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Yesterday, also known as ‘Carbon Sunday’, was the first day of the Gillard Government’s price on pollution. If you still don’t understand what the whole thing is really about, we’ve put together an excellent cheat sheet for you – you can read it here.

The pollies have reacted for and against the tax; some strongly in support, some very much against. Take a look at some of the things that were happening yesterday:

More from The Daily Telegraph:

Prime Minister Julia Gillard threw Tony Abbott’s claim that she broke an election promise back at him by predicting he would not make good on his vow to scrap it if he won the next election.

Ms Gillard said business investments being made now would make it too difficult for a future Coalition prime minister to unwind the tax, saying any change would be limited to “a fiddle or a fudge”.

“Businesses have got themselves ready for carbon pricing,” she told Insiders on ABC TV.

“New investments have been made. Against all of that backdrop, Mr Abbott will find himself in a position where he cannot go to the next election pretending anything else than carbon pricing is going to stay.”

Mr Abbott hit back, insisting that getting rid of the carbon tax would be his priority if he became prime minister.

“If you elect a Coalition government, there will be no carbon tax and I can be believed when I say there will be no carbon tax under a government I lead,” he said.

As for whether families are feeling the difference:

Australia’s peak industry group said more than 42 per cent of businesses put up prices from Sunday, when the tax came into effect.

“Most businesses have said to us they have to put their prices up simply because they can’t afford to absorb the costs,” Australian Industry Group chief executive Innes Willox said last night.

The survey also revealed the sectors most likely to pass costs on to customers, with communications services businesses (82 per cent) most likely to raise prices, while businesses in the finance and insurance services and the accommodation, cafes and restaurants industries (both 22 per cent) a far lesser chance.

Coles and Woolworths have pledged not to introduce overnight price rises with Treasurer Wayne Swan yesterday demonstrating he could buy the same basket of goods – including cheese, sausages, oranges and toilet paper – at the same price as he did on Friday.

The carbon tax will add an average $9.90 to household bills. The average compensation will be $10.10 and six million out of the nine million Australian households will be fully compensated.

Workers earning up to $80,000 a year were also given a tax cut yesterday with most getting at least $300.

“Six in 10 households are going to have very substantial assistance. There will be some that will have less. But the great bulk of people will be more than compensated for the impact of this price,” Mr Swan said.

The view from the other side is that carbon change is a hoax and that Australian democracy has died. This from the Sydney Morning Herald:

About 2000 people marched from Hyde Park to Belmore Park to hear Bronwyn Bishop speak against the government’s Clean Energy Bill, while a much smaller group in Melbourne heard the broadcaster Alan Jones refer to climate change science as ”propaganda”.

”The notion of global warming is a hoax,” Jones told a group of about 150 people on the steps of the Victorian Parliament. ”This is witchcraft. Commonsense will tell you it’s rubbish; 97 per cent of all carbon dioxide occurs naturally … 3 per cent around the world is created by human beings.”

In Sydney, Ms Bishop said the government was trying to use climate change to hold onto power. ”The government is trying to frighten the nation into accepting the need for it, but the Australian people are saying no, they don’t want it,” she said.

”Australia doesn’t have too many international advantages, but one place it does have an advantage is cheap electricity.”

What do you think of the carbon tax? Are you in favour of the Gillard Government’s scheme or would you have preferred a different course of action? Are you concerned about how your household will be effected by the tax? Do you think the compensation package is sufficient?

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44 Comments so far

  1. amd

    By making everything more expensive in the middle of a vast recession, by lying through her teeth to the Australian people – and yes it was a lie, no question, she would not have been elected if she had not stated clearly “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead” and by continuing to ignore the fact that the tax is deeply unpopular, Gillard has signed the death warrant for Labor at the next election. I will not vote for the virgin-loving Catholic, but nor can I reward such a blatant, vile lie with a vote. I have actually heard people say “All politicians lie”, as though that were some sort of excuse. I have heard selfish, heartless people say they don’t care how much those who have worked hard all their lives to pay their bills, the backbone of Australia, are struggling.

    Everyone knows this tax has nothing to do with the environment, even the ones towing the party line. The time and money Ms Gillard has wasted on forcing her lie on an unwilling nation could have been spent on setting up windfarms, solar energy, so many avenues we could have gone down. Instead, we have a tax which we were promised we would not have, which will not cut emissions but harms every working Australian. It’s a real shame. I predict that if Labor insists on keeping Gillard and the CT nonsense, Abbott will win in a landslide and have a mandate to do anything he pleases. The only hope Labor has is to get rid of this woman and repeal the CT before it’s too late. I will put neither of the above on my ballot at the next election if these two muppets are our only choice – but a nation of justifiably angry voters will vote for Abbott. Gillard plus the Carbon Tax is political suicide.

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  2. fender4va

    I’m ecstatic, Julia has persisted with the carbon tax. She’s just about signed her own pink slip. Bye, bye Ms. Gillard. :-)

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  3. Lucy

    Anyone see Craig Emerson singing today? He’s so great and has such a good voice. What a neat guy. He convinced me that Global warming is real and that in 3 years time when the compensation stops, we’ll be just so grateful to Labor.

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  4. Guest

    I support the carbon tax although I think it will do very little good unless and until the rest of the world gets on board but the negatives are pretty limited and some of the associated stuff like raising the personal income threshold are very good indeed.

    But the circumstances it was introduced in were very dodgy. You can’t promise not to do something during an election campaign and then do it without getting hammered – and she will. I think the ALP will struggle to return a single MP in Queensland and WA and will go backwards elsewhere, 15 MPs perhaps?

    And I still don’t know why she did it. OK, the Greens wanted it (although were happy to vote down pretty much the same package 18 months before and destroy Rudd’s Prime Ministership in the process – perhaps the best thing they’ve ever done for Australia) but if she’d told them no instead we’ll appoint an expert commission to study the issue they would fallen in line. No way would they have backed Abbott or triggered another election. Gillard has had a lot of bad luck but she’s consistenty made things worse with appalling judgement and this was the worst of the lot.

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    • Anonymous

      30 other countries already have an ETS (European Union ETS), California has an ETS and other states in America have carbon pricing, China is looking at bringing in a pilot ETS, Korea and Japan are developing an ETS, New Zealand has an ETS, we will too have an ETS by 2015… We are not doing this on our own which is something Abbott continuously fails to acknowledge. This is a global effort and we need to be a part of it. I’m really happy that the government has had the guts to do what’s right despite it being unpopular.

      (source http://www.climatechange.gov.au/government/international/global-action-facts-and-fiction/ets-by-country.aspx)

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      • Ex Labor Insider

        Anonymous, All the information in your comment is outdated and incorrect and looks like Labor government spin.

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      • Matt Preston

        Yes an ETS how many have a direct tax of 23 dollars per tone, I will take your non reply as none.

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  5. Ryan

    I kind of support the Carbon Tax. I completely agree with the reasoning behind it and I want us to do something about climate change, although I don’t think a Carbon Tax is enough. We need international agreements like the Montreal Protocol for there to be an impact on climate change. We need to do things about climate change and I’m glad Julia is doing something, although it is definitely not enough. Nothing Australia alone can do will be enough. We need international agreements and we need them very soon.

    On a side-note: I’m sick of Labor supporters acting so condescending to people who are against the Carbon Tax. All yesterday, as well as today, I’ve been hearing condescending “jokes” about how the world hasn’t ended yet as a result of the carbon tax, basically insulting anyone who is against the carbon tax. Do they really think that will get them votes at the next election?

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  6. Lj

    Has Tony forgotten how Johnny lied about the GST………..

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    • Guest

      I agree with you – he said there would never ever be a GST.

      And then had the audacity to go to an election asking for a mandate to introduce one. Words fail me to describe such appalling conduct. At least Julia didn’t ask the Australian people to be involved when she changed her mind.

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      • Sasy

        Guest, thank you for that and for my LOL moment. You are too funny. I almost thought you were serious!

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      • Trog

        Guest, I’m shocked right through to my non-core by your sarcasm.

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  7. Eva

    The ‘climate change is a giant hoax’ brigade are so dull, yet aggressive – bad comination. Think the tax is great, and applaud the courage of the political leaders who’ve brought it in. No, not interested in entering into a debate about the science – it’s settled and i believe it. Don’t know how much difference the tax will make to global warming, but glad to see pollution not income being taxed, and that we’re moving to a greener economy – that is a good thing. Bravo

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  8. K

    If we are only suppose to be $9.90 worse off under this new tax then why have we been informed by our electricity company that our bill for 2012/2013 will be around $250 more than 2011/2012.
    I can tell you what we did yesterday, we turned our heating off during the day and put on an extra jumper. It was only 10 degrees outside and gloomy but we didn’t have any lights on because $250 extra just for electricity is going to hit us hard.
    The carbon tax isn’t going to save the environment. I can guarentee that the temperature of the world won’t continue to rise. All it is, is a move by the government to redistribute wealth.
    They would have been better off doing a small tax increase and using that money to offer big industrial companies incentives to go green. Instead there is no incentives for them to go green, they just hike up their prices causing more stress on families that are already feeling the strain of everyday costs.

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    • charlierose

      I’m at work atm so I don’t have time to go into detail but with or without the carbon tax our electricity bills have/will continue to rise- networks are in desperate need of being upgraded as is infrastructure. Our consumer lifestyles mean that we are using more energy each year and therefore improvements need to be made to our systems in order to meet this increased demand

      …expensive improvements!

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    • bowerbird

      Electricity prices are going up regardless. In NSW about half the rise is due to the carbon price.

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    • alyssakt

      $60 per quarter is going to hit you hard? You know the $9.90 is per week, right? Not all up.
      So despite the tax threshold being raised from $6K to over $18K, and various other measures to assist low to middle income families, $250 extra for an entire year is a big deal?

      I think it’s time people switched off the airconditioning when not necessary (oh dear, you had to put a jumper on? horrific!!), thought a little more about their plasma TVs, pool pumps, inefficient lights and every other luxury they feel like they deserve, with no regard to the environment.
      I’m very pleased that this carbon price encourages/forces people to care more.

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  9. ben

    The government has said that their carbon tax will add an average of $9.90 to household bills, yet average compensation will be $10.10.

    That’s all well and good, and if it’s correct, then I won’t have a problem with it.

    The problem I have is we have to trust a government which has gone against their original promise to not introduce a carbon tax at all. We couldn’t trust them (her) then, why should we trust them now?

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  10. Just Saying

    Who is actually getting taxed? The big polluters. Why is this an issue?

    Big business and corporations will not self regulate if left to their own devices. They will continue to chase the almighty profit at any expense. This tax now incentivises them to find other ways to do business.

    I feel relieved in knowing we can tell our younger generations that we do in fact care about the world that they will eventually inherit and that we are doing something to try to preserve it for them.

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  11. Sparky

    Did anyone else cringe when they saw the footage of Whyalla? The ducking then cheering when it didn’t disappear off the map? Getting the kids involved in something that, chances are, they didn’t fully understand?

    Embarrassing. I question the mental age of the grown-ups who organised it, irrespective of their political agendas.

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    • bee

      I thought it was hilarious!! higlighted Tony’s idiocy really ,hope lots of people noticed.

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  12. bowerbird

    I’m in favour of a price on carbon for two basic reasons:

    1. The risks associated with not reducing greenhouse gas emissions are serious.
    2. Industry and consumption are driven by the markets. Lasting fundamental change cannot be achieved outside of the markets.

    We seem to be in a kind of weird parallel universe where the Liberal Party is opposed to a market mechanism, and is instead championing direct government spending on emissions-reduction programs. Odd. The only plausible explanation I can think of for that is that Abbott is less interested in finding effective solutions than he is in short-term political gain.

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  13. Trog

    I burnt some toast this morning.

    Cost me a fortune.

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  14. Ree2

    Day 2: Bored now.

    Clearly I did not have a life yesterday as I seem to have overdosed on the subject.

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    • Daisy

      Me too! I did more than my share of commenting yesterday. Moving on now!

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  15. alyssakt

    On The Project they claimed that with all of Abbott’s myth perpetuating propaganda and Chicken Little (‘the sky is falling!’) tactics, everyone will be able to charge him more now – “his car mechanic can charge him double and say it was from the Carbon Tax and he won’t be able to say, ‘no, that’s not how it works, it shouldn’t affect me like that’ ” haha

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    • The wounded bull

      Lol, now that is funny. It’s not like the whole climate change alarmists industry (aka Tim Flannery and his ilk) dont live the ‘Chicken Little The Sky’s Falling’ dream or anything.

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  16. The wounded bull

    Your left leaning bias shows no limits MM. How do you expect people to have felt the pain of this stupid tax after 1 day for gods sake.

    And to suggest the other side of the argument is people that think global warming is a hoax. Um no, you can still believe in a warming trend and also believe this is a stupid pointless money shuffling tax that will make zero difference to world temps as long as most of the rest of the world does nothing.

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    • jamilarizvi

      Hi Wounded Bull

      You’re right that opinions on this issue are not just divided into two camps. There are a whole range of different views along the spectrum. But Alan Jones’ comments, however over-the-top are making news today because he is a big driver of public opinion. So we’re going to report on them.

      You’re right that we’re only one day into the carbon tax and that it will take time for people to feel the effects. But it’s a hot topic of conversation today and lots of readers want somewhere they can come and discuss it. We’re providing that place – and we’re keen to hear a whole lot of different views, including yours.

      Jamila

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      • The wounded bull

        Thanks for the reply, but your article clearly says ‘the view from the other side is that carbon change is a hoax – I assume you mean climate, but still.

        Not even the lnp suggest it is a hoax, so why say this in such a black and white manner.

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    • Anon

      If you listen to the Opposition, people have been feeling the pain of the carbon tax for months. Job losses, businesses going broke, 1,900 sackings from Fairfax – all due, in whole or in part, to the carbon tax…months before its implementation. So why is a view on the impact one day in any less valid than the rubbish that the Opposition have been spouting for months?

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      • bee

        ,hope lots of people noticed that too.

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  17. Lulu

    I overslept this morning. I blame the carbon tax!!!

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  18. Big Fella at home

    RE Post from other page now this one has gone up….

    Most simple reason for the carbon tax is they need the money – same as the mining tax.

    When the libs get in they are going to have two problems about their promise to roll these taxes back.

    1. They will need the money – unless they want to remove the increase in tax free threshold & other things that have come into play over last couple of weeks etc. Pretty hard for them to do that….

    2. They won’t have control of the senate – well I don’t think they will anyway – and balance of power will still be with the greeens – I am sure everyone here is well aware only half the senate is up for election at each election unless there is a double disolution in which case its a full senate election. When its a full senate election then the thresholds for minor parties to get in is less – making it more likely that Libs / Nats won’t control the senate.

    3. If there is an election before August next year then the senate will not be part of it – only House of Reps and in that case Greens won’t pass any reversal of carbon or mining tax.

    Of interest… have a look at this article in The Australian (not Gillards friends thats for sure) http://blogs.theaustralian.news.com.au/mumble/index.php/theaustralian/comments/govt_jumps_the_shark/

    If you can’t be bothered reading it all then just this snap shot below – Revenue DIED in 2008 and if Howard got reelected then he would have needed the money as well – remember the libs SUPPORTED the stimulus package version 1 and most of version 2 when Rudd put that out into the economy….. therefore when Abbot gets in assuming he has the remotest chance of getting a reversal of carbon tax through the senate, I don’t think he will. Why? See reason 1 above!

    Snapshot of article starts here:

    The result, according to the opposition (both official and extra-parliamentary) is tens of billions, going into hundreds of billions of debt, accumulated over deficits in the last four years.
    John Howard and Peter Costello brought down surpluses until the very end; you’ve squandered the inheritance of their fiscal rectitude.
    This simple, powerful message has resonated across the country.
    Now, all but the most one-eyed of economists would agree that if Howard had won the 2007 election a Coalition federal government would also have gone into deficit and racked up debt of a similar magnitude (probably a bit smaller) to the current one’s

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  19. Maddy

    I’m all for it. Love it in fact. Want to marry it. Can’t wait for Tony Abbott to eat (choke) his words!

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    • Seoul Survivor

      How mature Maddy! You are an example of Australia’s education system, shame about that. I would think that the headline should not read, “Has the world ended yet?” It would be more apt to write, “Has climate change ended now we have legislated against It?” Depends on if you have chaired a government commitee and or attended ALP fund raisers, or if you are a normal Australian taxpayer I suppose.

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      • Maddy

        Thanks for your sarcastic post Seoul Survivor. You’re right, I am an example of Australia’s Education system, and since I have two degrees under my belt already and I’m one month off completing my Masters I’d say I’m a pretty good one! Also, I am a normal Australian taxpayer, I have a family, we live on one modest income, I don’t own my house, yet I still LOVE the carbon tax. I realise it’s not all about ME you see.. Bye, off to study :)

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        • Seoul Survivor

          Anyone on any blog who lists their job or degrees means they dont have said degrees…

          Wait two degrees and a masters – when are you going to get a job? Professional students living off the teat of the taxpayers

          Yawn – dime a dozen

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          • Maddy

            I wasn’t going to mention any qualifications until your snide remark at my education. You’re clearly one of those professional idiots who think raising 3 children and pursuing education at the same time doesn’t take ‘work’. As for getting a job, I’ll wait until my youngest starts kinder…watch out, I’ll probably be your boss!

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            • rosebud123

              oh yeah.. a degree and no experience.. youre going right to the top of the career ladder! keep dreaming! maybe if you actually paid tax you would think differently..

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          • Lulu

            Complaining right-whingers – yawn.

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            • Maddy

              Like I said, we have one income and we pay tax on it. I have only been a stay at home mum for the last 2 years, before that I was working since I was 15 and paying tax. You’re calling mums or dads at home looking after their kids and not being paid as non tax payers even though their spouse is obviously taxed. You’re fired.

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            • Karen

              Ha! Maddy you’re hilarious. Owning them at every turn! I’m with you, LOVE the carbon tax. For all you buying into the scare campaign, read this.. https://www.tai.org.au/node/540

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