by REBECCA SPARROW
Photos are deceiving. That photo of me (and my perm) was taken on my last day of high school in 1989. And I look deliriously happy.
I was, of course. For starters, I didn’t have to wear that uniform anymore. High-5 to that. Homework was over. No more having to sit through another minute of Biol or the textbook that haunted my dreams: The Web of Life. Hey Highschool, don’t let the door hit you on the way out, is what my eyes seem to be saying.
Of course what you can’t see is that I’m also completely terrified. Terrified at what did – or didn’t – lay ahead. Terrified at whether or not I would cope at university. That’s assuming I even got a high enough score to get into the Communications course I wanted to do. (Guess what? I didn’t). I remember being terrified knowing the group of people I’d spent the past five years with were all heading off in different directions. And that I’d kinda taken it for granted that all those faces – some loved and some loathed – were no longer going to be a part of my daily life.
So yeah – I remember that last term. And I’m reminded of it now as the media rolls out its annual “The HSC has begun” stories. Also because I’m putting the final touches on a book of advice I’m currently writing for year 12 students of all the things I wish I’d known before I left high school and went out into the real world. Advice like, “Never date a man who has Cher tunes on his iPod.”
Joking.
But think about it. Before you left school and went out into the big, wide world, what do you wish you’d known? For what it’s worth, here’s what I wish I’d known back then:
You will not be a success or a failure in life based on your year 12 final grades.
For senior students, it feels like their whole future is resting on these year 12 exams. But it’s not. Let’s be really, really honest. Your final grade is just one little moment in time. The truth is the people who are living big, exciting lives; the people who are living their dreams, who are making a mark are not necessarily the people who got straight A’s or did fabulously well in the HSC or SACE or OP or whatever it is in your state. They are the people who are resilient. And persistent. They are the people who had faith in themselves and kept going.
Now don’t get me wrong – high grades are valuable. The better your grades the greater the options when you leave school. And that’s what you want: options. But in the long term, success in life is about your ability to bounce-back. So if you don’t do so well with these exams or if you don’t get the score you want – just remember that it’s not the end of the world. If you REALLY want to study something, you’ll find a way to do it. As my friend Pam always says, when one door closes, try squeezing through the cat flap.
And then there are life’s late bloomers. For a whole range of reasons some people just don’t do well in high school. Maybe because of stuff that’s going on at home. Maybe because they’re not a great fit for the school they attend. Maybe because their head just isn’t in the right place. But that doesn’t mean you can’t go on to great things. A fabulous example is my friend (and fellow author) Kim Wilkins. On her blog, Kim wrote this about her disasterous high school years:
“I was a late bloomer in every sense of the word. I still played with my dollhouse in the first year of high school, until one of the other girls told me that it was lame. I was puzzled and sometimes horrified by the things my teenage peers talked about and did. I gained a reputation for being the biggest “dag” in my grade. I flunked almost everything at high school and spent a very long time working in fast food jobs and typing jobs. In fact, I’d say that I didn’t really blossom until my mid-twenties. I went back to school and finished my senior, got into uni, started writing books, and haven’t looked back. “
Let me tell you, Kim’s being modest. Today she’s an internationally acclaimed author of twenty books. She’s a university lecturer. She won a University Medal for pete’s sake. She’s living the life of her dreams. And she flunked out at high school.
So to the graduating class of 2012, know this: whatever happens over the coming months, have faith that you’ll be just fine. Why? Because whatever happens you have it in you to bounce back.
How have your high school grades affected your life?







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thanx,I seriously needed that:) I failed my math test the other day and I thought it was the end of the world
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I don’t think they should even make the HSC out to be as serious as they say it is, it just causes stress & it’s been proven most kids do better on casual tests or normal school exams because they’re more relaxed & can think more clearly. A lot of good jobs are attainable with just TAFE qualifications anyway, I know someone who’s earning $1200 a week & she didn’t even finish year 11
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I did my HSC in 2007 and got fairly decent marks, ranging from 64-80. Unfortunately, my UAI (now ATAR) was less great. I actually burst into tears when I heard it, because I needed something like 74 to get into a Bachelor of Arts at the University of Wollongong, and I got 57.5.
I’d wanted to teach since I was 7 and that was all I knew. I was working at Woolworths on the weekends and did NOT want to be there for the rest of my life and couldn’t afford TAFE, so I was freaking out.
Luckily, UOW accepted me into their Shoalhaven campus, so I went there for my first semester and transferred up to the Wollongong campus after that.
Now, I finished my BA, did (and stressed over) my Dip Ed and am now finishing up my first year of teaching and looking for work for 2013!
Going to Shoalhaven for the first 6 months was actually a great thing for me. It was a tiny campus, so I didn’t have to worry about finding my way around and dealing with classes. And I met two of my best friends there!
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I went through the Qld system and graduated in 2007 with an OP 1 (the only person in my tiny remote town). Having my pick at pretty much any university or program, I ended up trying a few things and sticking with psychology, about to finish my honours degree. It would seem that things have gone really great for me.
However, since leaving high school (again growing up in a remote town) and coming to university, I’ve experienced what I can only describe as life throwing a huge slap in my face. Since coming to university I have lost all confidence in my ability after realising how little I really knew and how my year 12 result was not indicative at all of all the things that you would expect from a ‘high achiever’. I came to uni and everyone was talking politics and I was completely ashamed to admit that I didn’t even know the difference between labour and liberal and couldn’t tell you who fought in WWI to save my life. Everything I knew and was good at was not important or relevant to life and life’s general cooperation.
It’s really made me re-evaluate my perspective and I feel like I’m learning life all over again. I’ve also embraced mediocrity. The pressure is not worth the pain and the misery. I’ve been hugely affected by pressure/expectations, self-doubt, lack of confidence, etc. since being at uni and I really hope that I can one day establish something to help students (esp. high school students) to cope with pressure/ redefine their circumstances and know that there are ALWAYS options, always.
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Fantastic! I’ve seen so much ‘freaking out’ going on over the past few days. I run courses for in yoga & meditation for HSC students and it really helps them to get some perspective on things. I love the last line of this article because it’s RESILIENCE that really matters. Teaching young men and women to step back from the maelstrom of thoughts & emotions and discover that they can find calm at the centre of the storm gives them a lasting, grounded strength that they can call upon whenever they are under pressure in life. Good luck to everyone doing HSC this year!
Nikola Ellis
http://www.adoreyoga.com/
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This is the type of article that needs to be a required reading for the HSC English courses.
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I had to comment on this as I have a 17 year old son in Year 12. Part way through this year the school contacted us to discuss his options – English was not going well at all and he was at risk of failing the subject. He has/had a wonderful English teacher (who, had he had being working with BEFORE Year 12 might not have found him in the state he was, but what can you do with that?) and was trying to balance everything. My boy wants to go to the US on a sports scholarship in either 2013 or 2014 and therefore was never going to uni in Australia anyway in the near future. His plan was to go to TAFE to do something in Sport in the meantime. With our informed consent and after investigating all the pathways, we decided an unscored VCE was the way to go. Incidentally, once that pressure of end of year exams was done, his grades improved, but, oh well!
He is very lucky that his career pathway should the sports scholarship not pan out is clear – Dip of Sport at TAFE as a pathway into uni later, giving him time to focus on his sport and aim for his dream. The surprising reaction has been from our friends (one in particular) who cannot understand that not everyone needs to be a laywer or a doctor and the ATAR score is not the sum total of his ability or worthiness as a human being. He will finish school this week with a Year 12 leavers certificate – and that’s what he needs. He’s sat the SAT for College in the US – above average scores there so he’s not a dunce. My point is that there is so much expectation on that magic number and the pressure that entails – I didn’t go to uni and careerwise I am on the right pathway. Who knows what the future holds so I believe in having the ability to chase your dreams – as long as you have the back up plan in place!
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I think that eventually your high school marks don’t matter, but straight out of school they do. I personally think half the problem is the school system in Australia and the fact that many 17 year olds do not have the maturity or life experience to have even an inkling about what they want to do. We’re good at school based apprenticeships and Tafe certificates these days, but not so good with a whole other cohort of students who want to attend university but don’t have direction. In the US High School students can complete college/university subjects as part of their high school senior certificate which means bright students have an opportunity to get a head start and find out if they are truly interested in a specific subject area. If we took this on in Australia, and also offered compulsory workshops on career guidance and job seeking skills as well as stress management, it may take the pressure off. We need to educate students that there are multiple pathways to get to a job. We still have to encourage them to work hard, but just let them know that it’s not worth getting suicidal or developing mental health issues over. For example if a student who is desperate to be a Doctor doesn’t know that if you don’t get high enough marks you can enrol in Bachelor of Applied Science and transfer into medicine later with a high enough GPA, might be incredibly anxious about not getting a high enough mark.
I repeated year 12 the year after I did it the first time because I didn’t do well and I believed the expectation was to go to uni. After that I went to uni but did part of 2 different courses and dropped out. I spent several years in a range of retail, sales and admin jobs before returning and have now finished a Bachelor of Education and decided to enrol in a Masters in Guidance and Counselling and become a school guidance officer or side step into human services or adult literacy and numeracy training. I’m 32 and my career is only just beginning. I wish I had gotten my act together sooner but I still have a good 35 or so years of working life left so it is never too late!
Also I still have poor stress management skills which leads to generalised anxiety and it has taken me all these years to start exploring these issues – I wish there had been more in school about looking after your mental health and recognising and managing anxiety – because I did neither and ended up just not trying my hardest or at all as a defence mechanism. You can’t disappoint yourself or others if you didn’t try because you never have to see the true reflection of your own abilities
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Thank you for this comment.. I really needed to read something like this today.
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Can i ask is it Bad to Repeat year 10 ?
My school wasnt able to Provide me to year 11 and i didnt wana go to a V. uni tafe course and im not sure.
normally i dont like To Jump to year 11 from shiftin to another school just because i have bad marks in year 10 its like dodging
is there anyway on how i can get assist ?
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is it Bad to repeat year 10 ?
i did’nt do well in year 10 and my parents offering me to shift to year 11
and i don’t want to Jump to year 11 its like dodging i don’t know if its a good idea but if i have to
is there anyway on how i can get assist with this?
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I was lucky, having seen my sister stress through year 12 and get into her preferred course a year later despite not getting the marks I knew year 12 wasnt going to be the be all an end all. Mum and dad always said that as long as we got a pass, it didn’t matter. I ended up with a pretty fantastic TER, but all I cared about was that it meant I had gotten into the degree I wanted and I was going to get to do a whole lot of awesome things.
It’s the same now. I’m stressing about assignments at uni, but then I see family and friends that have already gotten through what I have and realised that “P’s get degrees” and one bad mark isn’t going to ruin me! It’s fared me well so far so I’m going to stick with it!
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We were constantly told by teachers that year 12 would be the hardest year of our lives. Bollocks. It was hard, but not even close to being the hardest. No one gains from being fibbed to like that, it just made for some stressed students. It also gave me the expectation that uni would be a breeze, which it definitely wasn’t. I scraped through.
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I’m in total agreement.
I went back to high school at 23 after doing a trade. The WA system had a couple of schools that were set up for adult students, and then filled available places with repeating kids and fee paying overseas students. The one year course covered years 11 and 12 in one year, and while it was difficult to do as an adult student, it didn’t have a patch on 3rd year of Engineering. 4th Year of Engineering was no breeze either.
Nothing good comes from teachers telling kids that year 12 will be their hardest year. It’s so far from the truth it’s almost a bad joke. We really should be telling teachers who peddle this nonsense to shut up and get on with teaching.
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So true. I was never much of a studier, didn’t work that hard in year 12 and managed to pass with mostly C’s & D’s. A couple of years later I went to University to study a computer science degree and it was much much harder that anything we did in year 12, even for someone with a knack for IT (which I now work in).
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Just one more thing…
Why can’t the HSC be taken over 2 years? With final exams completed at the end of each year/term/semester… similar to University? That way you can focus on 2 subjects at a time, opposed to trying to focus on 5 or more… Just sayin’.
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Thats what Tasmania currently has, however there has been a bit of a push to change it. I went to school in tassie, and the HSC over two years suited me perfectly.
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When I was at uni it was pretty common to have exams for 5 or 6 subjects each semester. Some of the had end of year exams too. Year 12 exams are really just a taste of what many will get at uni later. And where the subject material tends to be much more difficult.
The high school I went to had end of year exams all through high school. So year 12 exams weren’t that much different from other years.
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I put so much pressure on myself in those years leading up to year 12 that by the time I got there I’d burnt out.
I did okay with my results (60-80) but not enough to get the UAI I needed… by this time the level of the course you did had also become a factor and as I took general subjects my overall grades were brought down.
So I went to TAFE, got a Diploma in Children’s Services and worked for 4 years in a Long Day Care before transferring to a Preschool in 2006… since then I’ve completed a Teaching degree and an Education degree (both Early Childhood).
I think had I have gone to Uni straight from high school I wouldn’t have done nearly as well in my subjects as I wouldn’t have had the maturity and the experience (both work and life) that I have now… and graduated Uni with a HD average!!
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I teach a Year 12 Linguistics subject. I battle each year with the paradox of teaching for the exam vs teaching for life. I figure that if these kids can leave my class and think, and be excited about language and pay attention to the effect of words and how we speak then I have done my job. Today’s news about the term ‘misogynist’ generated so much discussion and excitement that we didn’t get time to do other ‘formal’ revision. Ooops…
Sometimes I feel that makes me a bad teacher. In this society that cares about marks and numbers it can be hard to convince kids that there is a world after yr 12. In my experience though, they work it out very quickly. By the start of Feb they have moved on from high school and the labels and expectations it brings and are ready to tackle the next stage.
We just need to remember that these kids will end up doing jobs which don’t even exist yet. They’ll change careers at least 3 times. The skills they learn and the ability to critically think is more important than the score they get.
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Actually I think that makes you a great teacher!
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I’m in year 12 this year and am just about to begin my end of year exams. I have to say that I do agree with you, but that’s not how year 12s see it! You have your teachers telling you how important it is for you to do well, your parents telling you to stress less and every other commitment that comes with being a year 12 (school captain, graduation, fundraisers, part time work etc.). It’s a bloody tough year when you’ve spent most of your schooling working, but not working hard. I think it causes a lot of issues being thrown into such a stressful year, it’s like it hits you out of nowhere. In that way, I think experiencing year 12, and actually trying, teaches you a lot about yourself – your strengths and of course your weaknesses. My point is, as a year 12, we’re told by everyone that either we’re not trying hard enough or we’re trying too hard and that we need to just relax. That’s what’s been the main cause of stress for me this year, trying to get that balance and working at your own pace for you, and not for anyone else.
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Would you say the same applies for university grades? There is a massive pressure for undergraduates in some courses (eg Psychology) to achieve a high grade for Honours entry. Is this pressure justified?
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Absoloutely!! In my field of ecology no one would really consider hiring a graduate who didn’t have honours as a minimum
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I studied psychology and I have to say yes, it is justified in this particular case because if you don’t get into Honours, your chances of becoming a psychologist become very slim.
Having said that, I wouldn’t worry about it in most other degrees, as long as you pass, who cares what score you average with. The vast majority of employers are not going to ask to see your transcripts.
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In law there definitely is. There are so few graduate positions offered to law students, and if you don’t get one with a firm or in the APS and you want to practice as a solicitor you will have to fork out for practical legal training yourself (about $7600) plus the costs of being admitted (about $1000). This means that even people with first class honours and fantastic extracurriculars often end up unemployed at the end of uni.
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I’d say it’s even more important at university. If you get a university spot, you are privileged. You will have a profession of some kind (unless you do something with no jobs at the end, like forensic science). I think universities should have the best, hardest working, most dedicated students working to be the best in their fields. But what do you get? Well, I went back and got my nursing degree just before turning 40 (not my first degree), and what was the attitude I heard much of the time? “Oh, it doesn’t matter, so long as you get a pass you’ve got through”.
My question was always this: “If you, or your mother, or your baby, go to hospital, which nurse do you want looking after you or them – the one that battled to master the chemistry, anatomy and physiology and got the marks to prove s/he mastered it, or the nurse who got 51% and consequently doesn’t recognise renal failure, or hypovolemia?”
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Don’t let ur life pass you by. Despite how u feel atm u won’t be 17,18 forever. So cherish ur school years your school friends and value yourself above all else. Realise that not everything comes to you when u expect it- that dean job may take years to come to you. But persevere . Your grades won’t make or break your life because you can do anything you set your mind to. YOU are an individual so if you want to go to uni then go if you want to travel then travel if you want to marry and have babies and are done with studying then marry. All I suggest is that don’t throw ur education away cuz it seems too hard- try and try until u have given it ur all. Just my advice
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NEVER PEAK IN HIGH SCHOOL KIDS!!
I always say this and will say it to my kids when I have them.
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I was never the best student in school – I barely scraped passes in Maths and Modern History (two of the worst subjects ever invented), failed my QCS test, but I still managed to get into my uni course and just one year after graduating high school, am writing for a national magazine.
Just goes to show I guess!
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Oh man I wish I had seen this sooner! Or more importantly that the deputies at school just encouraged us to do our best rather than saying you need to get the highest op.
I go to an inner-city private school and the amount of pressure the deputies put on us, and consequently we put on ourselves, is ridiculous! On multiple occasions this year I’ve had to be talked out of delirium by my teachers because of the sheer amount of stress that comes with striving to be perfect in every subject. It’s reassuring to see that most people who didn’t get their ideal score have been very successful. Now hopefully I remember that in 3 weeks when I’m doing my final exams…
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My sons schools closed down this year right in the middle of year 12. So just before the end of term 2 we didn’t know if we would be able to find a school for him to finish his year.
The stress has been unbelievable. The change in the kids profound. The best way to describe it is grief. A lot of the kids had been at that school since prep.
Others schools were found but the move could not be called a success.
The message we are trying to get through to the kids right now is that all they can do is their best. They are not their ATAR score.
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It’ll be interesting to see if the media follow up with some of these kids. They seem to have forgotten about this story, but I can only imagine how hard it must be for them all.
I hope that your son does the best that he can, and that he can find time in the finishing of his high school years to spend time with his old school friends too.
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Honestly, I hope the media don’t follow up with the kids. Quite apart from the upheaval of the school closing and having to find a new school, the kids have had to deal with people’s judgemental attitudes. It was quite a shock for them to learn that people felt that they were pampered private school kids and it would do them good to have to go to a public school. They thought they were just kids whose school has closed through no fault of their own.
Anyway, nearly over now and they can all move on as best they can.
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Ouch. Yes I see your point, that kind of realisation would be hard.
I just read elsewhere that another Melbourne private school is shutting at the end of the year. Open for 2 years, 700 + kids, in an area which is already bursting at the seams…
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Good luck to your son and all the other kids from his original school. It certainly hasn’t been the easiest year for them.
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My year 12 grades made absolutely no iota of a difference to my life – I don’t know what my UAI score is, even now. No idea.
I wouldn’t tell today’s year 12 that, though. Today, the world is so much more competitive. You can’t even get a basic entry level job without a uni degree. Telling a year 12 student not to worry because it doesn’t matter is the WORST thing you can do.
Sorry, Sparrow, but things aren’t as easy as they were back in 1989. You can’t just rock up to your exams and automatically get marks. When I did my HSC in 2007, we got 50% for just turning up. We automatically passed for having a go. Unfortunately, these days, you have to give a shit. And if you want to get accepted into uni, you need the mark. If you want a job, you need to work effing hard.
Things are different these days, Sparrow. It’s competitive to the point of brutal.
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I understand what you are saying but i think you are missing the point a bit. You really can get a great job without a uni degree and uni is not the only way to be a success. My daughter did very well at school and was dreaming of uni but hated it. She left before finishing her first year, got a job in a bank and at 22 is earning more than $55,000 a year with promotions and new positions coming her way regularly. So I think Bec is spot on…. Resilience and hard work will get you anywhere you want to go.
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Shelly
At my school you did not get 50% of marks just for turning up!!!
And I absolutely think students need to try their best but that in the end, if things don’t go to plan, it’s not the end of the world.
Of course in life you need to work hard but what I’m saying is if you bomb out, you can still find a way to achieve your goals. It may take you longer (you may need to study something else and upgrade) but it’s always possible.
I don’t mean this rudely at all but were you alive in 1989?
Australia was heading into a recession. Trust me, jobs weren’t easy to find!
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Sorry but I think it’s a little rude you are addressing Bec as Sparrow, you don’t know her personally, and I’m sure when you first meet someone you wouldn’t call them by their last name.
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Fantastic timing with this story.
When you are drowning in the stress it is hard to remember there are always other ways around and that this is not the only opportunity.
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I’d say that my high school grades affected my future. I didn’t get the TE score that I required to study for the career that I’d set my heart on. Hence, yes, I will never be what I could have been.
But as lives go, I’m fairly happy with the way that things turned out. However I do often think, “what if”.
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Never too late… read back some of the comments the others has written and you would see that a lot of them hung in there and finally achieved what they were hoping for
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I don’t know how popular your desired industry is but you may find there are other ways to get in there. Or you could go to uni as a mature age student. Never give up
I failed year 11 in 1988 (I was a huge underage drinker and club goer) and didn’t ever attempt my VCE. I left school at 16 with a year 10 pass and went to work in retail straighaway. I loved it, enjoyed the industry I was in (music) but by my mid-20′s was less than satisfied with the idea that I wasn’t really following my dreams.
I ended up going to uni as a mature age student and earning my degree in zoology by the time I was 32. Never looked back. I loved being closer in age to my lecturers than my classmates, and I was focused in a way that I never was as a teenager.
Best of luck to you Bradley
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As a current year twelve student at a top 5 selective school, I can’t even describe how many people forget this.
The sad reality is, many of those aiming to do medicine, or combined law at certain universities with sky high cut offs are unlikely to make it, yet refuse to do these degrees at other institutions.
Makes you wonder if they really want it!
Whatever happens, there is always a pathway if you want it hard enough, and to be honest, this is my greatest fear, that I will give up, as I know how lazy I am, and how easily I settle, that I will not be “resilient” as Rebecca so aptly described, because traits like this are of so much more value than a 99.95 – they are there with you for life!
I’m not sure any of that made sense, but I have to go study for economics, have a lovely days guys
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Makes perfect sense hscgirl.
Best of luck with the Economics exam.
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Bec….you were one gorgeous senior !
Had we been in the same year, at the same school I would have sold my soul to the Devil to have you accept my invitation to escort you to the end of year formal.
Flowers, chocolate, limo all included as part of the invitation package.
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About a decade ago, I got a UAI (not sure what it’s called these days) of 97.2. The parental pressure was immense. My dad’s response to my mark was “well, those last few marks you missed would have been for all the times you tried to study while watching television”. I kid you not.
I’ve now been studying law by distance for a couple of years and it has taken a while to let go of the attitude that anything less than a distinction is a failure, but I’m finally there. I got my lowest mark ever last semester and it actually meant more than the higher ones, a) because the subject was really hard, and b) because for the first time in my life I didn’t let a school mark define my personal worth.
Despite the parental pressure and a great HSC mark, my first career was a bit of a fizzer. Second time around, I’m doing it on my own terms and feeling great about it.
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Best piece of advice I ever got for mature age students… P’s (passes) mean degrees!!
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I’m a teacher and I spent 30 minutes today calming down a Year 12 student who was an absolute mess. She’s actually doing really well but is a perfectionist and what she does is never enough (for her). Everyone else is so proud of her but she can’t see it because she’s so caught up in the ‘number.’
I have been telling her and her classmates all year that they are not numbers!! If they do their best, then that’s all anyone can ask. It’s enough!
There are a million ways to get into courses and, you know what, so many kids end up hating their first preference and they switch courses after their first year of uni.
Good luck all students reading this, and remember: You are NOT a number!
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13 years ago, I failed year 12. All of it. I worked full-time in a number of jobs, travelled, worked in London for several years, owned my own business, and then decided to go to uni. I sat the mature-age entry test 5 years ago. Today I’m doing a PhD. I’d love to tell those young kids who put so much stress on themselves that there are SO many other options in life. Test scores don’t mean much in the grand scheme of life.
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my daughter is currently sitting her HSC & I’d only be disappointed if she got a mystery mark. An ATAR, any ATAR will be gratefully received & celebrated!
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One year ago, this was me. But now I can’t even remember my ATAR, or any of my exam marks. I wish somebody had told me that as I was doing exams, it would have been a lot less stressful!
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I’m doing the HSC (finished English Paper 2 today – woo!) and I want to get into UTS for Public Communications, ATAR of 91.5. Of course, my second choice is UOW Media & Communications, ATAR of 65. I know that even if I don’t get into UTS, I will still be able to go to a uni that I will love and will enjoy my time there and have heaps of opportunities after I finish my degree.
Of course, I’ll still be quite upset if I don’t get above at least 85. I’ll deserve it if my ATAR isn’t that good because I only got my shit together a couple of days ago.
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Alice, you’ll be fine. You’ve used correct spelling and punctuation in your post.
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Go Alice!
I thought I’d share this with you as well: a few years ago a friend of mine wanted to get into UTS and didn’t have the ATAR required for his course. So he changed his preferences (I think to a BComm at UTS), got in and was able to transfer into the degree he wanted a year later. Once your at a uni (any uni really) you can always apply to transfer to another degree. So you always have options.
Good luck with the rest of the exams. It sounds like you have the right approach so I’m sure you’ll do really well
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I don’t want to be one of those kids who transfers in cos they couldn’t get the ATAR on the first try. Plus, I don’t want to be the awkward new kid. And in my opinion, where you go to uni doesn’t matter as long as you get good internships and get good connections through internships. I plan to work my ass off at internships and enjoy my time at whatever uni I’m lucky enough to get into!
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The thing is, that even if you do need to transfer in, nobody really needs to know. Uni is very different to high school. It can be very anonymous, people come and go, and you will find such a range of ages in each class because of people’s life experiences that mean they started uni later.
If you look at the statistics – in Victoria anyway – the number of people getting into uni courses straight from year 12 is decreasing – with the number of people getting in afterwards increasing. Some courses have the majority of their cohort not being school leavers.
Good luck!
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Twin Mum is spot on. Uni isn’t like school where everyone starts together and ends together – people come and go all the time. Also lots of the friends/contacts you make at uni may not be in your course, so it’s not necessarily a disadvantage to transfer in.
Sometimes the students who do the best at university are those with a little extra experience or maturity, not necessarily the ones with the highest score out of high school.
Good luck!!!
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I was the only one in my family at the time to complete Grade 12! So no pressure from my folks when it came to my HSC. They were just proud I was commited to complete it (I was too scared to venture in the big bad world in all honesty – plus it wasn’t cool to leave before Grade 12 in my day). I never even did the tests to get me into Uni. I wasn’t going. My parents couldn’t afford it. I just wanted a job and start making a living to pay my way in life. I guess different people have different ambitions. Good luck to the next generation of Grade 12er’s.
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Finally!! Someone on the same page as me.
I think i have expressed my HSC opinion on every social network i have from Facebook & twitter to a post of Tumblr:
http://kisskissmygoodnamegoodbye.tumblr.com/post/33293024494/hsc-vce-bullshit
I have never gotten so many response from one topic status or blog post ever… all from students doing there HSC!
Honestly in short from all those posts i wrote, the same message i say is the same as the message of this article:
You will not be a success or a failure in life based on your year 12 final grades.
I personally got not the best grades in my HSC which was only 2 years ago and for the record i normally scored high 80s all subjects but had a bad year… however i am successful in my life.
I have achieved goals such as moving to a different state alone, working at high end accounting firm and have a law/criminology degree lined up for next year.
Did you know most university courses only ask for above 50% in English as a prerequisite and have a certain allocated number for high school leavers, mature age students and direct applications.
so ATTENTION STUDENTS:
Just remember the next few weeks are just exams,
That’s it!
It’s not some life or death test, it’s just exams! You can study & stress & freak out all you want but at the end of the day in 10 years time you will look back and think “wow did they even matter, why did I stress so much”
Careers are not just made from this short period of time in which
you call HSC/VCE! Failing or not getting good enough marks doesn’t mean your doomed to a life that goes no where, in the end you determine how you live your life and how you do it! There will be hurdles and tears but you have to pick yourself up again!
So what I’m trying to say is, stay calm in your HSC after all it’s just some exams not the end of the world!
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In a lot of ways my year at high school was an experiment. It was almost twice the size of any preceeding year and as such the school was learning to cope with that many students as we were going through. And they got the odd thing wrong, like putting so much pressure on us in year 12 that 2 people attempted suicide and at least 20 people (that I know of) were on anti-depressants – out of a year of 120. Following my year they implemented a whole new program for managing stress including a parental education program, but I will never forget the extreme pressure we were all under. I got to uni and was so relieved that it was so much easier than high school.
I do believe that you need to work hard. Learning good study techniques and discipline is great. But on the other hand some perspective needs to be maintained. After all a friend of mine who was basically told she would fail and shouldn’t even sit the exams because it would negatively affect the schools over rating (yup I’m serious) is the most amazing international aid worker now.
So I will be telling my kids work hard, try your very best, but don’t think your life depends on that one mark.
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Would you consider naming that school??
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No because it was 15 years ago and things have changed a lot since then. However I will say it was an elite private girls school in Canberra, most people will be able to guess from there.
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Hmmm. Think I have an almost identical photo circa 87 (loved that maroon uniform…). At the time my TE score was everything but really it’s a stepping stone. Many of my friends transitioned to completely different uni courses by graduation. I learned much more from my failures than the exams I did well in- resilience and persistence for starters.
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So true. I remember when my sister finished her VCE, she was bitterly disappointed with her score which was somewhere in the 70s.
She used to read Patricia Cornwell books and loved what her character did – profiling, psych stuff I recall. I honestly believe my sister felt her dreams and aspirations were shot with her results. But she persevered. She started studying science as an undergrad, went onto postgrad psych and a couple of years ago finished her doctorate in forensic psych. She has worked her arse off and now works in the prison system assessing hardened crims. And she loves it.
As far as I’m concerned your year 12 results don’t define who you are or what you’re capable of.
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that is what i’m looking at studying. i am glad she got her dreams, i hope i can achieve them too
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I struggle to believe that it is seven years since I was sitting my HSC. In some ways it feels like just a couple of years ago and in others it feels like a lifetime ago. I do remember very vividly the stress I put on myself. I had at least two breakdowns that year.
When I got my results I was mostly happy. They weren’t as high as I’d wanted, but I was relieved that they were still in the “range” I’d hoped for. I had options when it came to universities and, the only time I was ever really asked about my UAI was at the start of uni. I studied in QLD though, so it wasn’t even applicable.
It was then I got a glimpse of something that became even more true after uni: your marks don’t make you. Part of me wanted to do better in the HSC, and it was that drive that led me to excel in uni. But by the time I finished uni (with results I’ll admit to being proud of), I realised it wasn’t the numbers that drove me any more – it was about what I wanted. I wanted to give 100% in everything, but I also realised the numbers might not always reflect that. Who I am is not necessarily what markers are looking for.
You know what else? I’ve had work in my industries ever since uni, and no one (to my recollection) has ever asked about my high school or uni grades. I’m proud I tried hard, and that is enough.
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My parents put a lot of pressure on my during the HSC, as did my school. I went to a private school where they worked us really hard and 60% of us got a UAI (now ATAR) above 90. In all honesty I think the HSC is overrated- working SO SO hard just to get into a course. I just finished my Arts degree and i did nowhere near as much work as I did at school.
But anyway, during HSC I topped the year in music and came second in the year in Ancient History- I’m quite proud of that as they were my favourite subjects
And a final note- the ATAR is defintitely not a measure of intelligence
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While I agree with you to an extent, there are other paths to get where you’ve gone. I’m 31 now. I’m in a completely different career from the one I studied for at 18. I went back to uni and at that point my grades in highschool were irrelevant!
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I was super stressed doing my HSC – I was going to be a musician and actually gave myself an over-use injury through too many hours of practice, and crippled myself and had to have a helper writing my exams – which didn’t help my marks.
But you know what? I’ve NEVER been asked what my HSC marks were. I got into uni when I wanted to many years later on the basis on life experience, not some magical piece of paper.
I didn’t become a musician – life turned out very differently from what I could have imagined at 17 – and the HSC stress really wasn’t worth anything in the end.
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There is THAT day when you reformat your resume and drop off where you went to high school and your VCE results……….:-)
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The meanest, bitchiest, most popular who like to pick on others in school, generally go the least far in life.
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I think the importance of your grades depends on how you would measure success in your life. If your measure of success is going to university and having the sort of career that requires a lot of post-high school education, then they matter. Otherwise they are less important.
For me, doing well in school was a way to leave behind the small town I grew up in (and where I never really felt that I fitted in), and a path to the career I wanted. I did well enough at school that I was able to skip year 10, and get a full scholarship to a university that offered an accelerated degree program. Doing well in my BCom/LLB meant that I won a scholarship to do an LLM at the same university, and I managed to finish it all within 4 years.
Now at age 22 I am about to be admitted as a solicitor and have been working in my dream job for nearly a year. Because of the path that I chose, my grades mattered, and I am happy with my choices in spite of all the hard work they required me to put in.
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Scrapped through high school, dropped out in Yr 11, dropped back in for Yr 12, in the end I got the lowest possible score which enabled me to say I at least passed Yr 12…..today I have a PhD in Neuropsychology and a reasonably successful academic career.
Still think you should give it your all when you are doing it but realise that it ain’t the be all and end all….and neither is Uni by the way.
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Hey twomummies, I also have a PhD in neuropsych. Just got a bit excited there because there are so few of us around! I also got mine in a round about manner… are you in Vic? I’m just wondering if I know you. (A simple yes/no is fine, or feel free to ignore me. Swear I won’t stalk you. I’m too busy juggling my job, other career as a writer, kids and everything else…)
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We tend to be pretty rare
I trained here in Adelaide. Don’t practice clinically as I found I was profoundly unsuited to clinical work…..couldn’t handle the boredom of repeatedly testing TBI cases and also couldn’t handle the heartache of the clientele….mostly young people damaged for life. So it’s a research life for me
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Ugh- I wrote a reply to this that hasn’t showed up. Mods??? (Thanks)
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Sorry twomummies, I replied to you two days ago but it never showed up. Just briefly, I totally understand re TBI- that’s what my first student placement was in and I remember thinking “I could never do THIS”. Paediatrics was next, which wasn’t much better! I found my niche in dementia and work in a memory clinic (CDAMS) setting doing differential diagnosis of early memory loss- it’s very interesting and intellectually challenging, not quite as heartbreaking (though there are definitely sad moments) and rewarding in that I get to help families get some answers, then come to terms with a diagnosis and plan for the future. All that said, I only do it 2 days a week (and write for 3). there are only so many times you can administer Block Design in this life
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I think results do matter.
I did extremely well throughout my schooling, except for Year 12. I was just so, so bored and frustrated with the level of work I couldn’t stand it anymore, so I basically just gave up. I started writing essays 15 minutes before I handed them in. I didn’t study once. I still got average marks, but that wasn’t good enough to get into any uni courses that would have actually held my attention. Living in the country, going to uni was a huge expense. I knew I’d be bored and that in my current mind-set I either wouldn’t do well or would quit, and I couldn’t waste every cent I had and a big chunk of my parents money knowing that. So I didn’t go.
Worked dead-end jobs for years with the goal of travelling, but everytime I was close to booking plane tickets my car would break down, or I’d need major dental works and so on. So travelling never happened. 15 years on I finally saved enough cash to make going to uni possible. I’m now doing well, but I’m so behind most people my age. I earn good money these days, but I doubt I’ll ever be able to say, buy any kind of property. Retirement is going to be a major, major issue because I’ve missed out on about 15 years of getting decent super. Taking a break to go travel isn’t feasible given my position and I’ll no doubt be far too old to really enjoy it by the time I retire.
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I love this piece Bec- I’ll be keeping it to show my kids. I sort of it did it backwards myself- got great HSC marks, but dropped out of medicine at Melb uni two weeks into term 1 to do Arts. It was a gut thing. EVERYONE said I was mad and that I’d regret it, would regret “throwing away my marks”. Have I? 26 years later, not for a second.
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Thanks for sharing Kylie – it’s reminded me how important it is to really listen to your gut, even if you can’t make sense of it at the time and everyone is telling you otherwise.
I think we all have our own path to follow, and there’s no definitive “right” way. That’s one thing I got from my year 12 English area of study: sometimes it’s as much or more about the journey than the destination.
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I love hearing that story, Kylie!
My husband Brad did journalism but at the age of 30 realised that he’d always wanted to be a doctor. So he started the degree when he was 30. He even had to go back and do one high school subject he was missing.
Life is not about making one perfect decision after another … it’s all about having different experiences, meeting people and finding out what your strengths are.
xxxx
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How is your hubby going in his studies Bec?
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Hear, hear Bec…. and you know my story re my mum and going back to uni to start medicine aged 42. It’s never too late, and there’s almost always a way. Did not knlow that about Brad- bravo for him! x
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Kylie, I did a similar thing only for me it was dropping law to do teaching. Never ever regretted it. My close friend also got great marks. She wanted to do kindergarten teaching but was talked out of it by her parents and teachers. She went on to have a career in finance that she absolutely hated!
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The only effect my Yr 12 grades have had is that my mother STILL (13 years later) uses them to point out that I could have got better grades if I’d studied harder. For the record, she’s right. But I knew what I was going to do well in advance of those exams, and to me, ‘wasting time’ on chem and biol just wasn’t worth it when I could have been practising.
My husband was a smart kid, but hated school. He failed Yr 11 because he never showed up, then got halfway through the second shot before leaving. He is now halfway through a Masters degree (albeit with a lot of academic support from me, because he never developed good study or memory skills). Just goes to show…Yr 12 means not a lot if you have an ultimate goal or a Plan B…or C…or Z.
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To be honest I gave my parents a bit of a hard time during my high school years and was one of those kids that really needed a push to stay focused. I really don’t know how it would have turned out if I didn’t have my parents, especially my mum pushing me to do my best. I was a bit up and down in my subjects, some I absolutely loved and did well in and others I couldn’t care less about. In the middle of year 12 an incident occured that made me lose total focus and basically resulted in me not scoring high enough to get into the uni course I wanted to. Instead I did a year of another course, this time making sure I had good results and then transfered to my chosen degree and it was a pretty easy transition.
So even though I don’t think people should think it’s ok to just not try in high school because in the end it won’t matter, I think there shouldn’t be so much pressure on students to have the perfect score or to make it into their chosen uni/course straight out of high school.
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No impact whatsoever.
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My high school grades have made diddly squat to my life! I know they are hugely important to some people whose university and career paths depend on a certain result.
I wish that I had chosen different subjects to study in high school. I chose my subjects because that’s what my friends were studying. All the sciences. I did pretty well in those subjects but I’m almost certain I would have done better at other subjects. And that other subjects would have been more useful to me.
I look at the things that I have done since high school and the great jobs I’ve had and not once have I had to draw on my knowledge of Nitrogen, calculus or the bio-mechanics of the human body.
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