So I made a bit of a mess of my original post on this last week. I would very much like to delete it because I wrote it in a hurry while on holidays and I didn’t properly articulate myself. AT ALL.
But this is the Interweb not a court of law so there’s no need to strike things from the record. I’m human. I sometimes have non-fully-formed thoughts. I sometimes change my mind. I’m happy to own that.
Anyway, this is not at all about me. The conversation has moved on since then and become a full-blown media story, clearly springboarded by the post and explosion of comments on Mamamia – your words are influential, people, remember that. When you make a noise and react strongly to something, mainstream media notice.
Like any issue that provokes a passionate response on a large scale, this has gone way beyond one woman and one magazine cover.
It’s tapped into some potent truths about how we feel about a bunch of things: magazines, Photoshop, aging, sexism and also our complex feelings about our own bodies.

Deborah Hutton photographed (without her knowledge) yesterday. This image does not make me feel bad about myself. You?
That’s enough for a dozen posts right there and they are indeed issues we will continue to examine in a bunch of different ways in days and weeks and months to come. It’s what we do at Mamamia and the conversation is never finished.
Debate is good! Disagreeing is good! That, to me, is how feminism works. A bunch of smart people speaking their minds.
RESPECTFULLY.
That word is important.
In all this discussion over the past week about AWW, I’ve been disappointed and upset that a very small minority of people think it’s ok to attack Deborah Hutton personally.
Not on. Not here. No way.
I believe we can debate things without being rude or abusive. If you don’t believe that, bugger off. Deborah is a real person who is online reading what is being written.
Remember that before you leave a comment – here or anywhere else.
OK, so here are some of the truths I’ve taken from the past week:
1. ATTRACTIVE WOMEN MAKE SOME WOMEN FEEL BAD ABOUT THEMSELVES
This is baffling to me. And sad. I’ve always liked looking at images of attractive women. Frankly, I find pictures of women (and actual women) more interesting to look at than men and I’m clearly not alone in this since women are generally on the cover of men’s AND women’s magazines.
If I feel bad about the way I look, is that Charlize Theron’s fault? That’s a pretty disturbing line of thought. If I feel bad about what I’ve achieved in my career, is that Mark Zuckerberg’s fault for achieving so much more?
Is the key to female self esteem REALLY surrounding yourself with people less attractive than you? And by whose measure? And is the key to having a positive body image only seeing images of bodies that are ‘worse’ than yours?
I don’t think so. I think the key is diversity. I think the key is feeling like there is a wide spectrum of what is considered attractive and thus knowing that you probably fit in there somewhere. Of course it’s also crucial that women be celebrated for what they can do as well as how they look. VERY CRUCIAL THAT.
2. IMAGES OF BULLSHIT MAKE SOME WOMEN FEEL BAD ABOUT THEMSELVES
This, I understand. Because me too. Yes, yes, I know some people will always insist ‘well duh, you shouldn’t compare yourself to other women’ but it’s not as simple as that.
The very purpose of magazines and advertising is to portray what is considered ‘desirable’ and I don’t just mean that in a sexual way.
Look, I can live with the fact that I am not Helena Christensen. But don’t you think it’s majorly messed up that even Helena Christensen (whenever she appears in print) is not Helena Christensen? That is what is making women angry. THAT is what we’ve had a gut full of.
3. MAGAZINE EDITORS BELIEVE HUMAN FEATURES WILL COST THEM SALES
This, I’ve always thought is rubbish. Still do. I mean, WTF. And yet it is the fundamental argument that underpins the entire issue of Photoshopping and fake images.
Editors talk about not being able to “risk” an unairbrushed image on a cover. They talk about the need to produce a “commercial product”.
This means they honestly believe we will all run shrieking in horror from the news stands at the sight of Deborah Hutton’s sun spots or Ricki Lee’s stretch marks (I have no idea if Ricki Lee does actually have stretch marks but we’d never know because they would ALWAYS be airbrushed out of a photo).
Come on, you either buy mags or you don’t (I mostly don’t for all the reasons detailed in this post). I get that there is glamour involved in magazines but surely having your hair and make-up professionally done, your clothes chosen for you and pinned so they’re just right, thousands of dollars worth of flattering lighting aimed in your direction and talented photographers who know how to capture your best angle is ENOUGH glamour?
Come on editors, give us some bloody credit. Either your readers want to buy your product or not. A few freckles or sunspots or stretch marks or lines or wrinkles or (gasp) a rounded tummy or thighs that TOUCH are not going to make people turn away from the newstands in horror.
In fact – are you listening? – what if they made us MORE likely to buy your magazine? What if a bit of reality along with the glamour is the KEY to increasing sales?
Well, there’s a revolutionary thought for 2012. Who’s going to be ‘brave’ enough to try it? Come on editors, sales are dire. What do you have to lose by swimming against the Photoshop tide?
4. WOMEN ARE JACK OF BEING LIED TO
Oh yes we are. We’re sick of looking at images of people who don’t exist. We’re sick of being told – by photographers and editors and advertisers – that even the most beautiful women in the world, women who are deemed attractive enough to sell millions of magazines and beauty products are themselves not good enough and in need of (often) drastic airbrushing.
Because the message is that if women like Deb Hutton and Miranda Kerr aren’t good enough? What does that directly imply about the rest of us?
And if no woman is good enough – if we ALL need ‘help’ from a computer, isn’t that pretty fucked up?
5. DECLARATION OF PHOTOSHOP IS BETTER THAN NOT
I’m sad to say that I don’t think Photoshop is going anywhere. I don’t mean to sound defeatist about it and I think we need to keep debating it and questioning it and criticising it and stamping our feet a lot. But no society has ever de-industrialised. Going backwards doesn’t happen. So what to do? You tell me. Voting with our wallets is one thing we can do. So is questioning ALL editors about how much retouching they do – on their covers and on the images inside. Every month. So is demanding that the declaration of Photoshop be mandatory (you can read about that here). Surely that’s a start?
6. SOME WOMEN BELIEVE PHOTOSHOP IS A PERSONAL CHOICE, JUST LIKE HAVING BOTOX OR GETTING A BOOB JOB.
This to me has been a really interesting thing to consider. I’m not going to write much about it today because I’m not yet quite sure what I think about it. As a feminist, I’m all about choice. And yet……there is of course a bigger picture at play. What impact do the individual choices of individual women – influential women – have on the rest of us?
I can refuse to have my own photos airbrushed but do I have the right to demand you don’t airbrush yours?
I’d be interested to hear what you think about all of this…..all of it.







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One of the things I love about this site is that you (collectively) are always willing to react to feedback. Thank you Mia & co.
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Slightly off topic, I’m thinking of having some nude photos done for myself for my 30+1 birthday. Non photoshopped, non ‘glamour’. Anyone had any experience with these?
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If you’re in Melbourne, try Alise Black:
http://www.aliseblack.com.au/www/home/
edit: I just pasted the wrong URL. Duh!
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Hello there Jack. My name is Tom and I am 13years old and I have Asperger’s Syndrome as well. My Mum has just found discussion forum and we have deicded it would be a good way for me to make some more friends. Jack I live on a farm just out of Lumsden in Southland, so that is not very far away from you. I play soccer for the junior wanderers, I have 3 KunneKunne pigs. Two sows called Bella and Babe and a boar called Wilbur. They have had 3 litters already and I sell the piglets. I go to Northern Southland College and am in year nine. I love History, and enjoy watching the History channel. I ride my horse called Courgar around the farm and I have two sisters. You don’t live very far from me so it would be nice to hear back from you or anyone else. I look forward to your replyTom
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I love your websites and your articles, I have declared that before. BUT… This backflip on your original article does not sound sincere, it sounds like you are upset that Deborah is upset and you must have known that she would read/hear about it before you decded to write it. You were right the first time, and Deborah is smart she must have known the response that this type of article would attract. It is a bit like when women wear really revealing out fits and get mad because every man is ogling her. You can’t have it both ways.
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Natalie, I respectfully disagree. Speaking from experience, sometimes you can do what you think is a positive or even a neutral thing and it can blow up in a way that you never imagined.
I have been there and it is awful. Nobody wants this kind of publicity, trust me.
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Am I the only one who is horrified that you have posted a picture of Deb Hutton in her bikini, taken without her knowledge while she thought she was having a private swim on the beach?
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Not horrified at all, in fact that is the very point. What she looks like in real life. I look at that photo of her in her bikini and hope I look that hot at 50. Photoshopping was not necessary, particularly with an article that is ALL ABOUT someone feeling comfortable in their skin at last. That is WHY we need to see what that skin is really like. Aspirational, yes. But at least real.
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Think it was the “without her knowledge” bit s/he is horrified by.
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How do we know it was without her knowledge and that she thought she was having a private swim on the beach?
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I spoke to a mutual friend about it today. Deb went to the beach for a swim like she does most days. Had no idea she was being photographed.
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Mia may I please ask, did you ask Deborah’s permission before you published the beach photo that she was not aware was being taken? Thanks.
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I’m sure you’re not the only one who is horrified!!
I thought about it really hard before I did it and I’m still not entirely sure it was the right thing to do.
I did it in response to those who said some pretty outrageous things about Deborah including that it wasn’t even her body on the cover, that her body shape had been altered etc etc
I knew none of that was true because I’ve seen her in a cossie but my word really wasn’t counting for much on this subject (!) so I published something that couldn’t be seen as subjective.
I also wanted to move away from the airbrushing and the cover and look at the idea that, if you stripped all that away, does it really make people feel bad to look at an (unairbrushed) image of a 50yo woman who looks terrific?
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You didn’t ask Deborah before you published the bikini pic?
Are you allowed to do that?
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Thanks for your reply Mia. I love your interactions with readers and as many others have already said before stating their contrary views, I absolutely love your blog and the opportunity to debate issues, so I am excercising my right to contribute. Re the beach photo, it strikes me as an invasion of someone’s privacy to post a photo of them in a bikini taken without their knowledge, in a public forum, and then invite readers to assess how this image makes them feel about their own bodies. You have effectively invited readers to scrutinise her body – with all due respect, how else are they to assess how it makes them feel? Did Deb Hutton put her hand up to have her body scrutinised outside of the WW shoot and forever after in her private life? On another note, DH’s profession is (or was) modelling as well as working in the media. As such her public image is her currency and I think she deserves the right to control which parts of her life go public. Posting this image has robbed her of that control. Putting the ‘managing the brand’ issue aside, I still think it would be an invasion of anyone’s privacy to post a photo of them in their private life in a widely viewed medium and ask viewers how it makes them feel about their own body. I thought the whole debate was about how women are presented in the media. If so, the scrutiny should begin and end with the images these women are paid to appear in.
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Not fussed that DH was not asked for permission for the bikini pic. Her body at 50 had become a media issue, primarily because she chose to put it on the front of a national magazine. The media regularly ‘pap’ people who make the news. Surely nobody is suggesting that we now only take photos of people who make the news if we have their permission? Do we care about freedom of the press? Or do we want to live in a world where we only ever see “authorised” pictures? DH is an adult, a sensible woman who knows and has been around the media for most of her adult life. I am sure she can hack it. And as I said before, she looks great!
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Guest, Mia and Deborah are friends. I’m sure Deborah would be comfortable with Mia using it in the context of this particular topic.
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I used to buy all the high fashion magazines religiously every month, a few of the other monthlies along with that quite often, and very rarely if I’d read everything else, then a couple of the better weeklies like Grazia. I stopped buying them about a year ago when I started noticing all the hype and stories about the amounts of photoshopping- then I saw the ‘before and after’ photos of the supermodels and stunning celebs, and figured I have enough body issues, I had been trying incredibly unsuccessfully for years to benchmark myself against the images seen in magazines, once I realised those images were fake, I become quite disillusioned started realising that I was never going to be able to get myself to the same level as those celebs even normally, let alone in those photos. I am hopefully now on the road to recovery from decades of self-image problems, perpetuated by society expecting we should all look like models, its quite sickening that even the models dont look like that! Its not right!
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I think Deborah Hutton is a very beautiful woman but I’m not sure about the naked pic. Maybe it’s just my insecurities though that make me not want to do it personally. To look like that at 50, or frankly at any age, is fantastic. Photo retouching I think has it’s good and bad points. If I were self conscious about scarring, whether it’s from surgery to remove skin cancer or even stretch marks or other scars, then why not. What I don’t agree with is full on changing of images like the Chloe Kardashian one where her post pregnancy belly was removed an even baby’s clothes were altered. That, to me, is outright lies. Something that is done to purposely mislead you into thinking its something else is fraud. Whether we agree or disagree with Deborah’s decision to pose nude or even get photoshopped is up to her. I’m sure that had she have been photographed in a very smart suit then there would be less comments. Its funny but I find the photo a bit of a intradiction. On the one hand it’s going naked and pretty much showing the world that you’re comfortable the wy you are, but hen on the other hand it’s like saying ‘oh but I don’t like this, I don’t like that’ and have those things photoshopped out. But really, at the end of the day the only person she has to answer to is herself.
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Deborah looks amazing, on the cover and in real life. She is in fantastic shape and no one can deny how great she looks. However, looking at the photo above and the cover shot, she looks ALOT slimmer on the cover and it does look like it has been airbrushed considerably.
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This photo of DH actually makes me feel like going for a swim! Therein lies the power of a photo and the media and an un-airbrushed 50 year old woman having fun in the waves. That is beautiful and I could look at it all day long.. So, so happy to see this photo
Mia, I don’t think you have the right to “demand” anything of anyone and I don’t think you are a person who would do this anyway. However, if a person demands that you use airbrushed photos, you do have the right to refuse. If you did refuse, you would have many women and men standing right behind you supporting you.
Keep on rolling with it Mia – this post does you proud xo
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I love what you say about wanting to go for a swim! Yes! And today I did!
I think it is a far more beautiful image of what it is to be a woman who is comfortable in her skin than any mag cover…
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Yes! I’ve been a swimmer all my life. The beach was my backyard when I was growing up. I swam through all of my pregnancies. I’m 51 and I still swim. I know women who won’t go swimming because of their thighs or arms or bums. There’s no way I would miss out because my body is older or wrinklier than it used to be. You come out looking like a beautiful wrinkly human prune whatever age you are anyway but a swim makes me feel good
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“This photo of DH actually makes me feel like going for a swim!”
hah, it had the opposite effect on me – reminded me why it’s been so long since I owned one that I can’t remember what I used to call swimming gear (costume or swimming costume, I think).
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I must admit, I’m loving the way Deborah is handling all this. I especially love how she has said “it was the cover of a national magazine, not a happy snap”, to justify the airbrushing. AWW didn’t go overboard; wrinkles are still on show. Like a few other poster’s have said, I too buy magazines as a form of escapism. I bought InStyle this month just to pretend I live in another universe. The photoshopping in that magazine is enormous to the point of laughable, the people hardly look real, but that is what I’m buying.
Anyway, good on you Deborah and AWW. I’m a fan of both and always will be.
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Just quietly, I think the WW article has done exactly what it set out to do.
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I never buy magazines but I bought this months Womens Weekly because after a very indulgent Christmas I wanted the Michelle Bridges recipes. I was quite dismayed at how heavily airbrushed the photos of Deborah Hutton were. I think they’re more glamour shots than anything else. Thats in stark contrast to the non airbrushed pictures of ‘ordinary’ women in the article which follows directly after the one on Deborah. That was my main issue with it all.
Deborah looks great without the airbrushing. She looks great without ‘for her age’ even coming into it.
If nothing else this has reinforced that I’m doing the right thing by not buying magazines and buying into all the body image bullshit that goes with it.
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But how good were the Michelle Bridges Recipes….Salmon StirFry last night. Delicious
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May I point out you were the editor for cosmo,does that escape you. This magazine has and always be photoshopped. I love mm but I don’t agree. If I want to see “normal”people I will look down the street. I like to escape my world and read about someone else. And if that means looking at something photoshopped so be it. I highly rate you Mia.
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Great article, Mia. Really enjoyed reading it. My comment in the original post was that I was just soooooo sick of half-naked people (I said women but applies for both genders) – why do have to show so much? So what? It’s getting so blase. I MUCH prefer looking at an interesting face, a pretty dress, quirky shoes and an inspiring/meaningful story about that person.
And there are mags that are trying to do that out there…I like MindFood and Frankie.
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I used to buy the occasional magazine before I had children but no more. I did buy Notebook for a long time but gave up when they started putting faces rather than flowers on the front cover. And we rarely watch commercial TV so I hadn’t seen the ads for this Women’s Weekly edition.
I would prefer no photoshopping except for very minor stuff. If it was me I would want that broken capillary removed on my thigh BUT don’t shrink my actual thigh size. Photoshopping should be kept to the same effects as you could achieve with makeup.
I won’t be buying the WW for this cover unless they decided to make a feature of the before and after photoshopping pictures. And that goes for most magazines. My daughters haven’t been exposed much to the harshness of media opinion and I make sure that if a magazine comes into the house that I point out all of the photoshopping. My eldest is now 10 though so it won’t be long before she starts to take an interest in magazines as she is my creative fashionista. She is an incredibly confident kid, is pretty and very sporty and I really am concerned about the impact of the media on her because there are no flaws. I don’t want her creating them because we are brainwashed into believing someone else’s sense of beauty. I’ve always tried to emphasised healthy and strong, both physically and emotionally. I don’t want that undermined. So I won’t buy magazines until they are more realistic, until they show women of all ages and portray them in a much more honest manner.
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Mia, you’re spot on with the comparison point. I’m guilty of it – hell, I can walk down the street and spend the entire time looking at other women trying to figure out if I’m fatter, or thinner, or does my bum look as big as hers, are my arms as flabby.. And I know I shouldn’t!!
A bit of comparison is normal – it comes with having such variety in the world.
But on the flipside, completely judging your own body by others is where it all gets a bit risky.
That’s where over-photoshopped (which, by the way, I don’t think DH’s pic is), over-plucked, over-styled and under-fed pictures are completely unnecessary.
Sure, when I open a magazine I want to see those gorgeous Versace dresses on a beautiful women posing in Florence somewhere.
But I don’t need mags to try to fool me into thinking that life is that flawless. It’s not, and Mia is right when she says the photographer, location, clothing and makeup should be enough.
Photoshopping is the outcome of comparisons going into overdrive. We apparently all want to be perfect, so apparently women want to see perfection. Then we look at real life and real bodies and feel disappointed.
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I hated the WW cover with a passion. I had another look at it in the supermarket this morning, and could still find nothing redeeming about it. I read some of the article and disliked everything I read. It screamed falseness.
The photo of Deborah Hutton above, wearing a bikini, un-airbrushed? That’s healthy, that’s appealing, that’s real, that’s something Deborah can be proud of. Pictured in a bikini, going into the surf, she has the dignity and beauty I’d normally associate with Deborah Hutton on display. If that photo had been used by the WW I would have given credence to her words. Naked, very photoshopped, on a couch, she was as fake as a Barbie doll and the words of the article rang alarm bells of falseness. My emotional response was one of anger that I was expected to swallow the falseness and respond with praise. The ‘real’ photo evokes an emotional response of forgiveness.
Mia, you have served your friendship with Deborah well by publishing this. I also applaud you for listening to your readers, rethinking, and tackling the issue to allow further discussion, and hopefully a strengthened message being sent to other media that lying with photographs is responded to in the same was as lying with words.
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Spot on Maisy!
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When a writer friend of mine pitched a story to AWW about my book on 1940s and 50s pin-up girls, AWW wanted these former models to pose similarly and talk about how they feel about their bodies now. Er, these women are in their late 80s and 90s. They can barely get out of their chairs, let alone pose poolside. And I think they’ve got more important things to worry about than ‘body image’. AWW = weird
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“…why you would DOWN DOWN the chance to wear some amazing clothes…”?
Man, those Coles ads really mess with people’s heads.
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Lol!
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A ps to what i said before: all you young girls take some pictures of yourself in the prime of life, something to look back on, because it goes down hill from about 30 for most of us.
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Kateb, totally agree. And why worry about it ! We have all had ” our day in the sun” as young attractive bodies. Why then persist in hanging on to this image as if you can’t accept the fact of growing old. And as to being ” sexy” …well, that is always only dependant upon the eye of the beholder, no matter what age you are. But why care about being sexy at all at that age .
There is a saying…a young person is to be appreciated as a work of nature…. an old person to be appreciated as a work of art.
What is important is the knowledge and experience that is the trade off in acquiring age. The message is to be bloody grateful that you are alive and well, and intelligent and experienced….and no photo of anyone can ever pierce the depths of those attributes.Whilst I spend money on how I look, I have never allowed myself to be negative about myself in physical terms, and no photo of anyone no matter how good they look has a negative effect on me.I have no right to such thoughts…too many younger people than I have suffered illness or hardship in their lives that worrying about cellulite( we all get it, including Deborah..) is so damned trivial….as is the need to put the photo of a 50 year old woman on the cover (whether or not photoshopped). The bigger issue is why we care at all what Deborah looks like at her age…and why she even cares herself.
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Great point, but when I was 30, I was too busy complaining about my weight, legs, ankles (or lack of etc) to head to the photographer. When do we actually make peace with our bodies?
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If it ‘goes downhill’, why do you want photographs to remind you of that?
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Mia, you can certainly demand that none of the photos appearing on your site are photoshopped – it is after all your site. And I think it is point 3 that pisses me off about magazines the most.
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Real women on covers in all their glory (sans photoshoppped bits) would make me buy magazines. I don’t buy these magazines anymore and when I do have occasion to read/browse them at the hairdressers or somewhere, I do walk away feeling a little lesser in myself. I had my haircut last week so and the mags with the’ bikini bodies’, ‘new year, new you’ had hit the shelves. I saw the Liz vs Simone story – what a crock of shit that was….would they do a comparison b/w Shane Warne and Simone’s new man? No, because no-one would buy it! I feel we perpetuate the influence these mags have by purchasing them, and when you really stand back and think about it, they are 90% drivel with lots of advertising dollars tied into the mix. I don’t buy them anymore and I have realised why I don’t miss them…they can make us everyday women feel like we aren’t enough, particularly if you are having a rough day.
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one thing i don’t understand about posing naked for a magazine is why you would down down the chance to wear some amazing clothes and be nude instead and have to be photoshopped.
if i was going to be on the cover of a mag the first thing i’d want to know is what i would be wearing. i would suggest a Chanel suit in pale pink. or an amazing gown, maybe Lanvin. don’t even get me started on jewellery, if i couldn’t have some Bvlgari i’d throw a big hissy fit. I’d settle for Tiffany though but only if it had an abundance of diamonds.
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i would too but i guess deborah has had the opportunity to do all that. anyway…you made me smile…thanks!
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It’s interesting. When I first saw the advertisement on TV with Deborah Hutton I was a bit miffed. Then I read the first article Mia put on here and I was miffed again – I thought she’d be against it. But reading on, I could understand why you liked it Mia – and thinking about it further, I can see why I like it.
At any rate, at the very first I thought it was a) probably heavily photoshopped (no discredit to her, she is a beautiful lady in her own right) and a bit like Jennifer Hawkins on the cover. Beautiful but a bit out of reach for those among us who feel much less blessed by genetics aka natural beauty. But I also don’t understand the furore. If I was going on the cover of Australia’s highest selling mag, I’d want to look the best I could possibly looked and would also ask for a bit of photoshopping. But beauty is interesting – I can be envious of it without hating the genetically blessed person, and without hating myself!
I agree it’s sad that we don’t know what real bodies look like any more. My god, what about some of those early 80s song film clips and also movies, compared to the super model looks required in the 2000s?
And it’s true that I see more flaws in my own self than I see beauty. But you know what? I bet if I went for a half hour run every day instead of once a week, maybe I’d feel better!
OveralI agree with Mia – I love looking at women and admiring their beauty…I always expect image are photoshopped but admire their photographic composition and the person in the pic. And as for Deborah – Wow, she looks amazing – she’s fit, healthy and deserves congratulations for being so brave.
And all of that aside I don’t think a gorgeous Deborah, Rikki Lee, Jennifer, etc, is what will sell a mag to me. If I see a number of articles that i think are worthy of my $10 or $11 then that’s when I’ll stop flicking at the checkout and actually pay some cash for it.
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I fully agree, the only hassle with photoshopping and this really also applies to the type of models chosen , is the influence on young girls. We older ladies should be confident of ourselves enough to just enjoy the photo as if it was art.
And no i have never been a person who was one of the “pretty ” group, i was encouraged by my parents to look outside the box, eg “skin deep” comments and find my intelligence is more important. Thank God(or anybody) i had sensible parents and family.
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The thing is, the article which accompanies the picture talks about how happy Deborah is with her body and how she’s comfortable with it. It’s a bit of a contradiction for a photoshopped picture to appear alongside an article of that nature.
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Yes. I had enormous difficulty trying to reconcile the happiness spoken of in the article with the airbrushed photo. No matter how I look at it, it really doesn’t add up.
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Well said!
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Really ? Let it go, im happy with my body but hell if it were to be on a magazine cover of course id let it be photoshopped. Cripes.
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so Mia,
you’ve said you have some new things in the works for Mamamia this year.
i’m am SO hoping less focus on body image may be one of those things.
woman are often reduced to their looks and i can’t help but think that so much focus on body image is a big part of the problem.
how about more content that focuses on the achievements and opinions of woman and less on image.
THAT would be a great change.
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Hi Green Trees. I am not sure if you are a regular reader but this site posts regularly about important issues/ achievements and so on… ?
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i am a regular reader but there is a lot of body image and celeb stuff. i know variety is a good thing. i’m simply suggesting that perhaps post MORE content that has NOTHING to do with looks.
instead of complaining about the way the media presents woman (ie. with a high focus on appearance), present them in a different way. you can’t change what other people do but you can change your own habits.
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Green trees, good points. I think we can do both and in 2012 we will be…
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i think one thing should be to look at the sponsors …there was one when i was reading the older article and it was about body contouring. mamamia made the point that they thought everyone’s body was prefect but we the readers had asked for it..the product. i do find that a tad…off.
or words to that effect…cannot find the ad now!
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Is it that attractive women make women feel bad about themselves? Or is it that that nude attractive airbrushed women make women feel bad about themselves?
When I think of women who are role models or women that I would like my children to read stories about and aspire to – they usually have their clothes on in the scenario.
As I began typing this note my 11 year joined me and asked who the picture was of. When I asked for her thoughts she initially said “did you say she was 15 or 50?” and followed it up with “Lauren’s Mum is 50 and she doesn’t look like that. Is it a men’s magazine?”. She then pointed out that everything about the woman walking on the beach looked different to the woman on the magazine.
I know that Deborah Hutton has an association with skin care, was it a business decision to be naked? Was it a way of showing more skin and how fabulous her skin is looking? And if so, is it false advertising to then have all skin blemishes removed?
I don’t know Deborah Hutton but after years of flying with Qantas I almost feel that I do. She has the most beautifully radiant smile and an instantly likable quality. I think she is beautiful. She definitely doesn’t make me feel bad about myself, but when she is airbrushed I feel that she is representing an unobtainable beauty and that’s when the message gets a bit screwy.
Mia, these are the things I love about you:
You created MM from scratch and I love it. I haven’t found anything like MM anywhere else in the world. It’s a website that I visit and enjoy on a daily basis.
You balance being a mother/wife and career woman and speak about it honestly. I’m a mother of four and I’ve nodded with agreement through both of your books.
You’re prepared to admit you were wrong and create discussion.
I don’t need to see you nude. I like you just the way you are.
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What a great comment.
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Great comment and i ditto those thoughts about Mia.
Admire you greatly Mia, you have achieved so much without the need to be reduced to some body parts. Plus agree with you on all points.
As I responded to this story initially, while I applaud AWW for their intent on the cover – putting a normal sized, over 40 year old woman on the cover. I still can’t get past the photoshopping and naked issue. Not that Deborah isn’t beautiful and has been beautifully shot. Having watched Killing Me Softly (thank you mamamia for the link) and just recently Missrepresentation (again thanks mamamia), I can’t help but feel this photo still feeds into the whole tabloid magazine issue of reducing an accomplished, talented woman to her body parts, which in turn is not good enough because it needs to be photoshopped.
I have 2 young children and have become very conscious of media portrayals of woman and men in the media and I will continue to limit their exposure to tabloid magazines and commercial tv while they do not represent a healthy body size, diversity and are photoshopped (to name only a few issues!).
Meanwhile I applaud mamamia for encouraging discussion on all these issues and providing a forum for the public to be heard by mainstream media.
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Great article Mia!
I’m not quite sure why there is such a circus around the nakedness… You should go to Europe and see how comfortable they are with their bodies. Old, young, tall, short, big, small… everything goes.
I believe that a great attitude and a charisma are what makes you attractive not being a particular age, shape or size.
Good on you Deborah! You are a truly beautiful woman… inside & out
PS: Ladies, how about we make a new year’s resolution together? Let’s start being kind to each other, more supportive and less judgmental.
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Very true. In Europe they let it all hang out, large, small, pale, hairy, old….no care in the world. And I was the one who wouldnt be seen in public in my swimmers before I was waxed and spray tanned.
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Thanks Kirsty – promise to keep my gear on.
For now.
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My favourite photos in WW are the ones of the women with their pregnant bellies, in the the story about belly casts…..
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Yep – in all the discussion about the cover, that was lost and I agree, it is a stunning shoot. You wouldn’t expect to see that in a mainstream magazine and I was delighted to come across it.
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I’m halfway through watching the documentary Missrepresentation that was recommended on this site so I’m really finding it difficult to see any merits to what Deborah has chosen to do for whatever reasons.
I’m sorry but looking at an image of a naked woman that has been air brushed to that degree just cries ‘victim’ to me. I don’t see anything empowering in that image at all.
However, the image of her on the beach in her bikini. Stunning.
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great comment.
if it’s so empowering why don’t men do it?
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I don’t really understand the problem with photoshop. Yes it’s a lie, but in most cases it’s a lie that could have been achieved with make-up, flattering clothes, a good knowledge of how to pose, great lighting and a great photographer. Before photoshop, images were no more realistic. They just had a whole lot more time and effort put into them, and they used models who were as close to ‘perfection’ as you can get. Photoshoots for an ad campaign could last weeks, instead of a day or two. Pre-photoshop images didn’t feature women with stretch marks etc. either.
When I look at before and after photoshop pics, in the original the model or celebrity is often badly posed, in badly fitting clothes, with average make-up. They’ve shown up an hour before the shoot looking bedraggled, their put in clothes that don’t fit properly and they’ve never been taught how to pose properly (particularly in the case of celebrities). Little effort is put into lighting. This is all because everyone knows it’s easier to fix all this stuff on a computer later than do it properly to begin with.
For every case where someones gone nuts with photoshop and cut off a limb or made the models thighs a quarter of their normal size, there’s thousands more images where all they’ve done is things that could have been achieved in another way. The most common is evening out the skin tone, which used to be all done with lighting and full body make-up. Make-up applied by a professional can disguise even the deepest of wrinkles and flattering clothing can alter the look of your body entirely. And of course, knowing how to pose is key. A simple shift of weight can make a huge difference.
I guess basically I get why why people dislike photoshop, but I don’t get why anyone thinks things would be different without it. If you ban photo-shop, people will just go back to using only the most beautiful and physically ‘perfect’ models, and they’ll put more effort into taking the pictures. There will also be an increase in illustrations being used. The issue isn’t photoshop, it’s much bigger than that.
Also where do we draw the line? I have horrible acne scars and gigantic pores, but I know how to do my make-up well, and people often compliment me on my ‘flawless’ skin. I’m starting to get a few lines on my forehead, but my primer fills them in completely. My breasts are saggy, but my bras make them look full and perky. I dye my hair, because my natural shade washes me out. The skin on my chest is sun damaged and makes me look older than I am, so I wear my foundation all the way down my decollatage. I know how to hide all my flaws with clothes, so anyone seeing me dressed would think I have a much, much better body than I really do. I can create a completely believable hourglass frame with clothing, but when naked I’m pretty much the opposite of that shape (large tummy, small hips). All this is also a lie, and most women would have at least a handful of similar lies.
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I don’t understand why there are so many comments about the nudity part – isn’t this a picture of someone who is confident and happy in their own skin (even if she did have some sun damage photoshopped)? So why not show the skin she’s comfortable with? As for it being the wrong demographic, DH is not showing the stereotypically “sexy” parts of her body, she’s not shooting guns with ammo across her breasts with the express purpose of turning men on, she’s hiding everything that could be “offensive”. It’s sad that naked woman = sex to so many people (including other women, it appears) instead of celebrating something beautiful.
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Because it is unnecessary and some people, like me, are sick of being confronted by nudity at every turn. What happened to keeping some things private?
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YES! Finally, someone GETS IT! Thank you!
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I am comfortable in my body. I’m a nurse and really comfortable with other people’s bodies.
Nudity becomes a problem because, despite popular belief, it is not the natural comfortable default position humans take outside their homes. We like to wear clothing when we are out in the street. When confronted with nudity outside our homes, we are literally confronted by it. We think that something very basic to our comfort with each other is amiss and it creates awkwardness.
And with so much nudity now, it is overwhelming to the senses.
Otherwise, we would all be walking round in the nuddy, no questions asked.
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The magazine that dares to put non-photoshopped women on their cover is the magazine I would start buying again – and for my (future) daughter!
Hear THAT, mainstream media!
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Would be great if we could show this somehow. What abt pre-orders for an non airbrushed Mia cover on AWW?!
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Sorry, I’m just fantasising that you’re the surfing Kelly Slater and I’m giving you the future daughter to buy magazines for…I do agree with your point though!
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Ha ha, you sound lovely, Neola!
If I was the surfing Kelly Slater, I would totally have a daughter with you
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Sorry if that smiley face looks a little creepy… The text version looks much more innocent! : – )
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I agree. Seeing covers and fashion shoots on real life models would be great (even knowing that lights, makeup etc make them look so muCh better anyway)
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Well you should go out and buy AWW as they have previously had Sarah Murdoch unretouched on the cover. Only that time, they copped flack because she was “too beautiful” anyway. So it seems they’re damned if they do, damned if they don’t.
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I would like to add – and use age appropriate woman, not pre-teens and young teens to advertise women’s products and clothes (ie, anti-aging creams)!
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I think DH looks fab in both images!
If you want to see what a really bad photoshop looks like of a woman that should of aged gracefully….. Harpers Bazaar US has Demi Moore on the cover and in a spread this month….. the only real thing about her in the Magazine is her name!!!
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Oh forgot to add – Mia can you please tell your BFF Paula to get back to work…. really need some updates on Lifestyled and I want to know what she has been wearing lately!
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I agree Carly – she really is very selfish with all this ‘holiday’ business. Maybe next week?
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Even before I saw anything about the cover, I disliked it.
But I’ve been trying to understand why… Do I feel intimidated by it, expected to look like that? Does the idea she has to pose naked to make a statement bother me? That if she struck the same pose with clothes on, the cover would have slipped into obscurity? That we’re all suckered into the debate which, ultimately, just increases their publicity/circulation? I’ve never been a “magazine reader” and this cover didn’t change that.
I’m not sure how I feel anymore! .. all this debate makes my head hurt.
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Yes, if shed been clothed, i would have bought it. Full stop.
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She looks amazing in that bikini. I’m in nowhere near the shape she’s in, but I don’t resent her for it. If photoshopping some blemishes was her choice then so what? It just shows that we all have something we’re self conscious about
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My 8 year old daughter frequently asks me if she can shave her legs and get a spray tan. It seems she has already learnt that her body is supposed to be thin, brown and hairless. She certainly doesn’t get those ideas from her immediate family, which is enough reason for me to be anti-airbrushing. I know it’s not the only thing out there that is affecting young girls’ body image, but it sure doesn’t seem to be helping either.
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Oh dear, that’s a worry! How do you reply to that one?
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It is hard to know how to respond. I tell her she can do that when she is a teenager and that she doesn’t need to worry about what she looks like, etc etc.
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You know what I just don’t get. How so many women can be so mean about another woman. There has been so much of it on Mamamia and other mediums that last night I went to bed feeling sad. No, not sad, really, really sad. I think Deborah is a beautiful example of someone who radiates a beauty that clearly comes from within. When I look at a beautiful image I don’t scrutinise for imperfection, I just see a beautiful image. If the words “photoshopped” and “air brushed” had not been mentioned and tossed around in the ether like a bad game of basketball, I would have been none the wiser. I just don’t care. Mia, you, Deb and I have all worked in television so we all well know that the person who walks through those station doors on their way to makeup, rarely appears the same way on air. I saw Cher many years ago when she stepped off a flight from the US. She was not the same person we see in photos, on screen or on stage. But it was still Cher. I know it’s a cliche` but beauty comes from within and it’s true. If you have an ugly soul, and it appears many do, you can photoshop till you drop and the photograph will still be of a person with an ugly soul. Deb, if you are reading this, I saw your interview on ACA last night. Talking of “empowering” – more power to you. Well done. Well said. And well done Helen McCabe and AWW. I will still buy the Weekly because it has something to say.
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Oh! One more thing. Don’t anyone ever tell me that I can’t have my double chin photoshopped out of a photograph.
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Deborah Hutton is gorgeous, thats easy. All I really heard about this was that she defended the photoshopping to hide ‘unsightly sun damage’, and then went on to say the nude image was so women would accept themselves. Well then, accept your sun damage – as far as I can see she still looks bloody amazing, I’d swap my 32 yr old body for her 52 yr old one any day.
And yeah the whole nude thing – I’m beating a dead horse here but WHY do women have to be naked to get noticed? I agree with comments above, I’m over it.
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Personally, I wouldn’t want to see “real” women in magazines. There are “real” women everywhere around me, why would I want to pay money to see overweight women with cellulite, stretch marks, freckles etc when I can see them everywhere I look, including when I look in the mirror.
I love looking at fashion types wearing fashion-y things, I love looking at celebrities and what they’re wearing. It’s fantasy, it takes me to another world, and once I am finished looking at them I close the magazine and go back to my real life. I just don’t find it interesting in the slightest looking at women who look like me and dress like me and would not be buying magazines if they feautured these women.
Similarly, I don’t want to read books about people who lead the same life I do and have achieved the same things I have, I couldn’t think of anything more boring. Instead, I am reading about Steve Jobs and Richard Branson. It doesn’t make me feel bad about myself that these men have achieved 1000x more than I could ever dream of achieving, I just find them incredibly interesting and inspirational.
Like a few people have mentioned, I love looking at beautiful women the same way I love looking at beautiful architecture, furniture and scenery (as opposed to looking at average or ugly architecture) and find it difficult to comprehend that beautiful women, specially those whose jobs depend on them looking beautiful, make some women feel bad about themselves. Do you feel bad that you can’t play tennis as well as Serena Williams or that you can’t act as good as Maryl Streep?
As for photoshop, I think it’s ridiculous that some magazines photoshop to the point where the person looks like a plastic doll/alien but it doesn’t make me feel insecure about myself, I just think “how ridiculous, are they serious with this picture” and move on.
I’m assuming that pictures of celebrities taken off duty, such as the one of DH at the beach and countless paparazzi pictures of American celebrities, aren’t photoshopped (?) so you can get a pretty good idea of what they really look like.
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I agree wholeheartedly with your every point. I get enough of reality in real life. I don’t buy most magazines for reality, I buy them for the fantasy. I am the same with the books I buy (yes, I know real life doesn’t always have a happy ending, that’s why I read books where I know it will all turn out nice) and the movies I watch (same).
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“Do you feel bad that you can’t play tennis as well as Serena Williams or that you can’t act as good as Maryl Streep?”
The difference is that the only women judged on their tennis or acting are tennis players and actors – but models aren’t the only women judged on their looks.
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Very good point.
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Deborah is beautiful, no arguement. Why she has to be naked on AWW baffles me. We went from having young photoshopped models on mags and aparently that is bad for self esteem, now we have 45+ year olds either naked or in their cossies all over womens mags and that is good?? Isnt the pressure just moving to another generation. Deborah is beautiful but I think more beautiful in gorgeous clothes for a womens mag.
If you want to pose nude or in lingerie or cossies I just think its the wrong audience.
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On the issues covered, I’m not sure I can offer any new perspective. It’s all been a very interesting read though.
What I do want to say –
Mia I applaud you for this site and the work within it that you create. It’s a reliably intelligent space on the net for me to come to read fabulously open minded debates about all the issues I’m interested in. I love that you admit when you’re not hitting the nail on the head and that you never back down from a difficult argument. Plus, I love your new profile picture – you look beautiful & very happy
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Hear hear Tess.
Mia: I have been reading this site for about 3.5 years now. Although I do not always agree with your opinions, or those of your contributors, and sometimes get annoyed by stories or comments, I am consistently amazed: by your open-mindedness; your ability to admit when you are wrong; your willingness to accept responsibility for your words; and your commitment to allowing debate. I also so respect your humanitarian work and efforts to promote humanitarian, environmental and political issues on this site.
I am not normally a sycophant but I have just realised that after 3.5 years of free entertainment, it is high time I said “thank you” : )
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Mooner & Tess,
THANK YOU very very much.
xxxx
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Thanks Tess and Mooner for articulating so well what I too adore about Mia. Her ability to confront issues, admit to speaking out before really being able to articulate a fully-formed thought, changing her mind/stance on big issues – I am so guilty of all of this on a frequent basis and could never fess up as confidently as Mia does. So I guess that’s why we find it so easy to read and relate to Mia.
Mamamia is a worthy substitution to other previous media viewing/consumption – thank you from me too!
BTW – just uploaded a totally gorgeous pic of my 2 beautiful daughters (No2 is as of 48hrs ago) no touch-ups required!
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Congratulations!!!!! They’re so beautiful
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Beautiful! Hope it is all going well so far.
I will be joining you in the ‘Mum of two’ club in the next week or so!
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I couldn’t agree with you more, on every single point. Hope your ‘truths’ hit the mainstream media.
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while I am in 2 minds about the photo of Deborah taken yesterday without her knowledge (privacy vs being a celebrity) I think if an untouched photo of her without any make-up or hair-styling had been included in the magazine – I haven’t seen the actual magazine so I don’t know if they included an article on her – it would have ‘tempered’ any outrage over photoshopping and air-brushing.
But maybe since she makes her living as a model she would have declined being photographed without make-up and hair-styling.
I still think the photos of Helen Mirren and Jamie Lee Curtis are more representative of real beauty of over 50s women.
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Well my 92 year old Mum in law told me she took one look at the cover and didn’t buy it… and she buys it every month, has done so for years. I asked her why and she said it had never been the sort of magazine that had naked women on the cover and she didn’t like it so didn’t buy it. I wonder what the January sales were like ? More than expected or less? I guess ultimately this will dictate if there are future naked women on the cover or not. As we know it’s all about selling magazines!
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What I find interesting about this topic is how we are pretending that presenting an idealised view of women is a new thing. Are women represented throughout the ages in multiple forms of artistic expression always represented in a throroughly realistic way? No. Yet we are not beating down the doors of our art galleries complaining that their artworks make us feel bad about ourselves. Heck for a while there sculptures of women weren’t even modelled off women, they were male models holding a couple of oranges in front of them!
So essentially, I think we should get over it and realise that these covers are photoshopped, they are pieces of artwork designed to attract attention and they are not real. We should educate our young people to understand that (most of them actually do), and we should raise them with self-confidence and awareness and a common-sense attitude toward beauty.
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Do we all agree Deborah looks GORGEOUS in the beach photo and obviously takes care of herself. She is beautiful and props to her for that! But she looks very different to the cover photo!
Also I’m with you Mia I hate that an attractive woman can make other women feel bad about themselves. My issue with the cover was it trying to be fed to us as an empowered, gorgeous woman at 50 but the photoshopping made it so far removed from a 50 year old woman there was nothing empowering about it at all.
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Exactly Kathy!
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That natural photo of Deborah is beautiful. She has great genes, but she looks natural and her beauty is attainable. I objected to the cover because it made her look 30 and plastic. I also love looking at pictures of women but not photoshopped ones. Photoshopping does make women feel bad about themselves. Natural beauty on the other hand does not. I love your honesty Mia and love when you admit your mistakes. That’s why I’m a fan.
Personal attacks on Deborah or yourself are not on.
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i think it depends on what sort of magazines you’re reading. Gossip mags don’t have a need to airbrush photos of celebs because they’re not actually selling any product other than the magazine itself.
I think fashion magazines such as Oyster and Vogue have a right to photoshop because like you said, you want to be taken away from reality, and they are creating a fantasy. I think in that case, photoshopping is fine.
I’m not really for or against photoshopping, i’m pretty clued in on how it all works and what parts of a body are most likely to be altered and honestly, looking at bodies of women who “look” perfect inspires me to treat my body with more respect, rather than loathe it.
(this is a very simplistic explanation, i can’t quite form the words for what i want to say).
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It seems to me that the very obvious reason that this cover has created such controversy can be summed up by comparing the picture of Deborah Hutton in her bikini here to the photo used by the Womans Weekly.
They look NOTHING alike!
In the bikini photo she looks like a normal 50 year old woman who looks after herself. On the cover she has been retouched to look like a perfect 30 year old!
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For me the main issue is why AWW think their audience wants to see and compare themselves with Deborah Hutton naked. Why not in beautiful clothes, in a beautiful house, etc isnt this what there audience is more interested in?
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Whats the point of this?
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I thought it was funny and I have no idea why!
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I certainly don’t think he looks “empowered” either…
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That it’s unneccessary and gratuitous. And funny.
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I bought the AWW last week based on the discussion sparked here by Mia on MamaMia. Last night the mag was on our counter as my brother (38) and husband (43) without any prompting from me, started talking about Deb Hutton’s beauty. The verdict was she’s a stone cold fox. Simple. Even (I would say, particularly) in this natural shot of her in a bathing suit. She looks amazing and healthy and real. Why can’t we see more of these images? I would argue it’s because the beauty industry relies on women believing they are flawed. If we all accepted ourselves as we are, they would struggle to sell products.
This story interests me because this is the mag publishing industry talking to itself: yes, Deb Hutton is beautiful and she’s certainly not the first or last beautiful person on the cover of a magazine. This is not revolutionary in itself. But it is a strike against those mags which rely upon photoshopping to sell images.
To me, photoshopping is cheating. I would not book a holiday to a destination based on a doctored image of that location. And when I do book that trip, I don’t expect it to look exactly like it did in the brochure. And it’s the same with beauty, fashion and related industries: and if clients and mags believe that their readers are too stupid to know the difference, well maybe that explains why their sales are down.
Why can’t mags step up and give their readers more?
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I think she looks more amazing in the shot above, since she looks more authentic. You’re right about her looking healthy and real – that’s a body I can aspire to. If magazines inspired us and showed us more women who appeal to us on an aspirational level, we might buy them more.
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So, are you saying the men in your life didn’t notice Deborah Hutton’s beauty until she posed nude…?
(I suspect that’s not what you meant…)
I’ve thought Deborah Hutton is a “stone cold fox” for years…I didn’t need a nude cover to make that obvious to me…
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