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Mia Freedman. George Pell.

By MIA FREEDMAN

Is there any crime more heinous than child abuse? If there is, I don’t want to know about it.

Legally, every Australian who suspects or knows about a case of child abuse is required by law to report it to the police.

It’s mandatory.

Unless you’re a Catholic priest and someone tells you about child abuse in the confessional, in which case you’re totally free to do nothing.

No need to mention it.

Even if the abuse is still occurring.

Even if a child – or children – are in danger of further abuse.

Even if a child’s life has been destroyed and nobody is able to help them because they are too frightened, ashamed and traumatised by the abuse to say anything.

Priests are not bound by the same laws as the rest of society – including doctors, teachers and counsellors. So the church is effectively a safehouse for pedophiles who can ‘confess’ to their crimes and receive absolution without consequence.

They are then free to re-offend. Their secrets – their CRIMES – will always be kept away from authorities. They will be protected.

Surely, this is madness.

And never has this madness been highlighted so clearly as this week, when it became clear that child abuse in the Catholic Church has been so systemic over such a long period of time and has been so well covered up by so many individuals, that the Government has been forced to announce a Royal Commission into child sex abuse.

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Prime Minister Julia Gillard making the Royal Commission announcement

While Julia Gillard has been politically careful to point out that the parameters of the Royal Commission are more far-reaching than just the Catholic Church (it will also look into child abuse in all institutions including schools, community groups, foster homes etc), make no mistake: this is about the Church and the literal get-out-of-jail free card they wield when it comes to protecting paedophiles.

Watching Cardinal George Pell’s press conference yesterday – the same day yet another Catholic brother was arrested in NSW for child sex offenses – was an exercise in trying not to yell at the TV.

I was struck by the sight and sound of an old, arrogant man, woefully out of touch with public attitudes towards child abuse, a man who was desperately trying to justify the ongoing and systemic crimes that have been allowed to flourish within the Church he runs.

A man seemingly without compassionate for the victims of sex abuse by people who held sacred positions of trust.

As broadcaster Derryn Hinch wrote on his blog:

This is the head of the Catholic Church in Australia who several days ago couldn’t see the point of a  federal  Royal Commission. At a press conference today Cardinal Pell said he still would not favour an investigation into the Catholic  Church alone. But welcomed a broad-based one on the basis it seems that it would show ‘we weren’t the only ones  doing it’.

He actually said today that a Royal Commission would clear things up because  ‘we object to being called the only cab on the rank’. He said it.

I felt like shouting at the TV set:  You’re not. But most of the cabs for the past forty years have been Catholic ones, and the majority of  drivers are yours and  they can’t be trusted with innocent  children’.

He even had the gall to try to make us somehow responsible  for the suffering of victims. Pell said one question had to be asked: ‘ Are victims helped by the continuing furore in the Press? Should old wounds be re-opened?

That part was truly staggering.

To suggest that victims of sex abuse by Catholic clergy would be better served by it remaining covered-up?

To suggest the media should never have aired the disturbing accusations of whistle blowers such as Senior Detective Inspector Peter Fox who stated, “I can testify from my own experience that the church covers up, silences victims, hinders police investigations, alerts offenders, destroys evidence and moves priests to protect the good name of the church.” ?

That is simply repugnant and self-serving in the extreme.

This from News Limited:

Addressing the media in Sydney in relation to the royal commission into child sex abuse, Cardinal Pell explained church protocol for priests who confess to child sex abuse to another priest.

“If that is done outside the confessional (it can be passed on),” he said.

“(But) the Seal of Confession is inviolable.”

Is it any wonder that pedophilia has been allowed to fester, seemingly unchecked, for so many decades? The idea that victims of abuse would be better served by silence and that bringing perpetrators to justice would ‘open old wounds’ for victims is appalling.

Surely it’s time that we take away from priests the outrageous exemption from mandatory reporting of child abuse. Surely the rights of vulnerable children must transcend those of criminal adults who prey on children and have an expectation they’ll be protected by the law.

Enough. It’s time that the law was changed.

In an article for The Herald Sun yesterday, writer Susie O’Brien wrote exactly that:

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We need an urgent change to state laws.

We need an urgent change to state laws to ensure mandatory reporting includes priests and other religious figures. At present, it’s confined just to doctors, nurses, teachers and police.

But mandatory reporting by priests is absolutely meaningless unless claims made in the confessional are included.

You would think the Catholic Church wouldn’t want to absolve paedophiles, but to hand them over to authorities. And yet the church wants to allow confessions by child abusers, or confessions by those involved in the cover-up of child abuse, then take no further action than a few Hail Marys.

It is outrageous.

The church maintains that paedophiles wouldn’t confess if they knew a priest would tell the police. But so what? The entire purpose of the confessional is to absolve and pardon someone for their sins: to offer, as one priest put it, “divine forgiveness and healing”.

Enough with the coverups. Enough with the self-serving justification. And enough with Catholic priests being immune from this most basic of child protections: mandatory reporting of child sexual abuse.

Note: In the past 24 hours several politicians have also expressed their concern for the rule that allows members of the church to be exempt from the mandatory reporting of child sexual abuse.

Bill Shorton said: “What immunity can you claim when it comes to the safety and protection of little children? When it comes to the abuse of children, that privilege, if it ever had validity, is well and truly exhausted.”

Christopher Pyne also said priests had a responsibility to report the crimes that are revealed to them in confession. “If a priest hears in a confessional a crime, especially a crime against a minor, the priest has the responsibility in my view to report that to the appropriate authorities,” he said.

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279 Comments so far

  1. needshelp

    First I will out myself and say that I was raised catholic but am athiest now. I must say, however, that is kind of illogical to expect a priest to report a confession. Priest believe in God and eternal damnation. If you believe that, then nothing that the courts or man can dish out would be anything as bad as what is coming to an abuser post death. If an abuser does not go to the police they are surely not “truely sorry” so they cannot be absolved – and will therefore face an eternity of damnation. So from a priests perspective there is probably no reason to go to the police. Of course, this is the logic problem you face if you believe in God. It is a bit like praying for something and hoping it will happen, despite being fully aware that God didn’t lift a finger to save the victims of the tsunami? I mean, how can you be so arrogant as to expect that if he didn’t save little babies in the tsunami, why would he respond to whatever it is you want?

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  2. ash

    Pell seems like a bit of a twit.

    I feel sorry for Gillard and the Government. Coming down strongly against the Church is probably what they want to do in relation to the Royal Commission, but they must know it would cause an absolute riot if they did.

    I wonder if the Royal Commission would be passed if the Liberals were in power? What’s Abbott’s stance on child abuse in the Catholic Church, the God-faring man that he is?

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    • Merri

      Tony Abbott gave his support BEFORE Gillard did.

      And it’s ‘God-fearing’ not ‘god-faring.’

      Also, Julian Burnside was lucky to get away without having a defamation suit slapped on him. You may not be so lucky. I’d be very careful if I were you. Insinuation of paedophilia or the support of paedophilia is a very serious accusation.

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      • Petalica

        Um Merri it was Gillard who instigated the royal commission, and as far as being god fearing abbott must surely be dreading those pearly gates

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        • Anonymous

          No it wasn’t.

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          • Bee

            Abbott spoke to to the media first, he did not instigate it. I am sure he wishes he did though

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        • Anonymous

          Why would Abbott be fearing the early gates, Petalica?

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      • Bee

        Talking to the media about first it is not instigating it!

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  3. Youth worker

    Just want to clarify something you said in your article: I was under the impression that anyone CAN report suspected child abuse, but only certain professions MUST report suspected child abuse. It varies slightly from state to state, but these occupations generally include doctors, teachers, and anyone who is paid specifically to work with children.

    I believe that anyone in a church who is paid to work with children (at least in NSW), is required to report, EXCEPT for the aforementioned confessional exceptions (which personally I think are a load of rubbish). Within my own church (Sydney Anglican), my minister and paid youth minister act as mandatory reporters, while all of us volunteer workers have been trained on how to recognise child abuse and how to report it, and are legally speaking voluntary reporters.

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  4. mamamegan

    I am a baptised catholic, as are my children. We are non-practising. Does anyone know if there is a way that I an un-do the baptisms?

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    • Nicki

      Can you ask to be excommunicated?

      Perhaps you can tell them you’re Wiccan.

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      • arokh

        Nah the Catholic Church dogma is still stuck in the Dark Ages they might burn anyone who admits to being Wiccan, or any other form of Pagan, at the stake.

        My mother was sexually abused as a child by her father and a family friend. The hiding of this has created a serious mental health issue for here, despite the abuse stopping over 40 years ago. The wounds never close, even decades later. I used to admire my grandfather, now I despise him (he passed in 1985).

        I think Pell, Jensen and a few others should visit victims of sexual abuse (not only church related) and tell me those wounds have closed. I work in child protection (non-sexual abuse) and can tell you that any form of abuse against a child can, and does, last their entire life even after the abusive actions have long ceased.

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        • Nicki

          As an abuse survivor myself, my heart goes out your mother and the rest of your family who have to deal with the fallout, arokh – the abuse affected your mother primarily, but obviously not *singularly*

          They wouldn’t get away with burning anyone at the stake these days – but I’ll bet a few of them wish they could, to make the RC go away…….

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    • Alana

      I found an Irish website called Count Me Out. I wrote a letter to my parish to say I was defecting. They said it was noted and sorry I was leaving. Then 6 months later they wrote to say we can’t find any record of you in the first place. Pathetic! So I may still be on the books as one of the world’s 1 billion Catholics (and I dispute that figure). Only way to show your lack of faith would be to mark No Religion on the census which I did as did a growing majority of Australians.

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    • CK

      Just pretend they never happened. Isn’t that the norm with the Catholic church in Australia? ;-)

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      • Nicki

        For some people, this type of joke will always be too soon. For others, this joke will be a coping mechanism.

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        • CK

          I agree, and I debated posting for that reason. I’m Catholic, and my son attends a Catholic school; I think the latter applies to me, to some degree.

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    • Anonymous

      Do some research on “proclamation of personal sovereignty”.Baptismal and confirmation vows were not made BY us but on our behalf and without our permission before we had a voice or a choice of our own. Indoctrination before we are adult enough to realize the implications to what was going on. I’m not trying to offend anyone in any sense but if you want out of the baptismal “ritual’ mamamegan then it is possible.It is your right to assert and proclaim your sovereignty.

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  5. Stacey

    Im glad that I’m not the only one that yells at the TV.
    I believe that priest should have to report any crimes to police if/when someone confesses.
    Thats all.

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  6. wemmyh

    I am so completely underwhelmed by the response of the Roman Catholic Church to this unbelievably despicable behaviour. I was a victim of abuse from within the family; I had no recourse, nobody to talk to about it – it had happened to ALL of the famale children & grandchildren in the family. Nothing was ever done about this and I’ve just had to live with it. Yes, you DO learn to get through and then over this debasement. It makes the idea of sex quite abhorrent. Again, it’s something you get past. However, if there had been any way I could have brought my grandfather to everyone’s notice, I would have. Obviously I don’t get any money from my revelations. I’ sorry if that’s the reason people are coming out of the woodwork – money CANNOT repair the damage done. It doesn’t salve any consciences or make horrible things any less horrible. Enough said on that side of it. For the Cardinal to refuse to name priests who have admitted to this heinous behaviour, and for these disgusting relics of humanity to not have the guts to admit resonsibility for their own filthy behaviour is just deplorable. You sad, sick, putrid specimens. Is this the reason you chose the priesthood in the first place? Did you honestly have a genuine calling, or was it just a pathway to fulfilling your degrading, degenerate desires? The trouble with you lot is that to fulfill your filthy desires, you actually have to hurt a child. You willingly choose to do this. You willingly choose to ruin the rest of this child’s life for your own gratification. Where is your godliness in this act? You do not deserve the curtain of anonymity the church has offered. You deserve the very worst the world can throw at you. You stinking filthy curs have completely ruined peoples lives, stopping them from being able to grow as healthy human adults – all for a simply messy minutes pleasure. GO TO HELL YOU FILTHY PIGS!!!

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    • arokh

      As someone who works in child-protection, and has a mother who was abused by her family (and suffers serious mental health issues even 40 years later), I 100% agree with your sentiments. Thank you for opening up on this subject.

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      • wemmyh

        Arokh, thank you for that. Yes, mine’s a long time ago too, probably closer to 45 years, but it never leaves you. It’s in the back of your mind ready to make a leap whenever these things appear in the public realm.

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    • Ali Flint

      Love that SHOUT at the end there!

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  7. Laura

    Clearly even those who are ‘ambassadors of Christ’ do not carry his message within their hearts.
    I hope we come to raise our empathy on a global level soon, so that we may feel the pain or the joy we inflict on another. It would certainly stop us in our tracks before we spoke or acted, wouldn’t it?
    ‘Love your neighbour as yourself.’…we’d all be better off if we started to implement this.

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  8. Cath

    Everything about this religion makes me mad. Talk about control and abuse of power!

    I can’t wait for religion to be a thing of the past.

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    • Laura

      Yes, they all seem to have taken items that were meant to unify us and encourage us to care for each other, and instead, created systems to divide us. I hope for the day we can rise above all these petty differences and create a society where noone is forgotten or uncared for. If only we could put as much energy into unifying above our differences as we do into separation and hate, then we’d be in a much better world.

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  9. Anonymous

    My Irish Catholic/Labor DNA is screaming at this betrayal.

    Everywhere I look there is corruption and cover ups.

    From the top, down, we are being smothered in filth.

    http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/

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  10. Veritas

    AN EXPLANATION OF CONFESSION:

    To those who are Non-Believers, or do not understand church teaching. Please note this teaching only applies to Baptized Catholics.

    Also please NOTE: – this post is NOT attempting to deny the evil committed, nor the damage, harm & suffering inflicted on the innocent victims. Nor is it an attempt to justify the actions of those within the church, both the perpetrators, & the heirachy for ignoring it, covering it up, or mishandling it !!

    This is merely an explanation of the Church’s teaching in these matters, regarding confession:

    No priest can violate the seal of the Confessional for any reason whatsoever. In the scenario given, the penitent (eg. abusing priest) would have to be sincerely sorry for his abusive activities, and sincerely promising to never be involved in them again.

    Otherwise: A) he wouldn’t be in the Confessional to begin with, and
    B) he – wouldn’t be able to receive absolution for the sins he committed – under church law, & especially, spiritually speaking in the eyes of God, – the Final JUDGE of all of us !

    Going to Confession is NOT a “Get Out Of Jail Free” card which allows you to go out and keep right on sinning in the exact same areas.

    You have to consciously want to repent and change your life, or your Confession is NULL, VOID and USELESS !!

    Further, in such a case as this, whether it be e.g… Abuse, Rape or Murder, which violates Secular Laws, the priest, (under church law) while unable to do anything himself, would STRONGLY urge the penitent (abusing priest) to TURN HIMSELF IN, & NOTIFY the relevant authorities, & also clearly state to the penitent, that such action would be necessary to make reparation for the Offences & Damages done to the victims !

    Basically, as far as church teaching & tradition goes….. if you don’t PAY for it in this Life, – You’ll certainly PAY for it in the next !! ie. In the eyes of God, we get away with NOTHING !! – everything is held to Account ! All our thoughts, words & deeds !!

    As per Church Doctrines, In order to wipe out mortal sin—(which is the really bad type that will send you to hell if you die in that state)—you have to achieve what is called “perfect contrition”.

    This means a conviction of your misdeeds, a true sorrow for having offended God, Who is HOLINESS personified, and a steady determination to NEVER commit that sin again.

    You can achieve perfect contrition on your own, and God will forgive you. However, it is impossible for a human being to know whether they have reached perfect contrition or not, and so the only way to be sure the sin is wiped out is to go to Confession.

    Just because someone gets Absolution, – does not mean that the damages done, due to sin, get wiped away also ! For TRUE Justice demands, that they MUST be Paid For. This is what is known as Reparations. As stated before, we all pay for it one way or another !!

    The Sacrament of Confession will wipe out the sin, with or without perfect contrition; in most cases what you have will be “imperfect contrition”, which is fear of hell, or disgust at yourself, or something else less than absolute pure perefct contrition.

    I realize that to a Protestant who believes in a one-time, all-encompassing blanket forgiveness based on Christ’s atoning death on the Cross, this all sounds like so much Catholic mumbo-jumbo, but remember, just because you’re forgiven doesn’t mean you stop sinning.

    We all have “works”; the good ones are called “good works”, the bad ones are called “sins”.

    Going to a priest does not give you “more” forgiveness than not going. What it does do is offer you complete confidence that your sins have been forgiven, and peace of mind, along with good advice from the priest as well. And all of this is free!

    Go to a psychologist and you’ll pay him $100.00 or more per hour for peace of mind, and you still won’t have your sins forgiven.

    One way I try to explain “Confession” to someone who admits to having a problem with a “mere man” forgiving his sins is this:

    (1) You are not confessing to a “mere man,” but to someone who is standing in for God. He was given this authority by Jesus, and it’s not the MAN who is listening and forgiving. For want of a better term, it’s the “uniform”….the man inside merely animates the uniform.

    (2) People have a NEED to blab about their wrongdoings. And typically, the ones they want to blab to are the very ones they have wronged. Untold DAMAGE is done if for example, a spouse cheats, feels guilty, and then spills his or her guts to the other spouse.

    People also like to hang onto guilt for years, and let it eat at them. They mentally beat themselves up over things, and their entire emotional condition taints everything around them.

    I don’t have to give examples, you can probably think of a half-dozen or so friends or relatives who are doing that very same thing today.

    When they finally get tired of the mental self-flagellation, they’ll seek psychiatric help, perhaps.

    Or they’ll keep gulping antacids and blood pressure pills and spend time and money ruining their livers by sitting on a barstool and crying in their beer, while spilling their guts to the bartender.

    When you look at it that way, Confession makes real Spiritual, Emotional & psychological sense…

    LINKS EXPLAINING CONFESSION:
    http://www.domestic-church.com/CONTENT.DCC/19980301/SCRMNTL/CONFESS.HTM

    http://www.ourcatholicfaith.org/teaching-confession.html

    PROTECTING THE SEAL OF CONFESSION & WHY:
    http://www.zenit.org/rssenglish-35278

    THE ABUSE CRISIS IN THE CHURCH – A Different Perspective:
    http://socrates58.blogspot.com.au/2010/03/wisconsin-irish-german-and-other.html

    http://socrates58.blogspot.com.au/2006/11/inquisition-crusades-catholic-scandals.html

    IT AIN’T JUST THE CATHOLIC CHURCH:
    http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2007/11/it-aint-just-catholic-priests-more.html

    http://suite101.com/article/church-sex-abuse-scandals-are-not-just-a-catholic-crisis-a232196

    http://www.reformation.com

    IT INVOLVES NOT ONLY RELIGIOUS GROUPS BUT ALL SOCIETY:
    http://www.care2.com/causes/child-abuse-not-just-a-catholic-church-problem.html

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0405/p01s01-ussc.html

    http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2010/08/09/now-we-have-real-evidence-%e2%80%93-sexual-abuse-is-not-a-%e2%80%98catholic-problem%e2%80%99/

    ABUSE IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS IS MORE THAN 100 TIMES
    THE ABUSE BY CLERGY:
    http://wizbangblog.com/2011/07/08/sexual-abuse-of-students-in-schools-is-likely-more-than-100-times-the-abuse-by-priests/

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    • Anonymous

      Thank you.

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    • anonymous

      Veritas everything you said confirms everything we are saying. Your church operates under doctrine from the dark ages, you have been brainwashed by it and this prevents you from seeing the truth about the power-seeking men who run your church. I doubt Jesus would have said ” You pedophile- protectors and child abusers can be my representatives on earth.”

      Please start thinking for yourself and stand up in protest, next time you are in your beloved church.

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      • Anonymous

        anonymous did you even read the links? it’s not about brainwashing at all. i’m not sure if you know what brainwashing means, but tarring all catholic priests as paedophiles (I doubt Jesus would have said ” You pedophile- protectors and child abusers can be my representatives on earth.”) sounds a lot like an unquestioning, blind-going-with-the-masses type of argument to me. Thinking for yourself, as you tell the OP to do, involves being aware of all the facts, and according to Broken Rites, only 100 of the 273,000 *reports* (not charges or convictions) of sexual abuse in 2010-2011 were attributable to the Catholic church. This inquiry isn’t focusing solely on the Catholic church, and nor should the armchair commentators…

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        • anon

          Veritas
          Anyone who believes a MAN (priest) can forgive you of any sin is fooling themselves, those MEN (priests) can continue to cover up the hideous acts against children all they want and pretend that they are protected under the seal of confessional to make themselves feel OK but they are WRONG WRONG WRONG, and if Jesus was alive today he would be mortified.

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      • Jenny Story

        I think it sucks that paedophiles can be granted absolution without perfect contrition and absolute horror when considering the effects of their actions! This is not to dispute the therapeutic value of confession.

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    • Seriously?

      I find this post very ranty and full on – there’s really no need to write such a shouty essay is there?

      “Further, in such a case as this, whether it be e.g… Abuse, Rape or Murder, which violates Secular Laws, the priest, (under church law) while unable to do anything himself, would STRONGLY urge the penitent (abusing priest) to TURN HIMSELF IN, & NOTIFY the relevant authorities, & also clearly state to the penitent, that such action would be necessary to make reparation for the Offences & Damages done to the victims !”

      You have got to be kidding with this one, you think encouraging someone to turn themselves in is sufficient? If that was going to happen, they would have the ethics and morals to a) have never conducted the ABUSE in the first place and b) wouldn’t have gone to confession, would have gone directly to police. It’s not going to happen.

      “Basically, as far as church teaching & tradition goes….. if you don’t PAY for it in this Life, – You’ll certainly PAY for it in the next !! ie. In the eyes of God, we get away with NOTHING !! – everything is held to Account ! All our thoughts, words & deeds !!”

      That’s all well and good if you actually believe in the afterlife, to those of us who think, quite frankly, it’s made up nonsense then this means nothing – NOTHING.

      Are we really supposed to think don’t worry person who’s suffered horrific abuse, the abuser will be encouraged to go to the police themselves and if not, they’ll cop it in the afterlife?

      How about THIS life, THESE laws, THIS morality!?

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      • whtevr

        even if they will do get punished for their crime in this world, no punishment will bring back the innocent their innocence back, so it is not a bad idea to believe justice will serve better in after life. might ease the anger by the hope of better and much fair justice somewhere someday..

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    • Lulu

      “as far as church teaching & tradition goes….. if you don’t PAY for it in this Life, – You’ll certainly PAY for it in the next”

      This is not a satisfactory solution.

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      • Kris2040

        What about the people who suffer in this life? Surely they are the priority? Completely unsatisfactory.

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    • Anonymous

      Thank you Veritas. It is so easy for people to jump on the bandwagon of Catholic bashing. Far more interesting to hear what the actual purpose of confession is.
      I’ve always maintained this is a side issue. Paedophiles will be (eventually, after the Royal Commission) convicted on the testimonies of victims and witnesses. The confessional element is largely irrelevant but an excellent excuse for people who know nothing about the Catholics to heap it on the church (as if abuse was in any way restricted to this institution).

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      • Anonymous

        Is that you Cardinal Pell?

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        • Anonymous

          Why is this such a standard reply on this site? Sooo aggravating.

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        • Anonymous

          Nope. Just someone who had to sit through a cr*p-load of criminal trials in a past job and has some idea of the types of evidence that are admissible in court. Sorry, but assuming the (probably by now) sketchy, undated recollections of a priest where likely no victim was ever even named won’t cut it. Assuming such evidence would reach the court room. Which it won’t.

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          • Anonymous

            So you’re saying you don’t like cover ups then?

            Funny that.

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      • Catherine

        My understanding of Royal Commissions is that the standard for evidence is lower than in a court. Hearsay evidence is admissible for e.g. Apparently evidence being given to Royal Commissions may not be admissible in court. So just cause something gets exposed in a Royal Commission does not necessarily mean convictions will follow.

        If a Royal Commission means institutions smarten up their policy and procedures, and are more transparent etc that will be great

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    • wemmyh

      You sanctimonious so and so. If you don’t mean to say anything about the act these stinkers have perpetrated, then you should be agreeing that their ‘confession’ is a load of bollocks. I am a baptised roman catholic and I cannot for the life of me see ANY reason why these sorts of actions are not immediately brought to the attention of the authorities. They are unconscionable and perverted. They are not part of God’s love. To go to ‘confession’ every week and confess to the same filth is not how ‘confesion’ is supposed to be used!! It is being ABused.

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    • Youth Worker

      Honestly, I don’t believe anything is ever solved by keeping it in the dark. If we really believe in forgiveness of sins once for all in Christ, that means that we should be willing to accept the punishment of secular authorities that we live under (1 Peter 2), not least because punishment now fades into nothing against the grace of God.

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    • Sean the Bookonaut

      Some interesting links, American but interesting nonetheless particularly with regard to education and the claim of Abuse in public schools being 100 times the abuse by clergy. Unfortunately the original article requires a payment of about $40 to read.

      I am an educator in South Australia and the teacher registration board provides to anyone who wishes to view it(it’s online) information on ethical breaches (which includes inappropriate relationships with minors) I am also legally compelled to report not just instances of abuse but instances where I might think that abuse may be occurring.

      At the time I did my mandatory reporting training religious persons in contact with minors were not required to do the same training, but that may have changed.

      I think the sad fact is that child abuse exists throughout society at all levels and will continue to do so. What we can do is educate the general public and ensure that institutions follow guidelines and that we are able to prosecute offenders.

      The catholic church is particularly obtuse when it comes to the issue though believing that it should operate outside the law.

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  11. Anonymous

    This is truly horrible! And clearly very old world beliefs. I am a Christian (Pentecostal- verrrry different from catholic) but I went to a catholic high school. I can swear on my life that this never accured at our school. It was an all girl school, and we were all too outspoken that if it did the whole world would know about it. I guess what I am saying, reading comments below that “The Church” is a very large umbrella. I don’t like the fact that the whole catholic church is getting painted with the same brush. I welcome the royal commission and hope those committing such crimes go to jail. But let’s not forget that just because one person does horrible horrible things everyone else must be!

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  12. Elisabeth

    What’s happened to Open Post??? ‘Twas my fave!

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    • intern

      Hi Elisabeth,
      It’s been retired for the time being – we’re trying out some new things and bringing back ‘Group Therapy’ :)
      - Kahla (intern)

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  13. jess88

    this might have already been covered in the comments below but I would like to know, how could a high priest, in good concience, hear a confession of child abuse, tell the offender to say a few hail mary’s and send them on their merry way, knowing that they will probably be in a position to offend again? surely in the eyes of God that must be the wrong thing to do? how do they justifiy this!? and I cant understand how religion can be exempt from law? Law should override religous beliefs in every circumstance.

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  14. JK

    I don’t think the these vile evil priests really believe in their own religion, if they did believe, they wouldn’t do these evil deeds, their only there to hide behind the doors of the church, to confess to other evil vile priests and walk out of the confessional and repeat it over and over again.Because a few hail marys gives them permission to do so
    Maybe the Royal Commission should start with PELL !!

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    • Kathryn

      Don’t worry they will call Pell to give evidence but I have a feeling he may be suddenly summoned to Rome before that can occur….. sorry to be a cynic

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      • whtevr

        for the information actually they are getting sent to countries like samoa, read about one peadophile priest sent there and in contact with kids..

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  15. Siobhan

    I am Catholic. I am absolutely horrified at Cardinal Pell’s response. In fact, lately I have been horrified and just about everything that Cardinal Pell has said. His views on Q&A just showed how out of touch he was, and now this.
    If the Catholic Church is to survive in Australia for the next generations, this type of mindset cannot be allowed to continue. A major shakeup is required, from the top down.

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  16. MikeyMike

    If Catholic priests would rather go to jail for contempt of court than break confession, I say let them…

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  17. Leanne

    Mia, you have expressed my feelings 100%. I was disgusted to watch this last night & also resisted yelling at the tv.

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  18. Betty D

    The thing I find so offensive about Pell’s response is that a roal commision will “open old wounds”. By that rationale, he assumes these wounds have been “closed”. That the wounds has been healed. How dare he make such ignorant assumptions! How dare he assume that victims have received adequate councelling. How dare he stand proud and suggest that victims, the media & whistle blowers stand silent. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME!!!

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  19. Anonymous

    As a Catholic, and someone who derives a great deal of strength from the faith that has helped shape my world view, the last few days have presented a moral dilemma.

    As someone who is proud of my faith I am outraged and downright disgusted by the all too many allegations of abuse and exploitation that appears to have been either ignored or deliberately obscured by the institutional force of the Church. On the other hand, I can’t help feeling like rallying behind my faith, strengthened by the many great things that this organisation has and continues to achieve.

    I like Cardinal Pell, fear a ‘witch hunt’ but for very different reasons. I want my church to be cleaned out and those who have committed criminal acts brought to justice. I don’t seek to protect the institution of the church above everything else. I fear that without care, coverage and commentary will devalue the great and truly awesome deeds of so many hardworking but humble men and women who have given their life, not to an institution, but in service of the community through religious life.

    It has been my great fortune to have received my education from some amazing men and women who had chosen a religious life as brothers, priests, and nuns. Their dedication to education, instilling great values, and an appreciation of rugby, has helped shape who I am today. So many of our great schools, hospitals, and community services owe their origins to the work of humble, hard working religious. It angers me to think that these achievements could be devalued in the mire of what are unquestionably evil deeds.

    The ball is now well and truly in the court of my church to stop placing the interests of the institution above victims of abuse. I have not lost my faith, nor my belief in a Catholic Church that can be a force for good. I know that my Church can change and deliver justice, compassion, and seek forgiveness because it is an organisation made up of people who share these values and practice what they preach every day.

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  20. Sarah

    As a former child care worker and the daughter of a social worker this is ridicules mandatory reporting should be mandatory for all. I wonder if the church sees a correlation between lowering numbers attending church and the paedophile business? I know numbers have been on the decline since WW2 (according to year 12 religious studies that is) but I know myself and several Catholic friends don’t go to church and don’t participate in church activities because of how of the sexual and the treatment and ‘handling’ of victims when they come forward. Cardinal Pell is disgusting. seriously disgusting. He sounded so hypocritical when he condemned St Johns, how can we expect colleges like St Johns to ‘behave’ when the church refuses to address these issues?

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  21. Bel

    To all the victims and survivors of these hideous crimes, please know that you are supported by many in the general community. I wish you well.

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  22. Anonymous

    Constitutional law will eventually (in the Royal Commission) prevail against the law of the confessional. No organisation, including local governments, are not at liberty to overrule Constitutional, Federal or State law. That is, even your local council cannot make up its own laws. What the individual priests choose to do about this will be on their own heads and they will justifiably cop the consequences.

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  23. Bel

    For true repentance, pedophile priests should confess to the police not another priest! Oh but wait that would mean facing consequences….

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  24. Semi-practicing catholic

    The Pope should decree that absolution will be granted on the condition of voluntary confession to the local police. You don’t confess to the police = you burn in hell. Problem solved.

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  25. CA

    Mia – I think this may be one of the best things you’ve ever written – powerful, strong and with conviction and I 100% agree with your stance.

    I was horrified at Pell’s attitude, a patronising ‘let’s all calm down a bit shall we’ without once admitting to the horrific situation that needs changing desperately.

    Can you imagine how victims would have felt watching this?

    It makes me think of a family friend I had growing up who was abused by a priest, my grandparent’s priest, our family friend. We always thought this priest was a wonderful man who took in this boy as his own and he lived with him for years. Little did we know the entire time he was abusing him in every way imaginable, and the boy could never speak out – the power was completely out of his hands.

    When it all came out many years later, the priest went to jail and the boy took the church to court and was awarded a large payout. There were terrible murmurings of the boy ‘doing it for the money’.

    The day after the payout, he took his own life.

    To have this running through my mind as I saw Pell’s arrogant out of touch attitude made me want to scream.

    Thank you for this piece Mia.

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    • Cath

      Thanks for sharing the story of your friend. I’m so sad reading about his suicide and I’m sorry for your loss. But I am grateful that you shared his story because I think the more people who truly understand the ramifications of child sexual abuse the better society will be.

      Imagine how many people have been drug addicts, how many people have taken their own lives all because they were molested as a child and were unable to live with the memories. Pedophiles don’t just molest one child, they molest dozens each! Some statistics show that they molest on average well over 100 children over the course of a lifetime. The knock-on effects are enormous and it’s the innocent and society who pays the price. Pedophiles are murderers, they cause people to take their own lives and we need to get them out of society forever.

      One strike, you’re out!

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      • CA

        You’re absolutely right and I know he had many, many more victims.

        I don’t know what became of those victims but I know, incredibly sadly, that the outcomes would range from deeply affected but coping to further suicides, drug dependency and even continuing the cycle of abuse themselves.

        The entire story, from decades ago until now, is a devastating state of affairs and to have Pell react in such a way was truly sickening.

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  26. vanessayoung

    I was so saddened by George Pell’s “only cab off the rank” comment. He had a real chance to acknowledge that there are serious problems within his organization and to welcome the chance to participate in finding ways to overcome what is obviously a huge problem within and outside of the Catholic church. His comment showed how out of touch church hierarchy is with what has really gone on and is still going on.
    I have heard people say “Jesus wept”. I reckon He was yesterday.

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  27. beee

    Yet ANOTHER reason I dont like religion.

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    • Anonymous

      I’m right there with you, it doesn’t have much going for it in this day and age.

      I really don’t understand how anyone has ‘faith’ in God/religion anymore.

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  28. Rebafe

    I find the catholic church’s response to this issue revolting. It physically makes my stomach churn.

    For many years now I have argued with my (non catholic, but catholic school graduate) husband that I will NEVER allow my children to be educated in the catholic school system.

    Not because I truely believe they are at greater risk of harm (these days) than anywhere else. But because I refuse to support such an organisation who has responded to the crimes of the past in such a disgusting manner.

    Frankly I don’t understand how any parent could support such an organisation (the churches themselves or the schools) by attending or allowing their children to attend. For those who wish to continue to follow their catholic faith – I urge you to celebrate it in your homes or amongst small groups not associated with this insididous organisation – the Catholic Church, at the very least until they rethink their current positions and responses (or better yet, do a clean sweep and get rid of this out of touch old men heading thier organisation).

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  29. Anonymous

    There is another sin more vile than child abuse. Where all others may be forgiven, this cannot. It is called ‘shirk.’ google it.

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    • distracted

      Well, that was a lot of nonsense. And I’m not going to hell for that comment either.

      How about putting your name to that viewpoint (real gutsy, Anonymous) and then telling a victim of rape or child sexual abuse, or one of their parents, that worshipping a god other than Allah is actually a worse sin.

      I know, I probably shouldn’t have fed the troll – but really, how insulting.

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    • Anonymous

      You should be ashamed of yourself.

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    • pennypacker

      Why would you say something like that. Shame on you. . People like you make my blood boil. Go and spread your extremist views on another site.

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    • whtevr

      how do you know ? child abuse is not greater than shirk ? just because you learnt that rule it does not mean anything else is forgiven indeed it will not be forgiven because of the rights of human beings on each other, like hurting someone, stealing, lying, taking advantage of from other human beings naivety. so learn your religion better before you embarrass yourself and your fellow believers, shame on you. religion did not sin, unashamed human beings sinned and covered their sins under name of the religion.

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  30. Bel

    I think you need to further Child Protection Training. Preferably training that is run by a government department. I will be removing my daughter from scripture today.

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    • Guest

      Bel, might be a good idea! Someone told me on twitter yesterday that volunteer scripture teachers do not have police checks done on them. How can that be?

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  31. Catherine

    Mandatory reporting of child abuse should be for EVERYONE- e.g. mums and dads, neighbours, extended family members, people from all walks of life.
    Now regardless of whether you think priests should be under an obligation to report child sexual abuse, Im just going to look at what purpose will be served by making it mandatory.

    (1) padeophiles are scum- they molest children because they enjoy it, how likely is it they are going to go and confess it, after all they enjoy preying on kids
    (2) hardly anyone ever goes to confession these days ( it is almost a dead practice)

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  32. Anonymous

    We do have a separation of church and state when it comes to politics. I am fine with that. I am not fine with any church (Scientology, Islam, Catholic, Protestant, Mormon, Seventh Day Adventist etc etc etc) being above the law. It’s time for some new legislation regarding any organisation, religious or otherwise, being accountable to the law.

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  33. Anonymous

    http://catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0628.html

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    • B

      Wow, compelling reading – credible website too! Scary stuff.

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    • Emili

      “The demands of God’ s law outweigh the demands of civil law. Civil law which contradicts God’ s law is unjust and not binding.”

      And there you have it, straight from the Catholics mouth. Catholic priests consider themselves above the law of any country.

      Also, how incredibly backwards is it that if a priest does take the info to the authorities, he is immediately excommunicated. Yet one of their own can consistantly rape a child or childfren for years and years and years, and it is seen as something to be covered up and they are protected.

      THIS MUST END.

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    • Nicki

      After reading that, they really do believe they are a law unto themselves, don’t they?

      Our politicians of the 2 main parties only pay lip service to separation of religion and state :(

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  34. Amanda

    We don’t accept the application of sharia law when it conflicts with Australian law, yet the Catholic church keeps silent about this most heinous crime, doles out Hail Marys and everything is fine?!?

    Cardinal Pell’s response to this was, and remains, appalling. The Catholic church are not the victims here. Get some perspective, Cardinal Pell – and that might be easier to do if you started listening to the victims, not the perpetrators.

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  35. Anonymous

    surely the frequency and scale of child abuse in Catholic church and in society generally reflects something really sick about our culture as a whole. these actions are a part of cultures that we are all complicit in. in particular the Catholic church is fundamentally leading to these actions with systematic sexual infantilisation and repression… firstly of the clergy but its followers more broadly. this culture is what should be addressed.

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  36. anonymous

    Reader…gee do ya think? Who even says ‘repentance’ in this day and age?? This isn’t the dark ages.

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    • Reader

      It’s not a term I use or hear regularly to be honest, but I was trying to capture the idea of religious apology as well as emotional remorse. Though I’m imagining — or rather hoping — that if one of these abusers ever DID recognise the harm they had done, remorse would be a huge part of it.

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  37. Anonymous

    before this turns into a Catholic bashing post, could I put a few elements of fact into the debate.
    1. If a priest suspects someone asking for confession of committing a crime, they are obliged not to take that confession.
    2. If someone confesses to a priest a crime, the penance a priest will give is not three Hail Marys but a directive to hand oneself into the authorities, confess the crime and do whatever punishment the courts decide.
    3. If the courts try to force priests to reveal what is said under the seal of confession, two things will happen: many priests will go to jail for contempt of court rather than reveal anything that was said to them- even if nothing was said to them. also, people who have committed crimes and genuinely want help to stop won’t go to someone that may help them.
    Having said all that, I am no fan of George Pell, and the Catholic church has failed it’s responsibilities to victims but please don’t damn the entire Church for the failings of some.

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    • Lulu

      Re: #2 – what happens if the person who confesses does not follow the directive? If there’s no follow-up, the directive is merely a verbal request which isn’t worth the paper it’s written on.

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    • Kris2040

      1. Ignorance is bliss?

      2. Expect someone who has done the wrong thing to magically turn around and do the right thing?

      3. They wouldn’t have to reveal everything, just stuff that is relevant to the crime. Wouldn’t that make them the same as any other witness who may be examined in court as part of evidence for either side in a case?

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      • Anonymous

        The ALP has a rather nasty habit of covering up paedophile activity, as does the entertainment industry.

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        • Davo

          So correct. There have been 3 convicted pedophiles in Australian politics. All three come from the ALP. Not much was reported in the media as well

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        • Kris2040

          I don’t doubt it. As I have mentioned in the other posts about the Royal Commission – what I have found extremely troubling is not the Catholic Church’s actions, but the obvious influence they wield within the government and the Police Force that they are able to have detectives like Peter Fox removed from cases and task forces investigating them. I hope the Royal Commission exposes the lot.

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        • Faybian

          Why oh why is this post getting turned into another ALP bashing session? There are Catholics on all sides of the political spectrum, as well as followers of other religions, with bad eggs on all sides. The leader of the ALP has called for a royal commission, can’t we leave it there?

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    • Bel

      Re: Point 1. Obliged not to take the confession = Bury head in the sand or don’t ask don’t tell! That is so many shades of wrong!

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      • Brendan

        Re: Point 1. Obliged not to take the confession. Reason being that they are obliged to REPORT what they know about the suspected activity, therefore they should refuse to hear the confession so the rules on the seal of the confessional dont come into play. This is NOT about dont ask/dont tell, its about trying to avoid being forced to choose between breaking seal of confession or concealing a crime.

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      • Al

        Confession’s not a free counselling session or general offloading of your secrets so you can say a quick prayer to be cleansed and go off to do bad things again as it’s often portrayed in movies or sit-coms. A priest is not required to absolve (provide forgiveness from God) a sin just because it was confessed to them (e.g. if they think the confessor’s not really repentant) and absolution is the point of going to confession. Additionally penance (repentant acts to make amends with God and the community) is an important part of the process, so by not handing themselves in to the authorities anyone with this penance is not fully righting themselves with god.

        So while it’s a concept that sounds weird to non Catholics (I’m a lapsed one and it seems a bit weird to me too) the concept of absolution is deeply important those who take it seriously (and you’d assume priests do – if they don’t then they’re probably not coughing up heinous acts in the confessional anyway).

        This isn’t meant to be a commentary or defence of the appropriateness of withholding knowledge of abuse that comes out in the confessional but more to go back to the original poster’s comments and say that the people who really believe in the power of confession and penance wouldn’t think of being denied confession as ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ or burying their heads in the sand as they believe that without absolution the sinner’s soul is damaged and for sins like this they’re definitely on the list for hell. Plus, not hearing a confession should in theory enable suspicions to be reported, I guess? And any teacher, doctor or nurse has to report suspicions of harm, not just hard evidence or admissions.

        I think George Pell and his peers not lobbying Rome to enable priests to participate in local legal systems for these horrible crimes is them putting THEIR heads in the sand.

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    • Amanda

      But doesn’t the systematic abuse, scale of abuse and the fact that offenders are abusing multiple children over DECADES indicate that “people who have committed crimes” either a) DON’T genuinely want help to stop (rather, they want absolution for what they have done to ease their conscience) or b) the “help” that the Catholic church is giving ISN’T WORKING. Sorry to get shouty, but we cannot ignore the breadth and depth of this problem. It just isn’t right.

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    • Bec

      First of all let me say that I am not at all religious and that I am often the person that you least want to get started about religion. But, if I’m being rational i must say I agree that the entire church can not be damned because of the actions of some.

      However let me say that I believe that the entire church is being damned because of the actions of some due to the fact that the church as a whole seems to willingly cover everything up.

      Not being a religious person maybe I cannot understand, but I believe that if the institution that i held most dearly in my life, or the institution that gave great meaning to my life was covering up or denying heinous actions that have obviously occurred I would not stand by and allow this to occur.

      When do the Catholics that go to church every week finally stand up and tell their priests, Cardinals etc that enough is enough? That they will not accept this from their church any more, that the time has come to clean house and admit all the wrongs that have been done and put practices in place that will stop them from occurring again in the future.

      Us ‘anti-religiouos’ people can sit on the sidelines forever bitching and moaning about the state of the Catholic church, but the powers that be aren’t going to listen to us. But they have to listen to those that attend their churches. The numbers are dropping, more and more young people are turning away from the church.

      It is time for Catholics to stand up and not turn a blind eye to this anymore. I for one don’t care if the church falls apart and becomes a joke, but I’m sure there are many people who do not feel this way.

      Well save your church by putting your foot down! Demand an end to this, break it down and then rebuild it! Everything has had to more forward into the future, even the Catholic church has to do the same.

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      • sipper

        Agree. Many Catholics believe the brainwashing they have gone through in childhood. As someone brought up in the Catholic faith my honest opinion is many belivers are not very bright and are desperate to follow a set of rules. Their conservative views are inherited from generation to generation. Many do not have the intellect nor confidence to make their own decisions.

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  38. anonymous

    The problem is not the confessional or cover-ups..the guts of it is the seeming belief by the leaders of the Catholic Church that they are beyond reproach. They seem to have this idea that they truly are gods on earth and have always used their money as a weapon. Like any rich, powerful corporate CEO or organisation, they don’t feel they HAVE to do anything because they can pay to get out of anything and therefore are accustomed to simply dismissing petty little annoyances like real people.

    How do we force them to change?? Like you Mia, I am so unbelievably appalled by this institution, in every way, that I would ask any Catholic with a conscience to either boycott their church in protest or at least refrain from putting money in the precious plate. If all Catholics stopped doing that, and the church was at risk of ‘going out of business’ then the Vatican might act because that would be hitting them where they would most feel the hurt. Only then would they realise that they should be in the business of people not power.

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  39. Caz Gibson

    I think that the only Catholic priest who’s views I’ll listen to is Father Bob – and we all know that his church has been trying to silence him for years. “Blessed are the trouble-makers”….lol.

    Cardinal Pell revealed his poor education and arrogance when he appeared on Q & A with Richard Dawkins…………he also appeared as a man unaccustomed to being challenged by anyone of merit and totally dismissive of modern thinking – I was amazed he was allowed to leave his comfy residence. Someone MUST be aware of how embarrassing he would be……..but maybe it was deliberate………SOMEONE at least, within it’s walls must be ready to force the Catholic church to come clean.
    So now that his attitude is exposed, what do members of his church do ?
    I hope that they embrace this Royal Commission to show that they REALLY care about victims of abuse.
    When my Catholic cousins used to show their damaged hands from the frequent, savage canings from the Marist Brothers my father would implore their father to let him “take them on” – I can only imagine what he’d have done if he’d known for sure that there was even worse abuse going on.

    I’ve always felt that most religions have been contrived by men for the convenience of men……i’s just so blatantly transparent.

    Spirituality is ( if it’s real) incredibly personal and has never needed another human being’s intervention let alone a religious institution.

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  40. Bre

    This is truly horrible! And clearly very old world beliefs. I am a Christian (pentacostal- verrrry different from catholic) but I went to a catholic high school. I can swear on my life that this never accured at our school. It was an all girl school, and we were all too outspoken that if it did the whole world would know about it. I guess what I am saying, reading comments below that “The Church” is a very large umberalla. I dont like the fact that the whole catholic church is getting painted with the same brush. I welcome the royal commision and hope those commiting such crimes go to jail. But lets not forget that just because one person does horrible horrible things everyone else must be!

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  41. kewmanor

    Mark Tuesday 13 November 2012 in your diaries as this is a historic day. This is the day the Catholic Church died in Australia.

    Pell has shown that his organisation does not care in the slightest about the countless people it has hurt and continues to hurt to this day. The Catholics have long been out of church with the modern world and this disgraceful speech by Pell yesterday just hammers in another big nail to the coffin.

    Sell off the assets, shut them down. The world will be a much better place without this awful mob in it.

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  42. Anon for this

    We ban terrorist groups. Why doesn’t the government declare the catholic church outlawed and make the religion illegal?

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    • ash

      I think because there’s too many of them really, and they are at all levels of Government … and it’s just got too much history behind it unfortunately.
      Though I do agree with you

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  43. Anonymous

    Further evidence that the Catholic church thinks they are above the laws of our country and are totally irrelevant to today’s society. Stop visiting Catholic churches and stop giving them your money to send a strong message that their stance on confession is unacceptable.

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    • marywardy

      Hey Anonymous,

      I just thought I’d throw in my two cents here, as someone who does go to Mass each Sunday.

      I can’t stop visiting my Catholic Church because I am a Catholic. It is my religion. And in this country we have freedom of religion. I can’t celebrate my religion from home, by myself, because I am a Catholic. The whole community/Eucharist/sacramental thing is more integral to our celebration of faith than it is in some other denominations.

      I, in theory, could stop giving money to the Catholic Church. But that would make the church I sit in each Sunday cold. And dirty. And it would mean that the 20% of kids in this country who attend systemic Catholic schools would have to go to schools that were cold. And dirty. And under-resourced. Or, it would mean that their parents would have to experience a massive fee hike. It would also mean that the hospitals and other social services that are run by the Catholic Church would seek to exist. Which would suck.

      I welcome the Royal Commission and I welcome religious debate, but I really don’t think that restricting people’s freedom of religion is a sensible mode for change.

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      • Emili

        “Australia is one of the few nations that make all investment earnings by religious bodies tax free, regardless of whether these are spent on charitable activities. And all the property they own is free of rates and land tax. If they sell these assets for a profit they pay no capital gains tax…The Catholic Church is the biggest non-government landowner in Australia, with many valuable investment properties…Every time you pay tax or rates you are subsidising other people’s religion. ”

        The Catholic Church in Australia has millions, if not billions of dollars. They have more than enough money to ensure that the church you sit in every Sunday and the schools your cjildren attend are not “cold” and “dirty”.

        Therefore, I’m calling your arguement out as being, in my opinion, completely invalid.

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        • sunshiny day

          “cold and dirty”, very apt discription.

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      • Angelos

        A cold and dirty church is not comparable to the defilement of very young and innocent children. The discomfort of cold and dirty churches and schools can be overcome, but the defilement of the innocent is permanent.

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        • marywardy

          Totally true, Angelos.

          I suppose the point I was trying to make is that stopping the money flow to the Catholic Church will only result in school closures/hospital closures/less funds going towards charities etc.

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          • Angelos

            Thanks for this acknowledgement. I’m sure you will see that there are many other independent Christian schools if that’s what people want. And there are abundant charitable funds amongst the other churches. It doesn’t depend on one church. For instance, I’m a Mormon and the extent of charity this church exhibits is little known or spoken about and we want it that way because charity isn’t something you boast about, you just do it because you must. We have several outrageously large farms here in Australia and elsewhere in the world whose produce is used exclusively for world aid, is processed and packaged exclusively by volunteers, and distributed when needed even by helicopter at a rental cost of $30K per day. This is just one example of the charity which exists in other churches, quite independent of the Catholic church. Once again, thanksfor your acknowledgement.

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          • anon

            I would prefer cold, dirty hospitals and schools than ANY CHILD suffering abuse and molestation, in fact I would prefer no money is given to institutions which systematically cover up such heinous crimes. And mark my words this has been going on so for long that they actually believe there own lies.

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          • Lulu

            marywardy, the thing is – I can’t think of anything else you could threaten the church hierarchy with. From my limited understanding (a half-arsed Catholic background), priests, bishops, etc are not elected by the parishes or congregations, so you can’t exactly pressure them that way.

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          • Sean the Bookonaut

            Because of the tax breaks religious organisations have in Australia we can’t be sure what effect it will have. If they operate the same way here as they do in Germany well (where the church raises its own taxes/tithes and thereby allows the government to see its books) …it was revealed that above 90% of the social services provided by the churches actually came from government funding ie the churches only carried out social services using 10% of there own income.

            That being said I get the distinct impression that the money flow in the church goes toward the Vatican rather than away, the costs falling on the foot soldiers of gods army so to speak.

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      • Anonymous

        However, some elements of your church ARE cold and filthy, actually.

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  44. arokh

    It’s about time something was done about institutionalised systemic sexual abuse of children. I’m usually against capital punishment, but this is one crime I’m all for it…or at the least chemical castration and no protective custody for this filthy scum. However, on a more moderate note, I’ll be happy to see these people punished to the full extent of the law without the protection of their various organisations, I’d even go as far to say that those of a religious base should be excommunicated. I can’t imagine their god or this Jesus bloke condoning such activities.

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  45. sipper

    As parents we were both brought up Catholics and went to Catholic schools. We choose to send our children to public schools. I am interested to get a response from parents who send their children to Catholic schools.

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    • kiks

      My children went to catholic primary and secondary schools. I’m not sure what you want people like me to say. I went to catholic schools and worked at one of the leading health providers in the state, the Mater Hospital, which is also catholic. Certainly from my perspective they were all wonderful caring institutions with no abuses but I am aware this in not everyone’s experience. I do know that the Mater has cared for thousands of Queenslanders for over 100 years and our health system would be lost without Sisters of Mercy.

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    • Nat

      I am a lapsed Catholic and my child attends a Catholic primary school. I have no concern that he is in any danger as the school is a wonderfully run by the most caring professional teachers.
      However, the only priest that my son comes across is the elderly parish priest who holds mass for them once a month, my son has no contact with him. Its sad that I have to write that, but I must admit whenever I see a priest the thought of “what if he is a pedophile?” will always cross my mind. We are not involved in church activities or attend mass and my son will NEVER be an altar boy.
      I chose the school because it is the best school in our inner city suburb aside from the $15k per year Anglican private school close by which he will attend for his secondary education.
      A little hpyoctical, I know but it’s a wonderful school.

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      • sipper

        Nat and Kiks . Do you not see that by supporting Catholic institutions you are a major part of the problem? The Church’s power lies in its control and ownership of schools and hospitals not in the few people who turn up to Mass. Nothing will change as long asCatholics continue to support its institutions. This is a moral question not one of convienience.

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        • Nicki

          Well said, sipper.

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        • kiks

          Are suggesting that I am advocating child abuse because I worked at the mater childrens hospital for many years? What a ridiculous thing to say that somehow everyone who works at a catholic hospital, charity or school is complicit in child abuse! Are you suggesting that somehow we abolish catholic schools,universities, colleges, hospitals, social welfare, aged care etc. and if this is the case, then do you have a solution as to what happens everyone who uses these institutions and those employed by them? and please don’t say something naive and simplistic like the government will take them over

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          • Sipper

            The govt can easily take them over. Almost 100% of their running costs are public taxpayers money. You seem to know very little about how education and health works like most catholics.

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            • sunshiny day

              hear, hear ! I don’t understand how these Catholics who say they’re aghast at the abuse, and in the same breath say, I send my kids to a catholic school, etc etc. You are supporting an institution that has for years committed vile acts against children and then covered it up.

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  46. thisbee_plath

    Don’t mean to be critical but there are other professions who are not mandated to report child abuse, such as psychologists in QLD (unless they work in residential care of for Department of Communities/Child Safety).

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  47. sipper

    As a person who was brought up Catholic as was my wife we chose to send our children to public schools. I am interested in the thoughts of parents who send their children to Catholic schools.

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  48. Bored of Burwood

    George Pell would do well to remember that he’s supposed to serve his parishioners. The man has such a cold, superior air about him.

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  49. Ali Flint

    Mia is 100% correct in saying that there is no more heinous crime than child abuse and if there is none of us want to know about it. Full stop. The problem is, though, that those people who commit the crime and/or harbour paedophiles do not regard it like this. It’s obvious from Pell’s interviews that he regards it as a merely a minor transgression. This is a truly sick attitude and I do believe Pell is generating intense hatred for himself and the Catholic church by consistently taking this attitude. A Royal Commission I hope will dispel this attitude forever.

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  50. Tea Bag

    The Catholic Church has proved itself incapable of handling child abuse internally and the matter should just be taken out of their hands by legislation.

    I don’t think much is served by trotting out the head of a highly conservative religion and expecting them to speak out against the canon which is their job to defend and part of their profoundly held belief system. It probably has worth in showing them how deeply they’re misaligned with the community, but this may not be enough to make them flout their ecclesiastical rules. Hello, abortion and contraception.

    I personally find Pell (and Jenkins, for that matter) to be arrogant almost every time they speak publically. Boy, do they rub me up the wrong way. However, I’m not so sure Pell was being arrogant in this instance. If it were decided that circumcision was systemic abuse; I don’t think that rabbis would be sounding too enlightened on the subject.

    Before anyone goes me with ‘How can you compare circumcision with child abuse?’ argument; I’m not putting the two the two things in the same room. I’m just making an observation about the positions in which dogma can place the deeply religious & clergy.

    I’m not sure what the strictures are inside the Church between priests on confessional revelations, but if priests are at least allowed to discuss a confession of paedophilia amongst their own ranks, then there are many actions that could have been taken that clearly weren’t. The first and most obvious is isolating the abuser from ANY contact with congregations. Cardinal Pell is very much in a position to shift priests/staff wherever he wants and could do so without revealing his reasons to anybody. If this is within his powers, then I think that he should be heading to confessional on this one himself.

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