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stephanie payne Imagine being called fat pig. Every day.

Stephanie Payne (picture: Nicole Cleary)

I knew there was trouble the moment I saw them. A group of boys. A pack. On the other side of the road.

Predictably it started with wolf-whistles. Then, “What a beast!”   And ended with words like ‘pig’ and ‘fat slut’ being hurled like hand grenades at us across the street.

I say ‘us’ but the truth is the insults weren’t directed at me. They were directed at my friend Sonja* – a colleague of mine from my days working in PR in London in the 90s.  Sonja and I bonded over our love of Ronan Keating (don’t judge me). She was a truly deplorable cook. Fluent in Spanish.  Generous as the day is long.  She had awesome taste in music and terrible taste in movies.  And she kicked my ass in Trivial Pursuit more times than I like to recall.  She was, and still is no doubt, the type of girl who lit up a room when she entered it. She was magnetic and hilarious in that Ellen DeGeneres way.

But none of that matters – apparently – because Sonja is obese.

Hearing those boys (did I say boys, I meant tools) yelling filthy insults at her that day I could feel rage curdling my spirit. But Sonja? You’d swear she hadn’t heard it. I would later realise this is how she copes with the abuse she receives as an overweight woman. She blocks it out. Or at least says she does.

Last week 31-year-old Stephanie Payne spoke out about the verbal abuse that is part of daily life catching public transport as an obese person.

“Stephanie Payne, 31, who once weighed 243kg, said she had been the victim of countless unprovoked, hurtful attacks from passengers.

Ms Payne said she caught an early train so she could have a seat without being abused. Fellow passengers have called her a “fat pig”, sometimes in front of her children. It’s been loudly suggested to her that she buy two tickets because she takes up more than one seat.

“It happens to me all the time and up until this point I’ve put up with it,” she said. ”When people tease me, it makes me feel isolated, like I don’t have the right to catch a train.”

I haven’t walked in Stephanie’s shoes but I’ve certainly walked next to them. And let me tell you, it’s not a walk for the faint-hearted.

In a PC-World where it’s frowned upon to even tell an Irish joke for fear of stereotyping an entire nationality – somehow, somehow overweight people are still fair game.  Clearly I can’t speak on behalf of overweight people but I can tell you what it was like hanging out with Sonja.  She was regularly humiliated; made to feel ‘less than’ because of her size.  I remember people muttering, ‘lose some weight’ when they walked past us on the street.  I remember when some guys at a pub thought it was hysterical to pretend to chat her up.  And then there was the time someone made pig sounds as we took our seats in a darkened cinema.  And when she was out of earshot people seemed to think they could make the jokes about her to me.  Hear that? That’s the sound of me not laughing.

I’m not here to discuss the health implications associated with being overweight or whether Stephanie Payne should be forced to buy two tickets for the train since she takes up more than one seat. And this isn’t a post about whether overweight people are “draining” our health system. (Before you roll out that ol’ chestnut, I think you’ll find the majority of us are leaning heavily on our  hospitals and health system thanks to our junk-food-eating, texting and driving, heavy drinking, smoking, sun-baking, drug-taking, sedentary lifestyles. In the US – and I’m going to assume Australia is similar – preventable illness is said to make up 90% of all healthcare costs.)

What this post is about is asking the question: at what point along the line did we all decide that your worth as a person is determined by your physical appearance? When was it accepted that how you look, what you weigh, is the sum total of who you are?

You don’t like ‘fat people’? Fine. Think whatever you like. I’m not a card-carrying member of the Thought Police. But everybody deserves to be treated with respect. You may not like it that my friend Sonja is obese. She might not like it that you listen to Nickelback.

Be a grown up and deal with it.

*name and some details changed to protect identity

Have you ever been made to feel bad about your weight?  What qualities do you bring to the world other than your physical measurements?

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348 Comments so far

  1. Cheryl Sharp

    I have been suffering fat discrimination for years. Everywhere i go restaurants, grocery stores everywhere. I can’t believe how cruel people can be. When people make fun of me i ignore it but sometimes i cry. I am a constant target of discrimination and people make me feel that i don’t deserve to be out in public. I feel hurt, numb that sometimes i don’t even want to go out with my bf but i force myself to because i believe that i do have a right to go out and live life. There will always be people who are going to discriminate fat people but i just have to ignore those people and don’t be afraid to go out and live life no matter what or how often people ridicule me.

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  2. Stop moaning ...

    I see some twit at Human Rights is saying when things aren’t big enough to accommodate fat people that’s ‘environmental discrimination’ …. for crying out loud what planet do these twerps live on, and we are paying them to come out with this rubbish.

    Come on is she going to require all chairs, beds, toilets, plane seats ….. to be reinforced. At the moment furniture is rated between 100-120kgs, so what should it be – come on get real.

    We cannot (and should not) change the world to suit the fat. We didn’t change the world to suit smokers, we put limits on smokers – is the twit at human rights going to say we mustn’t discriminate against those poor smokers – give me a break.

    I have a friend who is 6’8”, he cannot buy clothes off the peg, when he travels he has to buy a business class ticket, in hotels his feet hang over the end of the bed, he cannot change his height, so he accepts those realities, he doesn’t go whining to Human Rights.

    The fat can choose to lose weight, we have to stop the excuses and the enabling of fat. If people want to eat themselves to death that’s their choice, why should we all be expected to pay, if we don’t stop pussy footing around them they will bankrupt us all.

    It’s only a matter of time before someone obese sits on a cafe chair and it breaks under them causing injury and they try to sue the cafe owners.

    We put no-smoking signs up, we need to start putting up signs that say ‘Furniture in this cafe/hotel/motel is rated to 120kgs, if you are over that it’s not safe, if you are over 120kgs and you break it you pay’.

    The main thing I despise about the obese adult is how they abuse their children and grandchildren – I saw one idiot take her 2 and 4 year old grandchildren (one already obese) out to buy breakfast – they came back with a large cream cake each.

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  3. Cal

    Obviously no-one should abused, I get my share of it when I am running or cycling (there really are people who think shouting Run Forest Run is funny) I do what your friend does – ignore it, a bit more difficult to ignore a drink can thrown at me though.

    Fat people think they are special so they are the only ones to cop abuse, there are people out there who are like that to everyone. I don’t whine or complain when I am abused, or harassed, it shouldn’t happen but who would I complain to, and what would they do about it. One obese person I know regularly calls be a skinny bitch …. she pretends it’s a joke, I put it down to passive aggression myself.

    Don’t turn people who make bad life choices into hero’s. She can lose weight if she wants to, in the same way people can stop smoking if they want to – and many do.

    People need to accept the consequences of their choices, making excuses doesn’t help, I am sick of the claims of ‘medical problems’ fat doesn’t make itself.

    How far do we to enable the obese, do we double (or triple) the size of plane, bus and train seats, do we require all furniture to be warrantied to 200kgs, 250kgs, 300kgs or more, do we give all fat people sleep apnoea machines – where does it end.

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  4. John1387

    Very nice site!

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  5. Anna

    People can be so cruel. my husband went through a period of life where he packed on the weight, and so many of his ‘friends’ were ruthless, joking that his rugby shirt looked like it was spray on becos it had got tighter, making comments like ‘oh careful dont let him too close to the pig (on a spit at a party) there’ll be nothing left for anyone else’, etc etc etc. he laughed it off everytime but it made my blood boil and i know he took some of the comments to heart.

    then theres my sister, who is extremely thin for her height. she lost so much weight from stress and going through a bad breakup, and she had ppl joking around that she looked like a drug addict, and often got told that she looked sick.

    sadly, cruel people will find a way to judge you no matter what your size…in my first job in fast food when i was 16 i worked out the back with mostly teenage guys and some of them used to judge the girls that came in to order, one of their favourite names to use was prawn – meaning the girl had a great body but ugly face. used to make me sick, and i always wondered what their judgement of me was behind my back…

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  6. DrSplodge

    I am a medical researcher. I have an honours degree, two post grad degrees and a doctorate. I just might find the cure for cancer. But apparently none of that matters because I am also fat. And not through lack of trying. I eat well and go to the gym every day. It’s just the way it is – I have dealt with it, others obviously haven’t. I am particularly offended by some of the assumptions about fat people. That we are stupid. That we don’t look after ourselves. That we are lazy. Well, that’s not always the case!

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  7. Team Steph

    I am one of Stephanie’s very close friends and have known her for years. Some of the comments here are tainted with ignorance. Obviously you haven’t read about where she’s been and what she’s been doing or how she got there in the first place but most importantly, what she’s doing about it.

    Here’s her blog – read it http://www.movingforwardlookingforward@blogspot.com

    Maybe you’ll think a bit differently about a few things.

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  8. Older and Happier

    I have never felt the need to give feedback on an article before, but this one issue makes me want to share my story and my feelings. I have read the feedback, good and bad. Not too much of a suprise to be honest. Today, at 38 I am overweight, and probably for the first time ‘feel’ overweight – so I am trying to do something about it. In the past, I have be big, I have been smaller – never petite. At 175cm, I was your classic yo-yo dieter and in the past it has always been because I wanted to disappear into what is considered normal – health had very little to do with it. I did not want to be a supermodel – I just wanted to not be seen and commented on. Now, with 2 young, male children, I want to get healthier as I think the older body is not making it easier to get smaller! I also want to give a different example to my children than what I had. 20 years after finishing high school I still have a loathing for what was said to me there. In primary school I was ‘bigger’ and was a sports captain. At my first high school, same situation. I cannot remember being bullied there at all – I was just one of the crowd with my own group of friends who were all very different to one another. To this day – my closest friends. We all coped with difficult situations and I eventually was sent to boarding school due to a family member’s mental breakdown. This family member constantly told me that I was fat, ugly and hence better to send me away to school and to endure this. So, I get to this school feeling pretty low and in the time there was taunted, ridiculed and made to feel less than adequate for my size. These girls were competing to see how skinny they could be and I had to be there. It was the worst time of my life – being told that you are fat and ugly, then going away and being told that you are fat and ugly by your so called peers. Never have I spoken to any of those girls again. I left school and went straight into employment and have had successful. Now I know that it did matter in many jobs what I looked like – it did contribute to whether I got the job or not. I was always a realist about that and I can probably thank the teenage years for that. When I was given the opportunity, I worked really hard and made sure they forgot that I was not a size 10 and sure enough was treated equally. I do not know how I would have got through my 20s without my close friends. When walking to and from the train station I remember squeezing my body to make it smaller in the seat (looking at pictures now I think I was being a bit harsh on myself) but nothing was ever said to me directly. After years of thinking of myself as huge and having people ask what I was going to do to ‘fix’ myself (always with my best interests at heart – rubbish) this is the moment when it all stopped. I remember going into Dotti in Brisbane with my best friend who was size 8 and required to wear ‘funky’ clothes for her work whilst I was size 16 at the time. We had the most wonderful time with the shop assistant. Initially, I had decided to wait outside and my friend told me not to be stupid so we had a good half an hour trying to find something, ‘anything’ that might fit me whilst she got her clothes. Look, the shop was for teenage girls and my friend, the shop assistant and I were all in our mid 20s and had a good laugh at the whole thing- she said those clothes are not for everyone and I shouldn’t put expectations like that on myself . Not the normal thing from a shop assistant but cathartic for me and from then I always went straight up to the shop assistant and asked them was there a point if in doubt – the David Jones experience one lady wrote about horrified me. Remember you spend the money and if she had said that to me she would have been out of a job – I would have torn the walls down with my opinion. In writing this I realise that one experience empowered me so I would not feel the same way as I did in late teens and early 20s. It is not as if I would ever speak to those girls again – nor would anyone – nasty things. In general, I will not be treated as a social leper because of my size – whatever size I am. I do think it is important to dress for your size. I shared with a woman who was a size 26 and she had the best taste. Also ladies, if someone says you look nice – say thankyou. Do not put yourself down – it was something I had to train myself not to do. I currently am size 18 and want to get healthier. That should lead to reducing my size, but more importantly I want to be able to play tennis with my boys and go running with them. The other day, a friend of mine told me that her daughter who is 8 years old got bullied because she is bigger. This child is not fat and plays sport 5 days a week – she is just bigger. Teasing at 8 – where do they get this behaviour from? TV? Parents? School? I spoke to my boys about this and asked them what they thought. They said that she wasn’t fat – she is larger like you, and cute! I think I am bringing them up ok. I hope this adds to the discussion and helps someone like my friend (and that shop assistant) helped me!

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    • S

      This is such a lovely story- you seem to have your head screwed on!! You’re so positive about everything! I admire that you told your story :)

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  9. Meerkath

    Ok, let’s start by stating. Have been overweight for most of my adult life. It has reduced my self esteem to nil ntil recently when a major health scare made me take stock and change my evil ways! However, whilst I have had the occasional rude comment from my parents about my weight, and I get it’s because they love me, I can honestly say that I have never really had anyone make a rude comment to my face, or call me names or anything. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, of course it does, but I haven’t had it hap pent to me.
    Am not sure wy not. I am not a confident person but I am very warm and friendly and I think I probably use humor to cover my hurt, so to speak. I am happily married, with lots of family and friends who love me for wo I am, and not how I look. They are all helpingr me stay healthy but also don’t punish me when I fall off the rails into a packet of Tim Tams lol.
    Think about it. Some of Australia’s most beloved celebrities are obese but funny. I don’t think that’s just coincidence lol.
    Am. Happy? Hell yes. Would. Like to be skinnier/healthier? Hell yes. Is is the be all and end all? Hell no. I am happily married, with 2 gorgeous girls, a good job, intelligence, am relatively healthy, compassionate and honestly, being overweight isn’t what defines me. I’m not perfect but my flabbiness is the least of my worries!

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    • Meerkath

      Apologies for the weird grammar. My iPad needs to go back to school:(

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  10. I’ve read the article and a lot of comments on here but wasn’t planning on every commenting myself, it’s a complex issue and something I wasn’t ready to get involved in. And then someone’s comment made me cry. The original commenter had written that unless it’s your own body, you have no write to comment, someone replied saying (along the lines of) ‘but what if it’s a close friend/relative and I’m concerned about them being extremely under/overweight.’ It’s a fair enough comment and I agree that there are times we need to speak up but why is it about how they LOOK. I’m in the ‘healthy’ weight range, by looking at me you’d think there is nothing wrong. But I suffered in silence with an eating disorder for 8 years (am still am). No one ever said or questioned anything because I LOOKED ‘normal’. I eventually got help for myself after getting to the stage of wanting to commit suicide. If I tell people about my eating disorder, it’s obvious that many people question it or think that it isn’t serious because I’m not extremely skinny or overweight. No one (aside from my psychologist/dietian/doctor) asks me how I’m doing, whether I’m getting better – I wonder if this is because they can’t see any physical signs of it?

    Of course, with strangers we can’t tell what is happening inside, we can only see the outside – in which case I believe we NEVER have a right to comment. But when it comes to family and friends, don’t you think it’s time that we looked a bit deeper? That we show concern because of behaviours rather than outward appearances?

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    • Anonymous

      Hi littlejojo

      I think it was my comment that made you cry – which makes me feel awful. I am so sorry. I totally agree 100% with everything you said.

      I am no stranger to suffering in silence. I see a psychologist for anxiety and my father suffers depression.

      I guess my comment came from a place where I was thinking of the fact that sometimes (obviously not always), there are times when a person who is suffering from something (physical, mental, spiritual) and there does also happen to be a visual change in them – for example a dramatic change in weight. My father, for example dropped an enormous amount of weight when his depression got really bad. It was obvious to the eye. And because he was hiding his depression quite well (although I had my suspicions), I asked him eventually if everything was ok.

      I really do agree with what you say, particularly your last sentence. But what I meant (and obviously didn’t articulate) was that often, the physical appearance (if there is a real change) can be the first thing that we do notice. It could be anything from weight change to dark circles under the eyes, looking pale and wan etc. I guess it’s a bit like trying to point out a person in a crowd – we usually says things like ‘see that tall redhead over there?’. We might not know about her, but we can immediatley she is tall and has red hair. The physical appearance is noted first. Of course with family and other loved ones, we do know more about them than their physical appearance, but like you said yourself, many people suffer in silence and as I know, can hide very well any other problems they might be going through. Only my husband and 3 of my friends know I see someone for my anxiety. My parents don’t even know. And most people who know me would be shocked to know I suffer to a degree where I need professional help. As an example as well, my anxiety and stress lead to several months of my hair falling out at an alarming rate. I was asked by many people what had happened to my (once lovely) hair… it was a physical side of me they notice, but they wouldn’t have known about my anxiety. And I was fine with that. They weren’t to know. I’ve also suffered huge weight loss in the past due to the same anxiety. And it was my plummeting weight that people approached me about. It was ‘obvious’ to them.

      I would never question a person about their well-being by begining with a statement about their physical appearance. Again, a change in their apperance might prompt me to wonder if they are ok, but I wouldn’t approach them with that.

      I’m ever so sorry that my comment made you cry. If you knew me, you would know I am a really kind soul, the person who everyone comes to with their woes. Mostly as I just listen – because I usually don’t have advice, but I’m a listener and that’s what people need sometimes.

      Gosh, sorry for the long reply. I just really wanted you to know how sorry I am that I didn’t articulate myself better in the first place and I hope I’ve shed some light on my actualy thoughts. You still might not agree. But I am sorry.

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      • Hi Anon, firstly thanks for the reply. But please don’t feel bad, I should’ve mentioned that your comment didn’t make me cry because it was a bad/rude thing to say. I agree with every point that you’ve made. It made me cry because there are times (every day) when I think people would care more or ask how I am, if I was extremely skinny. It wasn’t your post as such, but just how my mind interpreted and the thoughts that it led to that made me cry. As I said, I agree with what you’ve said, physical appearances are easy to notice and to describe – we can easily tell when something has changed or isn’t quite right. You said nothing wrong and you have no reason to apologise for your comment. I think I needed to get my frustration and disappoint out that no one in my life cared enough to notice that things were wrong.

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        • Anonymous

          littlejojo,

          Thanks for your reply. I’m still sorry that this has all made you feel sad, but I’m glad to know that I might have expressed myself a little better. I’ve been having an onoing debate below with some others, because I really feel my comments were mis-interpereted. I’m no writer that’s for sure!

          Physical appearance relates to so much more than just weight doesn’t it? And unfortunately my first reply further down looks like I am fixated on commenting on people’s weight. Yikes! I only used weight as an example because that was what the original poster used and, after all, what this entire article was based on.

          Oh dear :-(

          I hope you are feeling/doing good/better and that you continue to have at least a couple of people who will ask you. Your last sentence here mades me a bit teary… I obviously don’t know you but I would really like to think that there are lots of people in your life who care (more than you) and if they did know that things were going wrong with you, they would certainly be asking after you. Like you say, sometimes when something very obvious, like a physical aspect is not standing out, it can be difficult for people to knw what’s happening on the inside.

          All the best with your journey x

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          • Oh, you made me cry again! In a good way, your words were lovely, thank you.

            My original reason for not wanting to comment on this topic was because, like you, I can’t always express what I really think and I knew things would be misinterpreted. I think topics like this can get people really fired up and they develop tunnel vision. It’s such a sensitive issue for pretty much everyone.

            I wish you all the best as well, I hope you can gain control over your anxiety and live a happy life x

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  11. I love to exercise

    I was once morbidly obese so I know how Stephanie feels. I wasn’t quite her size, but I was fairly hefty. I was also extremely unwell and in my early ’20s, supposedly the prime of one’s life, was taking a cocktail of drugs to make it through the day. That’s no way to live.

    While I don’t condone the treatment I received or that which Stephanie now receives, I think it’s important to focus on that poor behaviour rather than to swing the other way and tell ourselves that fat is healthy and normal. I’ve been reading the blogs of a few of the commenters here and am absolutely floored at the insanity, particularly the claim that you can’t eat your way to type 2 diabetes. Sorry, but I spent several years as a pre-diabetic (no family history at all) solely because of what I ate. It was awful. When I lost the weight, the pre-diabetes disappeared. While it’s entirely possibly that the diabetes fairy intervened on my behalf, I’m fairly confident my pre-diabetes was directly related to the size of my waist. If someone wants to be obese, they should go ahead and enjoy it. But they need to take responsibility for their poor behaviour and not promote it to other people as an acceptable lifestyle choice.

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    • Melissa J

      Good on you for getting healthier, you’re an inspiration :-)
      If you don’t mind me asking, how did you lose the weight? And how did you come to love exercising?

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      • I love to exercise

        Thanks Melissa :) . Losing weight was a real struggle for me. I was so unfit I found walking from the car to the gym a struggle, and sadly gave it up after a few tries. At that point I’d been muddling through so many diets I’m afraid I don’t even remember some of them, although I do remember the shakes. So many brands, so many failures.

        Eventually I realised that dieting wasn’t working for me. A friend of mine lent me books by Dr. McDougall, whose work is a little fluffy, but I ignored the fluff and focused on the important bits, taking away from his approach that a good diet=plenty of vegetables and wholegrains. Then I found Michael Pollan’s work and realised that his approach was exactly what I was looking for. His motto is “eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants”. Then everything made sense. The best diet for me is mostly vegetarian, with meat and fish in quantities large enough to not cause deficiency in vitamins and minerals like b12 and iron. One of his recommendations is not to buy anything with more than five ingredients, and it’s basically my rule of thumb when shopping for food. Another is to avoid any food that makes health claims, as the healthiest foods are the kind without large marketing budgets behind them. By keeping those two pieces of advice in mind I’ve managed to fashion myself a diet much more varied than I ate before that’s also healthy enough for me to lose weight and now maintain. I do count calories, but only to a point. I do a quick estimate for a meal, and then tack on 30% more (most people underestimate their food consumption by 30%).

        After I’d lost about 30kg I decided it was time to exercise. Instead of going back to the gym, which I found very boring and repetitive, and also a bit intimidating, I focused on activities I knew I’d enjoy or had wanted to try in the past like belly dancing and aqua aerobics. Eventually I ended up with a personal trainer and a great weight setup, and found myself taking long walks not because I wanted to do so to lose weight but because I found it an enjoyable way to relax. I go to several dance classes a week and I’m thinking of taking an adult karate class sometime in the next six months. Basically, I’ve made movement an indispensable part of my life – if I don’t find time in my day to exercise, I actually feel down. Amazing, isn’t it? I’ve read somewhere that exercise releases endorphins, and I think for me exercise has replaced the rush I once got from eating a large pizza and a family sized block of chocolate in one sitting.

        This has been a bit long winded, apologies :) . Please let me know if you have any other questions.

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        • Melissa J

          Wow Thank you for answering! That sounds amazing, sound advice with the whole grains and the five ingredients tips. I like that you’ve started exercising with things you’ve always wanted to try, sounds brilliant and easy to maintain if you’re interested in it. I’ve been told it’s the first month or two that is the big hurdle then you learn to love exercising and it gets easier as you get fitter. Good on you! :-)

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    • Fat Heffalump

      You’re assuming that your experience is universal. You’re also assuming that fat people don’t also love to exercise. The first thing anyone learns when talking about bodies is that no two experiences are the same, and what works for one body does not necessarily work for the next.

      I suggest you read http://danceswithfat.wordpress.com

      Fat is normal, it’s not abnormal at all. Fat people are not a disease to be eradicated, an “abomination” of nature or an “epidemic” to be “cured”. Fat people are human beings and members of society just like anyone else.

      This doesn’t mean that your experience is invalid, it just means that it’s not universal to every person in the world.

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      • I love to exercise

        I found the Dances with Fat blog linked from yours. One piece referenced the Minnesota Starvation Experiment as evidence that dieting sent you mad without noting that the diet the was not based on sound nutritional advice but instead was intended to replicate the diet of those in post-war Europe. All I see on the blog is anti-science rants by a woman with zero medical education. She’s cheered on by commenters who also lack a medical or scientific background and appear to be gullible, stupid or willfully ignorant.

        Please don’t reference rubbish like that to make a point. If I were to suggest you read books by David Icke when arguing for the existence of extraterrestrial life you would (I hope) tell me I’m barking. I’m doing you the same favour.

        I don’t see how anyone who glorifies their type 2 diabetes can be taken seriously, I really don’t. I think you should also let those on this site know what I found out – that you were praising your good health and gloating over how superior you were to doctors while your blood sugars were out of control and doing damage to your body. And all this at 38. This is the result of being ok with obesity. The lack of honesty from people like you is just as bad as the oversharing and abuse I got as I walked down the street. I see no difference between having a full can of drink thrown at me and being told that there is no link between eating and type 2 diabetes. Both harm me, it’s just that the former doesn’t come with a pat on the back and encouragement to hit the Sizzler dessert buffet.

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        • Amber

          It’s fairly obvious you did not read the biography of the “woman with zero medical education”. She is a professional, world class dancer. She exercises at the level of a professional athlete, because that is what she is. I encourage you to look at the photos of what she is capable of she posted
          http://danceswithfat.wordpress.com/2011/06/17/the-trouble-with-proving-it/

          Ragen freely admits she has no medical training, but she also cites sources when she make claims. Much of her blog is anti-stigma.

          She has first hand experience with how differently bodies will react. When she was in college, she became obsessed with losing weight and started an excessive exercise (8-10 hours per day) and calorie restriction (1100 calories, strictly counted) regimen. She kept this up for 6 months and lost 15 pounds total, putting her at 135 pounds at 5’2″ which is just barely within the “normal BMI”. After she stopped torturing her body with this punishing regimen, she gained a lot of weight because her extended diet had damaged her metabolism.

          I realize I won’t change “I love to exercise”‘s mind, so I suppose I’m posting this information for other people who might read.

          “I love to exercise”, I will add that I am glad you found what worked for you. It is always good to hear that someone found a path to health that works for them. I also see that, did you but recognize it, you came to the conclusion that there is no single route to health for every person: “Eventually I realised that dieting wasn’t working for me.”

          Not everyone who is as heavy as you were is as unhealthy as you were. The goal for all people ought to be Health, whatever that means for each individual.

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          • I love to exercise

            I could not be more anti-diet. I assumed that was implied in my post, although it’s very kind of you to point out this fact for those who have missed it. Dieting as we know it is flawed. It relies on eating doctored foods, counting points, refusing high fat or high carb, food combining, meal replacement shakes and so many other damaging practices. This doesn’t mean that obesity is the only alternative. All we have to do is look at how our families once lived. My mother didn’t grow up eating junk food regularly. In fact, a paddle pop sized ice cream on a Saturday afternoon was the only junk food she was permitted except for special occasions like birthday parties and Christmas. She wasn’t deprived, nor did she grow up in poverty, she was simply raised in the same way as all her peers. This is normal. Sweets daily and portions of triple what we should be eating are not.

            Regan is not a professional athlete. She’s a ballroom dancer and while she’s probably a good dancer she’s nowhere in the same league as a professional swimmer or rugby player. Her claims are deeply questionable. I suspect she’s simply a failed dieter who logged on to the Internet and found a group of people who’ve convinced each other that they suffered terribly at the hands of the establishment rather than wanting to admit that they couldn’t deal with points counting or horrible shakes. I feel for them, really I do, but there’s no accountability, no scientific rigour, nothing in her writing or the writing of others I’ve found that shows obesity to be anything but a socially constructed disease. Instead there’s plenty of fantastical accounts of starvation and exercise to the point of exhaustion with nary a gram lost. If such stories were true there’d be research to back them up. Do you have any idea how much money there’d be in finding a new and reliable method of ensuring weight gain in people with cancer and aids? If there was even the tiniest amount of evidence to show Regan was correct in her claims she’d have drug companies bombarding her with offers.

            You won’t change my mind because I take the word of medical professionals over group hysterics. I sincerely hope no one else here is falling for the fat is healthy line, but I imagine it’s a seductive option for a frustrated dieter. For those tempted to swallow the notion that one cannot eat their way to type 2 diabetes, please run the evidence presented by these people past your gp. Feel free to get a second, third, fourth opinion if you want. After that, see an endocrinologist and ask their opinion. Failing that, enjoy the insulin shots.

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            • Amber

              My point was that size is not ultimately the issue. Health is the goal. Some people get there, like you did, by changing their diet (what they eat) and increasing exercise. For some people, that does not work. On the other hand, changing the diet does work for some people, even if it didn’t work by itself for you.

              As for the medical professional’s opinion poll, one of the boons we have today is the ability of the average person to access the actual scientific research that has been done. It wasn’t all that long ago that blood letting was regularly prescribed by medical professionals. When a doctor prescribes medication without testing to see if that medication is needed, solely on the basis of a person’s size, that indicates a bias. Doctors are human and can be fallible.

              If all other medical indicators (ie. a blood panel, etc) show that a person is healthy, it really doesn’t matter how much fat that person is carrying. They are still healthy.

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            • I love to exercise

              The average person is incapable of understanding medical research. I don’t mean this unkindly, as I count myself among their ranks. There is absolutely nothing wrong with seeking a second opinion, and for almost any diagnosis I’ve received that’s exactly what I’ve done. What’s dangerous is believing that your Internet research is superior to that of the professionals. You’ve only got to read the heartbreaking story of Janet Fraser’s homebirth to understand that one’s education at Google U. is not sufficient to ignore the advice of the vast majority of the medical community. Take a look at what “education” about vaccination has done for whooping cough deaths.

              In addition, blood work doesn’t tell us everything. Blood work won’t let you know that your excess weight now is going to be the source of excruciating osteoarthritis in 20 years time, when you’re still too young for a knee replacement. It’s not going to tell you that you’re slowly becoming insulin resistant until the penny drops and you’re either a pre-diabetic or a diabetic. Routine Bloodwork is also not going to determine whether fertility is slowly being eroded. Obesity has been indicated as a leading contributer to many cancers, but a quick cholesterol check won’t confirm or deny whether you’re the lucky person whose genes and obesity are the perfect match for a particular cancer. Even my insensitive gps wouldn’t have dared prescribe a medication without confirming the symptoms. They were insensitive, not looking to be sued for malpractice. I’m beginning to wonder if fat acceptance isn’t a little like the homebirth community, another place I spent a little time after hearing a nightmare story about a c section. It’s quite easy to enter with a normal, healthy attitude towards birth, yet with encouragement and validation you come to feel that your not to plan birth was “birth rape” and that all doctors have cloven hoofs. They use the bloodletting line too, which I don’t understand. 200 years ago the steam engine was the height of technology too. Things change, evidence changes, and until the evidence says that obesity is healthy, I’m not sure why bloodletting has any relevance in this discussion. Sure, perhaps 200 years from now our descendants will all be smirking at the ridiculous methods of treatment used for, say, epilepsy. But this is now and right now the evidence says obesity is unhealthy and that current treatments for epilepsy while often not ideal or even effective keep a good number of people alive and living productive lives.

              This is where fat acceptance falls down. It’s a concept pushed by those who don’t have the ability to determine that their cause is not liberating and is in fact harmful.

              On another note, I’ve got a cramped economy seat to fold myself into so we’ll have to call it a day :) .

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      • Anonymous

        Um when did she say it was universal..

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  12. Gisele

    If I get on a train with my child, we take up two seats – one each. Obviously I have to pay for two seats, no question.

    If I get on a train and because I’m obese I take up two seats, then why shouldn’t I have to pay for those two seats being used?

    Why do obese people feel entitled to a 50% discount on something which they’re using?

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    • Lulu

      If you’re talking about metro trains, then you pay the same whether you get a seat or not. You don’t get a discount because it’s rush hour & you have to stand.

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    • Anonymous

      She doesn’t take up 2 seats. Have you not read anything that has been written? Seriously, comments that are made that clearly shows that no research has been done just makes you look ignorant.

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  13. Charlie's Mama

    There is a good point being made in the comments to this post: a majority of people get bullied for a whole lot of reasons… mainly because a majority of us do not comply to society’s standards of “normality”. I noticed a few skinny people voicing their issues in dealing with criticism…. skinny people get bullied too for being flat chested, looking anorexic etc. And so do people from different cultures, of different colours, people with disabilities etc etc etc.

    One thing that strikes me is that a lot of people in these posts seem to go back to the “medical condition” argument, saying that people that are overweight are all plagued by a medical condition. Yes, a lot of people that carry unhealthy extra pounds do have a health condition but a lot of obese people also do not. Same goes for anorexic people… a lot of skinny people do not necessarily have anorexia but are either 1. naturally prone to being skinny 2. responsible for their own unhealthy habits (too much dieting).

    I consider my weight to be healthy but I do have unhealthy habits and will not hide behind excuses… I smoke and it is my choice, I am not proud of it and do not want to flaunt it as something that should be respected. I also don’t think anyone who doesn’t know me has a right to comment on this but it doesn’t mean I want to advocate it as “normal”.

    Overweight people have the right to respect like everybody else, whether their weight is or isn’t a choice. However, I don’t think that it makes it right to promote obesity as normality just as it is not right to promote anorexia as normal.

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    • Punkernickle

      I just want to throw this in here as I am strongly anti-smoking and I get really cranky with smokers and I just want to put this out there (please note that this is not directed at you personally, Charlie’s Mama, but when you mentioned you smoke, it made me want to say this to all smokers):

      Begin rant:

      No one cares that you smoke. It’s your body, you can fuck it up however you so choose.

      What people care about is what you are doing to their bodies, their hair, their clothes etc. When you walk by a smoker you breathe in their second hand smoke, you end up with the stink in your clothes and hair, and if it happens to be windy or you’re walking behind them, or if they flick it the wrong way, you end up with ash on your clothes (or if you’re really unlucky and as I’ve seen happen, in your eyes – not cool).

      When you get in a lift with a smoker, or even after one has been in there, it stinks. The air is difficult to breathe – it is like having your lungs scorched or inhaling gravel. And that smell doesn’t go away quickly.

      Smokers tend to get up in arms about other people respecting their choice to smoke, but the problem is there does not seem to be reciprocated respect for other people’s right to breathe smoke-free air, to have stink-free clothes, to not have their ash littering the streets or floating to their hair and clothes.

      Smoking, unfortunately, is not about the individual – it is about the environment, including the people around them. And THAT, to me, is the thingt that most smokers just do not see.

      Do it to your own body. Don’t do it to mine.

      End rant.

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      • Charlie's mama

        Fair enough lol ;-) I duly accept your rant! I have the same theory about not afflicting others with our own unhealthiness… That’s why I am not a public smoker. I never take cigarettes with me when I go out in public, they stay at home on the balcony for my own guilty pleasure!
        Just noting however that having unhealthy eating habits can also impact on people around you (not strangers like smoking but people who live with you and are influencible….. same for smoking).

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        • Pukernickle

          Lol, thanks for letting me get that off my chest!

          100% agree though, other habits can affect those around you. Food, alcohol, gambling, porn etc etc etc…

          You know what else I’m doing wrong? My BF is 6’2. I am 5’4. Why do I eat the same portions as him? I don’t need to eat the same amount as he eats! Idiot! (Me, not you, him maybe a little).

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      • Charlie's Mama

        Also thought it would be interesting to change the wording in your first sentence:
        “no one cares that you are fat, it’s your body you can fuck it up however you choose” …. somehow I feel like this would have been deemed highly offensive if directed at overweight people….

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        • Punkernickle

          It’s true. But also, overweight people on the street to evoke that kind of crankiness in me!

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  14. Someone fat

    I would like to know what exactly people expect you to do when they call you fat?
    How am I meant to instantly change the fact that I’m fat? Am I supposed to grab a knife and give myself a tummy tuck on the spot?

    I will call myself fat more times than family, friends or strangers ever could combined. Calling me fat or treating me like a second rate person does not help make me skinny.

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  15. hannahfromsa

    How awful. To think that people ignore their neighbours abusing their kids and animals but then think it’s ok to get involved and judgmental in something as innocuous as weight? And the old public health argument is so past it. I mean people usually don’t wake up one day and decide that being overweight is the right choice for them. There usually tons of factors involved (such as not having enough time or money to eat healthily). I’ve learnt that when I’m sad, I put on weight and when I’m happy I loose it (on a weight loss streak at the moment! yippee!). Hurling insults at me when I’m 10 kgs heavier than my ideal weight will not improve it in the slightest. People can be so vile.

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  16. chef

    Distraught reading all the comments below.Nobody, whether they be family, friend, acquaintance or stranger, ever, EVER, EVER EVER has the right to comment on anyone’s physical appearance.

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  17. danyawellington

    Never ceases to amaze me how horrid people can be to each other

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  18. Nicki

    Yeah, I remember all too well being teased for my buck teeth, flat chest, and skinny body (:Oh! Look at her! She’s ANOREXIC!”; ” Eat a steak!” ; “Look at her, skinny little SLUT”, “I’d love to get a BJ off a buck-toothed chick like her”, “Nah, wouldn’t wanna root her, she’s got no tits”).

    As women, we’re judged on how we look. Deal with it. Or not. You decide for yourself.

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    • Anonymous

      That’s a bit defeatist, don’t you think? Deal with it? How about people keep their mouths shut? How about people make it clear that it’s impolite to view their airs to complete strangers with such abandon?

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      • Nicki

        It’s not defeatist at all. You can choose to care too much about what other random people think of you, or you can choose to care about the opinions of those people who really matter to you. In fact, if random strangers say things like that, it says more about THEM, than you. Only YOU give them the power to hurt or offend you, by caring about what they say.

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    • Amber

      Every woman has to “deal with” the opinions others impose on her. Especially those of us with appearances outside the norm.

      That doesn’t mean we can’t work to change the society we live in that accepts such rude behavior. I believe that is what this article is about, and why the discussion here is good.

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  19. carrie

    in a PC world…. are u serious???? people in this country are WAY too polite to ever confront “weight” issues.

    Thats probably one reason why there are so many fat people/ people that feel bad about their weight.

    In other countries its just factual not offensive.

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  20. mm

    I think fat people openly receive so much criticism for their weight (public transport and so on) because being fat is a choice.

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    • rose

      Actually, usually it isn’t a choice. To think it is a choice is ignorant. Sadly, knowing obnoxious people are ignorant does not lessen the pain of being insulted and verbally abused.

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    • really???

      Ok, dinner party rules….so i take a HUGE breath…..
      mm….really???
      being fat is a choice?
      o….k…..so at 19 when my thyroid was destroyed by an autoimmune disease and i went from a “normal” size 12 to a (big, i am only short)16-18 in a MONTH was a choice on my part?
      having my metabolism so compromised that it barely functioned, was a choice?
      why thank you for making it so apparent that my CHOICE was a bad one. it makes the weight loss struggle of the last 12 years sooo much easier to bare with you pearls of wisdom, that it was all a choice….
      i don’t doubt there are people that choose to eat in a manner that makes them physically unhealthy. but please do everyone a favour and consider that not all fat/obese/chunky/curvy/heavy/(whatever word you feel comfy with) people, are like this by some sort of CHOICE.
      Because believe me when i say i would happily CHOOSE to not have a disease that makes losing weight INCREDIBLY difficult, especially in a society where people judge you so harshly on your appearance.

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      • nikkiparkinsonhubbard

        My story is exactly the same as yours. No, it’s not a choice. Hashimotos sucks!

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        • really???

          that it does….that it does….

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      • mm

        Hang on, I didn’t say it was acceptable to criticise fat people because of there weight, nor did I say that being overweight is a bad choice. I said I think it happens with such high frequency because being fat is a choice. Perhaps what I SHOULD have said is that being fat is a choice for MOST fat people.

        I understand a small percentage of overweight people are that way due to medical issues but the majority are overweight because they eat too much, plain and simple.
        If I ate constantly I too would be overweight. It is a fact.

        If you really want to know I think it is terrible the way our society places so much emphasis on physical appearance, I find the pressure on women in particular to be a huge burden.

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        • Fat Heffalump

          If being fat was a choice, I’d have been thin 25 years ago. This is what drives me nuts – people think that we go “Yeah, I’ll be fat, it’s AWESOME!”

          Do you really think people would chose to live in a world that bullies them, belittles them, refuses to provide them adequate clothing, treats them like second class citizens and then tells them they’re “gonna die”? Who would choose that?

          As someone who lived an eating disorder (starvation and purging) for 20 years, and has dieted for almost 30, if it were a choice, or a matter of willpower, I would be thin today. When it comes to willpower, there will be few more obstinate than me. Damn, if willpower were the answer, I’d be thin, earning $200,000 per year, living by the ocean and married to Hugh Jackman.

          Stop trotting out the tired old tropes of “you’re fat and lazy and you choose to live that way”. It’s the debate equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going “lalalallalalalalaaaa”.

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          • mm

            Well your actions or inactions are a choice! What you eat or do not eat, and whether you choose to exercise or not IS a choice and has consequences for your weight. Please! Weight gain does not occur overnight, it happens incrementally over ones lifetime. You just need to compare the western world to third world countries (or intergenerational differences) to see that being overweight is a directresult of lifestyle choices, to think otherwise is to be in denial. (Note that my comment EXCLUDES those who gain weight from a related medical condition).

            Comments below such as I am overweight from quitting smoking are an example of an overweight people being in denial about their weight. You did not gain weight because you stopped smoking but because you stopped smoking and started eating more!

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            • Fat Heffalump

              You’re assuming that all fat people eat too much and are sedentary. How can I get it through to you that you cannot tell whether someone is active or what they are eating simply by looking at them?

              Actually, I can tell you this, and then I no longer engage with you:

              The only thing you can tell by looking at a fat person is how judgemental you are.

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        • really???

          Fair call MM….
          i guess, like many people, i get a little defensive. at 19 it was a pretty hard issue to suddenly have, and even now years on it has left lasting emotional and body issues that i still struggle to address.
          to honest, it sux that as a people we do judge each other, but more importantly we judge OURSELVES by how we look. i am not that 19year old girl anymore, i don’t look like her, i don’t weigh as much as her anymore….but when i look in the mirror, that is ALL i see still.
          so again MM, i probably jumped rather harshly on you, sorry, honestly sorry x

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  22. AnnaB

    I am continuously gobsmacked by how revolting people are. How anyone can feel comfortable being rude to anyone in public is beyond me.

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  23. Violet

    When I was growing up my mum taught me ‘if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all’…… That’s called manners. At what point in time did it become acceptable for anyone else to comment to people they don’t even know in such a hurtful way?

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  24. Keda

    I have a ‘Sonja’ in my life too – an ex-colleague now BFF – and I HATE the way people judge her, particularly when we are eating out and rude wait-staff seem to not want to serve her. She does all sorts of things, and avoids certain situations, to avoid the dirty looks and whispered comments.

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  25. Fat Heffalump

    Seriously, how hard is it to understand this one thing:

    It is not YOUR body so it is not YOUR business.

    When it’s your body, you can comment, judge and decide if it’s healthy or not. If it’s anyone else’s, mind your own business.

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    • Mia

      That’s a good point.

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    • Anonymous

      I get this point… to a certain degree only. Certainly, strangers have no right to comment on anyone’s body.

      But, what about concerned family members and friends? What if I were really concerned about someone close to me and their either extreme thinness or obesity? I would not judge the person (as I have not walked in their shoes) but given that these two extremes can lead to serious health problems, I really would not want someone I love to suffer if something could be done to help them.

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      • Fat Heffalump

        I don’t care what size or shape the people I love are. I care that they are happy, that they know that I love them and am always there for them. I care that they get treated with respect and dignity, I care that they have access to health care that treats them like human beings (rather than veterinary care that treats them like they need to be intervened into) and that they are allowed access to be active and to nourishing food, while still being allowed to enjoy their lives without punishment or shame for the shape or size of their bodies.

        But most importantly, I trust the people I love to advocate for themselves, make their own choices and don’t treat them like they are not able to live their own lives, how they choose.

        Loving someone doesn’t mean controlling them or making choices for them. It means trusting them to make the decisions that best suit themselves.

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        • Anonymous

          Hmmmm… again, I agree with what you say to a degree. Mostly, I also don’t care what shape and size the people that I love are. But, if I’m totally honest, if my husband, children, sister or mother were putting their bodies under a huge amount of stress due to their size (small or large), and I could see that their lives were at risk, then, yes, I would care about their size.

          Happiness is paramount to me. But, also is health. Without good health (mental, physical, spiritual), I think true happiness is much harder to achieve.

          Your last paragraph, would you also hold this belief if you were watching someone you love have their life controlled by a lethal drug or alcohol addiction?

          I am not trying to cause a big argument here, I genuinely am interested in your answer.

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          • La

            Well, Anonymous…..as someone who’s family has “intervened” time and time again, and has lost large amounts of weight time and time again – only to have it spring back onto my body with a vengence….perhaps you should consider that it is a GENETIC PROBLEM and no amount of your so called “concern” is going to fix that. Doesn’t matter what you say. When will the world get that? Who would choose to be obese anyway – nobody I know chooses this….I have been eating healthy and exercising for my entire life and I am absolutely huge. What am I supposed to do about that – what’s your cure for my afflication, Anonymous? I would love for you to fix me right up! Do us all a favor and get a grip on reality. I’m sure you’ve heard the stats on sustained weight loss. What do you think a 95%++ failure rate means?

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            • Anonymous

              La, I am genuinely sorry for what you have been through with your family. But please, don’t attack me for my thoughts. I really think my comments have been mis-interpereted.

              I never said that I didn’t think that some weight issues could be genetic, of course that could be the case. BUT, there are many cases when a persons extreme weight loss or gain is NOT genetic. Often, the underlying reason could be a mental health issue (anxiety, depression). And in response also, to Olive (below), I would NEVER EVER tolerate people talking behind others back about weight issues. If there was genuine concern about a loved one’s health (mental, physical – whatever), I would talk to them to see they wanted to share what the problem what might be and if they wanted any help I would never bring up this concern by mentioning weight first of all. And I would only ever initiate a conversation if I thought the person I loved was troubled in some way. I never said my ‘concern could fix you’.

              I once went through a hugely traumatic time in my life and my weight changed dramatically in a short period of time. Family and friends were worried about me, firstly because they knew I was not myself and obviously going through a really tough time. They were worried that I was not the happy, positive person I had once been and yes, they were worried about my dramatic change in physical appearance, it was out of character for me and honestly, I was not healthy like I had always been. Luckily for me, they expressed all this in a way that was not only focussing on weight, but what was actually going on inside my head. I got the help that I needed (professional counselling) and my life turned around again.

              I would do the same in a heartbeat for someone I loved.

              Please don’t tell me to ‘get a grip on reality’. Reality obviously means different things to different people. And my reality is that if I am worried about the health (mental, physical etc) of a person I love I will offer to listen or help. If they don’t want the help, that is fine. But I will still offer. Would you sit back and watch a person you love self-destruct if you could help? I have a vested interest in my children, husband and other loved ones. I can only offer so much, but you’d better bloody believe I will be here to offer and provide support if they want to take it.

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          • Fat Heffalump

            How do you know what amount of stress someone’s body is under unless you’re actually in that body? You don’t. If someone says “I want to lose weight.” then go for it, support them, help them. But if they’re happy in their body, then it’s none of your business. How hard is that to understand?

            Drugs and alcohol are not the same as being fat. They are addictions. Fat is just extra adipose tissue on the body. I’m not fat because I’m addicted to fat (or food), I’m fat because that’s the way my body works. Addiction is an illness. Fat is NOT an illness – it is a state of being.

            And you tout health, but with no care at all what your “interventions” do to someone’s mental health. Not to mention that you assume fat = unhealthy. Again, unless someone actually says “I don’t feel healthy, I feel my weight is harming me.” then you have no actual proof that someone “needs” help.

            Adults are capable of advocating for their own health and bodies. Children need access to nutritious food and safe places (physically and emotionally) to engage in physical activity. Beyond that you are sticking your nose in other people’s business.

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            • Fat Heffalump

              Footnote: “Dramatic change in weight” is not the same thing as simply “being fat”. Yes, a dramatic weight change can be an indicator of health issues. But being a fat person a) is not necessarily something that happens “dramatically” and b) has no causal relation to illness (only correlative).

              Honestly, I really can’t understand why so many people seem to think it’s their business what size or shape another person’s body is.

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            • Anonymous

              Sorry, but you are totally missing my points. You assume that I would go up to any person on an extreme end of the weight scale and intervene. How ridiculous. Where did I ever say that?!

              In each comment I have clearly stated that I am talking about people I know well, that I love. And, even if I might not have written it in black and white, I think it was pretty clear that I would only express my concern if I was genuniely worried about the person for other reasons beyond bloody weight for gods sake. (bang head against brick wall!)

              Seriously, you are all getting so uppity about this. AND you all assume that I am only talking about fat people. I AM NOT! I NEVER indicated in these comments that I am only referring to obese people. Don’t dare inflict that I think fat=unhealthy. They are obviously your thoughts and words and I think you are getting your own feelings caught up in what I have said. I very clearly stated what health means to me. It encompasses physical, mental and spiritual aspects of a human. Please tell me exactly where in this statement I am equating unealthy and fat???

              And actually, for many people, food (or lack thereof) IS an addiction. Obviously not in your case. But I was never talking about your personally was I? Surely you can accept that people who are grossly under or over weight might be that way for a myriad of reasons?!

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            • Anonymous

              And in relation to your ‘Footnote’ – once again, you have ASSUMED that I was talking about weight gain. Actually, I wasn’t. I was talking about a dramatic weight loss. So please, don’t lecture me on topics that I am not even raising.

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            • Fat Heffalump

              Thank you anonymous, you’ve just proved my point.

              By using the word “uppity” in relation to my responses, you’ve proved exactly that you and people like you have no interest in listening to an ACTUAL fat person, for what their experiences and needs are. You think what you believe over-rides that of the people who actually live it.

              Thank you. You said everything I needed to realise that engaging with you is pointless.

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            • Anonymous

              It’s sad that it has come to this Fat Heffalump, because I now feel the same about engaging with you. In fact, most of your last comment here could be reversed and written from me to you.

              I never started this thread talking about fat people. You tweaked it all to being about fat people.

              And, how do you know that I am not fat? Or have been fat? Or have a fat child, husband or sister? You don’t, and you therefore don’t have the right to say I don’t want to listen to a fat person.

              I am simply a person who originally stated that if a loved one seemed to suffering in some way (and I re-iterate, physically, mentally, spiritually), I would offer help. I really don’t think I am in the minority here.

              You have turned this into a debate about me going up to fat people and trying to fix them. Get over yourself!!

              You’ve got blinkers on and can’t see past what you have ‘chosen’ to read into my comment. That’s where the ‘uppity-ness’ comes from, the tunnel vision, not the fatness.

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            • Anonymous

              Fat Heffalump – if you are interest at all, please see my replies above to littlejojo

              You might not be interested and that’s fine, just alerting you to the discussion we had

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      • Olive Blanche

        I have stacked on weight due to various illness and comfort eating. My friend has a similar problem and so we both discuss our weight issues together. So we can talk openly about it because there is already that dialogue. But with other friends and family who may be concerned I would prefer it if they minded their own business instead of talking about it behind my back and assuming I have a problem and they are going to fix me. Or just come and talk to me. If someone is genuinely worried then I would much rather they ask me what’s going on instead of assuming. And have them listen properly when I explain it to them. I have some friends who just assume and refuse to listen when I try to explain things to them. I never leave their company feeling good about myself.

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  26. Kate

    I am glad that it is OK to call people on their weight issue- so I assume you are fine with me labelling your co-dependence, ADHD, addiction, narcissism, hoarding, smoking, bulimia, tannning, drunk-driving, tax-double dipping, DRINKING, and everything else that puts a strain on others around them. I work with some folk with real personality disorder buit would uncool to say so, a couple of folk who struggle with numbers (dyslexia) but wouldnt dream of mentioning it but u think youre suffering sharing a seat with a large person for a few train stops? – I am overweight and yes it seems it is fodder for the discussion of others yet somehow their, not immediately apparent but nonetheless costly/impinging disorder is not up for public discussion.
    How would it be to call the person with dementia names? Not their fault ? genertics? but same for overweight people. Did they eat the right amount of fish? drink? do some brain training? They are an enormous burden on health system but do we yell at them? Get some perspective people.

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  27. Emilie

    I think it’s family that can hurt the worst – at the end of the day, hundreds of strangers come and go every day, but our families are there all the time. Throughout my teens my Mother was constantly asking me if I was pregnant because ‘I can’t understand why you’ve gained so much weight.’ Or ‘people always said you were such a beautiful child, look what you’ve done to yourself.’ On one memorable occasion my 5 siblings all fell about laughing at the dinner table calling me ‘Dudley.’ Ouch. I think the worst thing ever was when I had an emergency appendectomy, and after my surgery this woman came in to my room and said she was a dietician and my Mum had sent her to talk about my weight. I was 14 and 68kg. I shouted at her to get out (through my tears) and then refused to eat during my hospital stay and for the rest of that summer. Once school started, but weight returned, and the cycle of diets, binges and Mum’s comments resumed. It was all pretty awful.
    My Mum is great now, and I know she never meant to hurt me, but during my teens I was made to feel as though my weight issues were the beginning and end of my worth as a person, and that did a lot of long-term damage. I still have a weight problem, but just yesterday I realised that I don’t want to be thin, I would be really happy to be a size 14 (currently 16-18) so I can shop in more places. I like who I am, and I deserve to be valued for everything about me. My relationship with food is a difficult one, but through working with a psychologist I am healing my wounds, and one day I will be able to confront my food demons. Until then, my body motto has become:
    ‘THOSE WHO MIND DON’T MATTER, AND THOSE WHO MATTER DON’T MIND.’

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    • oliveblanche

      I’m so sorry that happened to you. Like you said you knew your mum never meant to hurt you but if you’re anything like me my mums disappointment hurts more than anyones because her opinion matters the most. I am ill with various things and during school I used to get migraines and would need to take at least one or two days off school a week. My mum used to get so angry. Of course I took that to mean she was mad at me and being sick was something punishable. I now have really issues with it. I’m now disabled because my headaches and various illness are so bad. My mum is my biggest advocate now and feels terrible that she didn’t realize how I perceived the situation or how sick I was. My mums opinion matters the most to me even now and she only ever builds me up. She never meant to hurt me, she was just scared and angry that I had to suffer so much. It still is a huge deal to me because I feel deep down that because I’m sick I’m not a worthy person. I’m working on that in therapy. :) I’m glad your mum is great now. They do the best job they can. And it’s a hard job! I hope the rest of your family has wised up!

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  28. Anonymous

    I’m struggling a lot with all of these people whose family members make rude comments. Surely family are the one group of people you can tell to shove it? Or is that just my lot………

    Family members are often rude to each other under the guise of it ‘being fun’. I like to tell them cheerfully to get fucked and sort themselves out first, like when one of my dads sisters made some comment about me not being married and how sad that must make him. “She’s fine,” said Dad. “How are your divorced children?”

    Zing. Back in your box.

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    • MissT

      My family don’t have the kind of relationship where you can tell them to shove it. We are painfully polite (I think it is a bit of a problem)

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      • Cordeline

        My family is like this. I really dislike the dynamic.

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    • Iris

      Zing! I think a smart, not-entirely-kind reply is a good move. I don’t like to advocate negativity and vitriol, but dammit, some people need to be put in their place!

      I wish I had a smarty-pants voice telling me how to retort, like Amelie in the movie, er, ‘Amelie’, when she’s at the greengrocer’s. I usually go blank and run off to lick my wounds :-)

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    • Kris2040

      I mentioned above that my brother is really rude to me. Doesn’t mean I’m not rude back. I think that’s part of his problem – I can always beat him in an argument by actually arguing and winning on points. But god he says some awful stuff – not only to me. He had a go at Mum when she was babysitting for him that she was too noisy walking around!

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  29. Amy

    Calling somebody else fat won’t make you any skinnier. Calling someone stupid doesn’t make you any smarter. And ruining Regina George’s life definitely didn’t make me any happier. All you can do in life is try to solve the problem in front of you. — The smartest words to ever come out of Lindsay Lohan’s mouth

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    • MissT

      My blog post on my weight originally started with those words. I love them.

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  30. amy

    my best friend is the opposite end of the scale to stephanie, she’s a size 6 who more often than not has to take her clothes in, she doesn’t have a drug addiction or an eating disordered and it amazes me the ridiculous questions people ask me about her. she eats (a lot!) and doesn’t take drugs and yet people constantly make fun of her for her size. i get so frustrated with people calling her annorexic, people need to mind their own business and keep less than happy thoughts to themselves!

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  31. Guest

    Its terrible that people have to resort to remarking on physical appearance. I was berated at work where I was called “skinny bitch” everyday. I was fortunate enough to gain a transfer away from these unkind people.

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  32. Dani

    I am 25 and have been overweight all my life.

    For those that have posted positive comments – I thank you, and for those that have not – I say this….

    What seems like a nothing, off the cuff response to you, has lasting effects on others.

    I have been the subject of those nasty remarks all my life, and although I am working towards losing weight, those nasty comments stay with you – FOREVER!

    One in particular still haunts me (and it was said to me over 10yrs ago) – a bunch of girls were complaining about their weight, when one stopped and said – stop complaining, at least you don’t look like Dani!

    That one comment – is always in the back of my mind, reminding me that I’m ugly and not worth it and that I don’t deserve to be happy.

    So, once again for those that think its funny or in their right to make those comments, just remember that they hurt people in ways that you would never know!

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  33. deborah

    I’d like to see more thought taken to the clothing and fashion options for people who wear clothing size 18 and above. I have money to spend and nowhere to spend it. I am a senior manager but buy my work clothing from Target. I rejoice if I shop and find one or two items. It makes me so sad. Plus size clothing stores sell items made from cheap material with exaggerated prints. Just because I’m big doesn’t mean I want to look like a clown. There must be a reason that manufacturers don’t make for this market. We need to be able to buy suits, shirts, jeans, and they need to be able to fit. I spend my money in the US online (try macys.com).

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    • Bliss

      Some of the stuff is a little OTT, but have you tried City Chic? I really love their jeans, and I’ve got a few good tops and a jacket from there. It’s a bit of a process searching through all their stuff (and some of it is a bit expensive), but I’ve ‘liked’ them on Facebook and they occasionally post up photos of their new ranges.

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    • Anon

      You may want to try Igigi (www.igigi.com) for work clothing too. I’ve gotten some great suits for work from them. They don’t have much of a suit range at the moment because they’ve got their summer stock on sale right now, but later in the year they should have suits in stock again. Also try http://www.styleandsubstance.com.au. They are an Aussie online store that stocks Igigi and Kiyonna and other plus size brands. They have a lot of corporate/work appropriate wear (pretty much the opposite of City Chic), and I have had fantastic experiences shopping with them.

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      • Deborah

        Thank you for that. I haven’t heard if that website before and it looks really amazing. I’ve got a dress up event coming up that I was going to avoid because I couldn’t find anything but these look lovely. Thanks again!

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    • nikkiparkinsonhubbard

      The label Sara is excellent (online and at David Jones).

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  34. Amandarose

    It isn’t really very nice is it.
    And people really should lay off people who are trying to lose weight. As someone who was thin until this year let me tell you it is easy to stack on 15 kg in a year while trying to lose weight. I don’t know if I hit 30 and my metabolism perished or my eating habits changed to gradually I don’t notice the over eating.

    I plan to fix the issue over the next 12 months but It really is difficult.

    Everyone should mind their own business really and not judge a book by it’s cover

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  35. Lld

    Thanks for sharing this Bec. It truly is attritious the way that people treat other people.

    I also wanted to encourage MM that you are opinion makers and shapers. For me this article stood in stark contrast to the ‘liorexia’ article of the other day that, albeit unintentionally, trivialized eating disorders. That article could have benefitted so much not from the cop out ‘I didn’t make up the term so don’t blame me’ but instead acknowledging the original article, calling it out on the trivialization of anorexia but still inviting discussion on the whole idea of why we feel compelled to lie about what we eat.

    The judgement of women by other women is often so harsh. As this article highlights, men are not immune from this critical spirit either. We need to be challenged more often to be less judgmental and critical of others.

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  36. Angie

    I spent my life from the day I started school through to my early 40′s being at the receiving end of verbal taunts and silent body language looks all making it very clear that I was unwanted, unliked, despised, rejected and not worthy because of my weight and how I looked. The effect on me has been life long and lasting. I have been at a normal weight range now since my early 50′s but my head still tells me I am obese and ‘not like the others’ although this has improved over time and I am able to affirm my many qualities and achievements in life. However, I know that I will have this battle with mental/emotional image and food to my dying day – it will never be easy but I will battle on and make the most of my life.

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  37. pearl

    I once invited about 10 family members over for dinner and one of them (in front of everyone else) started asking me why I had put on so much weight and what I was going to do about it. She kept saying ‘I can’t believe you’ve gained so much, you’re young so why would you gain so much?”

    I was was so embarrassed I just kind of stumbled and stuttered and made excuses for my then weight gain. Now looking back I regret that I didn’t let her know how inappropriate her comments were in a room full of people. If she was genuinely concerned she could have asked me privately.

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  38. sweatlikeapig

    It’s hard for me to comment without offending someone, but I’ll do my best. First and foremost, I think it is appalling for someone to verbally abuse someone else for any reason, whether it’s based on sex, race or their weight.

    That being said, however, I do not think this an issue that can be just dismissed as being about heartless bullies. The western world is obese, and it’s just getting worse. As the definition of “normal weight” becomes more and more unclear, I’m worried that with posts like this the problem is only going to get worse. I’m no stranger to being judged by weight, growing up as a dancer. I’ve never been overweight, but certainly have been made to think I was (I recently posted a blog about my struggles with body image here: http://sweatlikeapig.wordpress.com/2011/07/05/overcoming-body-demons/ )

    I am a firm believer in the fact that you cannot blame being overweight on genetics or any other “uncontrollable” factor (and there have been plenty of research studies to back me up here!). Given how hard I work to look the way I do, I’m strongly of the opinion that most people cannot be bothered to do what I do. I feel proud when I’m judged on my body, because I worked damn hard to get it!

    So, yes, I do believe that overweight people should have to pay for two tickets on a train/plane. I think there should be a tax on junk food, and I think obese people should make some kind of extra contribution given their larger stress on the health system.

    ETA: Okay, damage control time! When I said I don’t think being overweight can be blamed on genetic issues, I’m talking about those women who blame their parents for their weight problem or use excuses like “I’m just big boned”. THAT is a load of crap. Of course, people who have genuine physiological disorders which make them put on weight for whatever reason are the exception, and I am not trying to criticise them. But I hear women who make these kind of genetics-based excuses on a daily basis, and 95 per cent of them are just delusional. If you don’t believe me, think about how often you hear men make the same kind of BS excuses…

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    • Rob

      of course people should pay for two seats if they take up two seats!

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    • gh

      you are exactly the type of people the article talks about, you are just spineless because you don’t say it to peoples face and hide behind a avatar on the net.

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      • sweatlikeapig

        I posted a link to my blog which clearly identifies me. I’m not hiding behind an avatar. I never look down at someone who is overweight – I just try to help them however I can.

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    • pearl

      Ever heard of Prader-Willi syndrome?

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      • ladybird73

        Nope. And rather than us all googling, please explain for the benefit of the class.
        Cheers x

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        • Lou

          Okay, from what I know of it:

          Medical condition where person always feels starving – their ‘fullness’ switch doesn’t work. Parents of kids with this have had to padlock their fridges because kids get so desperate and hungry overnight, they will eat anything to stop the feeling of being starving. Jordan’s son (another recent Mamamia article) has it.

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      • sweatlikeapig

        Sorry, I realise my statement was a little bit unclear and overgeneralising. I know there are people that legitimately have disorders such as Prader-Willi, but what I mean is that so many people who are overweight use excuses like “I’m genetically predisposed” and “I’m big boned”. Those people are just living in self-denial.

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    • Genny

      ” I think obese people should make some kind of extra contribution given their larger stress on the health system.”

      So then you also feel the same about smokers, drinkers, individuals with anorexia or bulimia and anyone who drives or travels in a car? Because they (and many more) all contribute to the stress on the health system and if you aren’t just trying to justify your prejudice and discrimination in this comment, then really you should feel that way.

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      • sweatlikeapig

        I get your point, and I absolutely think people who smoke or drink excessively should pay a tax!! Driving a car is a little bit of a different situation (and those who are reckless usually have to pay a higher insurance premium anyway). I don’t think anorexics and bulimics should be considered the same as someone who is obese. We can argue about this until the cows come home but I believe the former have a much more serious disorder that is far less in their control.

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        • Katy

          Why is choosing to drive a car different? About 7,000 people die in London each year due to car pollution- at least a fat person isn’t killing anyone else with their fat. And people who have anorexia require expensive medical treatment- surely you can see that they simply “choose” not to eat? How about extreme sports fans- why should I pay for their broken limbs? Or all those marathon runners and their shin splints- we had three people on crutches in my office this year thanks to their selfish desire to run 26 miles. And so on.

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    • Anonymous

      I just think being overweight or obese is just so much more complex than not being bothered to do anything about it.

      I have a massive psychological dependency on food and I’m in the healthy BMI range. I can’t imagine how hard it must be for larger people especially with strangers yelling out insults to you.

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    • Anonymouse

      What an absolutely load of total and utter crap.

      I am super-obese apparently and I go to the doctor 2 or 3 times a year to have my birth control updated. I am not on ANY medication because there is nothing wrong with me medically. I’m never at hospital, never at the chemist and I don’t eat junk food any more than the average person. You will never find ice cream, soft drink, frozen foods, chips, lollies or the like in my fridge/pantry.

      So why should I be paying extra for services I don’t use??????

      Whilst I don’t necessarily disagree with a tax on junk; I think that money should be used to subsidise the cost of fresh foods.

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      • sweatlikeapig

        I stand by my comment. Health is what you make it. I haven’t been to the doctor for something other than a pill prescription/pap smear in more than five years. Most people have a distorted idea of what ‘eating healthy’ actually is, and they never realise unless you are straight up with them. I have had countless obese women stand in front of me and tell me their diet is perfectly healthy, only to have them break down and admit they have a problem within a matter of days. My approach isn’t to baby people about weight loss – my speciality is being a hard arse!

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        • Who knew

          I have a medical condition that was brought on for no reason, up until I got it I was very active and healthy. I had to take drugs which made me very overweight, but since taking less of them as the disease got under control, I lost all the weight I gained. While I was overweight, people made some very unkind comments to me about my weight, it was impossible for them to understand, or to want to understand, that the drugs caused me to gain weight. I found it very hurtful at the time. Not everyone can control their weight all the time, some things are really beyond our control. I wish more people would understand this.

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    • M

      Look, I understand your point, but you’re not helping at all. Taxing junk food, charging people for 2 tickets, extra contribution because of the strain on the health system. . . . What?!!

      That is so heartless and makes me sick. That wouldn’t help anyone. All it would do is alienate overweight people and make them feel worse. If you want people to be happy and healthy: love them, appreciate them, open their eyes to their value.

      I find your comments very short sighted.

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      • pearl

        Agree with you 100%

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      • Anonymous

        I don’t agree with everything sweatlikeapig says… but I do agree with paying extra for aeroplane seats.

        I once got on a plane to travel to London and was seated next to a morbidly obese person. I could not even get into my own seat properly, let alone lean back against the back of the chair.

        There was no way I could travel 24 hours like this and so asked the staff if they could move us. Luckily the flight was not full so we were able to change seats. But if there had been no other seats, I would have had to perch on the end of a seat that I paid $2k for, just because the person next to me was so large she was taking up almost two plane seats.

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        • Bo

          100000000000000000000000% agree

          Your right to be obese ends where another person’s aeroplane seat begins!

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    • happy friday

      Have you heard of poly-cystic ovary disease?
      The next fat woman you are disparaging about may suffer from this. She may also have the added bonuses of facial hair and fertility problems just to name a few. Awesome.
      So there may be lots of overweight people out there that eat crap and never exercise, but not all overweight folk can be held responsible for the way they look.

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      • sweatlikeapig

        Please see my comment above. I wasn’t trying to criticise women who genuinely have a physiological disorder, just those who pretend like they do…

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        • happy friday

          Well, I’m glad you amended your comment!

          However, I was responding to the bit of your comment that says:

          “I am a firm believer in the fact that you cannot blame being overweight on genetics or any other “uncontrollable” factor”-

          maybe you should amend that bit too.

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    • nikkiparkinsonhubbard

      I hope you never get Hashimoto’s Disease, where your thyroid is destroyed and your metabolism with it. Your comment is ill-informed.

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    • La

      Us fat lazy slobs will do that as soon as you pay extra for hurting yourself with too much exercise. Get a grip. EVERY body is different. Just because you’ve experienced something, doesn’t mean it’s the same for everyone else. You are very narrow-minded. There are plenty of genetic issues invoved with weight. There are plenty of studies for this side as well. How about everyone mind their own business! When the smokers, drinkers, eating disordered, diseased population of the world starts having to pay more for their health insurance, then maybe it’s okay to charge the fatties for their healthcare. Ridiculous!

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      • sweatlikeapig

        I have never been to the doctor for exercising too much, and that is such a stupid argument to make. Please see my comments above – I wasn’t trying to criticise those who have legitimate disorders. And as I also said above, I think you should pay more for your health insurance if you fall into any of those categories, not just being obese.

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    • Alexie

      A couple of months ago, I was in chemotherapy outpatients and saw lots of breast cancer patients every day. A LOT of them put on weight because of the hormonal treatments they were having. It’s very typical – the woman next to me gained 20 kilos very rapidly, to her distress. And guess what? They started to get the guilt crap about their weight too.

      Guess what? Just because you work ‘hard’ for your body doesn’t mean you have a right to comment on other people’s, unless you’re an endocrinologist as well.

      I hope you don’t have an illness where you suddenly stack on weight. Let’s see: any mental health issue (the medication can cause rapid obesity); thyroid problems; hormonal treatments; any illness where they give you cortisone; menopause…

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      • sweatlikeapig

        Hi Alexie. Sorry to offend. I have amended my comment above to (hopefully) make it clear that I wasn’t talking about people who genuinely have genetic disorders – I’m talking about those women who make similar excuses with no grounds to do so.

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    • Lulu

      “I’m talking about those women who blame their parents for their weight problem or use excuses like “I’m just big boned”. ”

      We don’t only get genes from our families – we also get habits, culture, etc etc. All of those can affect weight.

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  39. farmers wife

    Before I had my children I was thin (48-53kgs), and used to be told often that I must be anorexic etc.
    I put on 20 kgs in my 1st pregnancy and had a gorgeous 4.1kg girl. I was then told “my doctor let me get too big”. My daughter is now 12 and despite her large birth weight is now v. thin and petite, and I now constantly get told she is so tiny, can’t believe she is in year 7. At a party once the other mums laughed that my child would win musical bobs as she is closest to the ground. ( this from a woman who is a teacher!) It all hurts, and I always marvel at other people’s rudeness. My girl and I are both v. healthy and have never dieted, we eat really well thank you. I was so anxious about the comments I took her to my G.P. to check she was O.K. , which she reassured me she is fine. I wouls NEVER dream of making judgment on others appearance, weight etc, it is rude. But others certainly don’t offer me that respect. It seems whatever weight you are or however you look, there will always be someone to criticize.

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  40. Romy

    This post has motivated me to start going to the gym after work again

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    • Newy Girl

      Awesome! That’s so cool. It’s amazing what can motivate us hey.
      Good on you xxxx

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  41. Anonymous

    Boys and Men are just cruel (not all of them, but these ones we’re discussing here) and I actually don’t think they’re insecure about themselves, that is just a cop out. They are being vain, horrible and judgemental human beings. In saying that, Females, are just as bad too. I have had it with comments about people’s appearances. This has caused eating disorders, low self-esteem and other body image issues. It’s not going to stop, but chin up everyone, and I wouldn’t say ‘give it back to them’ but stick up for yourselves.

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    • Fat Heffalump

      Some of the worst offenders at spewing hate at me for being a fat person have been women. And not the women you would expect. Well dressed women clearly going to work in the city, posh looking women at high-end department stores, Mums with their kids in earshot… and it’s not just “lose weight fatty” – I’ve been called a “fat c**t”, spat on, pushed, had coffee cups thrown at me… all by women who to look at, look like butter wouldn’t melt in their mouths.

      Women just like many of the commenters here who seem to find it a difficult concept that fat people don’t need to be “patrolled” into thinness.

      That isn’t to say men and boys don’t do it too, but don’t think it’s just some drunk bloke or teenage boy, or only “rough” women… in fact the worst fat hatred I’ve seen has all come from supposedly “civilised” people.

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      • Nico

        What the hell is wrong with people?!? Jesus.

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      • M

        That makes me so sad. I’m so sorry you’ve through that. It says a lot more about them than it does about you.

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      • Mia

        Fat Heffalump, that is just appalling and unforgiveable. I am shocked that people can behave like that.
        Where does the ANGER come from? What on earth does your weight have to do with them? Shocker.
        I have a question for you though, I’ve often wondered why you go by the handle “fat heffalump”.
        Aren’t you insulting yourself or is it about reclaiming terms like that?
        Genuine question, asked with respect. :)

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        • Fat Heffalump

          Oh there’s absolutely no insult taken at all Mia, it’s a valid question.

          It’s a reclamation and a celebration of the very taunt that used to hurt me so much. It’s MINE now, I earned the right to choose how I used it, after a lifetime of having the word “fat” used to hurt me. I realised that the best way to stop people from hurting me with the word fat was to own it. I am fat. Just the same as I am intelligent, funny, passionate, empathetic and a myriad of other things.

          Plus a dear friend made me a beautiful artwork to go with it, so I’m deeply fond of my Fat Heffalump username now.

          I just found the original blog post I wrote back in 2009 about the choice of name:

          http://fatheffalump.wordpress.com/2009/07/13/whats-in-a-name/

          The anger… I’m not sure. It comes from a mix of things. Self loathing is the biggie I think – as a fat person I represent all of the things they fear and hate about themselves. But I also think part of it is the need to push other people down to make themselves feel better.

          A happy, healthy person doesn’t need to belittle or bully others. They don’t even need to judge others as anything negative by their appearance – fat, unhealthy, lazy, greedy, ugly… any of those things.

          Happy, healthy people live their lives to the full, surrounded by the people and things they love, focused on those things, rather than on judging others by their appearances. Happy, healthy people learn to measure the value of folks by their behaviour and attitudes, not what they look like, how they dress or any other arbitrary measure.

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          • catherinemackenziefreemantle

            Reclaim! My dad bought me a gold pig on a chain when I was 16 to help me reclaim “bush-pig” – a fabulously flattering nickname I had at high school to go with the squealing noises whenever I walked on by. To this day – some 20 years later – he still calls me “Bushy” when he knows I need a chuck under the chin. :)

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      • oliveblanche

        Omg that’s horrible! People can be so vile. I studied behavioral science and I still can’t believe the way people behave. I get the theory of mob mentality and moral panic but seriously shouldn’t we have evolved to the point where we can check our own behavior and say to ourselves “hmm maybe I shouldn’t do this just to fit in because it may hurt someone, I am better than this”. Why do we as a society always have to have a scapegoat?! Are we really that primitive still? Drives me mental!

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      • Anonymous

        So right Fat Heffalump, it’s people from all walks of life, and it saddens me to think that parents do it in front of children. I’m a school teacher and the WORST part of my day is NOT when children throw things around the classroom (isn’t good though!), don’t get their homework done, or can’t grasp a concept that I am trying to teach – it’s when a little boy comes crying to me saying that ‘those boys called me a fat f**ker’ – OR when girls gang up on girls (and this goes on for weeks and months) about their weight, big nose, wobbly legs, or horrible hair. I LOATHE this part of my job. No learning can out do this and overlook this part of the day. I HATE bullying and one day it will probably lose me my job because I’m a STRONG advocate against it. Especially when it comes to body image.

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  42. just me

    We had a conversation at work the other day about how the majority of the female population are NEVER happy with their body….no matter how fat/skinny/tall/short etc they are.
    I have had anorexia for long time now, and I know this takes me out of the average person in society, however for me- I am NEVER happy with my body/weight/image. I can sympathise with anyone with self-image doubts…..however what really angers me and disappoints me is that people assume I also judge others on their weight. This is so completely untrue. I wish so much that I wasn’t this way, and wasn’t so critical of my own body, especially seeing as I’m not of anybody else’s.
    Being skinny isn’t the be all and end all…….although part of me believes that….but unfortunately the people around us (the one’s that DON’T matter) are always going to find something wrong with everyone. And I suppose I would rather be criticized for my weight/appearance than my morals or personality.
    Now to make myself actually believe that!

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  43. Scr'apple

    I find it deplorable that anyone would ridicule or abuse someone in public who is obese or grossly overweight. I’m of the attitude that people like that probably already feel pretty terrible about themselves and why would you want to make someone feel worse than they already do? It’s not like they don’t know they’re overweight or how they look in the mirror. For a large person whose self-esteem is probably already in the red zone, it is beyond me how anyone could be cruel enough to make them feel even worse about them self. The fact alone that they know nothing about the person they’re humiliating beyond their size, is appalling. The lack of empathy and compassion is sickening and people who chose to humiliate others on the basis of their weight are just bullies with their ‘ugly’ on the inside.

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  44. Julie Parker

    I just wanted to say thanks for sharing this Bec. We have such a long way to go before we can say we are truly a society that accepts all people as they are. People are bullied and discriminated against because of their size and appearance all the time and it’s not ok or acceptable in any way. I hope your article brings about much understanding and compassion because it is sorely needed.

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  45. anonyforthis

    Thanks Bec, I love your writing. This almost made me cry.

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  46. Karen

    The title of this article isn’t very nice “Discrimination of Fat People”.

    I also hate the words Obese, Overweight, Chunky, Fat Cow etc.

    Judging a person on appearance without knowing them and their abilities is small minded and “most” people with weight struggle accepting it, or doing something about it. We don’t need reminding were big. I got bigger when I gave up smoking. I regularly exercise, eat smaller portions and I don’t eat much junk food or drink alcohol so I can’t understand why I’m not losing more than a few pounds.

    Whatever happened to beautiful on the inside?

    Its what’s in your heart that matters, not what your body looks like. I’ve met women who are skinny or big and I don’t know why but skinny and even big people are guilty of judging others about clothing, looks etc.

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    • lizbiz

      but isn’t ‘obese’ a medical term, not something coming from small-mindedness? it’s more likely been abused by the people as described above

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      • Karen

        Morbid-Obese aka Obese but that doesn’t mean to say that only the medical profession uses those words. There are so many hurtful words out there that we’re called, if children were taught there are many kinds of people, black, white, asian, slim, big, short, tall etc then they’d be more educated and wod tend to be less hurtful or become bullies. I think education from a young age that there’s all kinds of people and that doesn’t make the slim, pretty ones superior then we’d have less people making fun of peoe who look different be it skin colour or weight.

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        • Ella

          Medically we seem to be learning more towards calling obese patients “bariatric” nowdays.

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    • happy friday

      What sort of terminology would you recommend?
      Like it or not people are always going to label other people.
      Short, white, stupid, skinny. All these words and many more will always be used as adjectives. What can we do?
      And trust me “beautiful on the inside” will never take off.

      I’m sorry this sounds mean, but I am genuinely curious.

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  47. AT

    One of the issues here is groups of young Australian men thinking it’s okay to act that way. I feel threatened when I get on a train and see a group of boys. How is it they are like that?

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  48. Karen

    Two things I absolutely hate are the words FAT and PLUS SIZE. I don’t know what I would describe myaelf as, some people would use either of thoelse words I hate but just because we’re not skinny that doesn’t mean we don’t have issues with our bodies or anything else. I’d never call anyone a fatso or tease them. I think a lot of the name calling comes from people who are showing off in front of friends or people who just have no common sense.

    I went shopping recently with a size 10 friend, she was looking for a cardigan, in a shop clearly not carrying my size clothing and the Small was too small for her, the Medium still too small so she went for the XL and that was even too small for her, we asked the sales guy why an XL was small and her said it was a size 12 (a size 12 is an XL?) she’s 10 and this XL didn’t fit so he suggested she might need to try a
    Plus size clothing store! We laughed – just the sheer thought of my skinny size 10 friend requiring plus size, but laugh turned to anger and I let rip. I’ll never go to that shop again! So even if your a Size 10 it seems your “plus size” according to this store!

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    • Anon

      No wonder people feel bad about their bodies.
      That is bloody ridiculous.
      There should be a fine for stores/labels that produce/stock clothing like that, it’s just plain wrong.

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      • Karen

        I agree completely. Its all down to fashion designers use of size 0 to size 6 models and gorgeous celebs that make the stores carry small sizes. They don’t want to make beautiful clothes for normal people or the slightly bigger people. I find the same with shoes too. Everythig fashionable & high end are up to Size 6 or 7 and I’m a size 8 foot. I’d love to buy a pair of Jimmy Choo or Laboutin’s but have no chance because designer’s don’t want bigger feet in their shoes. This is endless, there are so ma y things we as people need to learn, accept, come to an understanding and fashion houses need to realise that big peoe want stylish well made clothes, not tents and not figure hugging. Tbe only style dress I can wear with confidence is an Empire line because its above my waist and is a bit roomier. I can go on and on about how big people are treated because I’ve been bigger for years and like I said it was because I gave up smoking. I’d rather have more meat on my bones than be diagnosed with cancer from smoking. If we all loomed the same what a boring world it would be. No offense to smokers intended.

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        • Bo

          As someone who has worked in a shoe shop I can tell you, 100% that Jimmy Choo and Christian Loubotin carry a sz 8 shoe…..sz 8 is amongst the most common sizes…..so I really don’t understand your comment??

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    • ladybird73

      What shop was it? Name and shame, girlfriend!

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      • Karen

        Forever 21.

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        • ladybird73

          Well, we don’t have it it WA but when/if we get it, I shall BOYCOTT!
          Especially rude because the name implies that it’s clothes for every age if they want to feel 21 – when it sounds like no-one over 16 could fit into the changerooms, let alone the clothes.

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        • pearl

          Forever 21′s sizes are so small its ridiculous. Seriously their size small must be for infants because I don’t know how your average person could fit into it.

          A few years ago I was an australian size 8 and I would always have to buy a LARGE when shopping at that store.

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          • Jess88

            I think stores like Foever 21 base their clothing on Asian sizing? Asian women are notoriously smaller than Australian women so that might be why their clothing is soooo tiny. Which sucks for an aussie size 12 like me.

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  49. Punkernickle

    So I picked up a copy of That’s Life the other day (for the puzzles! for the puzzles!) and there was story of a lady in the US who had weighed over 200kg (closer to 250 from memory) and is now down to 66kg. Through… Zumba. She’s even a Zumba instructor, now! That was inspiring.

    Back to me…

    I am not obese, but I am the heaviest I have ever been in my life. I am only a size 12 and as I have an hourglass shape, I carry it well.

    I am trying to lose 10kg.

    Other than I just plain love food, my problem is that people don’t think I am large enough to be supportive of when I am trying to lose weight. Because, “You look fine!”

    Yes, I do. I also have fine bones, a family history of diabetes and heart disease, and weak knees and thanks to the weight I’m carrying around on my chest, I often have a sore back and shoulders!

    So… I can lose 10kg now, or I can pay for it later, and I’d like to have my life in control now, before the task gets daunting.

    We just don’t seem to be winning on this weight issue. Obese people aren’t being supported, thin people aren’t being supported, ‘normal’ sized people aren’t being supported.

    Whatever is out there in the world trying to help these things are not working.

    Anyone have a better solution?

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    • Amy

      I feel you!! I gained 10kg last year, but am still by no stretch of the imagination large or overweight, but I am miserable. I hate all recent photos of me. I cover up. I’m self conscious. I’ve lost almost half of it but it is hard to find support, but very easy to be shamed. I don’t care if everyone else thinks I’m silly or overdramatic for wanting to get rid of it, I want to be able to enjoy myself without running from a camera and to wear my old clothes!!

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      • Punkernickle

        Exactly!

        I put on 20kg over three years (admittedly, I needed about half of that!) in my last job when I worked in the food industry… I would just like to get back down to my “happy weight” again.

        I start running training this week, and climbing in a couple of week… Fingers crossed!

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        • Amy

          Running tops my list of least favourite activities so you have my respect! Good luck!! XX

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          • Punkernickle

            Thanks! :)

            It’s my first ever running experience, I’ve signed up for the 9km Bridge Run in September with CanToo. Pretty excited!

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            • Kirstchick

              Hey that’s really great you have started running. And Cantoo are really supportive & inspiring. I have run all my life but had a break for two years to have two boys. I am now back & really loving it…nothing like that natural endorphin high to get me up in the early morning. Best of luck w the bridge run.

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  50. haz1902

    I bet the boys who were laughing at Sonja look at themselves in the mirror at night and pick themselves to bits.. I’m too skinny…too fat…too hairy…my nose is too big..i have no muscles…So they are probably very insecure people. Also like a monkey troop, there is always the ‘silverback’ person in the group that starts up this kind of dialogue, while there are some in the group that go along with it out of fear for ‘silver’ ..

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