A few weeks ago 30 students were suspended from St John’s College at the University of Sydney for their alleged role in a drinking game that went horribly wrong. They have been accused of taking part in a ritual which left a young woman in hospital with apparent alcohol poisoning. Zoe was part of the inaugural year of women students at St Johns in 2001, and these are her memories of College life.
“I don’t exactly remember the moment I realised life at St John’s College wasn’t for me. Maybe it was after witnessing the spectacle of flaming “man-ginas”, where brutish young Johnians would set alight their pubic hair in front of a bellowing, chanting crowd as some kind of test of their manhood. Maybe it was after watching the beautiful, heritage listed library being drowned in beer and then used as a slip ‘n’ slide as another drunken night in house got underway.
I hadn’t been exposed to bastardisation rituals before going to College, and thankfully, I haven’t been exposed to them since.
As a naïve 17 year old, I packed my bags and left home without looking back – excited to be accepted to St John’s in their first year of taking women students. I was also accepted into the only other co-ed College on campus, but took my chances on this unknown venture – knowing it would be tough, perhaps – but also a chance to be part of history.
Binge drinking was only part of the problem at St John’s, and certainly not unique to that College. Other friends on campus told me of their drinking rituals, which involved swimming the length of a pool, downing a shot of alcohol, then swimming another length before eating something disgusting – a raw egg, or a dry weetbix – the challenge was to see how long one could continue before vomiting. A former boss of mine was an Old Boy at another College, and gained the moniker “Toxic” – for the taste of his vomit. Not his judgement on contents of his stomach, but his fellow Collegiate mates who would drink enough to throw up, then taste each others sick. I’m sure their parents would be proud.
There was no doubt when I started as one of 30-something young women (all in our late teens) at St John’s we were resented and not appreciated by the ‘boys’. This is not to say some Johnians didn’t welcome our arrival: they did. Some of them became close friends and boyfriends. But the overt sexism was somewhat stifling and was part of the reason I left before my year was up.
Don’t get me wrong, I participated. I drank until I threw up and there are nights that are a fuzzy haze when I try and remember how I crawled home. But the endless drinking games, and pressure to be permanently wasted got boring and unimaginative. The culture of drinking, to be one of the boys, was constant. As were the overt attempts to make the women feel uncomfortable. Someone made the poor choice to keep our bathrooms unisex – fine in theory – but not great when you regularly walked in on one of your male collegiates emptying their bowels with the door of the cubicle wide open. It’s funny, I never saw a woman doing the same, or changing a tampon in the open. Let’s be honest: it would be unimaginable.
The morbid fascination with faeces seemed to extend beyond the toilet; on several occasions I found a turd sitting proudly in the middle of a shower cubicle – clearly it wasn’t put there by mistake. Or the hilarious ritual of boys pooing in each others shoes outside their bedroom doors in the dead of night – an hilarious surprise when you went to get ready the next day.
I had some lovely friends at St John’s: both men and women. But for me, I felt compelled to fit-in a culture that I didn’t sit comfortably with, and when I’d had enough of drinking myself to near-death or when I questioned the animalistic bathroom habits of my fellow Johnians I felt like I was the odd one out.
I don’t know the Rector at St John’s these days. But any attempt to clean up the culture of binge-drinking, to stop the harassment of young women, is a good thing in my opinion. It’s high time College life looked beyond the keg for a night’s entertainment and stopped the all-encompassing pressure that to have fun you have to be wasted.”
Zoe is a freelance journalist and voiceover artist. She works predominately in radio, dabbles in print, and can often be seen with a latte in one hand and a phone in the other. Find her on Twitter here.
Have you ever been involved in a drinking culture like this? Were your uni or school days anything like this?







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As a former college student, I’ve seen it all – parents would be shocked to see what is encouraged at colleges, especially in orientation weeks.
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I went to John XXIII College at the ANU and I don’t remember ever being referred to as a Johnian
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Poo, drinking, pranks, chants, nudie runs, crazy parties, sex, drug use- all completely normal and happens in colleges and life outside college…it is rape, assualt, violence, serious health repercussions and bullying that we are talkign about here…lets not get carried away….it is those issues -which are rare- that need to be addressed….by focusing on such trivial things you are actully being offensive to people who have experienced real trauma at college …including myself and a few friends…and these things are carried out by misogynistic men who have an engrained culture and closet of mateship surrounding them….do ur research…colleges, adfa, closed off institutions are always going to breed closed culturee….its aabout managing and changing this culture of which a minority are the perps…..the things i am talking about and/or have experienced are rape, being outcast for not sleeping with/sleeping with too many/’wrong’ people; actual harassement about sexuality/background/looks; social exclusion; mental bullying etc etc
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There are quite a few fundamental facts wrong here which may have been distorted by the length of time.
St. Andrew’s College was the one with the unwholesome interest in vomit, complete with their ‘vomit inspector’. Such behaviour has always been both disturbing and a mystery to everyone else at Usyd colleges.
Secondly, as a person who was present both pre- and post- co-residency, this faecal fascination only appeared after women were admitted. No one defecated in public areas beforehand. I have no idea why that was the case and I’m certainly not implying women were the culprits. Perhaps a child-like reaction to the very strict administration at the time- not unlike what we are seeing now?
Unfortunately the new media environment means that fact is a small hindrance for people to further their media careers. In real journalism articles should be sourced better than from memories 11 years after the event by someone who experienced an environment for less than 28 weeks.
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“A former boss of mine was an Old Boy at another College, and gained the moniker “Toxic” – for the taste of his vomit.”
key words: another College
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This is an experience that you had in 2001. Now in 2012, girls have been a part of St. Johns for 11 years and a lot has changed. There has even been a female HP of the college which was also historic. Adding girls to a formerly boys college is a big transition, and since your time, the college has changed significantly. To write this piece as if this is how the college is now, is uninformed and ridiculous. Is there drinking? Yes. It’s a part of the party/drinking culture of university, college, being 18, and to a greater extent, being Australian. Not solely a St. Johns culture. The experience of living at St. Johns goes way beyond getting drunk. I attended Johns in 2003 and then again from 2004-2006. They were undeniably the best years of my life and I wouldn’t trade them for the world. There are boys clubs in college, in business and in life – you deal with them, overcome them, and you learn from the experience. But your article really does no justice to the current state of male/female interactions at college and what it’s really like to live there.
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So brainwashed
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Good comment Ella. You seem very well informed and like you have a lot of first hand experience living at St. Johns. Or not.
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You cant get more informed than being raped there!
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Its soo gross. I am a current student of Syd Uni and thank God I don’t live on campus and I never would! Some of the stories I’ve heard are horrendous..I don’t drink and avoid all that nonsense.
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URGH! Do you know what all this whingey, princessy crap is getting you? A whole generation of kids who are going through life NEVER learning to have respect.
I went to a university, which was an old agricultural college, for four years. A lot of the traditions were very similar to the ones at St Johns.
And it was done in the name of fun!
Basically, as it is with all these traditions adhered to on such campuses, the first years were the lowest on the rung and had to (of course they could say no) abide by what the older students, namely third years, said.
Why? Because they knew about the college, it’s history and place in Australia, and they could keep us in line.
I experienced one of the biggest changes the college had experienced during my time there.
In my first year, this stuff could go on in the open, and everything was great. Yes, people got crazy drunk. Yes, there was spewing. Yes, there were slightly demeaning things you were asked to do. BUT YOU WERE NOT ALONE. It was done to everyone in the year.
It was a bonding experience, and it worked. We were banded together as a year, we were supported by our third years (who had a parenting role, really. They were cruel to be kind, but if anything was ever wrong, they were the first point of call).
By the second year, private investigators were on campus. By the third, all this stuff had to be done behind locked doors.
By the fourth year, people were being kicked off campus for having more that five people in a house (which housed 4), because that was evidence of non-academic misconduct. Um, what? We’re ADULTS.
Do you know what the result has been? By pushing these kinds of rituals underground, things started going wrong. People did get hurt, because they went to extreme lengths to hide this kind of stuff, which when it was out in the open, did not have the same repercussions.
And, instead of year groups that are united as one: tall, small, fat, skinny, Australian, Indian, German, American, smart, not-so-smart, funny, quiet, whatever, there are now groups of people who feel they have nobody to turn to.
The official reasons from authorities is that it is bullying and bastardisation. Wrong. It is about teaching respect. Respect for your seniors, respect for the college and respect for each other.
We are creating a generation of whingey sooks who think they deserve everything that want, but they shouldn’t have to work for it.
It’s going to be one hell of a shock for these people who are given medals even if they come last in a race at school, treated like poor wounded puppies at university and handed everything on a silver platter.
Because the reality is that there are winners and losers in life. You can’t always get what you want. You are no better than that person sitting next to you. You don’t deserve a pay rise for doing nothing. And you need to be strong enough to handle tough situations in work, life and the world.
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I doubt very much I’d learn respect by being coerced into degrading rituals involving bodily functions.
Fear, maybe. Respect? Not so much.
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Whaaat?? How do rituals of drinking to the point of vomiting or alcohol poisoning, doing disgusting things like eating each other’s vomit and leaving poo in showers and outside doors build respect?? These colleges are also rife with sexual assault, kids ending up in hospital with injuries or alcohol related illness and bullying. I think its pathetic and incredibly stupid to participate in any of these ‘rituals’. I am a 22 year old student at Sydney Uni who moved from interstate but lives off campus to avoid this kind of culture. I have zero respect for anyone who behaves like this and I don’t see who would outside the college environment.
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If you’re studying law (or plan to go into finance or anything high-end corporate) read The Pinstriped Prison. These disgusting frat boy arseholes are the ones who end up running top tier firms, and to an extent that culture continues. It’s horrifying.
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Actually, defecating in people’s shoes or in the shower cubicle, drinking regularly to the point vomiting/unconsciousness, and degrading rituals demonstrate anything but adult behaviour.
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Miss B, if your college had those traditions & produces attitudes such as yours, I would prefer to avoid people who had any association with it whatsoever.
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I totally agree with you, Miss B. My uni was the same as yours and the one pictured in the article. These activities will go on whether they are allowed or not. Forcing it underground will not make it stop. Things like ‘zero tolerance’ never work. A few years ago they banned pub runs at my uni but you can bet your life that groups of students are still pub crawling, just without any supervisors.
Traditions gave the dorms a legacy and helped students to feel some belonging. As silly as it may sound to an adult, a night out with no inhibitions and full of funny stories help band a dorm together and make them feel like a family rather than a bunch of strangers thrown together. Things do get out of hand but you need to put things in place to stop the worst case scenario becoming a reality. All the Residential Advisors had first aid training, there was campus security, RAs on duty every night. As an RA in my third year, I found it was much better to know what the students were getting up to and who was drinking when and taking what drugs than to impose a zero tolerance idea that would never work.
Getting the dorm to bond means they will always look out for each other. Uni, for me, was a safe environment for people to get blind drunk. You always knew that one of your dormies or RAs would make sure you got home safe. It’s just the way it goes, someone will always have your back. It is something I definitely don’t feel in the streets of Sydney.
Uni was a way for me to let loose. I now know how alcohol affects me and how much I can handle. I know how to be an integral part of a community. I know how to deal and live with a range of personalities. And while the boys club misogyny can be a little depressing, I found that being in this environment I began to understand how it manifested and the best way to deal with it and ultimately stop it from happening. I learnt much more in the dorms that I ever did in the lecture halls.
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Yes yes RA’s are great arent they…really helpful, powerful, able to deal with the stuff that goes on….thats until an RA gets raped…thats “a little depressing”….but i guess that was just “dorm bonding”
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I think the verbal emotional, sexual and physical abuse that permeated life at St Andrew’s college in the 1970′s is well known. The “grin and bear it” has caused many life long medical problems for some people. I know of freshmen (“freshers”)who toutured. I had the experience of being order out of my room by CE (who is now a barrister) while he pointed a loaded riffle at myself and others. I could go on and on ….
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Hi ‘A’ yes correct Pembroke. Very multicultural. I think some people also need to remember that not all private school children automatically come from priviledged rich backgrounds. Many parents work second jobs and make sacrifices to send their child/children to these schools. I know my husband and I both work very hard to send our son to Pulteney Grammer, and one of the reasons I love this school is because of the multiculturism, other parents just like us who are down to earth and work hard . I also love the focus on social, emotional and ethical intelligence not just purely academic. And while this is considered an elite private school, it is also the morals and values we instil in our son at home that I hope will never see him emulate the repulsive behaviour as outlined in Zoe’s article. Harmless normal teenage behaviour is inevitable but what was described above is purely anamilistic and repulsive. I would be so disappointed if my son ever stooped to that level.
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Thought as much! I went there too
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I have heard many stories about this kind of thing over the years, so I’m not surprised.
I lived at the residential halls at Monash University for 3 years from 2003 and I never saw nor experienced any kind of harassment. There was definitely a drinking culture, but I always felt that people looked out for each other. There were plenty of people who didn’t engage in partying so there were always other alternatives. The problems I saw were caused by students learning how much they could handle the hard way, alcohol wise.
I think my experience was so positive because the residential halls, as opposed to a college, didn’t have that entrenched boys culture behind them. I’m grateful that I ended up in halls and not a college at a different university. Hearing these stories makes me shudder.
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I’m living at the halls at Monash this year (Deakin, actually) and I’ve experienced the same so far. Yes, there is a drinking culture, but it’s opt-in, not opt-out. Everyone takes care of you, if you’ve had too much they’ll put you to bed. Yes there are drinking games, but the worst you have to do is skull a drink, nothing like that. So much nicer than traditional college – it proves you can live on University premises without being unsafe or harrassed.
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I don’t have any experience of living at a university college. But I did law at UWA in the late 90s/early 2000′s and the attitudes of the guys in the law student society there were disgusting.
When signing up freshers to the society, the guys would mark the registration list with asterixes next to all the “hot” girls, who would then be emailed and asked to attend special events which were purely designed to provide the senior guys with an opportunity to pick up. And when they did, a ratings system would apply.
Social functions were aimed to get the fresher girls as drunk as possible so that the guys could pick up. As a final year student I went to the annual law school bush camp. So many times I saw guys leading girls into the bushes for “fun times” who were so trashed they could barely stand up (and there were tales of guys having sex with girls while the girls were still vomiting).
What’s sad is that the girls seem to buy into it, and participate to try and be popular. If there are any girls reading this that are currently in law school at UWA (or anywhere else in WA), the legal community is a small place. That final year guy who you are snogging at the courtyard show (and who will probably talk trash about you to all his friends) may well be a senior associate in the law firm you start out in as a grad. Awkward.
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I am a law student at UWA… sadly things haven’t changed very much. Sneaking out for threesomes at Matilda Bay during late night exam study binges in the law library is just one rumour making the rounds.
That said, I have met a wonderful group of people through uni and we all choose to distance ourselves from such stupid behaviour.
Thankfully, as of this year, the law school no longer accepts “freshers”… students now have to complete an undergrad degree before starting a post-grad in law.
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I lived in college at my uni for four years and loved it. There was a drinking culture, though not this extreme. The thing that bothered me though was the undercurrent of sexual innuendo and an atmosphere that turned a blind eye to sexual harassment. If a popular guy harassed a girl, no one would believe her. Several girls found themselves with reputations as “sluts” – without having had sex with anyone. It seems to me, fairly or unfairly, that if girls enter this kind of environment, they need to be more careful than the blokes. Young blokes in close proximity to other young blokes develop a pack mentality. Look at footballers. I don’t think it’s to do with wealthy backgrounds and/or intelligence. Just look at the trouble footballers get themselves into. It seems to be an age and a Y chromosome thing!
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It’s interesting to me that in our culture there seems to be a stereotype that predatory and antisocial behaviour is the domain of teens from lower socioeconomic backgrounds. In my own experience, the most appalling, nasty pack behaviour has been displayed by private-school educated sons of privilege. This article supports that and I’m not remotely surprised. Zoe, I’m sorry you had to go through that and I admire your coming forward about it.
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That is exactly what I was thinking reading through these comments.
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Does one sense a chip on the shoulder ‘sipper’? A very defensive tone and judgemental response. I certainly do not think all privately educated students should be slotted into the box of immature behavior. I went to a prestigious private school in Adelaide, lots of ‘non Anglo’ students attended, children of Asian, Indian, German and Aboriginal descent. Multiculturism is not the sole domain of public schools just for the record. Further the comment about ‘partnering up with their approved tribe’ is just an ignorant and unintelligent statement. I think insecurities about your own life shine through in your comments, might want to research your facts before making such sweeping statements in the future.
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Pembroke by any chance?
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Wow this article has really opened my eyes. I went to uni although I lived at home for part of it, and rented for part of it so never lived at college.
During my uni days there were uni balls, o’week activities, club nights etc. Yes, a lot of them involved drinking until we threw up and other stupid drinking games. This aspect doesn’t surprise me at all. However, the obsession with faeces and the sexism?! WTF?! None of the guys I hung out with in my uni days, despite being young, were EVER this classless and I knew a few people who lived on campus. I can’t believe grown men would consider shitting in the shower and shitting in each other’s shoes. Yes, they are young 18-21 year olds but these are young ADULTs and this is behaviour I would expect from a young toddler.
I don’t blame the author for wanting out, I wouldnt be able to handle this either.
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I went to St Andrews college at Sydney University and what you describe above is exactly the way I experienced college. Binge drinking was an ingrained culture and encouraged, nudity was a given and the initiation process of Freshers was a huge part of college.
For the most part, I loved my college days, genrally fun and full of debachery. I also made some of my best friends there. Yes, many of the students had wealthy parents and were from the private schools but not everyone. I know that at St Andrews, there was a deliberate attempt in recent years to bring in students from a variety of backgrounds.
The sexism openly encouraged at college, was terrible though. I was in the third (?) year of women through so females were a minority. Many of the boys and ‘old boys’ openly resented the college becoming co-ed and I think this in a way contributed to the sexist treatment of women. Men were encouraged to get the girls so drunk so they could sleep with them and any female deemed ‘unattractive’ or ‘not someone to hook up with’ was talked about and treated badly (by some but not all the guys).
Men were encouraged to ‘use’ women but not have girlfriends and I know more than one case of date rape. Looking back it saddens me, but many of the women (I think even myself) helped to perpetuate this sexism by partaking in everything and also by sleeping around. In a way there was pressure to go along with everything or risk being ridiculed yourself.
That being said the college treated sexual harrassment very, very seriously and if anything was reported it was dealt with appropriatley.
One thing that sticks in my mind is the weekly newsletter that would discuss the weekly occurances at college. The newsletter usually was written by the senior students and incuded a column slagging people (mostly female). It reported all the ‘hook ups’ that had happened but in hurtful code names such as ‘blonde, saggy tits was caught banging a man known well for his size’- it was like a guess who but everyone knew.
The SMH artical about Johns college i felt was accurate yet exaggerated. It mentioned what we at St Andrews call ‘walkabout’ where as part of Fresher initiation students were dropped in the bush in small groups, blind drunk and half naked. Yes, this happened but you opted whether to partake or
not- many chose not too. I didn’t go although kinda wish I did as everyone thought it was the most fun ever! SMH also mentioned carrying bricks around for the first week of uni- yes we ‘had’ to do this whilst wearing our academic gowns but it was a laugh and actually helped you make friends in the first week cause yiou would link up with other St Andrews students and all complain together- it was fun!!
Anyway, despite it all I have many memorable moments of my time there and wouldnt change it for the world…..
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My residential college in Adelaide in the 90s was just like this. I barely lasted the year out.
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I was a resident at Fenner Hall at the ANU for three years, and I never encountered behaviour like that described above. Maybe it had something to do with the fact that Fenner is actually off the main campus, or that being a self catered college we tend to see less typical frat house behaviour, but it was a great atmosphere. We had heaps of international students, put on great musicals every year, had loads of partying but a mainly collegiate atmosphere and I never once felt unsafe or uncomfortable. We had three communal bathrooms on each floor; one mens, one womens, and one unisex. In my three years there the only time they ever sustained any damage was when there was a particularly nasty bout of gastro doing the rounds, and thankfully that didn’t last very long. Overall, my college experience was great and if any of my kids decided they wanted to go to the ANU I would fight tooth and nail to to get them a place at Fenner.
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Agreed. I lived on campus at ANU for 3 years.. and was good friends with people from numerous colleges, Fenner being one. Fantastic culture.. and yes drinking plays a big part for some. But there’s a place for everyone. I miss my time there greatly!
Another point – Sydney uni has a large percentage of undergraduate courses each year, as ANU / Melbourne uni etc, have large percentages of postgraduate students too. This would effect university culture to some degree..
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i’m a member of one of the more elitest of the sydney colleges, and apart of that WASP son of elite group you are talking about, one of these kids, http://www.smh.com.au/executive-style/culture/blogs/all-men-are-liars/privileged-little-shit-20120315-1v4cm.html.
And i can tell you that they are all snobs and elite and games such as playing spotto when you see an asian or black person on residential campus is common, and yes they are filled with lost boys who just like to party, but is that a bad thing? at the supposed ‘Rape” college after three years i’ve never encountered any allegations or rumours of rape.
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Ahhh colleges. Mainly where the rich farmers and city lawyers/doctors send their kiddies for a bit of indoctrination and the hope they will partner up after uni with one of the approved tribe. Very Anglo, very Christian always has been. College parties when i was at uni where just extensions of immature private school behaviour and I am sure have not changed much. when anyone who lasted at a college more than a couple of terms was seen as a total looser. Probably many of them are now well repsrsented in large law firms.
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Sorry, my parents are neither doctors, lawyers or rich farmers but when I was accepted to a uni not in my home town they happily paid for me to live at a self catered college with a bunch of very non anglo students from India, China, Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Malaysia, South Africa, the UK (okay some anglos there) Pakistan and the UAE. And a bunch of other kids from around Australia, most of whom paid their fees straight out of their Aus Study payments and got part time jobs to support themselves.
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My parents were neither of these. In fact, when I started college, my dad couldn’t work because he had cancer and then he died, and my Mum worked as a cleaner to pay the bills. In fact, I actually had to get a scholarship from the college to actually live there.
I travelled from FNQ to Brisbane and there was no-one living at my college who lived in Brisbane as college was for people who were not from Brisbane and needed somewhere to live when attending uni.
So please don’t lump everyone into the category you have outlined.
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Me too…. mildly offended. My parents were very working class and took in a border to pay my college fees.
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Agree – it would be lovely to have places in colleges reserved for those who don’t live in commuting distance of uni but that is just not the case in Sydney where places seem to be taken up by ppl who can’t be bothered commuting and can afford to live at college, or international students. NO places for interstate or country NSW students who have no other choice. The situation is a joke.
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I don’t think it’s about perceived social status, Sipper. I think it’s about immaturity and the way that young men behave in groups. They do seem to develop a pack mentality that is quite different to they way girls behave. I suspect that the solution to the problem may lie in segregating the sexes in colleges again. It may not be a popular opinion to hold, but I think it’s a more achievable solution to standing around saying that girls “ought” to be allowed into male colleges… Yes, they probably ought, but do you want to cling to the moral high ground, or do you want to stop girls suffering the consequences of this kind of behaviour. From my experience, boys like this grow out of it. And really? What’s truly all that wrong with lawyers? It’s a supply/demand relationship, like every other industry. Let’s not get chippy about it. What about the college boys who grow up to be cranio-facial surgeons doing pro bono work in third world countries (yes, like a bloke from my college)?
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Gotta agree with Sipper. Having been to USyd there are about 40,000 students and 1,000 college places. The only people who go to colleges have daddies who went there. They’re barristers, doctors, judges or politicians. In all my time there, I never met a college boy or girl who wasn’t wealthy, private school educated and Anglo. Maybe it’s different at other universities, but not Sydney.
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Sipper. I think you presenting a very accurate description of Sydney Uni College life but not necessarily the various other colleges around NSW/Australia!
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I’m a university lecturer and I absolutely HATE the college culture on campus. I would NEVER want one of my own children to live in one of the Uni colleges. It is much worse than the ordinary Uni culture of the students who live at home or elsewhere off campus. The attitudes, the behavior, the sense of entitlement, the sexism, the harassment, the privilege, the misogyny – it’s disgusting! The colleges regularly have dinners to which academics are invited, but I no longer accept – I’ve seen more than I want to of the colleges. To those who say that it is normal student behavior, I have to disagree – rape, defecation as entertainment, intimidation, forced drinking? Nothing normal there…
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Lived in a residential collage at Melb Uni in the late 80′s. Yes there was a lot of drinking and smoking of questionable ciggies but the difference I can see is that we were there to learn – places at Uni were nowhere near as easy to get then. Now with many more Uni campuses available, and many more people going to Uni it is possible for many students to live at home and study. With money in your pocket from a part time job and no need to travel far you can afford to have a reasonable alcohol and drug habit too.
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While I do no for a minute condone what happened, I would like to say that not all colleges are like this.
I lived one of the colleges at the University of Queensland for two years and it was quite easily the best two years I could have asked for. My best friends are those that I met in my first year of college. And there were so many opportunities to get involved in so different cultural, sporting, artistic, social, community minded events and activities.
Yes, there was a lot of drinking but I can assure you, not everything is focussed on that. To me, college was a very special time in my life where I had an absolute blast living in an environment which bred loyalty, comaraderie, diversity and a bond like no other.
Things did get out of hand from time to time, but that could happen in any situation.
Don’t knock college until you’ve tried it. We’re not all booze fuelled idiots.
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Me to, I lived at one of the girls colleges at UQ, as being from out of town I wanted to make friends easily.
Yes there was drinking but it was no worse than te drinking that happened at non college parties. At least I know I had 140 girls all looking out for you and if anyone did take it too far one of us would gladly help them out and take them home.
Boys are always going to be feral at that age unfortunately, and again I didn’t witness anything from college that I didn’t see non college boys doing too!
This is another case of lumping everyone who attends college into the same bag.
Some rotten eggs but the majority are all lovely people. All my college friends come from such different family backgrounds and I made friends for life!!
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I worked as a cleaner at UQ in 2002-03 from midnight to 6am. Some of the stuff I saw really shocked me. I come from a very working class background and grew up in fairly low socio-economic neighborhoods but no-one I know would behave the way some of the students were behaving . I was in my early 20′s at the time so about the same age as many of the students. It made me really quite angry because I would get looked down on and my friends too for the way we looked and where we lived but we would never behave the way some of the students I saw were behaving.
Also there are no ‘boys’ at uni (at least not after the first few months), they are men. Over 18 = young man
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Alcohol is not a very sophisticated mind-altering drug. It’s really just one step up from ether: mind-numbing – especially in large doses.
There are much more interesting ways to manipulate consciousness through psychotropic chemicals. Some have been known to humanity for many thousands of years. Unfortunately, most of them are illegal in our society. Students caught indulging could face expulsion – simply for the act of possession, not for any bad behaviour.
Ultimately schools and colleges reflect the culture as a whole. As a whole, we have chosen (or been manipulated) into regulation and management of mind-altering substances that’s irrational, puerile, intolerant, bigoted and plain foolish.
How unsurprising that the behaviour of our teenagers reflects this.
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Great piece Zoe – thanks for sharing
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i worked in sexual harassment at a university and some residential colleges were horrific, men pooing and weeing under women’s doors, death threats, sword fights (use your imagination) on women’s beds whilst sleeping, college theme songs about rape in the sporting groups…one of the worse things was that the college head would constantly refer to offenders as ‘boys’ when they were in fact, adult men committing sexual harassment and other illegal activities.
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I lived on campus at a women’s college and was always horrified by the college head consistently referring to the rampant nudity, destruction and animalism of (some of) the college men as “youthful exuberance”. This was applied to numerous incidents of a really serious nature (quite aside from the sexual politics and revolting obsession with faeces) – for example, theft of antique furniture, using the fire hose to saturate two residential floors, ripping a toilet out of the bathroom at a function. Just defies belief really, that anyone could think this is justified.
The college addressing this behaviour in an uncompromising way is long overdue. It seems a shame that the head of Johns college is attracting criticism for his treatment of staff within the college. Undermines his credibility somewhat.
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I’m glad I didn’t live at uni. I never saw any of this. We had a few parties, usually off campus at someone’s house (usually those that had their own house like myself), but nothing like this. I was a single parent of course, so I wouldn’t have been able to act like this even if I’d wanted, but we didn’t even have on campus accommodation. We only had off campus units.
The hazing and drinking “games” seem very similar to that done by US college students. A lot of hazing is done in order to get into frats or sororities, which is pointless enough, but why is it done here?
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College kids are a breed of their own.
I am a normal live-at-home uni student but I have plenty of friends at college.
A guy friend of mine asked me to be his date to his college ball one year. It was fun. But the morning after everyone met at ‘recovery’. I was told everyone keeps drinking the next day… Cool. Gross, but I can deal with that.
What I couldn’t deal with is the fact that everyone adds food colour dye to their drinks and SPITS it all over each other. By the time the 5th random kid came up to me and SPAT their dry on me within a 5 minute period I sat in a corner and cried.
I’ve never felt so violated, disgusting or disturbed in my entire life.
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Oh good grief I remember them. I went to 1 in my two years at college and that was it.
I do not do well being near alcohol the next day after a big night out. I did not care if everyone called me ‘soft’, I just stayed in my room and ate chips and watched TV shows!
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Every college that I know is like this. I live in QLD and some of my best friends lived on campus at the University of Queensland so ive heard many a story. One of my closest friends only lasted a year and moved out to a house a few streets away just because he couldnt get any study done becasue of the constant “party atmosphere”
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Well it makes ADFA look pretty tame
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Oh, I thought it came out that she wasn’t allergic to alcohol, but that someone had laced her “punishment” drink with shampoo and that’s why she ended up in hospital. The alcohol allergy story was one that was spread around by some of the college kids to try and make her take some of the blame – i.e. “she knew she was allergic, she should have just said no”
The shampoo thing takes it to a whole new level – it’s basically poisoning someone.
I thought I read it in the SMH on the weekend but can’t find the link. Does this ring any bells for anyone else?
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Yes, that was the case
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http://www.smh.com.au/national/tertiary-education/inside-a-uni-drinking-scandal-20120317-1vc26.html
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Thanks!
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i thought st johns was all-boys again? aren’t the co-ed colleges st andrews and wesley?
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No Johns is co-ed. Womens, Sancta and Pauls are the only single sex colleges at usyd now : )
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well I LOVE Southern Cross Univeristy
there is a real community atmosphere, a fair percentage of ‘mature age students’ who have their own children and are past the binge-drinking-is-awesome-fun stage. And the university social functions tend to be fantastic fun without the need for alcohol poisoning. And this is at the Gold Coast!
of course, there isn’t any on-campus living, which could make the difference.
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I was a college kid at a co-ed usyd college for three years (fresher in 2008), and I was a resident assistant in the final year.
I was quite ‘innocent’ when I went to oweek, which was a big eye opener. However, it was nowhere near as disgusting/extreme as Zoe has written. I imagine that is because my college has been co-ed for much longer than when she had her experience at Johnnies.
In my three years I never experienced or witnessed the forced consumption of alcohol, extreme sexism or ridiculous hazing rituals, which seem to always be in the headlines. My college was not tame, but the students were largely good people and knew who could handle what. Not all colleges are as evil as made out in the media. From my experience I would suggest that every year a few bad eggs trick their way in to each college, and then it takes a little while for their real intentions to be known and increasingly they appear to be getting expelled/suspended soon after.
The biggest problems I witnessed whilst I was an RA and a student were the following:
- Freshers new to drinking not knowing their boundaries and ending up in dangerous situations;
- Boys club binding together so that the real culprit of a situation is not clear (i.e. what appears to have happened at Johns oweek this year);
- Experimentation with drugs. In particular, the delays which resulted if someone got injured and their friends didn’t want to get in to trouble so they didn’t seek help; and,
- ‘Young men’ assuming that because they live and party in the same place as girls that they automatically should get sex after spending some time with one.
I am not going to lie, at times the people (boys AND girls) did things that I could not believe and still cannot comprehend years later. To me, being drunk NEVER excuses pulling apart whole bathrooms, smashing holes in original wooden doors with your foot (or a javelin!) or peeing in a communal shower.
However, my college experience was fantastic. I have made some amazing friends I wouldn’t have met and remember my college years so fondly. It is for these reasons that I didn’t hesitate when my sibling decided they wanted to go there too. [I did give them a bit of a pep talk beforehand though, because sometimes in oweek it is hard to tell what is compulsory and what is not (clue: whatever you feel comfortable with).]
All that being said, I really feel for people who do have a bad experience at college, and I can see how it happens.
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Ok, to me “the students were largely good people and knew who could handle what” and “Experimentation with drugs. In particular, the delays which resulted if someone got injured and their friends didn’t want to get in to trouble so they didn’t seek help; and,
- ‘Young men’ assuming that because they live and party in the same place as girls that they automatically should get sex after spending some time with one.” do not equate.
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I understand that. I tried to explain as best as I could, but I think sometimes you need to experience something to understand. These werent all day every day issues rather instances throughout three years. I think in particular the drugs one is more of a general issue of young people, because i know situations where this has happened in a non-college environemnt to non-college people. I only mentioned it here because it left quite an impact on me as an RA. At the end of the day there were jerks and idiots at college but they were definitely a minority and very very very rarely in a position of power.
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Some of the stuff written in this article and these comments are disgusting! How feral. But as another commenter has written below, I do believe that a lot of this is linked with ‘College’ partying, not your average Uni student.
The average student definitely doesn’t do this kind of stuff. I hang around at the “Queer Lounge” at my Uni and am the token straight girl, so the boys and I tend to get goon or vodka and dance around to Lady Gaga and go out. Sometimes. This really doesn’t even happen all that often. Even now, looking at my old high school friends at University, I don’t think any of them drink to the extreme like this.
But I guess that is what happens when you get a whole bunch of kids living close together. Without parental supervision…
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Standards of integrity and decency should be the norm across society. Either adhere to them or get out. They should have been expelled. I’m so sick of hearing about appalling behaviour and people turning a blind eye to it. And I’m heartily sick of my tax dollars being abused. Maybe if people paid for things themselves they might think twice about losing the privilege.
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Sounds very similar to UWS hawkesbury back in the mid to late 90′s. The binge drinking every night, but especially Thursday nights. The boys were known to take off their pants, wedge a length of toilet paper into their bum crack, light the end and see how many times you can run around the quad before burning your ass. They had to make a rule that you couldn’t ask your Mott for sexual favours. Had 2 female friends who were in the car with 3 male friends, when the guys drove them to a secluded spot and demanded head jobs. Or the friend who was raped by a rugby boy on a drunken Thursday night, on Friday night her room was broken into while she slept by most of the team who then warned her that if she told anyone they would all rape her, they then ranked over her and spat on her. The “aids web” the public board with lines showing who had slept with whom… And the horror story that I did not witness but had apparently happened a few years earlier- the boys dug a pit for a B&S Ball, they all then pissed it in. They’d then girls they considered ugly to go near it and push them in, so that when they were drunk they would know not to fuck the ugly chicks because they smelt like pee.
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Ugh..sounds awful!!
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speechless
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Glad to see my uni can be just as bad as the ‘Proper’ universities *eye roll*
Disgusting
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A bunch of 18 year olds are thrown together without parents and free of the constraints of high school – of course they’re going to do stupid things! I’m not sure if its even possible to rid colleges of binge-drinking, pranks, initiation rituals etc etc – that’s part of their attraction!
I think suspending 30 students is a bit extreme …
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How disturbing. I don’t blame you Zoe for not lasting the year, I don’t think i’d last a week.
I went to Macquarie Uni (on campus) and although not nearly as extreme as St Johns, there was a strong drinking culture that would exclude those who didn’t partake. It was hard to make friends if you didn’t get involved in the social activities.
Most of my college friends were able to leave it behind but I know of two people who’ve been at uni for seven or eight years now because they can’t give up the weeknight partying.
The issue in my mind is that mob mentality that pressures young people into harming their health. Definitely worthy of more media attention.
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Even in workplace situations, if you don’t drink or participate in Friday night drinks, you can feel pretty excluded.
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What i love about the lead of this story the 30 people being suspended (most of them are back in) is that the girl took 10 shots of vodka to try and make herself vomit and didn’t let anyone know that she was allergic to alcohol..
As a college student we are victimised and scrutinised for our “excessive” drinking behaviour, but we are 18-21 everyone is drinking that much! It’s called being young! As a leader on o-week there were water options for those who didn’t want to drink.
The Sydney based media just likes to rip into the colleges because it is easy to comment on the privileged children who are clearly both wealthy and intelligent to be accepted into these usyd colleges.
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When I was at college, no-one I went to uni with drank as much as we did at college. Yes, they drank a lot, but no-one I personally knew drank anything near what college kids did. Just my experience though, everyone’s is different.
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Agreed. No one could touch a college student for the regularity and intensity. The only groups that came close were certain sports teams on campus.
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I’m 22 years old, and a uni student, and no, everyone is not “drinking that much”. It’s stupid and irresponsible and most of all-dangerous. It shouldn’t be the norm.
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i’m sorry that i made a generalisation, but other students are drinking that much, especially those from the similar backgrounds to the college kids. If their drinking is harmless (aka their actions isn’t hurting anyone) what is wrong with them having fun. In America and UK it is the norm for kids to go away to residential colleges and drink this much (i’ve been on exchange to both and what goes on there puts us to shame)
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actually she did tell them she was allergic. they assumed she was faking.
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and what is the water option, exactly???
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I just hope to get it across, before this debate takes off, that St. John’s is the extreme.
I went to res college at Melb Uni, only a handful of years after the writer, one of the largest and more ‘out there’ and no way were things like this common – I’m talking about setting pubic hair alight, pooing in shoes etc. Binge drinking, eating gross (safe) things, sexism (but not as bad as described) yes. Not totally standing up for colleges, just really frustrated that one clearly extreme college is being spoken of as if it represents them all. Clearly this college has an issue.
I knew people across about 10 different colleges and everything reported was nowhere near this level. Either this is a Sydney Uni thing (other syd uni colleges have been in the news for similar) or specific to this college. College culture ain’t great sometimes, but this is just not representative.
On the whole college was an amazing experience. This college just sounds messed up.
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I loved my uni but I would say that it was just as extreme as the way the writer portrays her experiences (finished 2009).
One girl opened her room to find a boy had rubbed poo all through her stuff and all over her room. Guys used to poo in sinks and washing machines. There was also a story floating around that in one residence some people had taken butter out of the container taken a dump in the bottom of the container and then replaced the butter on top and put it back in the fridge for unsuspecting people to continue using it.
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With all due respect Guest, every college ive known about is like St Johns…..
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I’m really interested to know if this was Sydney? Across Melb Uni since the early 2000′s there have been steps to reform. Lots of bad stuff still happens, no doubt, but not like what is being described at Sydney colleges. Also in Melbourne the colleges have been co-ed for much longer.
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I agree. I lived on campus at uni around 10 years ago, and had the time of my life! I made a great bunch of friends who I remain friends with now. There was alcohol, fancy dress parties and pranks, but nothing scary and no random poos!
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Zoe – you’re talking about residential colleges aren’t you, not uni in itself? In my experience, the residential college culture (with particular regard to drinking) is much much more full on than the uni drinking culture itself.
I went to college for 2 years (8 years ago now) and I loved it at the time. Mind you, I experienced nothing like you did Jo! I heard some horror stories, but it was never my personal experience.
Now I just think of it as being a time when I drank and partied constantly, which did not set me up for good stead with study habits with the remaining three years of study! Lots of people made friends they’ll have for life, but I drifted away from my college friends. The culture sort of continued post college and I wasn’t that interested anymore!
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Reading your story and hearing the recent news of a young woman from the College now in hospital just makes me sad. It also makes me so surprised that it took so long for the College to start accepting women – in 2001!! Talk about the delay in catching up! Now it just needs to focus on making a more women-friendly environment or at least an environment where young people (both men and women) can feel safe. Peer pressure is a b*tch and it sounds like there’s an intense history (and maybe even called a tradition) of an ‘exclusive binge drinking club’ run by a ‘boy club’ that’s in a desperate need of change.
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My uni was also a wash of binge drinking and sexism and misplaced turds. There was apparently more of a tilt towards female students but nevertheless the inherent ‘boys club’ was very strong.
If you didn’t want to get wasted on most nights of the week you were considered weird. One mentality I had trouble drilling out of boys was the idea that if you couldn’t afford to drink, your night wouldn’t be fun and you may as well not go out. It was so hard for them not to equate fun with being drunk.
What I can’t stand is the double standard that happens when society views a drunk girl and a drunk guy. For a female to get plastered, she often loses respect yet for a guy it’s a badge of honour.
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