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women bitch about their looks 380x380 Im fat. Im fatter. How women bond by bitching about their looks. “In high school I looked like a cross between Tootsie and Jon Bon Jovi. I was Harold Bishop with a perm. When I appeared on the first episode of Mamamia on Sky News I looked like a giant tangerine wearing glasses and a wig.  Think of me as Paula Joye’s badly dressed sister. My skin is so pale I’m like the missing cast member from Twilight. I used to think I looked like Kate Winslet. Now I look like I ate Kate Winslet.”

In the past week, these are just some of the statements I’ve made – several times in fact – about my looks. Funny? They were meant to be.  But in reality, when I look at them, they’re not funny. They’re actually a bit sad.

So this week when I read a column on News Taco about women bonding by complaining about their looks, well it struck a nerve.

In a post entitled “Why do women have to be so afraid of getting old?”, author Elaine Dove writes:

“I’ve noticed recently that when I run into female friends, especially in groups, that one of the ways women often bond is to enter into a discussion about how we don’t like how we look. Somehow, a conversation that starts with “How are you?” often turns into a shared lament about weight, age, hair, the fit of jeans, etc. I’ll admit freely that I don’t want to have this conversation. In fact, I often fall silent and end up wandering away when it happens. I keep asking myself if there’s a way for me to bring up what’s happening and my feelings about it. I wonder if doing so would be helpful or just make others more uncomfortable than they obviously already feel.”

Hmmm, word to the wise, Elaine. I think saying something is going to make the other women feel uncomfortable and see you forever banished from coffee dates. (And why is that?)   But the truth is I think Elaine has a point.  Is bitching about our own looks, running ourselves down, poking fun at ourselves the way women have learned to bond?  Or are we just voicing our fears in a safe setting where we can have a laugh about our south-bound boobs and our greying hair?

I’m not entirely sure what the answer is.  What I do know is that words have power and constantly belittling myself can’t be any good for my self-esteem.

And why do we have to be so afraid of getting old? Really? Is it that we become invisible or do we simply need to own the space we take up? To use our voice? I’ve seen first hand how life can be snatched away in an instant. So I’m actively choosing to embrace ageing from now on.   Give me ninety-years-old, sitting on the veranda with my husband Brad surrounded by our tribe. Sure, now that I’m on the cusp of forty,  weight is becoming harder to shift.  I don’t bounce back from four glasses of wine the way I used to.  The girls are looking less than perky. But the truth is  for every well-earned line I carry on my face, there is a well-earned life lesson I carry in my heart. For every wrinkle, every greying hair there is greater wisdom, compassion, understanding that I have earned the hard way. Through living my life. Through experiencing successes. Failures. Screw-ups.  I may no longer be ticking that 18-35 box  but inside, with each passing year, I know I’m becoming more of who I really am. And that’s a woman who can see around a hell of a lot more corners.

And one thing I have learned over the years is this:  What makes a woman truly beautiful is a wide, infectious smile, a compassionate heart and a willingness to laugh at life. And maybe occasionally her thighs.

What’s the most common “joke” you make about your looks?

 

 

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  1. looweez

    Also, when I talk about other women, it is in terms of what they accomplish, enjoy, and actively “do”. The women out there that I love and admire may not be “supermodels” in terms of looks, but they all have self-confidence, intelligence, humour and wit and they have ALL made a mark on the world that is NOT defined by their appearance :-)

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  2. looweez

    I came across this article last week: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/how-to-talk-to-little-gir_b_882510.html and I think it speaks volumes about how quickly little girls are made to learn that looks matter more than intelligence, personality, humour, etc. I’ve made a real effort to ban negative body talk with my daughter – although she hears it at school, and tells me about it at home – and I talk to her friends about what they are reading, their sporting interests / achievements, what they are enjoying at school, and keep off the subject of looks.

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  3. Dee

    I love asking my 20 month old daughter “where’s your belly”? She sticks her stomach out as far as she can and proudly pats it, giggling and grinning as wide as she can showing all of her teeth. I have always been the first one to make “funny” negative comments about parts of my own 38 year old body and lamenting my younger years of having a great arse and rocking a bikini. I now make a concious effort to not even mention size in relation to other people or even comment about my own size. As women, we are our own worst enemies when it comes to perpetuating the focus on how thin or fat we are, should or shouldn’t be.

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  5. Maggie

    Being a size 12 with G Cup breasts I find it very hard to like the only thing people seem to compliment me on.
    With men and women, men can only look at my chest and not my face and stare so obviously.
    Women keep saying how much they wish they had ones like me.
    Though they haven’t been through all the back and neck pain, the trouble with buying bras and clothes.
    Most of the time I only feel like people see me as a set of breasts and not a person at all.
    Hence why I cant stand them. I always talk about wanting to get rid of them.
    The only thing I hate about myself………..and it always comes up in conversations with my girlfriends.

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  6. Anonymous

    Mine: “I got a call from Julia Gillard the other day, she wanted her nose back!”

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  7. Loz

    I don’t do this. Seriously, what is it going to achieve? A sympathetic “Oh no, you’re not…”

    I know people who do this and I always remark on it. I’m still invited out for coffee and now they don’t make these depressing comments – around me anyway!

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  8. InKL

    I roll out this one a lot: “I don’t need belly dancing lessons, my belly dances on it’s own. Even when I’m standing still.”

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  9. chellebelle

    I don’t have any friends who do this, and I don’t do it either. I didn’t realise that was unusual until reading this post!

    I very occasionally make jokes about my grey hair, but always follow it with the truthful comment that I actually really like my hair colour and I’m lucky that I’m greying so well (looks like blonde highlights – woot!).

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  10. My problem is if I mention anything negative about myself, people tend to agree with me. Not good for the ego, so I don’t say anything now.

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    • InKL

      Really? Them there are bitches not friends. Purge yourself I say.

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      • Not friends, family.

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        • MissT

          Oh I so commiserate! You know my post about my body image? Well a big chunk of those harsh comments I recorded in it (like “I thought you were doing this *puffs up face* but it was just your fat face” or “You’re really getting very fat, babe”) were my family.

          Now I refuse to comment on my body or theirs around my family. Only way to deal with it, I think – confront or shut down the conversation. One routinely makes disparaging comments about themself and I know they will easily move on to attacking me if I take the bait, so I just change the conversation.

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  11. Sarah K

    I find it difficult to know what to say when the man I’m with tells me I’m attractive. It’s still quite shocking to me, but I want to be gracious and say thank you. But damnit, I also want to know why. But then I don’t want to ask… but then, then, then… Yes, I don’t know. I’m not used to this…

    Difficult to take a compliment when you’re always criticising your own appearance. Weird.

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    • Maggie

      I have this issue too. But it is still nice to hear once in awhile.

      My partner also for some reason cant tell me what he likes about me.
      When I ask “What do you like about me?” when I am having a bad day and he is like “Why do females always need to hear compliments about themselves?”

      I tell him all the time when he looks good, once in awhile I would like to hear it back that’s all.

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  12. dancingprincess

    I don’t have this problem because I’m really really really really good looking! ;oP

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  13. Lorren

    I have a ghetto booty so anything from, “caution, wide load” to “do not overtake turning vehicle”, I’m also that white, I often remark I’m a human glow in the dark stick or I can make white objects look yellow. My hair is quite curly so on rainy days I’ll mention that I’m taking my poodle out for a walk.

    I don’t feel degraded by it. It’s my body the way it is. Rather than be too upset by it, may as well accept it and make myself and others laugh in the process. Sure makes me feel better!

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    • Meegs21

      Lorren, I think we might be the same person! My friends love my ghetto booty, they affectionately call it my GB!
      My friends and I make jokes about ourselves, but none of us take it seriously, and we also give each other plenty of compliments on our favourite bits of each other and body love! Nothing wrong with a few ‘my bum is so big it blah blah blah’ jokes!

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  14. missamoo

    I always reply to compliments with “I’m alright for an old bag” (i’m 37) although recently it backfired when a friend of mine who dodn’t know my actual age when she found out said “OH then you FANTASTIC for your age!” ugh for your age??
    Must learn to say thank you to compliments and nothing else

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  15. Chicken

    I HATE HATE Haaate these types of conversations – they make me want to chew off my arm to get away from them – and yes they’re very common and seem to serve no purpose except to make everyone involved feel miserable about themselves. A horrible habit ladies.

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  16. Emmeline

    Lately if someone says “oh you look great” or “gee you are so small” I find myself saying “oh it is because I’m breastfeeding, I’m terrifed to see what will happen when I stop” instead of just saying “THANKS” like I should.

    It is silly I know but I always complain to my husband that I must have been significantly bigger a while ago/last year/whenever that person saw me last for them to be commenting now.

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    • Alex

      Errr… well, perhaps you were pregnant!

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      • Fifi

        Um, I think she means in the past when she wasn’t pregnant. Years before perhaps.

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  17. teen-queen-in-jeans

    this is so true!! i’m a healthy teenager, so really i shouldn’t be complaining about much, especially when other people are having to deal with losing their so called “youthfulness” and that’s exactly what we complain about.

    What i find interesting is that complaining, of all things, usually manages to repel people, and if only one person in the group was complaining i guess it would probably do the same thing, but because we all do it, it is a way of bonding. Maybe it’s because it makes us feel like we’re sharing our insecurities, but half the time i think some people’s lists are so long that they’re coming up with stuff on the spot. It almost turns it into a competition. That’s why i love my best friends, because they can smile and say that personally, they think they’re just fine, and that makes you rethink your own situation too. I guess it depends on the balance though. If more people in the group complain, then those who don’t are a minority and can become outcasts, whereas the opposite often leads to the complainer being, not shunned, but at least slightly frowned upon.

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  18. Bradley

    They bond by bitching ?

    I must have walked into the wrong conversations, then ! I’ve heard some bitching about looks and weight etc that would border on being outright character assassination.

    What I find most interesting, after poor dear “Mary” has died the death of one thousand tongue lashings….the very moment that “Mary” puts in an appearance, immediately Murder Incorporated fall and fawn all over her, telling her how great she looks and let’s do lunch.

    Bitches ?!!?

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  19. marmalady

    So true, Bec.

    When I saw my friend again for the first time in 2 years last week it was all “Oh you haven’t aged at all” and “oh look how you’ve lost weight” etc (I was doing it too). Not bitchy, in fact kinda gratifying and yet still bonding over weight and ageing and looks.

    Just for once I would love to be the woman who laughs out loud and rises above all that crap. Maybe I’ll start today.x

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  20. Birdy

    My nail beds suck…

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    • Nico

      …sometimes I get really bad breath in the mornings

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    • Lana

      I have man shoulders…

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    • Dani

      My hairline is so weird…

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      • MissT

        Props to everyone above this comment who managed to quote Mean Girls ;)

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    • My elbows feel like testicles . . .

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      • Bradley

        My testicles feel like elbows !

        Weird ?

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    • girly

      Can I buck the trend? I love my boobs :) They aren’t huge, but fit right in your hand, which is more than I can ask for, really. As I always say, more than a handful is a waste!

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      • I have more than 3 handfuls and I love it :)

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  21. LiberezRose

    It makes me sad when my friends bitch about their ‘fat thighs’ or ‘muffin top’ at school, it makes me think about everything wrong with me. That gets me in the same mind frame I was in last year, when I suffered from an eating disorder. Those conversations make me scared I’ll replase, or that they are suffing from eating disorders and haven’t told anyone.
    I always change the conversation, but honestly, it would be a lot easier if they never existed.

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    • WillaWay

      I have to say I was pretty naive in the girl-stuff department at school. So it was only when friends started talking about the size of their thighs or bum at age 14 that I realised we were supposed to care about this and that it might be a problem since I’m a bit hour-glass-y. Enter long jumpers and thigh self-consciousness that I really didn’t kick until my mid-20s. After having wasted years of a perfectly fantastic teen/young body hidden behind baggy eighties jumpers.

      Do something to help make sure you don’t get sucked into it. Three years after hearing the bums and thighs conversations, I made a comment about my own legs and a perfectly normal male friend in year 12 was absolutely shocked that I thought anything was wrong with my legs or size, shocked that I thought I was fat, and shocked that I had spent more than a millisecond thinking that I was a heiffer and covering it up. This was a slight wake-up call, but it didn’t let me move on.

      Enjoy your body as it is, while it’s that way. Then enjoy the changes. It’s really all good and the only person whose day and thought-time you waste by worrying about this stuff is your own. If anyone makes a negative comment about your body, make them pay!! :) or dump them immediately. They don’t deserve you. When you’re older and look back, you’ll regret having spent time worrying about a perfectly fantastic body that both you and partners are destined to love and enjoy. And there are clothes to suit every body, so don’t feel like you have to be a norm to look good

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  22. monique

    “I have a muffin top when I’m not wearing pants”

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    • Bradley

      Wear pants, then. :)

      Problem solved. Bugger off Trinny and Suzannah !

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      • monique

        Haha thanks for the advice Bradley :)

        Unfortunately, I also have a muffin top with pants, maybe I could start a new fashion trend?

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  23. emmagooding

    I’m 15… I think the more appropriate question to ask is what joke have I NOT made about my looks?

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    • teen-queen-in-jeans

      i know, me too!

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  24. Whenever my friends compliment my mad baking skills, I comment something like ‘yes well it shows, being ample figured like Nigella’. Or when they comment how great it is I make it to the gym 3-4 days a week, I say ‘and I’m still bigger than all of you’. Sad, because I’m not fat, just suffer from office job-and-too-many-brownies syndrome!

    Good article Rebecca!!

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  25. MissT

    I try not to bitch about how I look. I am aware that I am taller and thinner than most of the female population so if I start complaining about my pot belly or putting on weight people will just get mad at me. Even if my skin is terrible, I’ll keep it to myself. Either people will scoff at me or they will launch into a rant about what’s wrong with them. How is that constructive?

    I try to compliment others or be constructive when they’re slagging on themselves. There’s no place in my life for lying about things like that and no place for putting others down.

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    • MissV

      I’m the same. I’ve found that because i’m smaller than all my friends, somehow my concerns/annoyances about my looks are insignificant that i’ve just stopped bothering to comment.

      However on the plus side, this has stopped me being negative about my looks because i have no one to complain to. I’ve noticed that i also have far less negative thoughts about myself because i’m not talking about myself like that nearly as often as i used to.

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      • MissT

        Good! In a perfect world we wouldn’t think bad things about ourselves. Unfortunately it’s not a perfect world but anything we can do to limit it is helpful.

        Whenever you are thinking negatively about your looks, think about yourself in 50 years, looking back on today and remembering how gorgeous you were.

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    • Cordeline

      I understand all your points MissT. However I do think, when some (most?) women moan about their appearance, it’s mostly kind of just a way of making themselves and others around them feel like they are not alone. That we all have fat days, bad hair/skin days, bloated belly days etc. Does that make sense?

      I totally get it that you as an individual might not want to listen to that or join in though.

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      • MissT

        I don’t mind making people feel like they’re not alone or making them feel comfortable, we all have things we’re not happy about, but that’s exactly why I try to always be helpful & constructive.

        It’s not like I shun people when they’re talking badly about themselves, I just always try to bring them back to being positive about things. ESPECIALLY when what they’re worrying about is unjustified.

        I’m a pretty gentle person and I don’t think my friends would say I’m uncaring, I’m more interested in being constructive and supportive & telling people about all the wonderful things they are.

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    • Bradley

      Why would you need to complain about your looks, Miss T ?

      You look bloody fantastic and I’ll put money on it that there are many others who wished they looked even half as good as you.

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      • Anonymous

        oh god bradley… really ?

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        • Bradley

          You have eyes ? Look at that photo !
          Then read some of Miss T’s comments.

          Beautiful externally and internally !

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        • detachableprincess

          I’m with Bradley on this one. Without wanting to embarrass MissT, she looks awesome and is very kind.

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          • Georgiana

            ahh but this is exactly what we’re talking about. The whole “no you look great!” thing. it’s not a bad thing, i’m just saying, look how easily it comes up

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            • MissT

              Georgiana, I appreciate your comment about how easily it comes up, and it does. But I don’t think that’s what they were doing. I actually came back here expecting people to slam me for being too up myself (saying I’m taller & thinner than most).

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          • MissT

            Thank you Bradley & detachable princess!

            I used to be a weird looking kid, all flailing limbs, blonde hair & sticky outy ears. Very much made fun of, as you would know from my past comments. So now that I’m not weird looking, I am proud of how I look.

            But I won’t always look this way. And while I’m happy to pose in photos while I do, it’s so much more important that I’m a nice person when I don’t.

            Thank you both for mentioning that :) .

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  26. lacer

    I remember a high school friend always complaining about her thighs, which were skinny by the way. When women say things like “my thighs are so fat” I don’t comment because it makes me feel worse about myself because nine times out of ten they look way better than me. I think sometimes they want me to prop them up with “no their not fat your so skinny”. They actually want a compliment or me to notice.

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  27. aleous

    I think we do this for a couple of reasons:

    1. If we say something negative about ourselves our friend is likely to say something negative about themselves and then we don’t feel so alone in our self-loathing. Having little or no self confidence is hard but when you find that a friend, who you think is gorgeous, has hang-ups about herself then you might feel a little better. If she thinks her lovely long, slim legs are fat when they’re clearly not then maybe my tuckshop arms aren’t as bad as I think they are either.

    2. Somehow we’ve learnt that it seems better to get in first with a negative comment about ourselves before someone else can say it, or even before they can think it. I’ve noticed myself doing this even more recently with my pregnancy. I’m just starting to show a little but when I tell someone I’m pregnant and I can see them look at my tummy I tend to say something like “I’m not really showing yet, I just look fatter.” Really? What is wrong with me? I’m pregnant and should be enjoing not having to suck in my tummy!

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  28. Jennie

    A comment about the ‘wide, infectious laugh’ bit in your last paragraph …

    I have a Facebook profile (mainly for work) and a couple of months ago I changed the photo of me to one taken when I was in the middle of a huge laugh – head thrown back, mouth wide open, huge big laugh happening.

    All of a sudden, I started getting absolutely badgered by men wanting to message me and talk to me. Hadn’t happened once before I changed the picture to the laughing one. Made my husband very uncomfortable. I found it very flattering, if I’m honest, and although I didn’t respond to any of the overtures I got, I did refuse to change the picture back when my husband asked me to!

    I know we don’t want to look good just for men, but for women who are looking for a man, here’s my tip – laugh a lot, and laugh big, and laugh loud. Men love it, and they seem to love it more than big boobs or other perfect body parts. Oh, and ditch the bitching (except when you’re just with women, in which case go for it).

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  29. alisontriffett

    I joke about my saggy tits being more like ski-jumps than breasts. I joke about my skinny legs looking more like arms at the end of my bum. I joke about my deep-set eyes which look like they’ve punched back into my skull. I joke about the fact that I have very few organs left that actually still work, and perhaps a head-transplant would the fastest-track to fixing it?
    Gee…seems like I do joke a LOT about my body…
    Note to self : When you feel yourself falling back into old ways, replace the negative statement you were about to make about yourself with a positive and genuine compliment for someone else. My motto has always been “The best way to make yourself feel good is to make someone else feel even better”!

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  30. Sam

    I don’t think this is that common among my friendship group.

    I do have a guilty secret though…Sometimes if someone is wearing something awful or has done something different, and I can’t stop staring at it and they notice, I say that I like their hair-do, skirt, etc even though I think the opposite. Blatant lying I know, but it’s like a car wreck..ya just can’t look away and so you have to comment if caught out.

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  31. jess

    I think we respond with negative comments about ourselves rather than volunteering them. My sister said to a friend today “oh you look so slim” and the friend said “oh, it’s the top….”

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  32. detachableprincess

    Men bond by insulting each other, but they don’t really mean it.
    Women bond by complimenting each other, and they don’t really mean it either.

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    • Bradley

      True. Men will tear you down with words to your face.

      Women will do it behind your back.

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  33. Nora

    Most common jokes I make about my looks would be my resemblance to Montgomery Burns when I pull out my upper lip aand anything in relation to my moustache before a wax.

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  34. chellabelle

    …Females are really THAT negative? If I run into someone, the last thing I’m going to do is lament anything about my body/looks.

    I don’t make jokes about my looks, but my dad loves making jokes about my “muppet arms” :P .

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  35. em

    if i have something i genuinely feel insecure about, or know that it’s bad (for example, my crooked teeth), then i’m a lot more comfortable saying it out loud and laughing about it than i am pretending i don’t care! i think, to the contrary, having a laugh at ourselves actually boosts self-esteem. it makes you realise it really isn’t the end of the world!

    but i get really annoyed at women who complain ALL the time or complain about something that is BLATANTLY not true – even inside their own minds!!

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  36. christy

    My favourite at the moment is pointing out my grey/white hairs….. and the fact I still look 6 months preggers.

    Better me point it out rather than someone else.

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  37. katehunter

    As soon as I saw my girlfriends at lunch today I apologized for looking like a fat bogan.

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    • bec Sparrow

      I can just imagine you saying that! And I would have chimed in and said, “That makes two of us”. What’s the collective noun for bogans?

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      • A gumboot of bogans?

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        • Lulu

          An uggboot of bogans?

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        • Bec Sparrow

          A car boot of bogans? A mullet of bogans? (okay that doesn’t actually make sense but it sounds right …)

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          • Bec

            A flannelette of bogans? Or a fuzzy dice of bogans?

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            • Anonymous

              an austraya of bogans?

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            • redballoon

              Thumbs up. Except maybe it’s actually “Straya”.

              I know, it can’t get more depressing than this. Can it?

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        • aleous

          An Australian-flag-thong-with-bottle-opener-in-the-sole of bogans?

          Seriously I have seen such bogantastic footwear!

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      • katehunter

        Of course I followed up insulting myself with complimenting them. P’s eyes looked fabulous and A wore her white jeans brilliantly. I look hideous, you look gorgeous. It’s the song of sisterhood.

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      • Bradley

        Collective noun for bogans ?

        (……………) Insert the name of your favourite suburb between the brackets.

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        • A Penrith of bogans? A Rooty Hill of bogans? A St Ives of bogans?

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        • girly

          A beer bottle of bogans!

          Or a Mt Druitt/Mounty County of bogans, hehe

          S’marys of bogans..

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      • InKL

        A ute of bogans?

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    • Bradley

      Unless that is a very old photograph……how does such a “slim” lady become a fat bogan ?

      So far all I can come up with is wear non-designer label clothing to a cafe/restaurant in an upmarket suburb, during the lunchtime rush.

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  38. Kylie L

    Thankfully, I no longer have these conversations… but all through high school I did. I could never bitch about my weight (my nickname was “Mantis”) so I would immediately offer up my lack of cleavage instead. Otherwise I would have had to keep quiet; to keep quiet is to appear to be up yourself; and at high school there is no greater sin. It’s all so sad, really.

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  39. Jessica Rabbit

    I’m 5.2′ with a curvy frame so i borrow Dolly’s Partons joke and tell people who comment on my height that ‘i would have been taller i just got all bunched up at the top’ !

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    • Holly

      Your body shape and height sound exactly the same as mine Jessica Rabbit! I used to spend all my time wishing for more height and less boobs. Now I spend my time wondering how my curves got so padded out and more rounded than curved!

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  40. Simone

    I have an aunty who does the complete opposite. “Oh, I don’t have any wrinkles, my skin looks fantastic, I could have been a model, I have the best hair out of all of my sisters, I look great in this dress….blah, blah, blah” I actually can’t stand to be around her and her vanity. Maybe that’s why we do it?

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    • Lu

      I know a woman like that and its wearing a little thin. Every time someone puts on a bit of weight she bitches loudly about them and says things like ‘look how huge xxx is getting, she should take my approach, I watch what I eat, try to exercise regularly and I look good’….. when she’s actually bigger than some of the women she bitches about, I dont think she can see it.. I guess its good she has a healthy self esteem, I just wish she’d stop picking on other women who are no different to her.

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    • anna84

      Reminds me of a story. I used to work with this girl who was no doubt about it, drop-dead gorgeous. Great body, beautiful face, well-dressed and every guy in the room woudl stop and stare when she entered. Don’t get me wrong I think confidence is great and there’s nothing wrong with knowing you are attractive (I think it can be a good quality)….but this girl took things a little too far. You could almost not have a conversation with her without some mention of how many guys like her, who thinks she is beautiful, who is staring at her etc. At first I didn’t mind so much but after a while it got kinda old. One night we were out at a work drinks and she spent the ENTIRE night telling stories about various guys that had been head over heels for her and how much male attention she got. Her boyfriend was sitting right there too and didn’t say anything. As we were walking down the city street on the way to the venue we saw a fountain and one of the guys joked, ‘why don’t we all skinny dip and get naked.’ She responded with, ‘I’ll go first I’ve got the best figure of all the girls.’ WTF? She would also make comments about size 12 girls being “large girls” and often make references to being the most attractive girl around.
      Okay a bit of confidence is great but her going on and on about her beauty was starting to wear thin and make her seem a lot less attractive to me…plus it’s one thing to admit you have a good figure, but to make it clear you think you look better than all the other girls? There’s a way to make enemies!
      ANyway, maybe part of the reason we are self-depricating, like SImone said, is because we don’t want to come across as vain like this girl. I don’t do it that often but I do sometimes make self-depricating jokes about the way I look. One thing I always try to do is if someone makes a compliment about the way I look, to accept it rather than making a joke about how it’s not true.

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      • WillaWay

        I’m sure she was a pain, but also sad that so much of her self-worth was wrapped up in her appearance and ability to attract boys. Maybe masking some uncertainty about her worth in other ways. She might have a really tough time with ageing, and be struggling with thinking about her appearance all the time.

        Like, why is it the women who are seen as gorgeous when younger who are out there at 40 carving up their bodies and faces and injecting this and that. I feel sad looking at Jennifer Aniston and realising that someone as physically attractive as her feels she would rather look fake and odd than older. Same for the woman on Weeds. The impression is good at first, because her procedures have obviously been done very well – but it’s hard to watch, because she’s sacrificed a moving face and normality because she so deeply desires to not look a bit older and be judged less worthy.

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  41. Bo

    I am very self-deprecating about my looks but I reject the notion that I’m masking some deep-rooted self esteem issue. As Tina Fey says, the most important rule of beauty is to remember “who cares”!

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  42. Men do the same thing…maybe not just about looks…but we bond by teasing the shit out of each other…any subject matter will do….

    What’s the most common “joke” I make about my looks? That I look like what Jesus would have looked like if he hadn’t died for our sins and had survived into middle-age.

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  43. Melissa J

    I don’t have these conversations with my friends. Our looks/weight/appearance aren’t usually topics of conversation unless we’re actually talking about clothes or make up for some reason.
    When a friend occasionally says some offhand negative comment about their own body in relation to something we’re discussing it’s never a bonding thing, it’s a quick ‘don’t be silly you’re beautiful’ then back to whatever we’re talking about.

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    • stacem

      I agree…..I have started my daughter at a new school and I’m embarking on the tough road of infiltrating already established friendship groups (for me, my daughter breezed in and found some besties in the first week!) I have found this exactly, it began all politely with “that’s a gorgeous dress, that color suits you and I love your shoes”. A couple of months on though and conversation has shifted…..our discussions now include fat bits, blemishes and hair that shouldn’t be there! We’ve bonded, we laugh and it’s a common denominator.

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