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A few months ago, Mamamia Publisher Mia Freedman wrote about the things you should and shouldn’t say to someone battling a dire health situation. “Everything will be OK” fell on the list of things not to say, while “no need to write back” landed on the list of things you should say.

This is a response to that article from Denis Wright. Denis is one of those sick people whom the article refers to – he has a malignant brain tumor. Denis wrote this post on his blog and it is republished here with full permission.

He writes:

“Do you agree with this?” wrote a friend yesterday who referred me to this site.

It was about what to say and what not to say to seriously ill people you are visiting.

I read it, and then passed it on to Tracey, without offering an opinion on it myself.

“What do you think of this?” I asked her.

To put you in the picture, if you’re not already aware of it, I am one of the people to whom the article applies. I have a malignant brain tumour; a deadly one, which by all medical histories, is not going to go away.

But I am fortunate to have quite a few friends and former colleagues who visit me.

When we compared notes verbally, it turns out Tracey’s views are pretty much the same as mine, and neither of us agree with everything in the excerpts. A lot of it is right according to our views, but some things I have quite strong reservations about.

Here’s what was said (and I thank Mia Freedman wholeheartedly for bringing this matter up):

Bruce Feiler author of “The Council of Dads: A Story of Family, Friendship and Learning How to Live”, recently shared an excerpt of his book in The New York Times. Bruce had bone cancer; he also had 3-year-old twins, a working wife, nine months of chemotherapy and 15 hours of reconstructive surgery to deal with. When someone asked his advice on how to handle a mutual friend’s brain tumour, he came up with a list of things not to say to someone battling a dire health situation:

1. “What can I do to help?” (Don’t ask, be proactive).

My response: I don’t agree. It is not necessary to be proactive unless you are certain what it is that they need or want. For me to expect proactivity is often asking too much of the friend, who is probably already aware of their own limited knowledge of the circumstances. If they think I expect proactivity, it may even keep them away.

Asking sincerely what you can do to help is fine, when you don’t know what you can do that will help. It could be that your ‘proactive’ help creates more problems than it solves, however well meaning it may be.

2. “My thoughts and prayers are with you” (A tired cliché)

My response: I don’t agree. These words, sincerely meant, are perfectly valid and appreciated by me, regardless of my personal views on religion or particular religions. I find this being referred to as a “tired cliché” quite offensive to the sincere views of the well-wisher.

I have had Christians, Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists AND a Wiccan all tell me that I am in their prayers. I am grateful for those, fully accepting of them and absolutely respect their intention.

Likewise – and often it comes from people who are not religious – to be told I am in someone’s thoughts is an uplifting experience and one I value greatly.

3. “Did you try that mango colonic I recommended?” (Leave treatment advice to the doctors)

I’m fairly much in agreement with this one, although I don’t mind in the least someone referring me to possible treatments and giving me the opportunity to consider their merits. But suggesting I should be ‘trying’ something they’ve chanced across which could totally stuff up my current treatment…. no, don’t do that. Do it only if it’s cured you personally of my terminal condition, and you can provide all the evidence!

4. “Everything will be OK.” (You don’t know that)

Agreed. That is a totally pointless, meaningless and even insulting thing to say. BUT… sometimes people say things like that when they really mean, “I wish that things would be OK” – and a seriously ill person should always be prepared to accept such well-meant slip-ups with good grace. Hell, before I got this thing I wouldn’t be surprised if I had blurted out something inappropriate myself to others with serious illness, especially if caught on the hop by it, so one has to allow some leeway.

5. “How are we today?” (Sick people aren’t mentally diminished infants)

Well, true enough, put in that patronising way, but being asked how I am feeling when a friend meets me after some time seems pretty normal to me. They better be prepared for comments about how I really am feeling though, if the question is sincere….

From my own experience, and what I’ve seen and read, people in my category are happy to be very frank about their illness, so don’t shy away from asking anything if you want sincerely to know. Naturally, I reserve the right to answer it or not, but you can be fairly sure you’ll get a straight answer. Not that the ill person always has an answer.

6. “You look great.” (Don’t focus on externals).

Again, it all depends on the sincerity of the compliment. It is a great irony in my case that my face does look better than it did three years ago, and I’ll tell you why.

I was living then on about five/six hours sleep a night, which I’d done for many years. I was rather proud of that in a dumb way, but one time I fixed a videocam in place for an event we were filming and crossed in front of it and looked back at the lens, so it recorded my face looking into the camera.

After I was diagnosed with a brain tumour and began treatment, I was sleeping much more. People visiting me subsequently would often tell me how much better my face looked (always a back-handed compliment, but never mind….)

By accident one day after months of treatment for my illness, I came across this tiny clip of before-diagnosis video that had caught my face staring into the camera, and I was shocked at how weary, strained and lined my face looked. Before I got sick!

I too had got used to my ‘new’ unlined face with much less prominent frown and bags under my eyes.

So it just might be that you DO look better, even though you might not be feeling that way. Why should one assume insincerity?

Still, the author is right to suggest not to focus on externals.

On this last point, one of my friends had stomach cancer when she was younger and lost a lot of weight during treatment. She works in fashion and I vividly recall how colleagues would say, “You look fantastic”. Even when they knew why she was so thin. Maybe they thought it would cheer her up. It simply made her upset.

I guess it could, but that’s because her perspective was quite different, and it’s sad that she didn’t realise they were probably telling it exactly as it was from theirs, unless she knew they were not being sincere.

But OK, I can see where she’s coming from, especially in that industry.

Meanwhile, Bruce Feiler’s list of things you should say includes:

1. “No need to write back” (Keeping up with correspondence can be overwhelming)

I very much agree with this one. People often write, and ask a long series of questions. They are doing it out of genuine interest, I’m sure. I really don’t mind the questions, but I do reserve the right to decide how, what and when I’ll reply to them.

To be told there’s no need to write back is comforting, as long as I can believe it’s sincere. Given I have only one typing hand, some friends can have no idea what they are asking of me if they expect full answers – much as I would like to give them.

That tension between answering and not answering can be very frustrating for me, because it looks like I don’t value their friendship and concern, and nothing could be further from the truth.

The irony here is that most of the answers to “how are things going?” questions can be found right here on my blog in the WHAT’S NEW! section. I know a blog is impersonal but corners have to be cut. If you’ve read that section and still have questions, that’s fine. Ask away. I really appreciate knowing that the person has checked with the blog first.

2. “I should be going now” (Short visits are best)

Very, very true. I love visits by friends but become very animated because it’s so enjoyable, but they can take a lot out of me. The best friends are those who keep their visits shortish – but, do believe me if I tell you to stay a little longer. If it is time to go, I won’t say that, and don’t be offended if I readily agree with you that the timing is right. Tiredness can hit very quickly, no matter how close a friend you are.

If you feel visiting is your duty or a task, and not a pleasure, then please stay away. We’ll both be happier if you do.

3. “Would you like some gossip?” (Distraction is helpful)

Yes!! Nothing like hearing some good gossip (or common-interest discussion)! Housebound as I am, it’s amazing what things I don’t get to see and hear, especially on the local scene.

Gossip is great – though remember it’s a two-way process. There’s no need to fill momentary silences. Occasionally friends have left and I haven’t had a chance to say or ask what I would like to!

4. “I love you” or “I’m sorry you have to go through this” (Honest expression of emotions are a powerful gift).

Yes. Well said. No need for me to embellish that.

I sent his article to several girlfriends at various stages of their health battles – some in the middle, others out the other side – and they agreed with every point.

As you see, I don’t agree with some of what’s said, and it would be wrong to assume agreeing with “every point” is how every seriously ill person feels.

You will note there’s one word that runs through this whole thing. Sincerity. You know what? That’s all I ask, really. I know that it can be terribly hard to know what to say, and every person (patient or visitor) is different. What may be a negative trigger for some has the opposite effect on others.

So if you’re visiting someone – or being visited – do think about these things, and don’t expect to get it perfectly right. No-one should be expected to be. If you’re the ill person, visitors have as much right to courtesy in what can be very difficult circumstances for them as do those being visited.

Just be sincere.

Denis Wright is a former historian in Asian studies, comparative religions, movie-maker and observer of the world as we have changed it. He’s now dealing with a GBM (4): the most aggressive form of brain tumour. He blogs here and aims to use the experience to try to illuminate life as well as demystify the journey.

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27 Comments so far

  1. mkdavies10

    I love this article. I am a young mother (with 2 young children) and have been diagnosed with Melanoma in my Liver & Lung. I have felt nothing but overwhelmed by the support and offers that come my way. I have also learnt that sometimes you just need to accept things from people and also let them know when you have had enough. People do say strange things (as mentioned in the article) but i also think it is there way of saying something when they don’t know what to say. They think you don’t want them to cry and say “It’s not fair”, so they say “You’ll be fine, your strong”. I am strong but its still not fair. I also find that i use every bit of energy trying to appear strong to visitors, in order to protect them from what im feeling or going through, but why should i have to.
    All in all through all this though the support i have been given and have felt is amazing and it really gives me faith in humanity. I have also found that people you would least expect have reached out.

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  2. jennafelicity

    To all the Mamamia team,

    I absolutely love that you all are so open minded: just because you publish one post, it doesn’t necessarily reflect all the team’s – and the world’s – views, and you are so willing to publish pieces that counter your own for the sake of sharing differing opinions, like this one.

    I feel your ethos of accepting other opinions and not being judgmental seeping more and more into my everyday life, and for that, I want to say a big thank you!

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  3. Hello from hospital.

    Great post and I couldn’t agree more. I spent over a year in hospital 24/7 (the first time) and have returned many times since. Short visits are great and I won’t be offended if you keep it short. I live vicariously through my visitors so hearing abour your ‘mundane or trivial’ life is actually quite exciting. I’d much rather talk about your laundry than my upcoming surgery.

    Most of all, please don’t try and convince me that some herbal tea or a statue beside my hospital bed will ‘cure me’ – it’s insulting.

    Also, hospital food isn’t THAT bad :)

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  4. Loulee

    A few years ago my mum had a heart attack. She was in hospital recovering after surgery and it was late at night. Suddenly out of the darkness came a large bearded man. She was shocked and a bit scared. She had no idea who it was until he told her: “Hello Aunty, it’s me, Ryan.” Her brother’s son who she had not seen for years. He was working at the hospital as security staff and thought it would a great idea to just pop in. This particular extended family member had always been a very odd bod but this took the cake. It’s a wonder she didn’t have another heart attack! Some people have no idea whatsoever.

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  5. Dotti

    I am caring for my husband who is going through treatment for cancer as I type. The one thing I would like from his friends is please, please, please don’t pop over right on dinner time. This has happened a few times now and when you turn a dinner invite down, it means I feel as if I can’t have dinner either.

    Don’t get me wrong – your love and support is hugely appreciated and my husband loves seeing you all. Please come and visit any other time or if you do come at dinner time, pick up a pizza on the way over and I will love you forever.

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  6. pamela311

    I have a very good friend who just had breast cancer surgery and I haven’t rushed over to see her yet. I guess I know from past experiences in dealing with family who had cancer, that stepping back sometimes is the way to go. My friend has been home a week now and I’m going to call in tomorrow with a homecooked meal in a throw away container, stay for half an hour and then leave.

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  7. girlfriday67

    Dear Denis, thank you so much for opening this up for all of us, and thank you MM for posting it. It is a clear reminder that we should all be a little more considerate of the suffering of those around us, and not to be so darn introspective and ego-centric, thinking our little world is the only one that matters!

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  8. Bryter

    “I popped a home-cooked meal in the fridge for you. No rush to get the plate back to me.”

    “We wanted to cheer your mum up. Could we pop over with morning tea on Tuesday? We’ll bring cakes and tea.”

    “I hope you like these flowers. I saw them in my garden and thought you would enjoy them by your bed.”

    When I was caring for my terminally ill mum, I always found it lovely that her friends would make meals or ring ahead to organise visits (but also bring goodies and not expect to be waited on). Dropping off flowers from their gardens was beautiful.

    Everyone is different, but I always found visitors who didn’t know when to leave to be the most difficult. Particularly in the hospital. If you’ve never visited someone in their home, it’s a step too far to “pop into” the hospital, especially when the patient is in their PJs, having tests, feeling dreadful, doesn’t have strength to make small talk, etc, etc. Making a meal or sending a bunch of flowers is much more appropriate.

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  9. Oopsyboops

    One thing you can take from all of this is that everybody is different, but that being there is important to everybody.

    I never realised how important saying “I’ll be thinking of you” was. But hearing that really means a lot to me after my (benign) brain tumour diagnosis. The emotional support I’ve received has been wonderful and helps greatly.

    I was thinking yesterday about the offers of help and being proactive. We have received so many offers of help, especially to look after the kids. However we are not the sort of people to willingly accept help. And for me, I can feel great one day and awful the next. I don’t like to ask people to be on standby and to inconvenience themselves, that would make me more upset than just getting on with it ourselves.

    Having said that, if someone came to our front door and told me to take a nap while they watched the kids; I would gratefully accept. Or someone to come and mow the lawn for hubby (who has been wonderful but some things around the house are slipping). We have only had one friend bring around a meal, and that would be great too.

    So for us, people being proactive would be wonderful as I just don’t feel like I could ask for help.

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    • girlfriday67

      Dear Oopsyboops, if I was there, I’d turn up and mind your kids while you napped. Sorry no-one has done that for you, or thought to mow the lawn for your hubby, who of course is managing a lot too. I do wish you all the best (meant in the genuine sincerity approved of by Denis, as above) Hugs.

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      • Oopsyboops

        aww thanks. Sorry for my little whinge above. I know this a (mostly) anonymous forum so I can tee hee but I just wouldn’t say to anyone “please come over”. I know there may be a time when we need to do that, and I won’t hesitate then. At the moment we are just keeping our heads above water.

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  10. the Original Camille

    i once told an acquaintance they looked great (bc she had lost so much weight.) Her face fell. I got a hunch and said “oh no, have you lost weight in a bad way?” she nodded. “I’m really sorry to hear that”. I hope that I repaired the initial hurt I caused.
    Also, I think that people who have lost a lot of weight don’t like to hear they look great bc it implies that looked terrible before.

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  11. Faybian

    Im not a religious person, but someone asking if they can pray for me, has never been offensive to me. Sometimes a simple I’m sorry this has happened is enough.
    I read your blog Denis, I’m glad the avastin is working currently.nhopefully that continues for as long as possible.

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  12. Lil

    My thoughts and prayers are with you. Thank you for sharing your perspective and for understanding that people don’t always know what to say in a difficult situation.

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  13. elli

    OK, I’ve followed some of these Dos & Donts in various circumstances and broken others.

    “How are you?” If I’m asked this I will give a truthful answer and I only ask it when wanting the same. I bumped into a patient of my boss’s recently at the shops; knowing she’s on chemo I asked her and she told me.

    “You look well.” Guilty. Her reply to ‘How are you’ was that she’s feeling great and doing well; I meant the ‘looking well’ comment as my agreement with that and hope that she continues to do well.

    Proactivity: My late father was once taken to hospital by ambulance early one morning. That afternoon a neighbour who must have seen the commotion dropped in a freshly baked quiche. We wouldn’t have thought of asking for this, but Mum was so appreciative of not having to think about dinner.

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    • anon

      That last story about your parents’ neighbour was so lovely. What a thoughtful thing to do.

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  14. kathl29

    Thank you for your wonderful article Denis. My husband was diagnosed with a malignant brain tumour in June last year so I can relate completely to your article particularly the short visits, keeping the treatment suggestions to the experts and most importantly sincerity.

    We would much prefer someone said to us that they were not sure what to say rather than either a) stop having any contact with us or b) say some platitude like it is all going to be ok. As you know with brain tumours it is not that simple.

    In another post this week I touched on having food brought round when someone is on chemo and this links into the idea of not being too proactive. In our case due to the chemo for the brain tumour my husband has to be on a tyramine restricted diet and therefore he cannot eat a lot of the meals that have been made for us. He also finds the smell of hot/cooking food makes him very nauseous so when he is having treatment we eat a lot of cold food to avoid this trigger.

    We found it was much more helpful for people to buy groceries which we could then use as needed as due to the amount of time we spend at the hospital it is difficult to find the time to get to the supermarket.

    All the best with your treatment and again it was wonderful to read an article from someone who is going through what we are. Cancer can be quite a lonely, isolating experience at times (more so brain tumours as it is not one of the cancers that receives a lot of media attention) particularly as we are only in our 30′s and everyone in oncology waiting rooms always seem so much older. But on the plus side we have learnt what is really important in life and how much you learn to value the little things.

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  15. Sprocket

    Thank you for this article. My father was told this week that he will be starting chemo. He is really very upset and tries to keep a stiff upper lip but it is obviously very hard. He has lost so much weight and energy already and I know he is worried about the chemo working and it’s side effects too. I feel so useless. I have been trying to visit as often as they want me but I just wish I could do more to help.

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  16. M

    My Mum died last year of a brain tumour. During that time my sister would get SO angry at the things people would say. I know there were a lot of other emotions tied up with it, but one day I said to her, if this was happening to one of your friends, would you know the perfect thing to say? It stopped her in her tracks and she was a little more forgiving after that. We all do the best we can, we don’t always get it right, but in the end it comes down to your sincere intentions.

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  17. OssieLeo

    Thank you Dennis for writing this and I do hope everything works out for the best for you and your family. I agree with your comment about sincerity and not expecting people to always be proactive. I talk from personal experience that it means a lot when people show they care for you and ask if there is anything I need. When I was badly injured in a car accident, friends were wonderful in bringing food over and it really was appreciated but it would have been better if they asked how they can help, as I would have asked them to take my sons for a play or even a stay over, asked if they can do a load of laundry etc..

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  18. Loulee

    Thanks Denis for this post. It’s good to hear your insights. My mum is terminally ill and I love it when my friends say that we are in their thoughts. I try to be there and help mum and dad as much as I can every week but it is hard to get them to accept help as they are hanging on to their independence while they can. I can understand that and respect that. The comfort of the daily routines is nice.

    What I love most is just spending time with mum. Talking and laughing. Someone said to me a while ago enjoy these times when you can just talk and enjoy their company as it will be an awfully long time when they aren’t there.

    There have been lots of extended family coming out of the woodwork wanting to come and visit. But mum just doesn’t have the energy. And she’s always been a great hostess and worries about what she will give visitors to eat or drink etc. This is so exhausting for her. I can’t believe people don’t understand that.

    I had a great coup last week when mum decided to go to the shop with my sister to get some milk so I offered to clean up after lunch. It gave me the opportunity to clean the kitchen and tidy up. She called me later to say thanks. I was so happy to be able to help!

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  19. Jen

    As someone who’s been on both ends of needing help and wanting to help, I think that asking what you can do is indeed a waste of time!

    Very few are going to then list what would actually help them. A message saying “What night suits best for a meal drop off?” is far better than the standard “let me know if you need anything”.

    And Amen to not making your visits long. For the love of God remember this!!!! When you’re sick you just don’t have the energy or inclination to entertain. Love the short visit rule.

    At the end of the day there often just isn’t a right thing to say or do. I’m a firm believer in just saying this. Letting someone know that you are thinking of them is often enough. Saying it by text can be great too. You know you are thought of but don’t have the pressure of having to chat :)

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  20. Annieb25

    Thank you Denis. It is great to hear what is needed from someone in that very position. I’m sorry that you have such a terrible condition.

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  21. Tulipgirl

    Great post Denis. I agree with the “sincerity” comment. I have a severe chronic illness (that appears to be going through a good patch :) ) and have had all of the above and more said to me. I really don’t like being hounded to try some wacky new treatment – mention it, leave it with me, and move on! I also don’t being told I’m looking well because then I feel like I can’t say I’m not well that day – but I’m well aware that that is partly my paranoia of people thinking I’m lazy or malingering!

    I find with people asking what they can do to help, that I find to hard to ask for something as I’m not sure if it’s more than they were thinking. I like it when people do a combination – such as asking, “Can I get you anything at Woollies when I go today?” or “How about I drop in dinner tonight?” or “You sound like it’s a tough day, how about I come over and get that washing/cooking/cleaning up done?”. That’s just me though.

    Also, I found that I quickly developed the ability to tell the difference between someone saying something not-so-helpful with good intentions and someone saying something malicious or that shows they thought I was lazy/malingering/should-be-doing-or-handling-things-differently. I can respond with a smile to the former, the latter tends to get a bitey response or no response at all depending on my mood.

    A lovely friend of mine read a list like this once and contacted me to make sure she’d never done/said anything stupid or been insensitive. I had to laugh (not to/at her) because out of all my friends, she’d been the most help, least insensitive etc etc!

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    • Zelicat

      That’s my thoughts too tulip girl – I ask if I can help with specific help. Can I take the kids for a couple if hours/ overnight, can I get you anything at the shops/ are there any errands I can do etc. I think people know these things are sincerely offered, and you don’t feel overwhelmed by a request that might be difficult for you to do…

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