suffering depression and self harming for any reason, would your response be “you are safe and warm, what possible reason do you have to complain, just be quiet and be grateful?” I certainly hope not, and I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t. Yet when it’s a non-Australian, they have to have some standard of horrendousness that they’re living with in order for their depression/self harm to be justified? For them not to just have to be grateful? I find that so bizarre, so short sighted and so lacking in compassion.

      Your comment also suggests you haven’t actually done any research into the condition people in mandatory detention are living in. Most don’t have access to “world class medical attention”, education or reasonable housing, etc etc. More than that, they are not necessarily healthy, well people just having to rough it for a bit – they are people (children included) with serious physical and emotional traumas that need tending to.

      I’m sure they are stoked they’re no longer being actively bombed, raped or murdered – but does that mean that we can treat them as subhuman, on the grounds that they should be grateful for any care at all? Where is your compassion?

      It’s very easy to get on your high horse and say you’d be grateful and happy when you’re probably never going to be in that position, because you (and I) are privleged enough to be born in a first world, war free country. We should acknowledge ourselves as the lucky ones and try to help people in less fortunate positions, rather than telling them to be grateful that they’re in slightly less hellish conditions.

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      • Lizi

        Can’t like this post enough times. Especially paragraph three.

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      • Anonymous

        Oh for heavens sake! The conditions that our mentally ill, disabled and carers are living in is FAR worse than those in the detention centres. I’ve seen it! Out of 1200 men there is only ONE who I’d be happy to see resettled in Australa with my daughters and YOURS. They have no respect for women and they laugh about lying to infidels. That’s you and me.

        You are living in a very dangerous fairy tale.

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        • Lucinda

          Funny, counsellors and psychologists who work in detention centres tell a very different story…

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          • Guest

            If they didn’t tell a “different story” they wouldn’t have a job. Would they? Listen carefully to the language they use and the way they tell their story …

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      • Guest

        Logic? I also do not have “world class medical attention”. I don’t have private insurance. I also do not have “reasonable housing”. In fact, I live on the edge of homelessness. I also am not a “healthy, well person” but manage anyway. I also “rough it”, in fact I don’t have a stove to cook on at the moment. I also have physical and emotional traumas that need attending to”. I want my needs attended to before those of foreigners. The ONLY purpose of the state is to protect its citizens. I come first.

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        • Lia

          It seems those who are at the bottom of society can only bash those who are even lower being asylum seekers. You live in a country with Medicare and access to mental health support lines. What a repulsive me me me attitude. If you dislike your life then do something about it. The government doesn’t owe you anything. We are responsible for ourselves. The refugees I have known have been the hardest working most grateful citizens I have encountered. I take a bow to someone who comes with nothing to start a life from scratch. They have my respect.

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    • Lulu

      Anonymous, if it’s so great in the detention centres, why aren’t you banging on the door yourself, pleading to be allowed to live there?

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      • Anonymous

        Because one of my gggrandmothers was sent here against her will during the ‘clearances’ of Scotland. Others were sent for rebellion in Ireland, others to escape the potato famine. They arrived and died in poverty and depravation, they buried babies and lost sons in the wars. And one was an Aboriginal woman. And my children are the first in one hundred and fifty years to go to university. They lost their land in Scotland. They were displaced and starving. They lost their land here and were displaced. But they never had a government handout nor broke the law. They worked hard, lived on dirt floors, went without shoes and built this country for my children and YOURS.

        Don’t confuse immigration with illegal arrivals. One has always been welcomed with open arms. The other is costing billions that should be spent on genuine need.

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        • Lulu

          What you’ve said doesn’t seem to relate to what I said. But you’re talking to the wrong person if you want to bring stories of immigration & dispossession. I come from a very long line of immigrants, refugees, expellees, you name it. Some of my ancestors were Irish & Scottish but probably weren’t dispossessed of their land – bit difficult when they didn’t own it.

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          • Anonymous

            If you knew any Scottish history you would know that few owned it. Like the Aboriginals, even though they didn’t ‘own’ it, it was their land. The Highland clearances saw thousands of poor crofters thrown from their basic shelters, old, young, those disabled in the wars. Australia didn’t simply emerge as the golden land – many generations of immigrants and Indigenous have suffered for what we have today. I say we should look after our own and genuine refugees first. With nealy 300 billion dollars worth if government debt, our most vulnerable are going to be hit hard.

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        • Liza

          It is not illegal to seek asylum.

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        • Sasha

          “Others were sent for rebellion in Ireland, others to escape the potato famine…”
          So it’s OK by you for your ancestors to escape to Australia from oppression and famine and forge new lives for their families. Well it is OK in my books for families fleeing from oppression and famine to want a better life for their children too.
          Seeking Asylum is not illegal, it wasn’t in the 1850s and it isn’t now.
          If you are worried they’re getting a “free ride” well ask your government why their processing of Asylum Seekers has not changed when time and time again they have been told that Mandatory detention does not work. Surely it would make far more sense socially AND economically to process asylum seekers onshore and assimilate them into community. They don’t come here to take your taxes Anonymous, they come here for the same reasons and under the same horrific conditions your family did.

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        • Shaezy

          “Don’t confuse immigration with illegal arrivals”

          Don’t confuse illegal immigrants with refugees.

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    • Anne

      I know you think that, but have you been to one? There is no work, no structure to a day, no knowing when your case will be processed – whether you are there for a week or five years, no school… It is a limbo land where life has no purpose apart from the waiting. I recommend you go visit one to see for yourself and then decide whether you would like to be stuck there indefinitely. Mandatory detention is not the only option. We are one of few countries in the world with it.

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    • Bright

      You clearly haven’t watched the news recently; the UN have repeatedly said the conditions in our detention centres are not acceptable. Do you have any idea how long our current process takes? Upwards of 10 years. I dunno, but I think the fact that people who are turned away by our Government have a tendency to kill themselves would suggest there’s something wrong with the process. You obviously have very little understanding of human psychology, because the reason why these people appear “ungrateful” is obvious to anyone with even the slightest knowledge.

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  17. Cg

    Absolute nonsense! As long as children are safe, fed and loved they don’t care where they are. I have seen the facilities and the conditions first hand and I can assure there are *thousands* of Australan born child who would love to have the living arrangements of these children.

    This story is a nonsense. If there is a culture of self-harm then it has nothing to do with the generosity of Australuans who have spent *billions* on the 33000 asylum seekers who have arrived under Rudd and Gillard. Please stop with the guilt! There are thousands of genuine refugees who have missed out because of this failed policy.

    As for the naive who insist that people should be put straight into the community – we have one nurse in hospital with TB and the carrier is somewhere out there. Maybe coming into contact with your child?

    They are already out in the community because there are so many if them. Just ask the girl who was sexually assaulted by one of the 80 men being housed at Macquare University. Or ask the people at Wollongong caravan park who have been told to get rid of their vans so that *more* $3000 per week cabins can be built or the abused women who can’t find emergency housing.

    I refuse to feel one ounce of guilt any more. If what we’re doing isn’t good enough then bad luck. I feel guilt and sadness for the terminally I’ll who are now terrified by Gillard’s slashing of palliative care nursing while she gives hundreds of millions to raise the public profile of women in Asia.

    Labor has lost control of our borders. Resign!

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    • Barbara

      I agree CG. I’m sure our homeless would love the accommodation the asylum seekers are given. We have huge waiting lists for Australian families in need. Some of whom have reverted to living in tents cause there isn’t anything available. The asylum seekers have accommodation, food and are a community within themselves. Try being grateful to have what you have rather then what you didn’t have in your original country.

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      • Carly

        Define a ‘genuine’ refugee…

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    • MC

      You are absolutely spot on.

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  18. Anonymous

    Most Australians have no idea about life outside of Australia. We are very fortunate and lucky in our demorcratic society. Most refuges come to Australia as a desparete last resort. Come on people they put their lives and that of there families so that they will be free and not live there lives in constant fear.

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  19. Anonymous

    I believe in the majority of these cases the parents put the children up to harming themselves, or even harm their own children, in the hopes of being realeased earlier. It’s not unheard of.

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    • Lana

      Are you kidding? In the majority of cases? Where are you getting this?
      Perhaps from the same people that suggested asylum seeks were throwing their own children overboard? FFS.

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      • Anonymous

        I know its shocking, who harms their own kids? Desperate people? Conniving people? Don’t be so naive to think it doesn’t happen. Because it does.

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      • Zepgirl

        Come on, Lana, Anonymous has cited irrefutable proof. It’s something that they ‘believe’. FACT.

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      • Anonymous

        They did.

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        • Lana

          A senate report and another independent report would beg to differ.

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  20. vivacious

    I can’t help but think in 10 or 20 or 30 years from now some prime minister of Australia will be standing in the Parliament giving an apology speech to the refugees who went through this trauma. Many, if not most will get granted asylum and we are going to be left with at least one if not several generations with serious mental health problems. The cost to our community for treating that will be huge.

    I do understand the need for medical and security checks but the years we leave these people in untenable situations is crazy. There has to be a better, more humane way to treat people. We are an extremely privileged country, surely we can share that.

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    • Michelle

      I hope they aren’t.

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    • missamoo

      They didn’t apologise to the ‘ populate or perish’ displaced people. My mothers family were separated for over two years and then when they were back together my mother had to be re taught her mother tongue and they lived in half a garage in Northcote with another family with only a sheet dividing them. They worked hard and made a place for themselves. Making the choice to leave your country of birth, or even having it made for you can be awful. But there has to be a happy medium between no screening and this lengthy process.

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  21. Andrea

    Can I make a suggestion? When you write these stories, could you please also, provide some direction as to what we could do to resolve the issue? ie link to a petition that could be submitted to politicians or the correct decision makers. I feel our attention is brought to situations like these, we read, we comment here, then nothing happens. We need to start treating our children as the precious resource of the future that they are, all children have the right to a childhood, so that they can be functioning well adjusted adults. A good saying is that it is easier to build up a child than it is to repair an adult. We should all remember this in every aspect of life. Protect the child first.

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  22. Natasha

    This makes me smell a rat. Obviously these so called suffering people’s torturous life before coming to Australia is questionable. Thank you for pointing this out to everyone in this post this morning.

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    • Lulu

      I smell rats too – just not where you do.

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    • JLH

      That’s your response? Get some perspective- fleeing a traumatic situation then being detained indefinitely in horrific conditions…

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      • Anonymous

        Horrific conditions?? There are detention centres in other countries that could be described as horrific, not Australian ones. Seriously now.

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  23. Ara

    This is horrifying. Mama Mia, pls tell us what we can do to voice our protest.

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    • Anonymous

      @ara.. Maybe you could help contribute financially to their accommodation.

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      • Lia

        I do. It’s called tax. More than happy to do so.

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  24. Anonymous

    if these children are suffering in our clean detention centres with medical care, food, education, minimal violence and their parents, can you imagine the torture of those who are in genuine refuge camps with the unsanitary conditions, human trafficking, disease, lack of food, medical care, education and hope?

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    • Lizi

      Yes I can, and it’s awful beyond belief, but that doesn’t make it any more acceptable to keep children shut up in this manner – comfortable prison or not, it’s still confinement.

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  25. Charlie's Maman

    I still don’t understand why any asylum seeker, child or adult, has to be “detained”. Australia’s population is small enough to keep track of asylum seekers if they are allowed to live in our communities. If that were the case, they would at least have an opportunity to contribute to the country while their case is being reviewed which I am sure would be a lot more beneficial for the economy (rather than tax dollars being spent on detention centres where asylum seekers cannot do anything). But besides this point, no asylum seeker should be kept in detention, they have done nothing wrong and it is inhuman to treat them in this way. A lot of Australians are ashamed of this ongoing situation and I am one of them.

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    • redqueen

      So we should just throw our borders open, no passports or proof of identity required!

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  26. Luc

    It is an absolute disgrace to our nation that children are kept in detention. All children should be allowed out into the community, ideally into the care of relatives where possible.

    Other nations, for example Britain, do not detain children.

    These are already the most vulnerable kids, they have been through unthinkable experiences in their home lands, and in getting here. Why we should compound this by further detention is absolutely beyond me.

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  27. Laura

    I am confused. They come to our country to escape the terrible circumstances back home. But living here getting food and shelter and they want to hurt themselves.??? I would have thought where they escaped from was terrible conditions but now I am thinking maybe not so bad at home if they are so disgusted by the conditions in our country. Things that make you go Hmmm.

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    • Andrea

      Perhaps it is not the surroundings and conditions that these children are struggling with. You don’t know their stories (as I don’t). But self harm can a result of sexual abuse.

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    • vivacious

      Spend some time in indefinite detention, with little to no stimulation, surrounded by traumatised people. Then consider if food and shelter makes everything ok.

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      • Charlie's Maman

        I agree… looking at this from a so called logical standpoint is useless. They may have food, water and accomodation but they do not have freedom and as Vivacious mentions, they are surrounded by sadness and trauma. They cannot move on with their lives being detained and all they have are memories of persecution and loved ones they have lost in the process of coming to Australia.

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    • Aimee

      Detention centres are modelled on our prison systems. There is a reason why the inside of these places is never shown.

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      • Wendy

        Aimee, if that’s the case then let me in there. I’ve seen the inside of prisons (not as a crim!) and they live pretty damn good. They have special diets preapred for them, activities planned, get a weekly “pay”, and pay TV. If given the choice between being on a pension and being in the clink, I’d take the clink thanks. As for the asylum seekers, I have no doubt that alot of them are severely in need of help, but the conditions that led them to flee their country had to have been worse than where they are now right?

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        • Anonymous

          There is a big difference of seeing the inside of a jail, and being an inmate. If you would take going to jail as an option, then you really have no idea. And yes, I know what I’m talking about.

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        • Lulu

          “If given the choice between being on a pension and being in the clink, I’d take the clink thanks”

          Well, of course. That’s why all the battling pensioners are doing armed robberies of 7-11s, so they can get a quick ticket to all those cushy prisons.

          Not.

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  28. Lauren

    The saddest part is that most – almost all – comments on our local news stories about this (on the news website and facebook) still perpetuate extremely negative views towards asylum seekers. Things like ‘their parents must have put them up to it’ on the basis that a 9 year old couldn’t possibly know how to self harm, and that the money on mental health care for these young people is a waste. It’s an absolute shame. Children don’t belong in detention and these are just as worthy of compassion.

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  29. Lou

    Meanwhile, the Australian public would rather discuss Gillard’s new glasses and Abbott’s Speedos…

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    • littleblackdress

      Are we not the Australian public? Are we not discussing this issue now?

      Your comment is both irrelevant and untrue.

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      • Lou

        One swallow does not a swallow make…

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        • littleblackdress

          Another incorrect comment.

          The saying is one swallow does not a summer make.

          Keep trying though.

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  30. Carly

    Australia continues to have one of the strictest immigration detention regimes in the world – it is mandatory, it is not time limited, and people are not able to challenge the need for their detention in a court.
    This breaches of Australia’s human rights obligations, including the obligation not to subject anyone to arbitrary detention.
    Australia’s mandatory detention system fails to provide a robust and transparent individual assessment mechanism to determine whether the immigration detention of each person is necessary, reasonable or proportionate. The need to detain a person should be assessed on a case-by-case basis taking into consideration their individual circumstances. A person should only be held in an immigration detention facility if they are individually assessed as posing an unacceptable risk to the Australian community and that risk cannot be met in a less restrictive way. Otherwise, they should be permitted to reside in community-based alternatives while their immigration status is resolved – if necessary, with appropriate conditions imposed to mitigate any identified risks.

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    • Anonymous

      Blah blah, we do not want to be innundated with economic illegal refuges. Not sure what planet you live on but there are not enough jobs for Australian;s atm.

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