It’s been hailed as the adult version of Twilight, described as ‘mummy porn’ and is at the top of the New York Times e-book fiction bestseller list.
Fifty Shades of Grey by E. L. James is the newest trilogy everyone is talking about.
The erotic novel is about a 27-year-old billionaire, Christian Grey, who seduces college student Anastasia Steele and trains her to become his submissive sex slave. A subject matter that sounds unlikely to be popular in a post-feminist world, has female readers unable to put it down.
Mia chatted to Karl Stefanovic about Fifty Shades on The Today Show. Here’s the clip:
A segment on the US The Today Show shows professional women talking about the novel and discussing how they actually want a man to take control (or dominate) in the bedroom.
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American Sexologist, Dr. Logan Levkoff also appeared on the show to talk about the BDSM aspects of the novel, which segued into a broader discussion about the complexities of women’s fantasies in relation to feminism. In a post on Huffington Post she writes,
“In our culture, it is politically incorrect for women to become aroused by something that makes us appear/seem/act submissive. However, we don’t control how and if we turn on to something or someone.
We may not desire to have fantasies about losing control, but many of us do. It doesn’t make us bad women or bad people. It doesn’t even say anything about our psyche or whether or not we want to “lose control” in our own lives. We may not have even known that we could turn on to a particular scene or experience until reading about it.
And in the case of “Fifty Shades,” if it got you hot and bothered, it got you hot and bothered. That’s about it; there’s no underlying psychological issue here. This is not about feminism or the demise of the women’s movement, which is what I fear may have come up during the Today Show segment.”
According to The New York Times, it has “electrified women across the country, who have spread the word like gospel on Facebook pages, at school functions and in spin classes.”
It’s even making women want to have sex with their husbands.
“In the cities and suburbs of New York, Denver and Minneapolis, the women who have devoured the books say they are feeling the happy effects at home.
‘It’s relighting a fire under a lot of marriages,’ said Lyss Stern, the founder of DivaMoms.com and one of the early fans of the series. ‘I think it makes you feel sexy again, reading the books.’”
The first book of the trilogy was published by a tiny independent press in Australia, The Writer’s Coffee Shop, in May with sequels Fifty Shades Darker and Fifty Shades Freed quickly following in September and January respectively.
You can buy Fifty Shades of Grey here.
Have you read Fifty Shades of Grey? Do you believe women actually want a man to take control in the bedroom?
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hmm, my mother told me 50 shades of grey was about ladies who get sexually abused, is that true? or was she like trying to not get me to read the book, because if it is not true i do not blame her.
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i have just found some interesting research ….. 50 shades of grey (written by E L James) when was put thru 2 different plagiarism checkers against another book Master of the Universe (written first by Stephenie Meyer of twilight series) concluded the two pieces of fiction had a similarity index of 89%
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If this brings about more sex in your life, great, but this is lazy writing.
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Fifty Shades of Grey started as Twilight Fan fiction. James took Bella and Edward, placed them a few years in the future in Seattle, and called the book Master of the Universe. That book was published on FanFiction.net. James reportedly rewrote the story to remove the Twilight influence, adding new characters and situations. Edward’s character became Christian Grey and Bella was re-imagined as Anastasia Steele. All paranormal elements were removed — there are no vampires whatsoever. This new work is what readers are getting when they buy 50 Shades of Grey edition published by The Writer’s Coffee Shop.E.L James then went and changed details to publish.
When website, Dear Author ran the two pieces of fiction through Turnitin, a plagiarism checker frequently used on college campus, it gave the two pieces of fiction a similarity index of 89%.
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Watch the movie Secretary starring Maggie Gyllenhall and James Spader. Sounds like a similar premise, but is actually a quality film, and not just tawdry, badly-written rubbish.
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I have just finished reading all 3 of the books (which I downloaded and read in the kindle app on my ipad) I could not put these books down!!! I was sneaking moments at work when I could look like I was doing work, but was reading the book!
What gripped me about this book was the romance, it is a true love story. There are so many levels to the book, not just the BDSM levels… I really enjoyed it and will now start reading book 1 again as I was reading so fast, I skimmed many sections to just find out what happened!
My only wish was some of the more ‘crucial’ parts to the story lines were fleshed out a little more.. (hard to say without giving it away etc)… i.e scenes in the car, why the HR rep was involved with the maniac etc… (i hope I haven’t put in any spoilers)
Overall… 9/10 for this book!!!
****Anyone know if there is a 4th book coming???
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I think the books title says a lot about sexuality… there are so many shades of grey. I encountered a guy via internet dating who was a big BDSM proponent. He was a producer who did a doco and it opened his eyes to this type of activity. What I found disturbing about his behaviour was that there is a thrill in the chase (obviously) but he had profiled who was most likely (ie vulnerable) to be a potential conquest. Apparently single Mum’s are a veritable lucky dip.
I was not at all comfortable when he revealed his ‘interests’ and the more I resisted his ‘charms’ the more thrilling he found it (& I guess arousing) and the more persistent he became. Thankfully I am incredibly cautious about what private information I give out so I was able to limit contact. Another guy admited he liked to do erotic japanese style binding of women, particularly to highlight their womanly bits. I had to google it to find out what it was called – Shibari I think. I didn’t want to be trussed up like a turkey so I ran!!!
I don’t consider myself a prude and I don’t mind a bit of role playing in the bedroom and/or someone taking the lead (control) but I am only comfortable if it is in a trusting environment. And yes, there are some that BDSM is what they love…. if it is consensual then more power to them.
This guy BTW sent really bizarre questionaires about whether I fantacised about being a goldfish, cat or dog etc… you just can never read someone or what lies beneath that expensive suit wearing facade…
And to highlight that point further – I am now single because my ex-husband had a secret desire for teenagers – something he denied but after tracking his internet patterns (via a stealth program) and also finding deluxe DVD sets – I was concerned. And I couldn’t tell if it was legal porn or not. It was ONLY teenagers that he looked for – he told me ‘all’ guys do
Yes, we all have something that pushes our erotic buttons, but this plus the secrecy and lack of any intimacy in our relationship rang alarm bells. As did him downloading 12 screens simultaneously for several hours and then having a bath with our 5 year old daughter (an activity he had given away some years before) on 2 nights over 2 consecutive weeks after HUGE porn fests while I was out of the house. My gut just told me something was not right. Apparently I was the one that had a problem with it…
I was advised that if it was illegal and he was caught, being a senior Government employee he could lose his job. Also if he was investigated I would risk losing my daughter via Docs for not doing anything about it. I asked him to leave and I whilst I do not think my daughter is at any risk, I told him that if he ever laid a finger on her inappropriately that I would F**KING kill him…
Maybe the point I am trying to make (and has been alluded to here before) is that if you open that dark door and give someone an inch do they take that as a sign of permission to run a mile – regardless of gender? or social status… and/or does it feed personality traits such as narcissim?
PS… I normally post my name on all my MM posts but due to the sensitive nature have omitted on this occasion…
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Another Anon, not a great situation at all.
I don’t know if these are words of comfort or not, but you don’t necessarily have to worry about the porn labelled ‘teen’
If you want to see what it is, go onto a fairly mainstream porn site like pornhub.com. The teen genre focuses on girls who are of legal age, but aim to appear young, naive and innocent. I’m not going to defend the psychology of this, but the teen genre is ubiquitous and mainstream.
Be very careful what (and to whom) you say of your ex in this area as you may make yourself vulnerable to a defamation suit. Contacting his employer without complete proof of paedophilia would be a very bad idea.
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Thanks Trog… I do understand you point about the ubiquitous and mainstream nature of the teen porn. It pushed a button for him – a step up from a maids outfit,
though, but not necessarily sinister. From my perspective I guess it was just the whole context of how it was being consumed, I have no issue with porn per se if it is consumed in a healthy manner…. (define healthy though…)
I would never dream of telling his employer anything. It at that point was a personal matter and I didn’t want my world to implode but I would not make the situation any worse than it already was. I don’t think he is a paedophile but the more he consumed the more risks he was taking such as viewing it on Government computers which is a BIG no no. It had been a very long term problem and he was just in denial about it. When he was accessing porn ‘coincidentally’ around the same time he was bathing with our daughter I just felt incredibly uncomfortable. He was also accessing it during the day, in the study with no door when she could walk in at any time. Dumb! and risky.
I will say emphatically though.. if I thought there was ANY risk to my child or anyone else’s I would have NO hesitation in doing something about it. I just personally found after years of discussion a line had been crossed and I drew that line in the sand.
The point I was trying to make around this overall post and subject matter is how far is too far? what is ‘acceptable’ behaviour?, do people take greater risks with more trust? or status?
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I think what you outlined is unacceptable for two reasons. It’s unacceptable if there is a link to bathing with your daughter, first and foremost.
But I would also find it unacceptable in terms of my sex life. Lots of guys watch teen porn, he’s right (many of these ‘teens’ are actually older. It’s all about how they look, not whether they really are teens). But to watch one genre of porn, to the exclusion of all other genres or to a large extent has to make you question your sex life together. I would not be comfortable, as an anglo woman, being with a man who solely watched asian porn for example. Why is he with me? We can all have our fantasies or dip into things but I wouldn’t want to be with a guy who watches extensive porn of one genre of activities that we don’t do together or I don’t like.
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i think the fact that you felt you needed to talk about it and that you needed to tell him that if he ever touched your daughter…. means at some point you were worried about it!
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Truthfully? there was no sex life.. all MY fault apparently.. stopped straight after we got married. I walked away after 17 years together – almost 15 married). The use of 2 dimensional porn instead of me was bothering… and discussed many, many times. The exclusivity of the content bothered me enormously. As accepting and broadminded as I tried to be, it just didn’t sit right. The he started taking greater risks which just became unacceptable. More so because of his arrogance rather than any real danger to my daughter. As much as I try I can’t protect her from the fact her father is an idiot though
I would like to think it has been worth the risk I took but the last 5 years have been a living hell and it will take a lot of time before I will heal from the emotional damage… because from the age of 27 and 52 kilos – I was unf**kable…. Hopefully one day I will meet a REAL man, a loving man who can help me feel differently… but I am a work in progress and will come out the better… I think (and quietly hope) he will crash and burn as he repeats this habitual behaviour again to fulfill what ever it is eating him from the inside because it wasn’t ‘normal’ behaviour nor was there anything ‘wrong’ with me, especially to carry the entire blame.
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think about what you have said and then think about other children who aren’t lucky enough to be as protected as your daughter. A false accusation might ruin one life for a short while, evil left to run free can ruin many lives for ever!
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you are brave – admire you heaps for following ur instincts – all the best for your future
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So annoyed its not on ibooks yet… bought this bloody iPad to read books and nothing I ever want to read is on there!!! Grrr….
Paperback it is I suppose….
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Download the Kindle App.
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Download kobo – its a free book there
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Is only the first book available or all three?
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Didn’t look for the other two ! Sorry
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Yep – they are all there for free !
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I have downloaded the Kobo app but I have only been able to get a preview. How do you get them for free?
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I think they are on to it!… and they are no longer free… it will be cheaper to buy them in hard copy from the Book Depository next month – only $9.11 each
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i bought this on ibooks yesterday. you should be able to get it now.
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Can’t comment as I haven’t read it, but it’s $29.79 on fishpond and free shipping. Love free shipping. I expect by the time I read it all the hoo hah will have subsided. Fortunately I can separate fantasy and reality so I don’t think it will change my life.
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I’m a control freak in all aspects of my life and career so when it comes to the bedroom, I want to switch my brain off and do what I’m told/made to do. We have signals for what is uncomfortable so ‘forcing’ is never an issue, I’m never made to do something I don’t like.
Being submissive is definitely a turn on for me. It’s the reason my husband and I are actually together. I doubt there would have been a second date if he didn’t suddenly and unexpectedly grab me and throw me up against the wall on the first date; because up until that point I thought he was a nice guy and a gentleman but just a little bit boring.
We’re now heading on 7 years and it works for us.
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Do you need to read the previous books before fifty shades of grey?
Its quite an expansive book!
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I think 50 shades of grey is the first in a trilogy….
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I’m independent, educated, able to support myself… in short, I’m a fairly good example of a strong, feminist young woman. But I absolutely love guys who take control in the bedroom and having been single for ages, pretty much the only thing I want from a man now is for him to pin me down and show me who’s boss. If that makes me a crappy feminist, whatever. At the moment it’s a lot more appealing than schmaltzy rubbish in the sack.
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Ahhh, Twilight fanfic. What a giggle.
I love a bit of Robert Pattinson / Edward Cullen now again, but I don’t fancy him tying me up.
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I think you have missed the entire point of the book. Ana actually rejects Christian’s domination, and he willing gives it up to be with her. The reason women are loving this book and talking about it is the epic romance and love story.
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Do you realise that the majority of people reading this are interested in reading the book? Why would you reveal the ending?
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Am half way through the book….wish i could unread this comment!
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Maybe warn ‘spoiler alert’ next time before you blab the ending!! Not happy, half way through the book. Thanks for nothing
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Oh no! I.have only.read a couple of chapters!!! Grrr!!
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I’m sorry for “spoiling” it. It wasn’t my intention at all. I have read the book many times, and it gets better each time, doesn’t matter that I know the end. I just feel very protective f Ms. James’ story and it kills be all the negative publicity its getting. I hope you enjoy it despite my comment.
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Ok this could be my own personal history talking, but submissive is not how I personally like it. I prefer ‘equal’ if that makes any sense? If it got really submissive I would most likely freak out as nothing would turn me off any quicker. Actually I clearly remember a boyfriend thinking it would be funny to pretend to hold me down just playing a game once, and he was a bit shocked at how I immediately and very seriously told him to get off.
Surely with the statistics of the high number of women who have been abused/ raped/ sexually harrassed I’m not alone in this?
Submissive is not the go for me. I definitely like a strong male, but in the bedroom we are both there because we want to be and no one in particular is in control.
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Out of interest, there was an entire article a few days back on MM that talked about how men need to be educated when they watch things like 2 and a half men, and how t-shirts that show women tied up (no suggestion of unconcensual rape mind you) are disgusting and should be banned.
The abuse directed at those that were seen to be profiting from this type of thing was amazing on that post, and I was severly attacked for daring to suggest that men are able to seperate fantasy from reality.
Why is it that men cant cope with the idea of the ‘fantasy’ of it all, yet women clearly can not only cope, but prosper from it (given that you are plugging the hell out of a novel that has a set of handcuffs on the cover and is basically selling the same fantasy, probably on a much more explicit level than the things mentioned in that post.
What is the difference??? Do you think that women are equipped to cope with this fantasy yet men are incapable of seperating fantasy and reality?
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Maybe the difference is that women can actually spell “separate”.
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Clever comment that adds heasps to the discussion. Well done.
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You missed ‘unconcensual’, ‘severly’ and the point.
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So, you can’t mount a logical counter argument, so you point out a few spelling errors, good for you.
I have a masters in mathematics, so by definition cant spell. Logic, however, is a strong point. Lets see a logical counter argument instead shall we.
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WB, your logic has let you down here.
I’m replying to anonymous in support of your original comment.
I think that women ‘s discomfort with men and s&m imagery is that a man could forcibly demand submissive sex from a woman, but it would be very difficult for a woman to force the reverse situation.
Actual coercion not role-played coercion. If even a few socially inept men get the incorrect notion that ALL women want to be treated like a sex puppet ALL the time – then that’s probably going to lead to rape.
It’s about the power relationship, I’m guessing.
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Valid points, thanks. My original position in the rape post was that, do you ban thing from men because a relatively small proportion of men cant control themselves. It gets even harder when, at the same time we promote the very same to women. Couldnt there also be dominant women ( straight or gay) that get turned on by the notion of being dominant. I was just pointing out the parallel with the rape post and the possible double standards being applied, spelling errors and all.
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Nice one Anonymous.
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Anonymous, you know that you’re caught in a kind of irony loop with that pic, don’t you?
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I haven’t read it – although just now logged onto Book Depository and ordered a copy after reading this post, and comments…
Re question about whether women actually want a man to take control in the bedroom. I don’t thnk it’s as cut and dried as that. Sometimes I want to be in control, sometimes I do want him to take control and sometimes I don’t want it to be about anyone being in control. Just depends on the mood at the time, for me anyway. Right now (having been single for ages) I would be happy with any of the above options…
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That was me, accidentally logged out!
By the way, if anyone is going online to buy this book, it’s only $30 on Book Depository and was about $47 on a few other sites.
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Oh my god, $47 for that rubbish?? You can get better on the free erotica sites online! Unbelievable. I hope they fixed the grammar, punctation, language and location issues that plagued the e-book (note to all authors: do not set your book in another country to broaden it’s appeal unless you really, really know how to do that. I have now read several books by non-American authors that base their books in the states and they reek when inaccurate).
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Now I am really glad I didn’t pay the full price!
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Thank you thank you thank. Couldn’t agree more.
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RE: Cut and dried – BDSM has a term called ‘switch’. That is someone within BDSM who likes to both sides of control. Some people in BDSM do primarily or solely identify as either submissive or dominant and take it to the limits of that definition, like in the book.
I think most people like a variety, like you describe. The book really is about a very niche group. The majority of submissive’s are men under the control of a woman.
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‘Its even making women want to have sex with their husbands’.
Wow, amazing, that is incredible. Who would have thought a book could turn the usual repulsion of a wife toward her husband into a desire.
But hang on, imagine someone (anyone) saying that a certain porn movie (which, lets face it, is the male equivalent of erotic fiction) will make a man want to have sex with his wife’. What would this site have to say about that I wonder.
Surely this couldnt be another example of double standards on MM could it????
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I’m far more into m/m bdsm but have just now obtained the books due to the publicity surrounding them.
There is a huge amount of m/m bdsm stories around if you don’t have a moral objection to reading RPS
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I read Fifty Shades when it was still the Twilight Fan-fic, Master of the Universe (or MoTU as it was affectionately referred to in the fandom) with Edward & Bella (or in my mind Rob & Kristen) as the main characters. It was one of the very first fan fiction stories that I had ever read and WHOA! it altered my world. I learned things that I didn’t even know existed. Initially, it was shocking and I was taken aback by the it’s sexually explicit BDSM nature, but I was soon hooked. I realised how naive I was. Not that hubby and I ever lacked in that department, but I just had no idea of some of the things described. It was intriguing. And although we never went to any of the extremes described in the story. It did spice things up. Yes, sometimes I like my man to take control of things in the bedroom, because being in control of the rest of the household is exhausting.
The other week, when Fifty Shades started gathering momentum in the media, I mentioned it to my husband. “Hun, remember that story, Master of The Universe I was reading on the computer ages ago….?” His reply was, “YEAH! How could I forget. I was getting some every night!” ’nuff said. Laters!
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maybe I need some of that book … but do I have the energy …
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I find the origins of this book (as a piece of Twilight fan fic) & the implications for publishing, copyright etc FAR more interesting than the BDSM question.
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I consider myself to be a strong and level headed young lady, but I absolutely take on a submissive role in the bedroom. I like for my partner to tell me what to do, I even like when he slaps me around, chokes me and calls me names. Does this make me any less of a woman? Less of a feminist? Absolutely not. I don’t let just any guy dominate me, and my partner respects me and knows that these behaviours stay in the bedroom. I simply get off more when I’m being submissive, simple as that.
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Chokes you and slaps you? This sounds like a slippery slope to me.
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That’s what she said.
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Haven’t read the book, and to be honest I probably won’t but I have to say I’m pretty suprised by the debate. I don’t find women having fantasies about being submissive in the bedroom anti-feminist in any way. I do, however, find the suggestion or assumption that if a woman has these sexual fantasies it somehow means she wants to play a submissive role in her work or life outside of the sack pretty anti-feminist.
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Strong men like to wear nappies in the bedroom? Discuss.
Generalisation of strong women Mamamia and exploitive content. Insulting really. Discuss.
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Yes. I’m a very strong, opinionated, confident woman. In the sack, I basically just want to be told what to do. And sometimes I actually feel bad about that. It sometimes feels a bit pathetic, but I can’t help that it’s what I want.
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No.
Often but not always.
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I am reading it at the moment – its ok, but kind of annoying. If he says “don’t bite your lip” one more time I’m going to scream.
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Oh he’ll say it again. She will also mention her “inner goddess” at least 30 more times too.
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I’m going to strangle her inner goddess.
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Haven’t read it but will have to add it to the long list of books I want to read when I have some actual time.
I don’t see how it’s a revelation that strong women in control of their lives don’t want to be the boss in the bedroom. It has nothing to do with feminism it’s just human behaviour. I’ve read that a lot of subs who frequent dominatrixes are powerful males. So it’s a sexuality issue and not a gender one. Plus I dispute that fantasies are something we want to play out in real life. Sometimes yes but just because you’re kinky in your head doesn’t mean you want to deal with the realities in the bedroom. I learnt that lesson when I had a threesome and my relationship at the time never recovered.
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I’ve read it, and the second book (Fifty Shades Darker).. I wanted to see if it got better but it didn’t. I think it’s crap. Repetitive and boring, I won’t be reading the third book.
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As a resident of Hornsby Shire, I wish I could be proud of this (very little happens up here.) But, for goodness sake, a Twilight fan-fic about sado/maso tendencies; is no one in my local area sane?!
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I like BDSM, have practiced it a lot and read a lot. This book is pretty badly written – and I am no book snob, I love trash and erotica. It is simply badly written and silly. You can find better BDSM erotica on Literotica (free) including very long serials. You can also find better BDSM e-books on places like Lulu where authors self-publish and around the web.
I think it’s great to see BDSM ‘coming out of the closet’ a bit as a normal desire. But I really wish it was with a better book.
And I have to agree with Jezebel when they said the term ‘mommy porn’ is dreadful.
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And so useless too! I agree. BDSM on iliterotica is pretty amazing…
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Literotica definitely rates as one of my favourite sites!!!!!!! not only for the BDSM stuf though, all categories are good and well written
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of course this is the truth but i hardly want it out there amongst my staff that their cool, calm and in control Manager is a total eager to please vixen in the bedroom, damn it!
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I don’t like dominant/submissive sex at all. Really, really don’t like it.
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‘It’s been hailed as the adult version of Twilight’
That’s because it was originally a Twilight fan fiction story called ‘Master of the Universe’. I read it when it was MOTU (I can’t believe I’m admitting this) and I never thought it was good enough to get published let alone become a bestseller. It sort of uses bits of the Twilight Saga- Edward’s moodiness, Bella’s complete lack of personality, being chased by a stalker (James in the orginal, don’t know what they’ve changed it to in the published version)
Good on E.L. James on getting published though.
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“Edward’s moodiness, Bella’s complete lack of personality…”
This made me laugh out loud!! I seem to be totally hooked by the Twilight franchise even though I have no respect for one of the main characters (Bella) and a lot of it is a bit silly and often not even particularly well written. Give me a strong Hermione any day, over Bella! I am completely perplexed by my interest in the series, but put it down to my old love of Buffy & Angel (when I was in late teens. The Buffy/ Angel story doesn’t do much for me anymore either). Maybe it is a nostalgia thing for me and has nothing to do with the current story! I don’t know.
“complete lack of personality” – you said it so well!
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I know what I’ll next be downloading on my kindle
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have just read all three books this week…a bit of a guilty pleasure, I must admit. So much so, I read them all twice…and Im a professional married independent 30-something liberal feminist. These books were HOT and FUN. Thats all…
ETA: Has also given me some ideas for hubby man’s upcoming birthday
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It is very common for women to have submissive sex fantasies. I used to think there was something wrong with me until I told my therapist who responded that 99% of his female patients have similar fantasies.
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As the Mummy, the wife, the cleaner, the cook, the clothes washer, the petrol in car person, the bill payer, the disciplinarian for the kids hubby and pets, you had better believe that I dont always want to be the one in charge in the bedroom. How refreshing for someone else(man/partner) to take charge of just one thing!
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Just one thing? Have you got a husband, or a slave?
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Sorry, I dont really understand your question here……..
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If take charge means turn me on then yes, I want him to take control
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Meh. I read that last time, when it was called Story of O.
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I don’t think they are the same, just because they are about BDSM. Fifty Shades is a traditional love story really and pretty light in terms of how far BDSM can go. Story of O is quite rough in parts. It would never be called ‘mommy porn’. But you’re right that the ‘scandalous BDSM book’ is not new. Kind funny actually that ‘O’ which came out decades ago is far stronger in content than what is being held up as edgy today.
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Had never heard of the book until now, I’ll be buying it ASAP! I work 50 hours a week in childcare, I am an charge, the boss. I live by myself and make all the decisions. When it comes to the bedroom, you better believe I want a Man to take charge!
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Your fantasy life can be separate to what you actually want to do in the bedroom with your partner. Isn’t that the whole point of a fantasy? That it isn’t real?
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But isn’t the other point of a fantasy is that it MIGHT one day become real? And that is what keeps the fantasy exciting!
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