So I made a bit of a mess of my original post on this last week. I would very much like to delete it because I wrote it in a hurry while on holidays and I didn’t properly articulate myself. AT ALL.
But this is the Interweb not a court of law so there’s no need to strike things from the record. I’m human. I sometimes have non-fully-formed thoughts. I sometimes change my mind. I’m happy to own that.
Anyway, this is not at all about me. The conversation has moved on since then and become a full-blown media story, clearly springboarded by the post and explosion of comments on Mamamia – your words are influential, people, remember that. When you make a noise and react strongly to something, mainstream media notice.
Like any issue that provokes a passionate response on a large scale, this has gone way beyond one woman and one magazine cover.
It’s tapped into some potent truths about how we feel about a bunch of things: magazines, Photoshop, aging, sexism and also our complex feelings about our own bodies.

Deborah Hutton photographed (without her knowledge) yesterday. This image does not make me feel bad about myself. You?
That’s enough for a dozen posts right there and they are indeed issues we will continue to examine in a bunch of different ways in days and weeks and months to come. It’s what we do at Mamamia and the conversation is never finished.
Debate is good! Disagreeing is good! That, to me, is how feminism works. A bunch of smart people speaking their minds.
RESPECTFULLY.
That word is important.
In all this discussion over the past week about AWW, I’ve been disappointed and upset that a very small minority of people think it’s ok to attack Deborah Hutton personally.
Not on. Not here. No way.
I believe we can debate things without being rude or abusive. If you don’t believe that, bugger off. Deborah is a real person who is online reading what is being written.
Remember that before you leave a comment – here or anywhere else.
OK, so here are some of the truths I’ve taken from the past week:
1. ATTRACTIVE WOMEN MAKE SOME WOMEN FEEL BAD ABOUT THEMSELVES
This is baffling to me. And sad. I’ve always liked looking at images of attractive women. Frankly, I find pictures of women (and actual women) more interesting to look at than men and I’m clearly not alone in this since women are generally on the cover of men’s AND women’s magazines.
If I feel bad about the way I look, is that Charlize Theron’s fault? That’s a pretty disturbing line of thought. If I feel bad about what I’ve achieved in my career, is that Mark Zuckerberg’s fault for achieving so much more?
Is the key to female self esteem REALLY surrounding yourself with people less attractive than you? And by whose measure? And is the key to having a positive body image only seeing images of bodies that are ‘worse’ than yours?
I don’t think so. I think the key is diversity. I think the key is feeling like there is a wide spectrum of what is considered attractive and thus knowing that you probably fit in there somewhere. Of course it’s also crucial that women be celebrated for what they can do as well as how they look. VERY CRUCIAL THAT.
2. IMAGES OF BULLSHIT MAKE SOME WOMEN FEEL BAD ABOUT THEMSELVES
This, I understand. Because me too. Yes, yes, I know some people will always insist ‘well duh, you shouldn’t compare yourself to other women’ but it’s not as simple as that.
The very purpose of magazines and advertising is to portray what is considered ‘desirable’ and I don’t just mean that in a sexual way.
Look, I can live with the fact that I am not Helena Christensen. But don’t you think it’s majorly messed up that even Helena Christensen (whenever she appears in print) is not Helena Christensen? That is what is making women angry. THAT is what we’ve had a gut full of.
3. MAGAZINE EDITORS BELIEVE HUMAN FEATURES WILL COST THEM SALES
This, I’ve always thought is rubbish. Still do. I mean, WTF. And yet it is the fundamental argument that underpins the entire issue of Photoshopping and fake images.
Editors talk about not being able to “risk” an unairbrushed image on a cover. They talk about the need to produce a “commercial product”.
This means they honestly believe we will all run shrieking in horror from the news stands at the sight of Deborah Hutton’s sun spots or Ricki Lee’s stretch marks (I have no idea if Ricki Lee does actually have stretch marks but we’d never know because they would ALWAYS be airbrushed out of a photo).
Come on, you either buy mags or you don’t (I mostly don’t for all the reasons detailed in this post). I get that there is glamour involved in magazines but surely having your hair and make-up professionally done, your clothes chosen for you and pinned so they’re just right, thousands of dollars worth of flattering lighting aimed in your direction and talented photographers who know how to capture your best angle is ENOUGH glamour?
Come on editors, give us some bloody credit. Either your readers want to buy your product or not. A few freckles or sunspots or stretch marks or lines or wrinkles or (gasp) a rounded tummy or thighs that TOUCH are not going to make people turn away from the newstands in horror.
In fact – are you listening? – what if they made us MORE likely to buy your magazine? What if a bit of reality along with the glamour is the KEY to increasing sales?
Well, there’s a revolutionary thought for 2012. Who’s going to be ‘brave’ enough to try it? Come on editors, sales are dire. What do you have to lose by swimming against the Photoshop tide?
4. WOMEN ARE JACK OF BEING LIED TO
Oh yes we are. We’re sick of looking at images of people who don’t exist. We’re sick of being told – by photographers and editors and advertisers – that even the most beautiful women in the world, women who are deemed attractive enough to sell millions of magazines and beauty products are themselves not good enough and in need of (often) drastic airbrushing.
Because the message is that if women like Deb Hutton and Miranda Kerr aren’t good enough? What does that directly imply about the rest of us?
And if no woman is good enough – if we ALL need ‘help’ from a computer, isn’t that pretty fucked up?
5. DECLARATION OF PHOTOSHOP IS BETTER THAN NOT
I’m sad to say that I don’t think Photoshop is going anywhere. I don’t mean to sound defeatist about it and I think we need to keep debating it and questioning it and criticising it and stamping our feet a lot. But no society has ever de-industrialised. Going backwards doesn’t happen. So what to do? You tell me. Voting with our wallets is one thing we can do. So is questioning ALL editors about how much retouching they do – on their covers and on the images inside. Every month. So is demanding that the declaration of Photoshop be mandatory (you can read about that here). Surely that’s a start?
6. SOME WOMEN BELIEVE PHOTOSHOP IS A PERSONAL CHOICE, JUST LIKE HAVING BOTOX OR GETTING A BOOB JOB.
This to me has been a really interesting thing to consider. I’m not going to write much about it today because I’m not yet quite sure what I think about it. As a feminist, I’m all about choice. And yet……there is of course a bigger picture at play. What impact do the individual choices of individual women – influential women – have on the rest of us?
I can refuse to have my own photos airbrushed but do I have the right to demand you don’t airbrush yours?
I’d be interested to hear what you think about all of this…..all of it.







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I have just finished devouring Bossypants by Tina Fey (which I assume you have too Mia…) and she talks about photo shopping a lot. Her view is that its never going away, get used to it, but it just needs to be used better and more honestly.
I like her idea that photo shopping is “okay to make a photo look as if you were caught on your best day in the best light”, not recreating body shapes and removing limbs from people.
Deborah Hutton looks amazing on the cover, credit to her, for both her beautiful body and her braveness (as if it wasn’t going to court controversy). It’s a good example of photo shopping.
BUT, I agree that it’s not fair for people to look at a picture and be led to believe that it’s not been altered. The declaration of photo shopping on a picture does need to be mandatory.
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Beautiful photo of a beautiful woman. Mia I don’t think your oriignal story was off the mark. The less you think about someting the more honest and open it often is. I think you’ve tempered this story a bit more which removes some raw emotion. Say it as you feel it!
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OMG is that DH I did not even recognise her, she definetly does not look like that in the flesh, she is a beautiful looking woman and incredible at 50, but not that incredible.
AWW have put DH nude on the cover ‘incredible at 50′ they could have a least kept it a natural looking 50 not photo shopped it to 30.
Or perhaps they could have called the article ‘DH photo shopped to look 30 incredible at 50′
PS when did the AWW become a porn mag?? I thought AWW was all about gossip and recipes, if we wanted nudity, grab the playboy
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It is a tasteful nude though.
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Well done Mia, I think this is a great post.
I’ve been spending a lot of time at the beach the past few days, and it’s been great to see so many women (and men) of all sorts of ages and sizes, in their swimmers out there enjoying themselves. Not many of whom look as slender and glowing as Deborah Hutton (or any other model), but who have obviously at some point made up their minds not to let it get in the way of having a good time.
Sometimes I think the amount of focus that we as a society give to “body issues” in relation to women is way over-the-top. It sets up an expectation, that this is how we are meant to feel. We are meant to worry about wrinkles, stretch marks, tan lines, flabby bits, hair sticking out, etc. etc. I wonder if we stopped talking about it *so* much – even when the talking about it is filled with good intentions – we would stop worrying about it. Can you imagine becoming a teenage girl and not worrying about this stuff? You’d be so left out.
In relation to air brushing on this site, I think you should totally make MM airbrush free. The way I see it, you, Mia are the biggest spokesperson for this issue. I’m a graphic designer (though not with magazines), and even I was quite unaware of the entire issue before I started reading MM. It’s been completely because of your posts and lots of great comments that I am now aware of it. So totally you should take a stand on this one – at the very least have a large warning on images that are.
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Oh my gosh, you’re so right! We are told we are meant to complain about ourselves and have bits we ‘hate’. It’s like the competition of ‘who hates their job more’, which a lot of people fall into the trap of complaining about.
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“God. My hips are huge!”
“Oh please. I hate my calves.”
“At least you guys can wear halters. I’ve got man shoulders.”
“My hairline is so weird.”
“My pores are huge.”
“My nail beds suck.”
… *pause*….
“I have really bad breath in the morning.”
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Is it bad if I aspire to be you?
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Ha! Don’t. Just laugh. That’s all it is. Look at life, have a laugh.
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So you’re a normal, healthy young woman. Go with the flow MissT (as you always do).
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Is there subtext to that?
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It was a compliment.
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Wasn’t sure. Text can be so tricky!!
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Love love love Mean Girls – I was thinking of this scene reading the above comments!!!!
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So glad someone got it! I couldn’t read Picardie’s comment without thinking of it
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Loved the man-shoulders line… especially ridiculous because Rachel McAdams is insanely beautiful.
Not sure why it is we all have parts that we think could be improved upon, or that we skew our perception of (I think it’s far more complicated than images in magazines)…. It has got me thinking, however, that why are we so hard on just accepting ourselves ‘as we are’ physically when it’s perfectly acceptable to want to improve ourselves in other areas (become better parents, friends, more informed, smarter, kinder etc etc). Is it because those things relate to the internal? Maybe… But why shouldn’t the external have some value/merit too? Just got me thinking…
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I think it’s because they’re easier to change. You can learn to be a better parent, friend, kinder. You can’t learn to be a 6 foot amazonian goddess.
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If I wanted to look at “real” women, I’d look around me. I don’t want to spend money on a glossy magazine to do so.
I expect my mag covers to be photoshopped, I expect there not to be any fat women in the pages. I buy a magazine to be inspired, entertained, taken away to another place- not for “reality”.
We women are a huge contradiction. We whinge about one thing, and in the next breath, justify it. (Mia is a perfect example here).
Why can’t we just accept the way somethings are?? Why is EVERYTHING a fight? Why can’t we just be matter of fact about it??
The world would be a much easier place.
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Your much easier world without the fight would mean that you would be married young, you would not work once you were married because married women don’t work. You would need your husband’s or father’s or other man’s permission and guarantee to borrow money from the bank. You wouldn’t earn the same amount of money for the same work as a man (still working on this….). That is just a couple of things women have fought for over time. There is so much more we have achieved because someone has been willing to fight for women’s rights.
So I don’t agree that it would be much easier but it would certainly be a lot less liberated.
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So it’s just me that is so surprised that the cover has resulted in 3 posts (well 2 plus an update) and such a huge number of comments and debate?! A beautiful older woman who is comfortable in her body is on the cover of a major woman’s magazine with minimal airbrushing. Great!
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Finally someone I can agree with. Let’s embrace the positives & move on.
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What do I think? I think this is a bloody great post. You’re at your very best when you are highly observational, Mia.
On the magazines front – I don’t buy them. But if they featured more reality then maybe I would. And so might some of my friends. As you quite rightly pointed out. Maybe they need a new mantra, like “Authenticity Sells”? x
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I’m with you picardie.girl I don’t buy these magazines at all. I would never have known about the cover if I hadn’t read about it here. It’s not just the covers that give me the cranks it’s a lot of the content that I find mind numbing. Give me a good book any day.
I can’t see anything wrong with the beach shot in her bikini she looks fantastic and natural. I would much rather see that in a magazine.
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Personally, I don’t understand why Deborah’s cover caused such a bloody uproar in the first place! Do we all really have THAT much spare time on our hands and nothing else to worry about in life that we’ve made it “front page news” (pun intended)?
I haven’t even looked through the mag myself, but boy, with all the hullaballoo the media have given it, I really don’t feel the need to. The image has been brandished all over TV and I’m assuming sales of this month’s edition would surely have skyrocketed as a result? At the very least it’s encouraged people waiting in line at Woollies to sneak in their free peek? Perhaps in essence that’s all WW intended to do (nooo…surely not)…get some attention and drive more sales by:
a) putting a lovely pic of a lovely woman in the nud on their cover and
b) photoshopping her a bit to make her look even more fab than she does already, and
c) waiting for the shit to hit the fan, when
d) everyone works out it’s been (gasp) photoshopped!
Either way, WW had won before the mag ever hit the stands. Whether it be about nudity, the need to be nude on a cover, age, weight, photoshopping or all of the above, it caused it’s controversy (and let’s face isn’t that what ALL media set out to do with those stupid sensationalised, attention-grabbing 2-word headlines anyway?
Sigh…
Speaking of those annoying 2-word attention grabbing headlines….while I’m at it, mind if I have a little whinge about one of my fave shows? Sunrise. It too has recently become more like a live Magazine cover with Kochie and Mel reading out those stupid 2-word headlines to grab out attention. Drives me crazy as they put on that serious voice to read out 2 words which I’m pretty sure the viewer can read all by themselves! Just put the big bloody super up on the screen (if you must) and speak about the impending story instead of ramming the headline down our throats each time as you go. Please? Pretty please? There. Not really that important, I know, but it’s another example of headline-screaming which isn’t much different to what every show has been doing to us with the Women’s Weekly cover story isn’t it?
Thanks for listening…I’ll get off my soap-box now…
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Yes Mia, give us the truth – sure it’s nice to see beautiful images on the front cover but keep it real, there is lots of real beauty out there and be truthful about photoshop – editors need to stand up and be counted – there is nothing like authentic. Good article.
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Deborah’s face is the first thing I see, she looks happy, and to be that happy, confident and comfortable in your own skin on the front of AWW deserves acknowledgment.
I couldn’t do it at all, airbrushing or no airbrushing, and I think Deb had the right to choose to be airbrushed, albeit minimally.
However, I feel we also should have the right to choose how we view the images, ie with a disclaimer that they have been airbrushed to add a touch of reality to the warped magazine world view.
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I really like point number 4. I think most of us understand that what is aesthetically pleasing will sell magazines and that beautiful women will always be used in photoshoots etc. but the problem with photoshopping is that it is setting an unachievable goal for women and, more importantly, teenage girls. It is a completely expected (and mostly unavoidable) part of life that we will all get acne/stretch marks/sun spots/wrinkles one day, but by photoshopping these already beautiful women it is silently sending a message that by getting these ‘imperfections’ YOU are the abnormal one, not the handful of models who have had these imperfections airbrushed out.
Going through high school is hard enough without the pressure to look like someone who doesn’t exist.
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I would be unhappy about the photoshop if it made her thinner, but I don’t see anything wrong with the photoshopping that’s been done. If my photo was going to be on the front cover of a magazine, I would want some parts to be airbrushed. I am self conscious about the surgical scars on my knee and can’t even imagine what it would be like to have that on my face. God forbid.
Everyone is getting worked up over nothing.
My first thought when I saw the cover was, “it IS possible to look great at 50!” I thought it was inspirational. It certainly didn’t make me feel bad about myself.
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I’ve never understood why looking at images of beautiful women would make other women feel bad. I love to admire the beauty of women just as I love to admire works of art or beautiful scenery. To me they can be nature’s works of art. It doesn’t make me feel bad about myself. I don’t compare myself to them but I might try out their hairstyle. My youngest sister was a model and I know how much went into making her look the way she did in a photo or on the catwalk so maybe on a subconscious level I know that they don’t look that way when they are at home in their trackies on the weekend.
I do agree that photoshopping and Botox, etc has gotten out of hand. I would like more women to feel proud of the lines on their face.
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I like the photo of DH. It has nice lighting and composition. I did not for one second think it wasn’t photoshopped. I understand that you praised it for breaking the age barriers often associated with what is presented as a sexy women in the media.
However from the photo in the bikini DH looks about a size 10. On the cover of WW she looks like about a 6. I think that is why there was such a strong reaction. Forever you have said you are against photoshop, then you say you LOVE this particular photo which has clearly been photoshopped.
If DH wants to pose naked thats her choice. She is a very attractive woman with a great body. For any age. It would be great to see the same image un-photoshopped and see peoples reaction to it then. Would it recieve the same amount of adulation?
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Well if it wasn’t a naked shot it certainly wouldn’t have attracted this sort of attention – and surely magazine editors seek to create covers which attract attention.
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I’ve been a fan of Deborah Huttons for as long as I can remember. She is gorgeous and has always been a fabulously stylish and classy personality.
. And I really dont have a problem with that. If she took a few sunspots out who cares? At least she didnt have a wrinkle free taught face like a 12yo child. I didnt look at the cover photo and hate myself because I dont look like her. That concept is weird to me. I’m happy as I am and am proud of my body and what its done for me. Why would I want to look like someone else? Personally I think producing images of people who are chock a block with botox and fillers is far more misleading. I would like to see more honesty with people who have these sorts of procedures done. Photoshop isnt the real person, its just tampering an image. Tampering the real person is the concern for me.
When I opened my copy of AWW last week my first reaction to my husband was ‘wow she looks incredible’. He actually told me to go and buy the mag because he saw the ad on tv and thought she looked hot. I checked the side of the page to see if the images had been altered and was surprised when it said they had been because she looked fabulous but really natural – there was no sign of the shiny smooth botox face that we see on TV all the time these days
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Julia Gillard is also 50…
Would we expect/accept Julia Gillard to pose naked for anything?
Of course not. There would be a huge outcry about diminishing her position as Prime Minister or diminishing herself as a woman…
The same rule should apply to any woman…or man…I mean, how would you feel about the idea of Tony Abbott posing naked on the cover of a magazine…it just doesn’t make sense either…
I’m not a prude and nudity doesn’t worry me…but in most circumstances nudity doesn’t equate to empowerment…
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“in most circumstances nudity doesn’t equate to empowerment…”
Agreed.
(Now excuse me while I scrub my brain free of your suggested TA image)
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Pfft….it’s not like we’ve not seen him 95% nude…
But it’s all about context isn’t it…seeing TA in his budgie-smugglers during a triathlon is different from him deliberately posing nude for a magazine…
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Pass the mental floss.
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Lulu, scrubbing with you. Erky, perky. JJ, those budgy smugglers on national television and splashed across every newspaper mate are not a good look for a leader in opposition.
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spot on !!
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I think the difference is that Deborah Hutton is a model, not a politician. Different job, different expectations. What may be “empowering” for Deborah Hutton would not be empowering for Julia Gillard.
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Wow! I think that’s a BIG call….can you explain how a posing nude is empowering for a model?
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Because any woman feeling comfortable enough in her own skin to pose publically naked is empowering. In this world of obsession over size and weight and so many having problems with body image, if someone can come out and say HEY i love how i look and im more than comfortable doing this – i think thats the epitome of empowering.
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There wasn’t much complaining about Catherine Deveny posting a picture of herself in a swimsuit. That was mostly considered to be empowering, as I remember it. Why is the Deborah Hutton cover any different? It’s not like we saw any ‘rude’ bits. Was it just the addition of a swimsuit that makes one ‘empowering’ and the other ‘inappropriate’? Personally, I smell a double standard.
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JJ – I’ll explain the nude bit. When you’re a woman, you are widely – almost universally – considered past it after you hit about 35 or 40. Non sexual. Non sexy. Non womanly. Non attractive.
Posing nude I guess is a superficial way to say VISUALLY – I am still a sensual, physical being. It doesn’t mean every woman has to pose like that, it’s not about saying ‘my body is better than yours’ ‘or ‘this is what 50 SHOULD look like’.
It’s just about saying I am comfortable enough to take my clothes off.
For women, being nude (in the context of a women’s mag) is shorthand for being comfortable in your body. As opposed to a men’s mag which is overtly about being sexually attractive to men.
That’s how I see it.
For a woman of 50 to challenge preconceptions of how a 50 year old SHOULD look or SHOULD behave is the empowering part. Not the nudity itself or the size or shape of her body.
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I guess I don’t see that, probably because R is 63…she’s still attractive to me…I just don’t see age…
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“it’s not about saying ‘my body is better than yours’ ‘or ‘this is what 50 SHOULD look like’.
It’s just about saying I am comfortable enough to take my clothes off.”
But whether or not the 50-year-old is asked to pose naked for AWW (for example) is 100% connected to the ‘betterness’ of the 50-year-old’s body. So (maybe) Deborah Hutton isn’t saying her body is better than ours – but AWW is. Because if it wasn’t, they would never have asked her.
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Mia, actually the more I think about this comment from you:
“When you’re a woman, you are widely – almost universally – considered past it after you hit about 35 or 40. Non sexual. Non sexy. Non womanly. Non attractive”
Well, I just think you’re wrong…I’ve never thought that…I don’t think most people think that either…where do you get the idea that women are “widely – almost universally – considered past it after you hit about 35 or 40″…
It really disappoints me that you think that most people think that…I don’t think there’s any basis in fact to that opinion….
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You’re an unusual man, JJ. I think what Mia may mean is that women over the age of 35 are rarely portrayed as sexy in the media. She applauded AWW because a 50 year old was shown as being comfortable in her skin and sexy.
I would argue however that even when “older” women are portrayed as sexy (as was DH), they generally look a lot younger than they are. So it’s not really a “win” for women over a certain age.
Why the focus on youth? It resonates with our subconscious, instinctive drive to procreate – youth in women is a sign of fertility. In men, where fertility is not as limited by age, their ability to provide is more valued. That’s why it’s more common to see older men with younger women than older women with younger men.
It’s called sexual strategies theory.
Edit – I can’t respond to your post below, so have added a reply here. I didn’t make up sexual strategies theory. It’s an evidence based theory in social psychology about interpersonal attraction. The researchers observed that across cultures there is a consistent age gap in couples favouring younger women and older men. The theory proposes that men unconsciously seek out youth in potential mates (and beauty is a cue to youth), whereas women seek out mates with resources to provide for her and her offspring (age is a cue to accumulation of resources).
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I honestly don’t think I’m that unusual…I may both talk the talk AND walk the walk in this case, but I think women make BIG assumptions about what men find attractive, most of which are wrong…
…I know a lot of guys who think older women are attractive but, yes, they still are in more traditional relationships than me…I think that has more to do with how people meet their partners than in any “sexual strategies” theory…of course, in this case, I’m just voicing an opinion…
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its not just an age thing mia…it happens to smart talented beautiful plus sized younger women too.
it happened to dawn french when she was ignored in the usa meetings some years ago.
all in all i think it would have been better if they had not gone for a naked shoot as it clearly alienated a lot of their readers.
i disagree about the context as well…fashion mag as opposed to mens mags. clearly they did not think a plus sized woman on the cover would make us feel comfortable about our bodies.
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sure, Mia, but the point is she doesn’t look 50 in that photo. she looks 25.
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As is usual, I agree with you John. I think the idea that posing nude can be empowering is an idea used to sell the concept to the woman in question, be she 50 or 18, model, actress, singer etc. I don’t think we could use the same argument on 50 year old men. If you asked George Clooney to pose naked because it would be empowering, I think he would say “I have enough power thanks all the same”.
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Agree, it doesnt make sense. I dont get womens magazines of late, so many older women in bathers, nude, lingerie etc – Why. I dont think it is empowering either, I feel sorry that they have put so much pressure on themselves to maintain an unrealistic image.
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It’s not just the women’s magazines that do this. I’ve noticed the colour magazines that come with the Sunday papers have lately started to feature a lot of young actresses, wearing just a pretty top and – knickers. I don’t understand this trend, and certainly don’t see it as empowering. I have never, ever seen a young male actor wearing his y-fronts on a cover either! Not that I want this, just pointing out it’s a blatant double standard.
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I love that she is an older woman and has posed naked on a national magazine. Good on her. It amazes me constantly how we women turn on each other, particularly for being beautiful! I live on Bondi Beach and every day I see a jaw dropping beautiful girl or women. If I hated every one of those women it would be lonely life for me! I love reading my monthly mags but I do feel as so many of the mags editors are female they have an obligation to women and importantly young impressionable girls to be putting out the images in their magazines of a true product, freckles and bumps and all. Im 36 and wonder what will this will all come to when I have teenage daughters?
Mia I respect your opinions on body image and retouching. I think you are a great spokesperson for the topic. Great job on the site!
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Some terrible comments on the Telegraph site, but I didn’t see any on MM that were rude or abusive at all to DH. To be honest, I don’t think any of the debate is really about her, she’s just in the middle of it all.
I think the shitstorm came, not from the cover itself, but the way the original MM article applauded it as being something so groundbreaking – “Cover of the Year!”
Were it not for the article, the cover wouldn’t have moved me in the slightest. It just felt like deja vu – such a similar argument to the Jennifer Hawkins Marie Claire ‘body’ issue – and such a similar image:
Conventionally beautiful model in that coy pose that says, “I’m naked but you can’t see anything because I’m not trying to look sexual – this is TASTEFUL. I’m just showing you my whole self and how natural I am.”
Then a couple of very minor flaws left in as a tokenistic gesture to try to throw you off the rest of the photoshopping that has been done.
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I disagree that women are ” jack of being lied to”…why else then would are they participate in the lie by spending so much money on magazines, clothing, spray tan, hairdressing???? It is we women who implicitly create the continuation of the content of the media…so we have to stop claiming victim status here.If we insist on spending so much of our time and money on the more trivial issues such as appearances, then we can’t complain if we ourselves are trivialised.
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Older and Wiser, you make an interesting point.
I guess I participate in a lot of it – I love clothes and beauty products and all that. I spend money on it. I ENJOY it. For me, it’s a source of fun and creativity and frivlousness. I like frivolous sometimes.
I don’t begrudge any woman doing any of that.
The lying part I guess comes into it via photoshop when what we’re looking at doesn’t exist……
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here is the background. I am 56 and I have to say it, my figure ( not face) is equal to Deborah’s, so I have no personal issues invested in this debate. Equivalently, I love clothes and looking the best that I can. However, my point is that the whole of the advertising and media industry is built on the bottom line..always has been and will continue to be so. Magazines sell to our aspirational instincts. However, if we want to link the issue of photoshopping to specific issues that affect women, then we have to also look at our own culpability in all of this. I have noticed that women themselves are becoming more ( and not less) obsessive about image, rather than intellect ,over the past decade and I am saddened by this.
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Dressing up can still be about fun. It can still be about using a lipstick to play with your appearance, to use eyeshadow to create sexy, mysterious eyes. It’s obvious to everyone that your clothes and makeup are added to your real body though.
Airbrushing/photoshopping makes it all so serious … Instead of having fun with your looks, you’re actually having to hide them and hiding yourself away is just not about fun.
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O&W how are magazines, clothing, spray tan and hair dressing (among other things) part of participating in the lie (the lie being that we are looking at fake ie photoshopped beyond recogntion people in magazines)? On one hand you have grooming and various methods that people use to feel as good as possible in their own skin, on the other hand you have pictures do not even resemble the person in the photo, a lot of times. I for one am not sick of seeing celebrities wearing makeup, I am sick of seeing celebrities missing half of their bodies (normal contours) and features (laugh lines, freckles, interesting bits and bobs). Somehow I can’t imagine you sitting at home in a hessian sack while type this…..
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I’m sorry you had so much crap flung at you over saying you preferred one cover over another. I think she takes a good photo, and it’s shame on the magazine for retouching her photo. One thing I will never get is… Why did she have to be naked?
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My thoughts exactly – why naked? A smart, successful, attractive person. There is so much to admire but I don’t want to see her naked!
I want my daughter to think she can be all those things and be respected without having to “get her gear off”.
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