Been to the supermarket/newsagent/airport yet this holiday period?
You’ve probably seen the avalanche of ‘body’ themed magazine covers. It’s that time of year.
When I was an editor, we always made the January issue body-related. It’s no accident. Everyone is coming out the back of Christmas, feeling like we’ve eaten too much, spending time outdoors or at the beach in cossies, shorts and singlets. Making resolutions that are so very often weight related.
Two covers have stood out for me so far. One I love, the other I loathe. Let’s lead with the positive, shall we.
The Women’s Weekly cover of Deborah Hutton, naked at 50, is my early vote for Cover Of The Year. I adore it. Yes, it has been air-brushed but to my eye (and having seen Deb Hutton in a cossie in real life), it’s minimal. There are lines on her face, there is texture to her skin. [OK, so after reading all your comments and thinking about it for a couple of days, I'm hearing what you're saying and I agree, the photoshopping is disappointing, again].
She looks beautiful and portraying a 50yo woman like this was a brave and exciting decision for editor Helen McCabe to take (clarification: what would have made it even more brave and exciting is if it had not been airbrushed). I’m hearing there have been some irate older and more conservative readers who have cancelled their subscriptions to AWW in a huff of nude-inspired outrage.
But I love the fact that a woman can be portrayed and perceived as attractive and sensual at 50.
THREE CHEERS FOR THAT.
It’s progress, I think. There’s approximately a million miles to go until women are depicted in a realistic way but this is a step forward (the fact that she is 50 and not the subject of a weight loss story). And it’s so rare that my heart doesn’t fall into my shoes every time I catch sight of a magazine cover, this is one to cheer me.
Not so much AWW’s stablemate at ACP, Woman’s Day. Here’s their cover – I snapped it at the supermarket where I’m on holidays.
In case you can’t read the words, they go like this:
Liz vs Simone BIKINI WAR ‘My beach body’s better than hers!’
The two women pictured are Liz Hurley and Simone Callahan and it’s difficult to know where to even start with how insulting and ridiculous this cover is, this CONCEPT is.
War? Really? A bikini war? Ugh.
Vote with your wallets, people. When you’re looking for some holiday reading, don’t buy magazines whose messages you don’t agree with. And if you have kids around, remember that little minds are looking at those words and images and making their own sense of them….
UPDATE: So I’ve been reading your comments all morning while on holidays and I’ve just put down the phone from Women’s Weekly editor Helen McCabe to get the real story on the Deb Hutton cover.
So interesting. All of it – the part where some of you have called me out for being a hypocrite (“how can ‘minimal’ air-brushing be OK?”), the part where others have insisted it’s a black and white issue (“you’re either against airbrushing or OK with it”), the part where some have thrown up their hands in bafflement that I thought Deb Hutton posing for the Australian Women’s Weekly (AWW) was any different to Ricky-Lee posing for Maxim, the part where some have suggested this entire post is about giving ‘a free plug’ to a mate, the part where some Mamamia staff have questioned my judgement in running this post……and on and on for 120 comments or so.
Being on holidays and all, I’m not quite razor-sharp so bear with me a little as I try to unpick what I loved about the AWW cover, what I didn’t and where I stand on the issue of photoshop.
As many have noted and as I stated myself, Deborah is someone I know and like very much. So is the editor of AWW, Helen McCabe – she and I have had many many discussions about magazines, photoshop and the role it all plays in women’s body image but more about that in a moment.
I loved the cover for a few reasons. Firstly, because I think it radiates warmth in the way Deborah does in real life. It captures that. Secondly, because she is 50 years old and she is not on the cover – or naked- because she’s recently lost weight. For once, a magazine cover of a female celebrity is not based on her weight. HOO-BLOODY-RAY.
To me, it’s a refreshing image because women over 40 (heck, women over 25 it sometimes feels like) are often seen as invisible. The last naked celebrity I recall being on a women’s mag cover was Jennifer Hawkins a few years ago when she was about 24.
Would I have loved this image more if it hadn’t been photoshopped? YES YES YES. A thousand times yes. I should perhaps have clarified that a bit more vehmently in my original post but I assumed (clearly incorrectly) that my position on that matter was well known. I am against photoshop which is why when I was photographed for AWW myself, I asked that no photoshop work be done.
And it wasn’t. So yes, I DO walk my talk.
Back to Deb’s cover, when I first saw the mag, I did note the the photoshopping was – to my expert eye – minimal, something I have since confirmed with Helen McCabe when I called her just now. Both Deborah and Helen were adamant that the cover be minimally re-touched and that she ‘look her age’.
In earlier versions of the cover, the retouching (by the photographer who always has ultimate control of how much or little an image is digitally altered) was too heavy and they requested it be pulled back.
I do not like air-brushing. I do not like it one bit.
Do I wish there was no air-brushing at all? Yes. Do I prefer minimal and declared air-brushing to heavy, undeclared air-brushing? Yes. Do I have control over whether an image is air-brushed or not? No. Does everyone who contributes to Mamamia agree with my position on airbrushing? No. Do I believe air-brushing will ever be phased out entirely? Sadly, no.
So what are we left with? An industry who stubbornly believe that we – the readers they are trying to entice to buy their product – will not fork over our cash if there’s an un-airbrushed woman on the cover.
I say bollocks to that but I’m not in charge of those decisions anymore. I don’t have to report to a publisher who is shaking his fist (and yes, magazine publishing bosses are ALWAYS male) and demanding to know why my circulation is down – and that is what magazine editors insist will happen if they dare to run a REAL image of a REAL woman, one who hasn’t been created with a computer.
But what if circulation is not down? What if ditching the airbrush INCREASES sales? What if it prompts women like me – and maybe you – to return to the newsagent and pick up a magazine for the first time in years? Looks like we’ll never know because no editor seems to be prepared to take that risk.
Still. I applaud Helen McCabe – not just because she’s my friend, I have many many friends who are mag editors and trust me when I tell you I do not applaud them all – for being the only editor I know who is pushing for less re-touching (“because readers are demanding it”, she tells me) and who is consistently transparent about what digital alteration is done to her covers.
I can think of no other editor who is even pretending to listen to the consumer demand for more transparency. So props for that.
We still argue about it. I still told her today -again - that I passionately believe her premise is wrong. That there is no need to make the cover image (or any other image) more “glossy and commercial” with photoshop when we’re talking about women who are already very beautiful and lit in extraordinarily flattering ways by talented photographers such as David Gubert who took these shots of Deborah.
So for anyone who was under the misguided impression that I have stopped fighting the fight against photoshop – either publicly or behind the scenes, you are WRONGITY WRONG WRONG.
Back to why I liked the image. I like looking at images of women – clothes, unclothed, whatever. I think the female face and body is beautiful – in all the different forms in which it comes. I like that AWW have showcased the idea of a 50 year old woman being attractive, outside and in. Most of all I like – actually I love – the words that go with these images inside the magazine where Deborah writes about her relationship with her body and her motivation for posing for these pictures.
She writes about how insecure she was about her body in her teens and twenties when she was modelling and constantly being told to lose weight. About how two skin cancer scares and a neck injury gave her new respect for her body and what it can DO rather than how thin it is. About how there is too much emphasis placed on being a certain weight and not on being healthy. About how she is more accepting of her body -with all its ‘imperfections’ at 50 than she has ever been before in her life.
Yes, I do think it’s disappointing of everyone involved in the production of these images that some of those ‘imperfections’ were not deemed worthy of public view. It pisses me off and baffles me that anyone would think that. So yes, I guess I’m conflicted.
I also find it so interesting the way that month after month, heavily airbrushed images and drastically altered faces and bodies on the covers of magazines go unnoticed. But when an editor pushes the boundaries a little and does something a bit different – like putting a 50 year old woman on the cover - there’s an outcry. I am in violent agreement that editors and magazines must be held to account and that we should vote with our wallets. But I was also encouraged by SOME of the taboos broken with this cover. Now if only they could break a few more.









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Omg the comments on this post (and on others) are outta control!
I love visiting this site in my lunch break and not for the first time have I gasped aloud at the nastiness and cattiness from women commenting.
Who haughtily deride airbrushing while slagging their fellow sista (Mia and other mm) in ways which are just unnecessary. Airbrushing ssshmairbrushing, it’s the language and tone amongst women which frightens me.
I’d love to hear how Mia maintains her poise, confidence and grace when treated this way for respectfully writing her OPINION.
Seriously girls imagine what your mum would say
Mia polarizes and is VERRRY brave.
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Here is a way you can look like Deborah Hutton at 20, 30, 40 or 50, 60 or even 100 years of age. It is for every self-conscious woman who cannot see themselves past their own sexually-objectified bodies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_vVUIYOmJM
And for those of us who can see beyond our bodies —> “RESPECT SISTERS!”
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as a late 30′s professional woman and mum I don’t consider myself prude but I did not like seeing a naked woman on the cover of my AWW when it arrived in the mail – not because of anything about Deborah Hutton (I like her & think she is gorgeous) but just because I don’t expect that from my AWW mag – maybe a mens mag cover or some other trashy weekly… sorry that’s just how I honestly feel, just that it is inappropriate coffee table viewing/reading!
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I think the real issue here is how totally disgraceful the Woman’s Day cover is. Bikini wars? Geez. Between two grown women whose children will presumably be spending a lot of time together?
And how about the photos of a three year olds tantrum? Yuck.
Sure, I get the argument that “as long as you buy it we’ll print it” but why do we always seem to cater for the lowest common denominator? None of this tripe actually serves to do any good for anyone, other than lining the pockets of the publisher. Ewww.
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While I applaud the intent of AWW, to put an older woman on the cover and show that at any age we are beautiful and relevant and do not need airbrushing, I can’t help but feel a little disappointed with AWW.
Firstly because I HATE this time of the year with the tabloid magazines that constantly focus on body image and all the advertising inside them full of weight loss and how a woman is supposed to look. I would be applauding AWW even louder if they had bucked this trend entirely.
Also, why does an accomplished, talented woman who has achieved so much need to be naked on the cover of a major national magazine? Doesn’t this buy into the statements (which mamamia themselves have posted on this website) from documentaries such as “Killing Me Softly” where a woman has to be reduced to their body parts in order to sell? That the woman becomes an object, or a thing?
Mia, I accept your argument for the cover, however I think AWW still has a long way to go before we can say they are truly helping the fight to positively represent woman. That is my underlying disappointment with the cover, not that it dares to show an older woman.
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I totally agree with your comments, fab12.
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And let’s face it, Deborah Hutton is not your typical looking 50 year old woman either. Talk about keeping the pressure on women to look young, nubile, sexy and cellulite free. I thought after 40, we could all slack off a bit
I can kind of see where you are coming from Mia, that it’s good to be able to celebrate a woman who is of that ‘invisible age’ for her sexiness but she is gorgeous in a way that that most aren’t. She is obviously one of those very rare freaks of nature who will be conventionally beautiful well into old age.
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…and I mean ‘freak of nature’ in the nicest possible way
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Deb I think you look amazing, computer help or not. I have long been an admirer of yours actually since I was 17 and I am now 49. I think I look almost as good you if only I could lose those last 3kg round the middle. Alot of those comments are the green eyed monster and alot of people are not comfortable with 50y0 women portrayed like that it makes them feel uncomfortable because they have just let themselves go. I think you are terrific, not perfect and the ww cover is something you should be proud of and it has certainly motivated me into action to look as good as you.
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Airbrushing or not the WW cover still suggests that being ‘incredible’ means having a size eight figure, minimal wrinkles and no cellulite. How can this cover make anyone feel good about themselves? It makes me feel horrible because at the age of 23 this 50 year old women is thinner and has less cellulite and wrinkles than I do! It reminds me of the famous Marie-Claire cover with Jennifer Hawkins on it supposedly unairbrushed celebrating good body image. I don’t want to belittle Deborah Hutton or Jennifer Hawkins and their great figures. Good on them. But how are normal women meant to feel good about ourselves when magazines are still celebrating the size 8, cellulite and wrinkle free perfectly tanned model body as the ideal body?
Yes, I know that some normal women do have this kind of body and good for them! But for many women this type of body is impossible no matter how much we exercise and how little we eat. What about all the fifty year old women out there who have had children and have stretch marks and have two jobs (a day job and mother/housewife) and thus don’t have the time or energy to exercise every day to achieve the ‘perfect’ figure. Are they not incredible too? The issue for me is not the airbrushing or lack of airbrushing in Australian magazines. It is the lack of diversity in the women shown in these magazines and the fact that a size 8, wrinkle free, cellulite free tanned body is still represented as the ideal body. To me this cover is no different from all the other covers of magazines depicting models out there. I would have hoped that by the age of 50 women would be judged more on their achievements and their life experience than their bodies.
I am still waiting for the day when a magazine does a body issue with a cover like the Dove ads with a range of women with different bodies naked and proud and self-confident and airbrush free. That would say a million times more about body image than the WW cover did.
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This has been a very interesting and often heart-warming debate. I’ve decided to backtrack and actually read the article itself rather than avoid it just because I’m not enamoured of the AWW cover. And it IS the cover concept and execution I have a problem with. It certainly isn’t a personal attack on Deborah Hutton. Her response that she is disappointed people aren’t even bothering to read the article is fair enough. I’d have liked it referenced on the cover differently but don’t want to be so narrow-minded that I miss out on something worthwhile inside the magazine.
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Well, are we happy now? Sunrise has also just tackled this issue – unnecessarily. Who cares whether photos are airbrushed or not. (Actually, the correct term for it is “photo manipulation”.) I don’t, and here’s a bit of research I uncovered from Wikipedia – “Before computers, photo manipulation was achieved by retouching with ink, paint, double-exposure, piecing photos or negatives together in the darkroom, or scratching Polaroids. Airbrushes were also used, whence the term “airbrushing” for manipulation. The first recorded case of photo manipulation was in the early 1860s, when a photo of Abraham Lincoln was altered using the body from a portrait of John C. Calhoun and the head of Lincoln from a famous seated portrait by Mathew Brady – the same portrait which was the basis for the original Lincoln Five-dollar bill.” So if a US President was doing it in 1860 to enhance his image why are we creating such a damned fuss about it 150 years later? Could it be that the issue is not that photographs are being air brushed but that it forces us to think “Hmm. Maybe I can try a little harder?” I think so. Game over. You win Deb.
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Soooo tired of AWW trotting out Debra Hutton, Rebecca Gibney and Olivia Newton John as examples of women aging naturally. They have all had a period in their lives where they appeared suddenly younger, with a firmer jawline than the year before. Benjamin Button syndrome ?
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As editor of Women’s Health magazine, I truly believe our lack of airbrushing covers has been a key to our amazing success (seven consecutive circulation increases since launch & now nudging 100,000). We do MINIMAL airbrushing…perhaps remove a pimple or brighten the shot. I’ve had a number, no hundreds, of emails over the years from readers who love that our covers are authentic and real. So, there you go Mia, I’m proud to say that on our mag it’s worked!!!
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I get Women’s Health mag every month and it never even clicked that you don’t airbrush…maybe that is just me being naive though. I love your mag, and the models that you use are definitely what I aspire to – they are strong, powerful, healthy bodies. It is those images that are on my dream board, certainly not those of waif-like celebrities! Keep up the great work
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I’ve just read this for the first time, and wanted to thank you, Mia, for the update. It certainly made for interesting reading, as it was more informative and informed than the original piece. Much appreciated. x
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Just going to put it out there…..ever notice how very few magazines have non-Caucasian women on their covers? Or product advertisements are very……… vanilla (non-Caucasian variety)
I’d like to see some variety thanks.
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http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity/deborah-hutton-defends-digitially-altered-nude-shoot-for-womens-weekly/story-fn9076o9-1226235551044
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I have long been a reader of the WW and have always loved how it is a mag that has diversity but never speculates on gossip, never stoops to the low of making up stories to sell issue but rather interviews a wide range of people and keeps articles dignified. I am 32 and must admit that I was disappointed with the cover. Airbrushed or not, it is a nude image of a woman. I have been keeping it face down around the house because every time my 7yr old son has seen it he has erupted into giggles and sought out his 5yr old brother to have another giggle with. I am trying to give my boys a balanced, positive message in how they see – and subsequently treat – women, I could tell them all about the great recipes inside the mag, I could show them the puzzles, I could show them the story on the nursing home tragedy but what will remain with them is that front cover image! My daughter, who is 10 saw the cover, raised her little eyebrow and gave me a little grin whilst searching my face deeply for the right way to react to this image. Will I cancel my subscription? No way but will I feel a little disappointment with the iconic mag I love, you bet.
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Could it be that your kids reacted in these ways to an image of a nude female because it was ‘censored’?
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I know I’ve come quite late to this post but I had to comment on how beautiful, happy and dignified the Women’s Weekly cover is. Regardless of age it’s wonderful and refreshing to see lovely women talking about their body issues. I don’t think the cover is AT ALL objectifying women but rather, when viewed in context with the accompanying story, portraying a message of body love and acceptance.
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As a psychologist, all I can say is that it still feeds into the female psyche that we are still being judged by our bodies? How well we look when we are 20, 30, 40, 50, etc, how is that important in the scheme of things? What happened to our intellects, our personalities, etc. Because Deborah is well respected in Australia, I thought that she could have used her influence better than this. We will get more female clients (teens and women) with body image disorders and issues and this cover only reinforces the stereotype of having to look at at 50. Why cant women just age gracefully?
When have we seen men posing nude on the cover of magazines? Its because we are still seen as sex objects and we are still expected to keep up with sexual appearances.
As a mother, I am disappointed that my 3 young teenage daughters have to see this nude cover at the local supermarket and newsagent stands.
This cover does not support feminism, on the contrary, it supports the modern notion of women always having to continue to have a sex appeal. Face it, the picture is sexy, it’s not neutral.
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Thank you for this. I wholeheartedly agree.
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Hear, hear!
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I, too, agree wholeheartedly!
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I really get sick of hearing how ‘brave’ it is for celebrities to pose naked on magazine covers. Debra was a model and she is beautiful irrespective of her age and has presumably, spent her whole freaking life looking after herself and has had the resources and incentive to do so. Now, take 48 year old welfare mother of three, Cheryl Bloggs from Witchydangarra, get HER kit off and put HER on a magazine cover and I might be impressed.
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Hey Janine, my use of the word ‘brave’ applies to the editor’s decision to put a naked 50yo on the cover. I’ve been in a thousand editorial management meetings and I know exactly how hard she would have had to fight to get that cover approved.
But come on, I also think deb is brave for getting her gear off, yes I do. Who cares that she was a model many years ago? She’s human!
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Why is she naked? It’s just embarrassing. Put your clothes back on love.
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I think DH looks beautiful, on and off the cover. I saw this cover in the shops but despite recognizing DH’s beauty, I was underwhelmed. Doesn’t seem groundbreaking to me, another beautiful, naked blonde. We are saturated with images of beautiful women, they kinda blend into one giant, naked, superwoman-in my head anyway. The AWW cover is insulting. I used to enjoy buying a magazine but can’t remember the last time one left me satisfied. Frankie and Notebook are (were) the exception. This debate is more interesting to me than any magazine cover which is why Mamamia is more appealing than any of the print magazines. At least it encourages and allows for a sharing of opinion and ideas. Seems like a positive to me.
How are magazine sales going?? We all say we hate that AWW cover but someone is buying it…they won’t stop printing this sort of crap until there is truly no demand/interest for it.
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Notebook Magazine was great! What a shame it had to shut down. I only discovered it right before it finished. Had just the right balance of health, lifestyle, fashion, beauty, recipes and creative projects to undertake. It was really different from anything available out there today.
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Hi Rachael1260, I loved Notebook too, am still missing it! It was the only mag that I felt treated women with respect. I have not been able to find an equivilent. Love the craft, cooking, garden articles, and the fact it was not patronising or gossiping re celebrities. I really loved the inspiring thoughts of the month quoted from amazing people who have actually made a difference in the world. My newagent told me it would be no more – she said she didn’t understand it as she had always sold them and they sold well.
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Yes, I loved Notebook too. It was unique and refreshing and really quite different to anything else. I think I collected every issue until we were moving house and my son said “Enough with the magazine collection Mum. I am not lifting cartons and cartons of magazines again.” Well, he had a point. Along with Notebook, there was everything I had collected on Princess Diana, AWW, Vogue, Harpers Bazar, Marie Claire, Italian Vogue. Out they all went.
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I’ve been thinking what to write about this for a few days now. I think this is a beautiful cover, I adore Deborah Hutton. She is always poised and composed and a fine example of a woman in her 50′s. Yay Deborah.
I myself am a photographer and I’ve done a very small amount of modeling and TV. I’m not a magazine photographer (ok so I’ve had covers for kid magazines but that’s different). I don’t shoot fashion nor do I shoot celebrities for magazines. I do however shoot families, children, babies and occasionally brides. Sadly over the years I’ve seen a massive trend in people expecting that their photos will be fully airbrushed. As a photographer I use photoshop to enhance colour, change to black and white, crop images and edit out distracting things in the background. I am a photographer, not a photoshop expert. But more and more I find that people expect that they will be made to look like the unrealistic images in these magazines. This is a digital age and everyone using a photographer now expects some kind of photoshop work. Ah give me the good old days of film back please!
Some of my clients have requested excessive work and I’ve even seen many other photographers use skin smoothing techniques on young children and even babies. Yes babies. Airbrushing has gone mainstream and it’s now effecting the innocent, perfect little bundles of joy just days old. We are a society who has become obsessed with perfection. Utterly obsessed. And why? Because of the images we see all the time in magazines and online. Look at Youtube and you’ll see there are thousands of tutorials on how to photoshop the ugly ducking into the perfect swan. Crazy!
I don’t mind removing a pimple or blemish here and there, if it’s not a permanent feature of the person I’ve photographed I’m happy to get rid of it. But removing every wrinkle, liquifying a person from a size 16 to a size 10 just doesn’t sit well with me. It’s not who they are and when they look back on their photos in 30 years time they’ll think one of two things. 1) Gee I was gorgeous look how ugly and old I am now. Or hopefully 2) Why did I do that, I was beautiful just the way I was.
Personally I think this is a great cover. Firstly, it’s of a beautiful woman in her 50′s, she’s naked and she hasn’t been photoshopped to look like she’s 16. Sure she could have had a few less lines removed, but honestly it’s a pretty good step in the right direction. I can see texture on her neck, she still has her smile lines (slightly reduced in intensity though). I wonder if this image would have made a cover in the 80′s? Probably not. Therefore it’s a step in the right direction.
Thanks for always opening the can of worms!
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Perhaps it is too late to comment but want to say this.
Readers are most concerned and in an uproar over the way Mia has done a complete backflip on her airbrushing/ photoshopping stance.
That’s all.
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Thank you for your comment – please can you stick to one name per thread. Thanks
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No backflip. Read what I wrote.
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I can’t understand why you would be endorsing this magazine. I went and looked at it at the local newsagent after first reading your post. I totally agreed with you and thought it was good that there was little body airbrushing…. However all over the advertisement for the mag outside the newsagent was ’5day diet plan’ etc etc…surely we are trying to get this sort of diet craze out!! I also think that there is no way putting Deborah Hutton nude on the front cover is ‘normal’ and doesn’t do much for peoples self image and body issues…gosh I’m 30 and if I looked that good now I’d be over the moon!! I think this debate is one that will continue…
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I have read and re read the comments re the airbrushing, the fact that Deborah Hutton was nude and photo shopped to boot! I fully agree that we need to see ” real” people reflected in the media- but in todays technical world I believe that this is just not a possibility. I do believe that images that are being presented to women in general are unrealistic- however, I cannot believe a photoshopped photo of an 50 year old woman has caused such an outcry in a world where I believe we should be focussing about things that are presented on a daily basis via the media to our children and grandchildren.
I am an intelligent together over 50′s woman & I buy magazines on occasion, just so that I can read the nonsense that is written. It provides light reading and entertainment in a world where often the media only produce doom and gloom because that is considered newsworthy. Besides all that it is great for answering trivia questions when required!!
In relation to comments that were made about Deborah personally- this is unfair and catty- just because she is childless does not mean that she is shallow- what a terrible assumption to make of a person you have never met!!
Go Deb- as an over 50 year old to another who has just got there , I applaud you.
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I just have to say I am REALLY bothered by the idea that “evening skin tone” to get rid of sun damage etc but otherwise leaving the AWW cover photo untouched is MINIMAL AIRBRUSHING. Evening skin tone?!?! I would look like a completely different person!! No pimples, freckles, age spots and don’t tell me wrinkles and lines don’t get erased in the process of evening skin tone. I’ve had a couple of spray tans which evens the skin tone on my legs to tan instead of white/red and freckly and I look different immediately. Even if smoothing out/evening/whatever you call it the skin tone was the only thing that was done that is kind of a HUGE DEAL! I think it is probably the most common use of photoshop, second maybe would be slimming. So skin tone was the only one used on Deb because she is already slim. CHANGING AND PERFECTING THE SKIN TONE OF AN ENTIRE FACE AND BODY IS NOT A SMALL AMOUNT OF CHANGE!
Excuse the capital letters/shouting I am just feeling very passionate about the fact that Deb and Mia have defended it for the lighting and minimal photoshopping when even if not much was done, the one thing that apparently was done is a big deal.
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I’ve been thinking about this article and reading the comment for awhile – I didn’t know how to say what I wanted to say.
When I first saw the cover, I didn’t think much of it – just another cover! But when I read this article and took a closer look, I have to admit… I honestly thought the photo was not photoshopped at all! I assumed (as Deborah has confirmed now) that it was down to good lighting. That might sound naive, but I’ve seen Deborah on tv and know she looks pretty darn good. Yes, I understand that this ‘good’ I speak of is what the media also calls good – but to me, there are many variations of what ‘looks good’. To me, a woman looks good if can see in the picture that she is comfortable and healthy. I often dislike pictures of very, very skinny models if they are sitting around pouting and looking miserable. However, if the pictures are done with girls laughing and looking ok, I don’t mind if they’re ‘skinny’ – because some women are just naturally like that. I also find pictures of bigger women nice to look at if they look happy, and likewise, if they look miserable or grouchy I don’t like them.
I’m pleased that Mia read over comments and made edits – that’s what makes a good writer in my opinion… someone who is willing to retract their comments or reword them or have their minds changed. Personally I think people overreacted in some of the comments, because I can see Mia’s point about minimal airbrushing – a little is far better than a lot, and none is even better.
I’m 27, and I’ve never had that ‘amazing’ (according to the media) body. I never well. My natural shape simply won’t allow it. I will never have a teeny waist, because I have a large ribcage and fairly wide hips, and my waist is similar. If I’m healthy, I’ll always be wider at the waist too. In the last few months, I suddenly realised that I think I’ve really let go of the few body hang-ups I had. I’ve never been overly obsessed or upset with what I do or don’t have, and I’ve never punished myself or catergorise food into ‘bad’ or ‘good’. But I’ve had issues, like most women. But lately, I’ve realised that I do look ok. My fiance loves the way I look, and though I can’t wear bikinis without feeling a bit funny, or tight jeans with a tight top (I get the muffin top!), I look nice. I do want to start moving more, but that has more to do with my desire to get fitter, so that in a few years when we start our family, I’ll have a stronger body. I know I’ll probably shape up a little and maybe lose a few kilos, but if I don’t, but I can at least run a bit without losing my breath, I’ll be happy.
To me, this is how Deborah looks. She looks like she’s accepted her body and is proud of it. Yes, there was some light airbrushing on her skintone, but that was her call. And she doesn’t really ‘owe’ other people to not feel good about her pictures.
As for the being naked… I look naked pictures! I love seeing people’s different bodies. I don’t see them as sexualised pictures at all. There seems to be this attitude that naked = sex. We were born naked. Sure, we’re naked when we have sex, but that’s mainly just logistics. Rather than assuming that women (or men) can NEVER be naked in pictures, shouldn’t we be focusing our energy on chnaging that assumption? How about, naked can also mean beauty: a body in all its glory.
I don’t buy magazines at all these days, partly because I get bored looking at things I don’t like, can’t afford or don’t care about. If I buy one at the airport its usually something like National Geographic, but sometimes I want a marie claire or a trashy famous. I find them fun, and I don’t think much about them.
On a last note, while I would like to see more diverse images in the media, I also think women need to start using their noggins a bit more… if you know that the images are airbrushed or changed, why are you looking at it and letting it make you feel bad about your own body? As Elenor Roosevelt once said ‘no one can make you feel inferior besides yourself’. Yes, these images are partly to blame – especially when they’re directed to younger girls – but not totally. We are letting the media dictate what we want by continuing to buy things that upset us or don’t represent us. If everyone who insists that it’s only media images that make them feel bad stopped buying these images, things might change.
Just my two cents worth…
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Well said amyintheworld – I was trying to think of Roosevelt’s comment for my own post below – so thankyou.
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More to the point if mags like this make you feel bad why the hell buy them? I stopped buying all womens mags about 2 yrs ago…mostly they made me feel inadequate or as if i was missing something…the perfect body, house, bag etc.I then thought why am I handing over $10 to someone to make me feel like crap or wanting stuff I don’t really need (a new bag etc)? Women need to vote with their feet and stop buying all these trash mags THEN publishers will listen.
And yes I agree notebook was the only decent ‘womens’ mag out there. I came to it late but I loved it….being it back.
Finally I think DH deciding to do this pic was ill informed on her part.Use your brain girl not your body. Who cares what your body looks like whether u are 40 or 60? I don’t. I’d rather hear women’s opinions on world politics, society and stuff that actually MATTERS.
Enough said.
Ann
http://www.annnolan.com.au
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Oh lighten up people! There will always be people in life who look more aesthetically pleasing and others who do not! I reckon if there were a before and after pic with the photoshopping there wouldn’t be any real difference anyway.
DH, you look fab. The photo shoot captures your healthy, happy glow and infectious personality that I’ve always loved about you. I think this was part of Mia’s original point.
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Mia, I would like to ask. Why is this minimally airbrushed photograph of Deborah Hutton up for ‘best cover of the year’ yet you condemned the completely un-airbrushed photograph of Jennifer Hawkins on Marie Claire? Both women are in the media and therefore a part of their job is to look presentable – so I don’t see the difference. You seem to be saying it is great that a beautiful 50 year old woman can pose naked but bad for out self esteem if a beautiful 28 year old woman poses naked?
I am a long time reader and although I don’t agree with most of what you say, I thoroughly enjoy Mamamia.
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As a mother I think we shouldnt judge people’s motives of posing naked on covers (and looking great) on their parenthood status. DH may not have to change nappies or care for children but she may have other people (sick parents or siblings) who need her like many childless couples. Not having children is not shallow, she may not be able to or have found the right partner. And I know lots of mums who look this good because they work at it (and have good genetics and discipline). Everyone is different, as are their situations. This is about airbrushing, not DH life choices.
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Look, this debate isn’t about airbrushing, nudity or even whether or not we like the cover. It’s really about Mia Freeman’s inexplicable backflip on the issue.
All of a sudden this self-styled leader in the fight against photoshopping is saying “actually minimal airbrushing is ok by me” and “I adore” this dramatically altered image.
This debate is about values, double standards and the hypocrisy of an opinion leader.
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I find this debate so interesting not only as a part-time photographer, photography teacher and a mother of 2 small children with my own body issues/hang-ups.
Many opinions on this forum are linked to the idea that Photoshop and using it to enhance images is an ‘all or nothing’ approach. Programs like photoshop have been around since digital photography became the norm in the last 10 years. Clients seem to demand it, particularly with Wedding Photography as they want to look air-bushed, blemish free and have no shadows under the eyes on their special day. I imagine celebrity and fashion photography is much the same! I believe kids photography is also retouched quite a bit, as are many of the advertising campaigns put out by private schools every year. Photoshop is a tool of the trade used in the media, and Photographers/ Retouchers would rarely let an image out without some from of enhancement (lighting, levels, cloning of skin etc). I believe every image in the public domain is enhanced in some way.
I object to the overuse of photoshop and other programs being used to overzealously morph people into plastic, or used to change a persons shape and skin tone. I think Mia’s stance has always been strong in this view and has been highlighted many times on this site. However, I think is mean-spirited and petty to attack people (Deborah Hutton, Helen McCabe, Mia and Zoe Foster, who’s work I love!) personally on this site and felt compelled to write after following mamamia for 2 years.
This issue is not clear-cut, it never has been and there will always be debate. Please keep the silent majority reading this site!
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Well said!
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I’m completely surprised by the fact that many are surprised by this cover and that air brushing happens and that it will continue to do so…
This issue seems to be more about self esteem. If you really gain it/lose it from looking at a magazine cover when you know it’s not real, then perhaps it’s time to do some more work on the inner you.
I don’t buy this magazine, but I do buy others when I feel like a mag-read (I often buy Women’s Health or Frankie, etc). I take from it what I want and leave the other crap.
Maybe because I know that ‘losing 10 kilo’s in a month’ isn’t healthy, or that there is no ‘miracle’ cure for those fine lines.
I take from them the information that inspires me – fitness tips and things to try, new products that I might like to try, articles about people that are interesting to me – things that will make ME healthy and inspired.
Deborah Hutton is a beautiful woman. On television she looks amazing and I’m sure she would look so in real life too. And I’m sure she works hard to look that way – and most likely – for herself! To be healthy and live the longest and strongest she can. Sure she may be missing some lines and spots, however the body is hers and the hair and makeup is what most of us wear ourselves on a regular basis.
Everyone knows that this happens in the media – as mentioned by others – vote with your wallets!!
And to all those that think ALL young women are influenced by magazines and celebrity looks – not true. I knew as a teen that the images in magazines were enhanced and never tried to live up to them.
I just tried to be healthy and took advice from those around me – eat in moderation, exercise and have fun! And it works. It’s an insult to those who understand the power of looking after yourself and do just that in order to be healthy, not skinny.
If everyone looked after themselves to the fullest then I doubt there would be as much jealousy..oh wait…I mean uproar….
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Let’s remember, however, that looking after oneself “to the fullest” is different for everyone. I have a feeling that Deborah Hutton has the time, the resources and the motivation (modelling, being a well-known public figure) to do just that.
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How AMAZING that Deborah doesn’t had one freckle, sunspot, mole, wrinkle… the list goes on. Until this type of ridiculous “fixing” stops, young and mature women alike will never be happy with their own image. Do yourselves a favour and buy a good book to read this summer instead of rubbish magazines like AWW & womans day.
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Good grief people…it’s just a magazine cover. And, I personally want to know what woman (let alone a 50yr old woman) would not object to a little cleanup (pimples anyone?) if their naked body was about to be presented in print form to the nation?
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I’m trying to understand what taboo was broken or progress was made with this AWW magazine cover? Past cover ladies, all smiling and presenting themselves confidently, include Julia Gillard 50, Magda Szubanski 50 (excuse spelling!), Ita Buttrose 69, Anna Bligh 51, Marcia Hines 58, Deborah Lee Furness 56 etc! And I’m not talking about covers of these women when they were 20! It’s not special to put an older woman on the AWW cover it’s the NORM because that’s their target demographic. Dolly is more likely to have Miley Cyrus or Justin Bieber because they are targeting a younger market. I definitely do not applaud this cover as different. Mature, blonde, tan, thin, airbrushed woman on magazine cover once again for a womens magazine targeted at a more mature audience.
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Well said!
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But not one of those women you mentioned were nude. It’s the ‘hot’ 50 year old that gets that ‘privilege’ and why? That’s what we want to examine. Why we’re putting forward an ideal that leads to women analysing themselves and finding themselves lacking. Is it any wonder women by and large have such huge body loathing issues when we’re bombarded with examples of this ‘ideal’ from every angle? I can only imagine the comments there would be if this was Magda or someone that doesn’t fit the societal mold on the cover, nude. That would be far to confronting for most people.
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Halliday,
The irony of course is that all those other women – and women far younger than Deborah- were far more heavily photoshopped.
I am on holidays where there happens to be a copy of a Magda cover and the photoshop is very very heavy. And yet nobody seems to comment on that.
Just a point I thought I’d throw into the mix!
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So when are we going to see someone like Magda on the cover, nude, without airbrushing? When are we finally going to explore the idea that a former model with a size eight figure and no wrinkles or cellulite or moles or freckles is not the only beautiful fifty year old out there?
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This has to be one of the most ill-thought out and cronyistic disavowals I’ve ever read. Freeman, you’re now a firm apologist for air-brushing; you can’t have it two ways. And what’s worse, it’s such a long “recant”, but unfortunately you have so little to say.
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I’m going to take this opportunity to remind you of our commenting guidelines… A little respect please
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She’s voicing her opinion (albeit a strong one) and she hasn’t engaged in name-calling. I think the fight is fair.
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I hardly think she’s an apologist for air-brushing. Steady on.
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I’m a designer and totally against photoshopping even though I could probably make a lot of money from it. More against it since becoming the mother of a baby girl. I don’t even photoshop my own pics unless there’s a really awful zit or a bra strap showing. You wouldn’t believe how many people ask me to do their pics as a favour (as if it’s just gonna take a couple of minutes) and I always say no.
As for this magazine cover, photoshopped or not, she doesn’t look 50, more like in her 30s. Considering a lot of the debate on this forum is how women feel pressured to look a certain way when it’s unattainable, I would have thought this comes under the same category. Who looks like that when they’re 50? Here’s who – women with the money and time to do all or some of the following things:
Spend all day working out with a personal trainer;
Hire chefs and nutritionists;
Spend a fortune on make up and beauty products (unless you’re so famous you get them free);
Hire nannies when your kids are young so you never have to function on three hours sleep;
Never have to worry about paying the rent/mortgage/gas bill (leading to frown lines, bags under eyes etc;
Have surgery.
Not sure what sort of life Deborah Hutton has led, but most women don’t have the above luxuries. This goes hand-in-hand with celebs who lose their baby weight quickly (they would with the aforementioned personal trainers, nutritionists and lack of money woes – very sarky well done from me). So we not only have to be yummy mummies (ick), and skinny/curvy depending on what’s ‘hot’ in any given week, but we have something to aspire to when we’re fifty too. Thanks.
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I don’t like the Deb cover. As many others have said, it looks heavily photoshopped/fake. If it wasn’t in fact heavily photoshopped, there must have been a heck of a lot of filters/flattering lighting used to take the shot. Either way, it adds up to a misleading image. I find the lack of skin imperfections – no moles/freckles/sunspots etc offputting.
Some others have commented on their disappointment that Zoe’s picture on this website is a retouched photo. I am also disappointed by that. It would be nice to see a consistent message sent across this site. But I am glad that we do see a lot of unretouched images of Zoe in her own videos etc. Perhaps a good starting point for this website would be a disclaimer noting when photoshopped images have been used. Lead by example.
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The cover is not as bad as the picture inside of her holding her boobs. Now I’m not opposed to nudity, or old ladies, power to them, but I hate the excessive airbrushing. The picture looks like the body of a 20 year old, in fact a 20 year old would be jealous. Is it her body? HELL NO! On the same day this came out, pictures of Elle at the beach were online. A younger woman, with a better body, Elle doesn’t even look as good as that picture of Deb. Its is utter crap and only makes women in their 50′s feel worse I imagine.
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Can I add – thank you everyone for leaving your comments. As always, I have learned a lot.
And I LOVE that many of you are even more fired up than me about photoshopping.
YAY FOR THAT.
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I have finally worked out what it is about photoshopping that bothers me so much: no freckles.
Not the slimming, lengthening, smoothing or softening.
It’s the complete absence of any natural skin markings, leaving an impossible golden blank canvas.
At age 33, I have freckles, moles, a sun spot, scars, pigmentation and everyday tan lines.
We all have a freckle or two, why shop them out?
Bring back the freckle, I say! And not just on faces, where they can be considered ‘cute’.
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“impossible golden blank canvas’
That’s a very good description.
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I agree, even models with red hair appear as if they have perfect, blank skin.
I’ve yet to meet a redhead without freckles.
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My hair is almost black and I’ve got freckles. I actually think freckles are cute, too.
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Ditto, very pale skin, blue eyes and very dark hair (classic celtic look). Got burned a handful of times in my 37 years, mostly when I was growing up in the UK. Spent the last decade or more covering up and wearing F30+ every day, but I still have them. I know they’re sun damage but for those of us with celtic complexions they are unavoidable. I’ve always been told they’re cute too.
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Did you ever notice that Nicole Kidman had all her delicious freckles removed? Sad.
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I like the way the Irish say it: ‘A girl without freckles is like a night without stars.’
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I’ll remember that one, how lovely. No wonder the Irish have a rep for the gift of the gab! Imagine being told that
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Great. so even at age 50 we are supposed to look ‘hot’. I dont want to see naked women on mag covers thanks. Dh has a lovely smile but when I walked past this poster at my newsagency I did a double take – looks like a 50 year old head with giant hair on a young woman’s body. Why dies she have to do that??? Is this the best women can be? Still?
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Hi, I had a quick read of this post and some of the comments last night. I was very tired and about to go to bed after a lovely and full on day with my 3 kids. I had actually later in the day been off to the spa to use some of my gift vouchers and treated my self to a spray tan. I am a 42 year old who has had 3 gorgeous kids and the obvious signs of that are on my body. Flabby skin on my stomach and stretched boobs!! I even found myself justifying to the lovely (young) girl doing the spray tan about my flabby tummy and apologising for it!!! She, bless her, was just lovely and said she didn’t understand why people would have tummy tucks etc, and agreed when i said its like a badge of honour having had my big beautiful, healthy babies. Anyway……… I read the post last night and found myself immediately disappointed, i was tired, but almost crying!! I have love love loved Mia since forever. I have bought her books, and ALWAYS supported her (even in my thoughts) when she has been criticised. I was just so disappointed because when the post started by saying she loved and loathed two magazine covers (and i agree, the WD one is disgusting and should be loathed) I was hoping against hope she wouldn’t “love” the WW one…. why? because yes, it just felt in such stark contrast to everything she’s said before, and i just see no justification in it. Yes, as most people have said in these comments, it is no doubt HEAVILY airbrushed, and it is an insult to all of us to suggest otherwise, but more than that, I just don’t get why she wrote what she did about Ricky lee, and then this!!!!!!!!!!! You’ve sold out Mia in this case, I’m devastated! You’ve replied to a couple of comments. It would be great if you could answer this one, how could you make the comments you did and the post about Ricky lee, and support Deborah Hutton? It concerns me on a huge scale, as Ricky lee IS a more vulnerable, younger girl, who would perhaps find your post harder to deal with than Deborah Hutton would have, who should realise what she’s done to the well being and confidence of many of us……….. and i just need to add….. Mia may say it’s because DH wasn’t a weight issue and RL was. But really, DH is rather svelte and not exactly a weighty person, yes RL has been talking about losing weight but i wholeheartedly think DH is on that cover too because her size looks pretty good. RL obviously felt good about herself as does DH. It just feels very hypocritical, and indeed shows how critical women can be of each other, Mia in fact doing this with DH over RL……
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Hi KJJ,
Glad your day yesterday was so good – please don’t let it be wrecked by my post!
I’ve read every comment on this post and they’ve made me think a lot about my original thoughts on the cover of Deb.
What I should have said was that airbrushing is always bad for women. The end. I suppose knowing Deborah, knowing why she posed for this shot, knowing who the audience was an what the objective was….that part of the cover I liked.
Here’s the main diff in my mind between DH and RL: I have never before seen a 50yo woman presented as being comfortable enough in her own skin to take off her clothes. For me, that shot had nothing to do with sex and certainly nothing to do with being hot for a guy – or thousands of strange guys.
With RL, there is virtually no other way that female pop stars are presented. They’re all ALWAYs nude and writhing around with a snake or a gun or a pole or a man.
So while seeing an image of a 50yo celebrating her body for herself (reading the story she wrote to go with the pictures is an important part of understanding the difference) is extremely unusual (don’t think I’ve ever seen it before), sadly, seeing a female popster without her gear on is depressingly common – in fact I’m struggling to think of a pop star who doesn’t have to do it to flog their records.
But all of this is my opinion. Clearly, this issue touches people in very different ways.
I can’t begin to try and speak on behalf of anyone but myself when it comes to body image. I will continue to speak out against what I perceive is wrong but you won’t always agree with me on every point.
But let me state yet again that while I like the idea of a 50yo woman of any shape or size celebrating her body, I wish wish wish it hadn’t been photoshopped and there is no excuse for that.
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But how come it is not okay to do it to “flog records”, but it’s ok to do it to flog a skincare range? You need to just admit that you don’t feel as harshly because it is your friend and it is that simple. Stop trying to justify your bias because it isn’t working Mia. People can see straight through it. No-one wants to take your opinion away from you, but just be honest about it.
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Mia, I had a lot of respect for you as a writer and social commentator but I’m sure your hypocrisy on this issue and your total refusal to try to understand what your readers are upset about is going to haunt you for a long, long time.
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A magazine that has a lot of older nudes is Playboy. Not always in a sexual way particularly. See Farrah Fawcett.
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I have never before seen a 50yo woman presented as being comfortable enough in her own skin to take off her clothes.
The problem here is that it wasn’t her own skin. If she had have been presented in her natural skin, blemishes and all your reader base wouldn’t have got so upset.
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I *do* enjoy your reading your posts Mia because they often make me think about things and they often have a lovely humanistic thread through them which makes my heart hum happily for a little while.
I guess it all comes down to the power of the printed word … sometimes the reaction is minimal and other times, it’s a raging bushfire.
I think I, and many, many women and men, have drawn hope from your strong stance on women and the promotion of healthy and realistic images for them. It was like a slap in the face with a cold fish to read your approval of the DH cover.
Anyhoo, venting on the site has allowed me to get rid of the fishy smell under my nose. I understand where you are coming from now, but, I’m not sure what to expect of you now. To me, *any* airbrushing moves us a million miles away from knowing what is real about the body and perpetuates that a person’s body is ugly if it isn’t flawless. It is intolerably insulting to me that the anyone continues to push these fake images out into the public arena without stating in bold capitals that they aren’t real but then applaud the incredible appearance of photographed person as if it was real. Pure, utter craziness. Not to mention that for women, the insult is doubly outrageous because, well, it’s all been said before …
It was encouraging to see the number of Emsters who cried BS on this one. It was encouraging that you engaged with us too Mia.
I don’t think you have to say you were wrong in saying that you enjoyed seeing your friend’s photo which to you meant that she had reached a happy place with her body. I don’t think it pushed any boundaries though … nude older women have been done ad infinitum. The photo represented a personal moment between you and her. It just does not work as a personal moment of joy for anyone else. It’s a magazine cover that was airbrushed to make sure that the magazine sold well. It’s a big sellout to a lot of people but not in terms of magazine sales.
Best wishes and thank you once again Mia xx
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Thanks Susan As Well. I’ve learned a lot from this post and the comments particularly. I didn’t express myself at all well. Thanks for understanding. Happy holidays. Xxxx
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Pop stars (female) who don’t ‘use sex’ or sexy images to sell records. Adele, Christina Perri, Jennifer Hudson, Taylor Swift, Carrie Underwood, Missy Higgins, Sarah Blasko, Kate Miller Heidke, Delta Goodrem, Kelly Clarkson, Zooey Deschanel, Megan Washington. Maybe one or two images exist of these women looking sexy (heaven forbid!) but it isn’t the overall way their image is presented. I hate the idea that it’s only modern pop stars…google Nancy Sinatra as a starting point. Sex has always sold.
Edit* Also Kimbra, Amanda Palmer, Lana Del Ray, Florence (Florence and the Machine) and Marina from Marina and the Diamonds.
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Except Susan Boyle, she’s out sold most of them
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I agree Mia. A year ago we all saw Ricki Lee on TV defending and embracing her size 14 body and then months later doing stories on her new slim figure. It seems even when we are trying to embrace different ideals we are lying to ourselves. Sad.
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I love the cover I am fifty next year and still wear make up colour my hair follow fashion
exercise eat well and no I don’t look like Deborah Hutton but I am not sick about it .I don’t buy cookbooks to look at photos of meals that look like my cooking and same goes for women’s magazines. The wd cover is bitchy trash .
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OK, can we stop worrying about Women’s Bodies for a moment? Because, this: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/google-and-ilk-cant-shirk-responsibility-for-ranters-20111229-1pe93.html
My heart goes out to Marieke Hardy.
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Wow! I think that’s worth a post to itself. Thanks, Nicki.
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It’s quite possible to worry about more than one thing simultaneously, but yeah – very disturbing.
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I find it really interesting that you’ve written an article on these magazine covers Mia!
I LOVE magazines, I love the glossy paper and guilty pleasure of laying in the sun flipping through. I don’t mind the body issues of January because to me it just serves as a little motivation and often I come across a good recipe or an idea for exercise. (reading in frankie recently about “no lights no Lycra” an exercise “craze” started by 2 women where you dance like an idiot in the dark to release energy!)
BUT I don’t normally buy them because to me it’s a luxury items and not many of those are affordable these days…anyway I was going away so really wanted a couple of mags to take with me. I saw these 2 magazines and the covers actually actively made me not choose them! Usually a cover doesn’t bother me I am sold by the little headlines on the side…or if it’s a favorite actor/singer etc but I’ve definitely never seen a cover before and thought “I don’t want to buy that” the Simone vs Liz one was just too ridiculous and I hope they’re having poor sales and rethinking that sort of article. And the AWW one, although im sure Deborah is gorgeous I just stared at for about 5 minutes thinking are we meant to believe this is what she looks like naked?! Inside it had small images of past covers Deborah has been on and she looked so different but oddly not in a “she’s aged now” way but the opposite! I just stared and stared and couldn’t work the cover out!
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Mia, progress (your word) would be putting a real life woman, 50yrs of age, with child bearing hips, cellulite, wrinkles, sun spots and floppy arms on the cover of AWW, not a clearly photoshopped image of Deborah Hutton who has been a cover girl for years, and many times over.
Progress would be putting a 30 yr old woman, who has just given birth, with her floppy belly, and sagging breasts, her tired eyes, and greasy hair from not being able to spare time for a shower, in between feeding her baby and worrying about the mortgage, on the cover of AWW.
Progress would be putting a 40 yr old woman, who has battled with her teenage children’s drug problems or bullying problems, and shows the signs of wear and worry on her ageing face, on the cover of AWW.
Because this type of real 40yr and 50yr old and this type of real 30 yr old, are way more beautiful than a photoshopped version of Deborah Hutton.
Why do you defend their decision and call it brave? It’s not brave, it’s making sure Helen McCabe gets her next pay packet, by following some outdated male boss’ idea of what women want to read. But I could almost guarantee that they would sell more copies by relating to real women.
Progress would be a magazine editor or a website owner showing and standing by what they “supposedly” believe in and standing up for the real women of Australia. That’s progress, not airbrushing a model who has appeared numerous times on a cover.
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Geez, if I just wanted to read about harassed mothers unloading their problems I’d just come to this site!
I for one don’t want to spend my hard earned on a magazine with interviews with women with a litany of problems. At times I do like to see how the other half live.
Your vision of the world sounds about as unbalanced as the mags you complain about!
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The women I described dont have a littany of problems. It’s called LIFE. I was describing situations which would cause stress to them, and make them appear different to a professional model. Your reluctance to not face these real life women is what is wrong with the whole debate over airbrushed/photoshopped women being used on covers and in adverts, and causing more women to dislike their bodies.
I’m saying that “progress” would be putting a real person on the cover of a magazine.
Simply, i am debating Mia’s version of the word she used “progress”.
But I guess you are one of these defenders that knock anyone who has a different opinion to Mia. I get that.
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Well your descriptions don’t match me and my life at all just like Deborah Hutton isn’t representative of womenkind either.
You can vote with your wallet, don’t buy the magazines – build your self esteem and learn to value yourself using a different value system.
And for your information, on 90% of issues I actually disagree with Mia on this site.
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Maybe progress would also be women standing up, as you say, voting with their wallets, and not buying into the body/look shaming? Only Deborah Hutton can look like Deborah Hutton. The only people it benefits to compare are the ones who make money from it.
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I’ve said it before & I’ll say it again – how can I boycott something I already don’t consume? I don’t buy AWW so my boycotting them wouldn’t change their circulation figures.
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Stop buying into the body shaming and encourage others to stop as well?
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I agreed with SJ’s sentiments about women like DH not being ‘real’ and have written something similar above. However, I also agree with you that I don’t want to pay for magazines to read about ordinary women’s lives (that’s what the internet is for). Personally I’d like to see more women who’ve actually achieved something worthwhile other than being conventionally pretty (another sarky ‘well done’ to them).
How about successful (or upcoming) sportswomen, after all there was a post on MM just a few weeks ago about the lack of awareness in womens sports and the fact that female athletes now have to run around in their undies for anyone to take any notice. How about we publicise more positive role models for our daughters?
Also, politicians, charity workers, scientists, civil rights campaigners from around the world – young and old. People with interesting and inspiring stories. People we’d like our daughters to look up to as role models, instead of women who are famous for having sex with some guy and making a video of it.
And NO photoshopping!
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To be fair, the Women’s Weekly does often have stories about women achieving in other arenas. The November (I think) one was a feature about Michelle Bridges, there have been profiles of a whole bunch of different women.
It’s pretty fluffy, I grant you, but those stories are there.
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But was she on the cover? If so that’s great, but it’s not the norm. Generally it’s conventional ‘beauties’ – models, actresses, singers, celebs, etc.
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Yep, she was. As mentioned before too, recently they have had Rebecca Gibney, Ita, Asher Keddie (in her mid 30s), Michelle Bridges (40ish). It’s not as if they ignore older women or focus on younger women.
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I read your comment the other day, and I have thought a lot on it the last couple of days. I tend often to write from the cuff and not think about what I am saying, which leads to really shoddy communication.
I get what you are saying, but it feels like you are saying that if someone doesnt fit your model of what a *real* 30/40/50 year old woman looks like, than they are not *real*. Its like the *real women have curves* mantra. What so thin women with a ruler body shape arent real? Its all in the language. Now, I know that you are not insinuating that a real woman has had problems in her life. This debate over real and not real is tired, and it is alienating and upsetting to so many women. I am 30 – and apparently I dont look it. I look younger apparently. I feel old. I feel really really really old after a long life already (im not going to go into it. ive revealed some on this site already) – but these lines arent on my face (YET!). what about a youthful looking 40 year old who made it big after living on the street. is it she less real because she doesnt wear her life story on her face?
What exactly is the criteria FOR real??? When are we going to stop placing these added pressures and restrictions on women and start just ACCEPTING? why is that so hard for us to do.
Why do we have to tear down women who are clearly happy and confident?? I honestly DONT UNDERSTAND.
As I say, I know you didnt necessarily mean this, but your language is so damaging.
Happy New Year xx
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Not at all.
I am debating, and I will say this once again, Mia’s idea of progress. I was giving an example. I would be happy for you and your young looking face to be shown on a magazine cover if it weren’t airbrushed. Because airbrushing IS NOT REAL LIFE.
Simple, really.
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I think its gorgeous. and I am featuring this article on my blog. It and the debate underneath is FAR too awesome not to share. I think Deborah looks gorgeous. Im not a fan of hers… I dont really know who she is or what she does to be fair. I believe in a womans right to choose what she does with her body – inside and out – without fear of shame and judgement. So she had a little retouching. Im with Mia on this – would i love it if she had had none? of course! probably more so! does it take away from this? no. Does it make me want to buy AWW. um, no, not really. I dont buy womens magazines. I prefer art ones…No issues of airbrushing in Juxtapoz!
But, what I think is awesome is she isnt featured naked (or close enough too) on the cover because she has lost weight, but rather because she is clearly confident and happy. And who gives a flying frig how old she is. Too much emphasis is put on age and how we should look at a certain age. WHO CARES. Are we really going to allow the media dictate how we should think and feel regarding such matters? Are we going to sit back and take it? If you are sitting there reading this thinking I look freaking awesome for me, then I applaud that. Thats how we should feel. Not allowing the media to dictate how we should feel. Personally, I am sitting here feeling sorry for myself covered in Hives and bloated like a whale from eating dairy – NOT looking my best. Had I had photos done today, i would have demanded airbrushing (or, rather, waited for the hives to eff off and die)
Look, the media bullies high profile personalities into looking certain ways. Do you really want to allow them to bully you? Vote with your wallets. Dont buy magazines that body shame. Dont buy magazines that run weightloss or anti-aging features if you are so against it. No more NWs or OKs! But really, Why Bully Mia? Why make negative comments about Ms. Hutton? It isnt really doing anything, and it certainly isnt making other women who may have body confidence feel amazing about the fact they do. It silences them, and THAT is just as unfair as body shaming. I applaud AWW. I would like to see more women grace covers looking happy and confident – and yes, less airbrushing would be great. But come on, its not like she had a Kardashian amount done.
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As much as these posts incite some heavy debate on here, I must say, what is consistent in comments such as these, to me, is how bloody smart MM readers and contributors are. I love youse guys!
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