by ASHLEIGH SHEEHAN
I make an announcement, “Let’s have stir-fry pork for dinner!” It makes sense, there is an abundance of fresh veggies in my boyfriend’s fridge. Plus ginger. Ginger goes well with pork I think.
I graciously offer to pick up the meat on my way home, “No, no, it’s no trouble.” Curiously, I choose to go out of my way to the Coles a few blocks from work instead of the Woolies I actually trip over five minutes walk from home.
As I peruse the shelves in the fresh meat section, my plan to dash home with conveniently sliced pork is stalled by thoughts of pigs in cages. Those poor animals with the intelligence of a three year old, restricted to a life in a cage not much bigger than their fattened bodies.
I think of the incredible things I see three-year-olds do on YouTube like hip-hop dancing, snowboarding and singing. Those poor pigs, eating, sleeping and giving birth to their offspring in those evil cages. They’re denied their natural behaviors and only leave those cages to DIE.
Of course, I make the decision to purchase free range pork. Even if it costs three times as much. I’ll slice it up myself if necessary. But it becomes apparent quite quickly; Coles in the city does not have free range pork. I stare dumbly at the shelves, willing it to appear. 10 minutes passes. I am cold. Okay, it was more like 5-6 minutes. But still. It’s very cold by the refrigerated shelves. I snap out of my stupor: choose a meat to eat now!
I survey the other options and quickly dismiss chicken. We had that last night. And lamb. The cutlets, although on special, won’t go as nicely with stir-fried Asian greens. Luckily, out of nowhere, I get a brainwave. I know! I’ll make burgers, gourmet style, like Grill’d. Let the bokchoy in the fridge languish, there is Angus ready-made rissoles on special. I reach for them. Perfect! But hang on… Don’t they fatten the cows up inhumanely and that’s how they get the marbling? I realise I have absolutely no idea but I can’t afford to take the risk. I will purchase non-Angus beef.
What about Kangaroo? It’s lean, high in iron and I’m practically doing everyone a favour by eating our coat of arms because its population is out of control! It’s a real pest for, I don’t know, Angus beef farmers or something. This seems like a great option. And cheap! But game meat is a real commitment. You need to be in the mood for it and I’m not. It’s back to the non-Angus beef for me. I get distracted by 500g of mince on special for $3. $3! I imagine my mothers face if she ever saw me put anything other than 5-star beef mince in my shopping basket. The $3, three-star meat stays on the shelf.
By now, I’ve been at the meat section for over 15 minutes. And I’m not even joking. Imagining how suspect I look on CCTV footage, I’m propelled to quickly snatch the organic and over-priced mince in front of me and toss it in my basket. I try to silence the thoughts that threaten to paralyse my shopping efforts as I march towards the beetroot aisle,”Organic? You realise that has nothing to do with whether the meat is humane, right? Plus, the organic meat industry is hardly regulated, what does that sticker really mean? Sucker.”
I surprise myself as I make lightening fast decisions on beetroot, Danish butter and swiss cheese but it’s the mustard shelves that bring me unstuck again. Most of the mustards are the supermarket’s own label which I’m hesitant to purchase. Did the supermarket executives hold metaphorical guns to the heads of mustard factory workers demanding mustard at ludicrously low prices? If I purchase the supermarket’s brand of mustard will the mustard industry remain sustainable? But who actually knows if Masterfoods is anymore ethical? Just buy the mustard.
Approaching the checkout, just two more decisions remain. One, do I go to the self-serve checkout or the one manned by an actual human? Mum once declared that she always lines up for the human option as she feels in doing so, she is preserving jobs for Australians. I labelled her a socialist and argued that the technology for the self-service option was built by humans too. But were they Australians? Does that even matter? Shut up brain.
The second decision: what do I carry my groceries home in? Plagued with guilt, I realise I was going to go with the plastic bag option. (I had no room in my handbag, trust me, and certainly had too many items to juggle with my bare hands). Standing at the self service checkout, scanning my supermarket brand mustard, using a plastic bag, I realise I am a failure at both dashing into the supermarket for one item or shopping ethically. I try to buy myself some credit by fitting everything in just one bag.
I’m clutching my one bag as I walk to the bus stop but about halfway I realise I forgot to buy buns for these magnificent organic beef, gourmet burgers. Arrrrrrgggggghhhhh. It would be convenient to go to the Woolies on the way home but would also make me feel like an idiot for going to Coles in the first place. 180 degree turn.
I purchase bread rolls (supermarket brand!) and stuff them into my one bag. Are you aware of how thin plastic bags are these days? They’re very thin. It’s about 15 steps to my bus when my one earth-destroying plastic bag ejects the mustard from its base. The bottle smashes on impact and dijon splatters onto the foot path and onto my shoe. Having dropped and spilled many things in my life, I wait for what inevitably comes next: being rescued by my parents or sister with paper towels and spray-and-wipe. But my sister is in London and I’m all alone.
I get a sympathetic look and a “just one of those days” from a fellow commuter. I choose not to enlighten her (“this is like, every day of my entire life”) as I attempt to clean up the mustard mess. My overstuffed handbag laden with gym gear, laptop and books puts me off-balance and I cut myself with glass. Blood goes everywhere including the mustard jar that I briefly considered salvaging the contents from (WTF?). There is blood on the slippery packet of brown bread rolls I am now trying to juggle, blood on the swiss cheese and my beloved butter, blood in my bag as I rummage through it for my bus ticket and blood in my mouth as I suck my wound on the bus ride home.
Even the simplest, best laid ethical dining plans can go awry once your social conscience gets in the way.
Advertising pays Ashleigh Sheehan’s rent but she loves to write. Ash has been published on Dogster.com and regularly blogs on her site Outsourcingash.com.au You can follow her on twitter @ashleighsheehan
How do you manage to decide what to cook for dinner with all the ethical decisions a supermarket presents?







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nice article and i agree with this statement that Ethics are not black and white!
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Very simple solution, Aussie Farmers deliver direct to your home. You can choose ethical produce and they support Australian farmers.
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Meal plan ahead will make these decisions easier as you will know what to buy and where. We all want to save the world but we can’t do it on impulse we need to do it with conviction. Once we start to plan how we eat, we will understand why we eat, and realise to be nourished we need to nurture our environment. The dilemma of choice will cease and become the voice of change. I enjoyed reading your article, thank you.
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Really great comment, couldn’t agree more!!! XxDani
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Hahaha hilarious article, I feel the exact same way at the shops. I think some people who read this article may have missed your sense of humour, and atleast you are trying to do the right ethical thing by atleast thinking about the consequences of what you buy rather than blindly buying. We need more people who think and.challenge their behaviour
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wouldnt blame you!!!
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I have the same issues, eggs are ok, I have my own girls in the backyard happily laying eggs, but everything else is hard work and guilt, from the meat, dairy and nappies I buy. I would like to buy everything ethically but sometimes life takes over and I just have to buy what’s there. If only there was a tick system we could trust, something well tested and reliable so that I know it’s Aussie made, grown, owned, ethically produced and not traveled far and the farmer, picker and driver were all treated well. Poached eggs for dinner I guess.
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Coles pork is sow stall free. And they usually have free range, your store was probably just sold out. If you had asked a staff member rather than staring at the fridge for fifteen minutes they probably would have had some out the back and got it for you. Or at least told you these things.
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No, Coles usually stock Bred Free Range pork, which is NOT free range.
From the RSPCA website:
‘Bred free range’ is a term used to apply to pig products (pork, bacon, etc) from pigs that were born in a free-range environment but were subsequently raised indoors. These pigs may be raised in large open sheds with straw bedding (known as ecoshelters) or in small pens on concrete floors as in conventional pig farming systems.
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Cute article, nicely written. I think I’ll stay out of the conversation below, though! Those ethical eating chats never end well…
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I am going to ask a question to all the vegans in all innocent honesty and I will probably be laughed at, but here goes:
I know that eggs are an animal product, of course, and that being a vegan means you did eat animals or their products. But how is eating eggs cruel to animals or harming them? Is it because those eggs could be fertilised and turn into chicks?
I honestly don’t know the answer and am not asking to stir up trouble. And as you can probably guess, I don’t know much about eggs being fertilised etc!
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Eggs from caged eggs are cruel, the hens live such an awful life. I am not a vegan but try to buy eggs that are free range or happily from people who have hens that I know personally.
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I’m not vegan, but it’s my understanding that most eggs are produced under very cruel conditions for chickens. If you can stomach it, google some examples.
Even buying free range eggs doesn’t guarantee a cruelty free product – laws and regulations mean that a chicken given a space the size of an A4 piece of paper in a barn can be advertised as producing ‘free range eggs’.
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OK, thanks ladies.
So, I buy my eggs from a guy whose has chickens are home. Very happy, free ranging chooks. His kids collect the eggs and the money they get from them is their pocket money.
I think I’m buying eggs from a cruelty-free environment…
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Ha ha, sounds like you are safe!
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Obviously, as a vegan, I don’t encourage eggs. But, if you really feel you must, that’s the best way. Free range doesn’t mean anything. It’s better than cage, don’t get me wrong, but there is still cruelty involved.
If you’ve seen his happy chooks in action, that’s the only way to know for sure.
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There’s a really great brand available in Perth/WA- they’re called “Cackleberries” (cute huh) and I’ve been to the farm. They’re very happy chickens. They run around after the farmer all day like little baby ducks, and are just locked up in a barn at night to keep them safe. Expensive but worth it!
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I love this. It is exactly how i feel when shopping.
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Loved the article. Sorry about your finger & your dinner! Loved that you care too!
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I so relate to this article and was surprised by the level of passion it inspired. Everyone makes their own choices about how they want to live ethically and the writer shares her struggles very cleverly, without judgement and with humour. More of this please!
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Just curious and not having a go Diana, why is your title the name for a female that hunts game?
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It’s a name from mythology. I chose it before I went vegan. People “know” me now so it seems silly to change it. Oh, well.
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Thanks was genuinely curious.
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My sister and I are currently doing the same thing. We are actually finding it nearly impossible because all the major food companies have issues with human and workers rights violations (don’t get me started on Nestle!), animal cruelty, questionable business practices, and the list goes on.
I eat chicken and fish but don’t like red meat. I couldn’t give up eating those two as I can’t substitute my diet with nuts, lentils ect as I’m allergic to so many of them.
Sydney is one of the hardest to get real organic produce. It’s much easier in Victoria, Tasmania, South Australia.
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There are loads of organic butchers in Sydney and plenty of farmers markets. Just don’t expect to find any organic meat (or any meat of any quality) at the supermarkets.
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farmers markets are rarely certified so anyone could technically write a hand written “Organic” sign. Butchers are a little easier to find. Organic milk where the cows and the bobby cows are treated ethically is almost impossible to find in NSW. If anyone knows of a brand or company, please share
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Try barambah organic milk
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Hi anonymous
Maybe you could try getting in contact with Lindsay McDougall? He’s the guitarist from Frenzal Rhomb and also works at Triple J radio, I’m suggesting this as he is allergic to wheat, gluten, eggplant, cashews, almonds and pistachios, lives in Sydney and is a vegan. He will be able to give you the best places to shop for organic foods. Hit him up on twitter @doctortriplej – he always replies to vegan/vegetarian related topics. Hope this helps
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Why is this post labelled “funny”? It isn’t. Watch enough factory farming videos (or better yet, the documentary Earthlings) and you’ll figure out your first-world guilt really doesn’t count for much.
I’m sorry, I’m sure you’re a nice person, and I do have a sense of humour, but those animals deserve better than a column making light of how “bad” you feel.
Oh? And free range doesn’t mean shit. They still suffer en route to and at the slaughterhouse.
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Amen
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Totally agree with you. I can sure relate to this article, though.
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Why do you feel the need to force your opinion on everyone else? So you’re a vegan, that’s fantastic but not for everyone.
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I’m not forcing anyone to do anything.
Sharing an unpopular opinion does not equal forcing. You are free to disagree with me.
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I can back that uncomfortable opinion up with plenty of evidence, by the way. See the reference to “Earthlings” in my OP. I don’t actually expect anyone to take my word for it. But it would be nice if they actually did as much research as your average vegan has before they dismiss our views as ridiculous or extreme.
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Well reading the comments you’ve made on this post, you’re obviously very passionate about animal rights and I think that’s great. But just because other people don’t make the same choices as you doesn’t mean that they are wrong.
I have done research on veganism and, personally, I can understand why people choose not to eat meat and dairy, but don’t see the problem with free range eggs (as long as they really are free range). But how far do you go? The more I think about it, the more problems I can see. I’m assuming that you would avoid all leather products and use only cruelty-free cosmetics and toiletries, but do you drive a car? Countless animals are killed on the roads daily, not to mention the infinite number of insects splattered on windscreens and the pollution to the environment. Animals are accidentally killed in crop production, so how do you know that your fruit and vegetables are 100% ethical? Not trying to be argumentative, I’m genuinely curious. It just seems like it would be extremely hard to live without causing any harm whatsoever to animals or fellow humans.
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Most vegans will acknowledge that it’s impossible to be 100% vegan. Yes, I drive a car. Animals are killed whilst harvesting veg, etc. I own my hypocrisy. Absolutely.
But to the extent that is controllable (my diet, my clothing, my cosmetics etc) I will do my utmost.
Funny thing happens as you progress with veganism- the dilemma becomes less and less as the more you know, the less you enjoy the things which were the sticking point in the first place.
I still enjoy most of the things I did before. I’m not living an ascetic life in a cave beating myself with sticks. I watch movies, I see live music, I go out with friends, I eat treats (yes, there are LOTS of vegan treats, and many mainstream foods are in fact vegan). I maintain friendships with vegans and non-vegans.
It seriously is much easier than people think it is. And the other thing is- the more people do it, the more normal it will become, so “specialty” foods won’t be as expensive. Have you had vegan cheese? It is much nicer than you’d think. There’s one called Vegusto which is lovely, meltable and so on.
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Thanks for answering my questions Diana
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Hear Hear! I’m so sick of self rightous vegetarians/vegans. I love eating meat and I’m proud of it.
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I don’t think the comments against Diana are warranted.
The post is about ethical choices and she’s sharing how she makes hers.
I think people who label vegans as ‘righteous’ or ‘hippies’ are just close minded. She has a right to her opinion just as much as any carnivore. She lives with her choices, you have to live with yours.
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Thank you, Joy.
I’m not a perfect person, not by a long shot, and I don’t claim to be. I’m not difficult to hang out with and I don’t whine much. If there is an event where there is unlikely to be food for me, I eat beforehand. And it might surprise some of you to know I don’t actually lecture my omnivore friends. We go out to eat and neither of us gives the other a hard time. I’m not a person who “preaches” unbidden, and my veganism only ever comes up in passing or when it’s relevant to the discussion, like this topic. I also have a policy of not discussing it during a meal. I don’t “moo” or talk about meat being murder. I let them eat their chicken and I don’t say anything or give them filthy looks.
But attack my way of life and I will defend it with facts and point out lapses in logic and ethics, and I’m not going to sugarcoat it. It’s not my responsibility to spare your feelings when innocent, voiceless beings are suffering.
Not being offended or irritated is not a fundamental right. But living without fear and suffering at the hands of those who should know better should be.
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Oh good lord, get off the cross, we need the wood!
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Veganism isn’t self-motivated. I can assure you this isn’t enjoyable (the diet is fine. Other people’s attitudes, not so much), and dealing with all of it just to have the “satisfaction” of being a martyr would be a very limited return indeed.
It’s ok. Your average vegan is used to the epithets. It’s much, much easier to call someone extreme, self-righteous, new age, naive, trendy, hipster, preachy, precious, humorless or strident than it is to actually ask yourself if maybe, just maybe, we might be on to something and maybe, just maybe, most average, good people are complicit in cruelty by giving their money to factory farms.
Some of it is genuine apathy. I get it. But I’ll be buggered if some of it isn’t guilt-based deflection.
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Oh, and on the “superior” thing which vegans often have thrown at them- we don’t actually think we’re superior. To anyone, including non-human animals. That’s…the point.
And most of us aren’t clean-living smug IKEA catalogue types who wear white and always look calm, either. I suck at lots of things. My romantic life wavers between non-existent and surreally intense, I’m an impulse shopper, I have exes who hate me and a stack of utility bills I routinely forget and laundry which has literally been sitting there for months (hey, not the stuff I usually use. I’m not that bad….) So…yeah. Not claiming to be perfect.
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The animals are a little uncomfortable for a little while, but they usually aren’t injured and settle very quickly onceloaded and then unloaded.
Of course they’re going to be uncomfortable at the abortoir, they get killed. That’s a fact of life, get over it.
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Seaghan – You might want to check your facts a bit there before telling people to “get over it.” Watch enough documentaries, read enough reports and you will see that many animals are injured, uncomfortable and treated inhumanely.
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I’m not that well informed about all this, I admit. But I do try not to waste food, and dont believe in processed food given nature has provided us with everything we need. Which is where is get a bit lost with the debate on meat, fish, dairy and eggs. Vegans – is it the cruelty against animals that is the issue, sustainability, a belief that it is a healthier way of eating, is it that you believe animals are not here as a food source, all of the above? What about a free roaming farm animal that is killed onsite and consumed by the farming family? I am not questioning anyone’s rationale, I am genuinely interested.
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So true. When I read that title I decided if it was an article making a joke out of the plight and mistreatment of animals or belittling this issue I would never log onto mamamia again. Pigs are very mistreated which is why I will not eat pork and Im sure that the CCTV footage of workers punching and torturing pigs is a huge laugh. Not funny! That said and rant over I did enjoy reading this so thank you for showing a perspective of someone who is actually trying to make ethical decisions.
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You’re so critical of every article on MM, maybe you should stop visiting and start your own blog? I liked the article because it is true for many people. This isn’t hard hitting journalism about animal cruelty, this is just about a woman trying to go shopping and some modern day problems.
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Hi Diana The Huntress,
Thanks so much for contributing so passionately to the discussion! I am loving your thoughts. Whilst I wrote the article I didn’t write the headline! (Fact: people who say that they are funny are almost entirely un-funny.) I wrote the article fully aware and frustrated by my lack of knowledge and consistency with my food choices.
I’m interested to know, did you become vegan overnight or was it a journey? Perhaps I’m on that journey too
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Ash – wonderful article!
I was too concerned about the headline labeled ‘FUNNY’ but once I read the article I knew the headline wouldn’t have been written by the author.
I think you echoed what a lot of people feel. I tend to think every bit helps
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Hi Diana,
I love reading your comments re: veganism, I find them insightful and educated. Can I ask, out of genuine curiosity, do you eat honey? I’m not trying to be rude or anything, I only ask because I have met a few vegans who forgot/don’t seem to realise where honey comes from.
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Ash-
You’re welcome, and thank you for clarifying. For me it was a journey. I was vegetarian for a few years but I’d known for a while something wasn’t right with dairy. I had no idea how hideously cruel the process was, though. I also wasn’t aware that many free-range egg farms are almost as cruel as battery farms. Hens are debeaked without anaesthetic, and free-range also doesn’t mean fresh air. Free-range hens can spend their lives having never seen the light of day.
The kicker for me was seeing the film Earthlings. I know I’m spruiking that film a lot but it was instrumental in many people becoming vegan. It’s easy to argue in a vegan’s face but not quite so easy to refute video evidence, which it has in spades. It’s horrifying but I really, really hope you give it a look. The whole thing is online and it’s narrated by either Alec Baldwin or Joaquin Phoenix (I forget which- one of them narrates Meet Your Meat, another one definitely worth seeing).
Becoming vegan is so easy now because of all you can google, and I promise you if you get on a facebook group (there are heaps) or on a vegan forum, you will find many people (wherever you are) willing to bend over backwards to help, and you will make vegan friends easily. I know it sounds really cult-y, but it isn’t. It’s just being in such a misunderstood group promotes bonding. You’ll meet many kindhearted, funny people. And a few judgey dickheads, too. But they’re usually in the minority.
Most of us, for example, aren’t going to pile on you for making a mistake. Ignore the “omigod you accidentally ate something with palm oil!!!1111!!!” types, they’re wankers.
Even if you’re not sold on veganism but think you might want to give it a semi-go or even just incorporate some it into your life, the best thing you can do is go to World Vegan Day in November in Melbourne. You will not BELIEVE the food. People who think it’s all lentils and dust could not be more wrong.
I’m at risk of proselytizing here so I’ll stop, but if anyone’s interested in links or resources, I can provide.
Jess-
Honey isn’t vegan, no. I don’t deliberately consume it, but I don’t flagellate myself if it’s in something and I find out after. Actually, I’ll say that about most things (except meat itself, which I’m actually repulsed by). I do my absolute utmost not to consume animal products, but if I find out afterwards I accidentally ate something I shouldn’t have (ingredient lists can be tricksy), I don’t torture myself. There’s no point.
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Thanks for this. Really appreciate it
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Love this post! I try as hard as I can to purchase food & household goods that are produced ethically & humanely. I hate the thought of something else suffering for my convenience. I think if the reality of factory farming was prevelant in main stream media more people would feel the same. Call me a tree hugger if you choose, but I call myself compassionate and for me that’s nothing to be ashamed of.
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I use a lot of tinned tomatoes, and trying to find a tin without added salt and no BPA inside the tin just about did my head in!
On the bags, Envirosax are your friend! Fit very nicely in even a small purse and hold much more than expected!
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Were you successful re the tomatoes? Can you share the brand name?
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Great read and I love that your conscience is “ready for action”……..I’ve been a Vegetarian for 25yrs simply because of the “cruelty to animals issue”.
It’s my choice…….it doesn’t have to be your choice.
I wish more people cared about ethics and kindness to animals, but sadly, they don’t.
I don’t believe in evangelism of any kind so you won’t get a rant from me about how you should live your life……..just be kind to people and other animals and – “keep it simple”.
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Couldn’t agree more!
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Reading this exhausted me.
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Never understood the whole free range meat, you can treat the pig as nicely as you want but the end is the same the pig is going to be killed.
I do prefer to buy australian made food though just to support our workers, sometimes a product will have on the front Australian owned but when you read the back the product is from Iran or India.
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The point of free range: farmed animals are brought into existence for us to eat, they are all eventually killed. However isn’t it nicer to give them a nice life, rather than let them suffer and then kill them?
Your logic sounds akin to my fathers “I don’t buy free range because I can’t taste the difference”. The point isn’t for it to be better tasting – the point is to be as kind as possible to animals while still allowing to be able to eat the meat.
The point is to be grateful to the animal for giving up it’s life so you can have a fricking sausage!
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It may make you feel better to buy free range but the pig is still dead.
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I dont think anyone questioned if a free range pig is still dead. Thats a given.
I would just much prefer that when its alive, it is treated with as much dignity and respect as possible, with access to sunlight, grass, mud and all the trimmings of *ahem* being alive.
We are all going to die one day. Some of us naturally, some of us at someone elses hand. If someone were to choose if you spent your life in a paddock, or in a cage within a shed, what would you prefer they choose?
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I dont dispute that it may be treated better I just think that if you think you are being ethical by buying free range then you are kiding yourself, I love eating pork but I dont kid myself on how it ended up on my plate, if you want to be “ethical” with your food the only way is to be a vegetarian.
I am not trying to sound like an ass I just dont see how people can claim to be ethical when they still kill the animal, less cruel maybe but ethical no.
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Amend that to “vegan”. Dairy and egg production creates just as much suffering as meat production.
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Ethics are not black and white! Properly certified & audited free range meat is more ethical than non free range, surely?
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Only being ethical by being a vegetarian would only work if those are your ethics.
If your ethics are that you are happy to eat meat that is free range, then that is ethical to you.
If your ethics are that you’re cool with factory farming and feedlots, to produce wagyu beef and foie gras, that means that if you eat that food, that’s ethical. For you.
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Do you believe the holocaust or WWI didn’t matter because the majority of the victims are now dead?
Your argument is invalid.
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That is the worst argument I have ever heard for free range meat and is completely disrespectful to the victims of the Holocaust, there is a big difference between people who were murdered because of their race and religion and how you treat a pig before you kill it.
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Amen
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And you are equating the life of an animal to that of a human.
That is simply offensive.
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I would absolutely rate many animals I have known over a few people I have known.
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I don’t actually agree with you. Who are you to say that a human is more important than an animal. I compare some of the footage I have seem of the mistreatment of animals to the concentration camps and you can be offended if you like but that offends me too. Humans are the ones that a ruining this planet not animals. I myself prefer the company of animals to most humans anyway.
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The animal didn’t give up it’s life. It was forced to by a human.
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And it was given life by a human, so what’s the problem?
The truth is, and Animal rights advocates (who are right up there with anti vaccers) willnot admit, is that the vast majority don’t like cruelty to animals, but accept that every now and then the animals will be a bit uncomfortable before they are killed and butchered.
I’m just sick of hearing rubbish from animal rights nut jobs because they think the life of an animal is equal to, or greater in value than the life of a human.
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I just felt my eyes literally bulge, reading your comment. You, seaghan, disgust me. If we were at a dinner party together I would tell you this – while trying to resist the urge to jam my fork in your arm.
Anti-vaxers and people who respect animal rights are not the same.
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Ugh, can’t edit, but please excuse my misplaced comma – I was caught in the moment and fingers went astray
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Never apologise for a stray comma! No need!
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How did a human give life to an animal seagan? I’m pretty sure that animals give birth to other animals and did so long before humans were around.
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So not defending some of seagans posts but I would just like to add that sometimes people who farm animals actually do really care about the animals.
My parents own a small pig farm. They are paddock kept so they have acres of room to move in grass, trees and heaps of mud to roll in and keep cool. My parents are out there morning and night to check everyone of them is fine. they also pat them, name them and play with them. These are happy pigs.
When the sows start to have babies (i dont know the actual term for this) the mumma pig is moved into the shed (only in winter so the bubbas dont die of cold, in summer Dad leaves them outside in a separate pen because other wise the other pigs eat the babies) into a hay bottom pen.
Many times Dad has had to have him arm up a pigs vagina to help get the piglets out because they get stuck sometimes and both Mum and Piglets die.
Lets not pretend that the pigs don’t die. They do. Mum and Dad do all this on their farm and it is all done to humane practices. They also often invite the vets and RSPCA out to look around to advise them if they can be doing anything better.
So can we pleas not write off all farmers as heartless people. They arent.
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I imagine that people who used to defend slave ownership used arguments just like yours seaghan.
Also, no human has ever been hurt by choosing not to eat meat. You can’t say the reverse is true. So how exactly do you argue that treating animals humanely, or choosing not to consume animal products, is putting greater value on animal life than human?
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Well by that logic, we may as well starve all the inmates on death row in the US and provide them with no stimulation, sustenance or basic rights – cause they’re going to be dead in the end anyway…..
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Actually, by that logic you would support abolition of the death penalty.
I am vegan but agree with both Rach and Guest. Free range is more ethical than non free range in a relative sense, but not killing at all is unquestionably more ethical than either. I do struggle to understand the argument that farmers love their animals and value their welfare – this to me is impossible if you ultimately arrange the killing or suffering of an animal simply to sate human tastebuds.
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I loved this article! “I choose not to enlighten her (“this is like, every day of my entire life”)” – I know that feeling, ha! People are usually shocked and sympathetic and embarrassed for me when I fall over in public. If only they knew how often it happened.
I also am a bit of an ethical try hard – it’s difficult balancing budget and ethics. The thought is there but unfortunately I don’t always execute so well! One day I’ll get there.
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It’s pretty simple: make friends with your local butcher if you can. They’ll source for you and they know where all their meat has come from.
Might be a tad more expensive but so worth it.
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My husband used to work for Coles and the truck that delivered their meat… also delivered to the butcher next door too. It isn’t always better.
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Not discounting what you are saying, or your husband’s experience, but its not really a given. Realistically its possible that the order given to Coles was of a lesser quality than that given to the Butcher – or vice versa.
Also, there are usually a group of farmers who use the same delivery service, as many farms are smaller and cant justify having a truck/truck driver all of their own. Its possible that one delivery came from a free range farm, and another from a cage-using farm.
There is also the way it is stored – the butcher might store it better than coles, or sell it sooner, or vice versa.
Personally I just wouldnt take the truck thing as a fact that the meat sold at each are one and the same.
Even if it is the same meat, I would much rather buy my ethically farmed meat from a local butcher than from a giant monopolising company.
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meat to the butchers/supermarkets do not come from the farmers It comes from the abattoirs
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I had to laugh when my mum and dad went to visit my mum’s sisters (they are city folk) Dad brought some chickpeas he had grown with him, so they cooked them up and made hummous.
Well they went on and on about how beautiful the hummous was, how fresh, how it tasted better than they had ever had etc….
They said, wow it’s organic chickpeas too!
Dad told them it wasn’t actually organic, and they were floored. He said “Yes, we do have to spray the crops a few times or we wouldn’t have any to harvest”.
They were all disappointed at this and thought he should be able to grow them without sprays. Sprays are essential and chickpeas are really hard to grow, must be perfect conditions, watching for moths and bugs, weeds etc….
Funny how they were so disappointed at beautiful tasting food, the organic “label” wasn’t on it and people walk away grumbling???
We need to get over ourselves and enjoy the food we grow in Australia, as it is wonderful, even with some spraying occasionally.
Funny post!
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Just give up eating meat and you will have no worries choose Organic vegetables fom the local market
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That’s assuming there is a local market nearby. With stall holders who stock organic vegetables from local producers. Not nearly as easy as it sounds.
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Not easy at all! I go to my local market and they have conventional produce from a local farm, and a few organic options from interstate. And I have to drive 25mins to get there. We have a loooong way to go.
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There are a number of companies that will now deliver true, free range food to your door. Try Feather and Bone for starters!
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I so know this feeling! Although my biggest issue is that my other half is a bargain hunter. He does not understand my need for ethical shopping. I have got him on the free range pork band wagon, but only because it is the only way he is getting it. Now just to institute a free range chicken crack down.
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It’s the pigs that always get me too…. could totally relate to this!
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Great article! And bang on the zeitgeist @ashleighsheehan- I work for an arts organisation on the South Coast of NSW- Arthur Boyd’s property. And picking up on this goodwill/confusion in the community about what consitutes sustainable eating we have organised a free festival event on the September long weekend called SITEWORKS: FUTURE FOOD FEAST with Jenny Brockie from SBS Insight chairing a discussion. If you’re interested in this issue and live in the area, Canberra or Sydney head on down for a great day with the kids!
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Hi Kate,
Good luck with the event – it looks great!
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It’s hard to find good produce here, there is a Whole Foods near us but their produce is overly expensive! Luckily there’s a Farmers Market down the street from us every Sunday, so once a fortnight we shop there and the other weeks we get an organic fruit and veg box delivered from the local farms here. As for meat, again getting good quality meat here is expensive and well sometimes it’s hard to justify spending so much money but I always try to buy ethically raised meat. Found out last week the Farmers Market also sell meat so will have to look at what they have there, I’m sure it will be pricey!
Eggs are another thing! Organic eggs range from about $3 – $4/dozen whereas Pasture Raised ones are $7-$8.
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I totally love this!
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There is actually an organisation out to help solve our ethical eating concerns. And it doesn’t invlove going to over-priced specialty stores.
Look up the ethical consumer app on itunes called Shop Ethical. It lists the best supermarket options and tells you why its the best as well. They also do a printed guide if preferred.
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Thanks Hannah – great idea
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Loved this…so funny. How one small choice can lead to disastrous consequences….mmmmm that could apply to a lot of things ethical or not.
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I navigate the ethical shopping quagmire via iphone.
Shop Ethical! is a great little app. It compiles all the good and the bad about different companies and products, with sources, and includes as much or as little info as you want to know about them. Link below:
http://tiny.cc/u0apiw
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Thank you! This will be so helpful.
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I’m lucky I just eat everything/anything. Makes shopping really easy.
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lol you’re lucky – not so much the pigs
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I am not a try hard. I am an ethical eater and I’m proud of it. I’m vegetarian, we have large vegetable gardens and are mostly self sufficient and we shop at farmers markets. I locally source most things in my pantry and make a conscious effort not to eat anything processed. It’s just better!
The only meat I buy from supermarkets is that $3 mince for my dogs cos it’s cheap and suits them (with their brown rice and vegetable mix and chicken wings from the butcher … lucky dogs!). When I do shop at Coles I make sure not to buy anything that is Coles brand too.
It is complicated and time consuming, but at least I know where my food comes from.
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I’m not trying to be nasty, but if you pride yourself on being ethical, how come you’re vegetarian and not vegan?
You know about veal calves, right?
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We are lucky enough to have chickens plus neighbours who have delightful ducks, I shop from a local dairy but I do still feel that dairy is problematic and am slowly cutting back from it. I have no issue with eggs if I can see the chicken or duck they come from and know that they are living happy lives!
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I so want to have chickens one day!
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What’s the problem with eating veal? It’s yummy.
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I know from past posts that you enjoy trolling, but I will assume your question is sincere and answer it, if only so others who actually care might see it.
Veal calves are male calves of dairy cows. They are seen as an unnecessary by-product so they are taken away (usually in the first 24 hours) unweaned so the milk goes to humans. It is well-documented that the mothers and babies grieve terribly for each other. The baby is stuck in a crate roughly the size of a dog kennel. It is also legal to starve them for 30 hours. Babies which should be fed every few hours.
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I’m no more a troll than you are Diana.
You gave a nice description of what happens to male calves, with a bit of emotive rubbish thrown in, but you didn’t answer the question, what is wrong with eating veal?
I suppose if I told you I prefer unborn veal you go right apopleptic. I don’t see anything wrong with that either.
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Can you actually buy unborn veal here? We were told in cooking training that we don’t really have true veal here, it’s really young beef or something?
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What is emotive about stating facts? Everything I wrote is true, and well-documented.
You’re under no obligation to care about it, but is not, by definition, “rubbish”.
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The only time I’ve ever had unborn veal is when I was on the farm. Every now nd then a cow would have an enormous bull calf and wasn’t able to deliver it. So the cow would be put down and the calf removed.
I’ve never seen unborn calf at a retail outlet.
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Omg. That’s intense.
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Obviously I don’t need to elaborate on what is “wrong” with it, given my well-stated position on other issues.
Could you do it yourself? Have a starving, crying calf in a crate in your backyard? You might feel a little less comfortable with the process if you had to watch it.
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Yearling beef is available, and that is from an animal that’s between about 6 and 18 months old.
I’m pretty sure veal sold in Australia is younger than 6 months. Some of the t bones of veal that I’ve seen have come from a pretty big animal, so it’s not often from a 2 month old bully calf. Real veal is white when cooked, and because the calf hasn’t been running around the paddock the muscle fibres aren’t very well developed the meat is extremely tender.
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Diana, you’re feeding on emotive rubbish..
You cite animal cruelty, yet the vast majority of farmers, abbatoir workers and everyone in between understands that stressing the animals leads to trouble with the animals. The cruel individuals deserve punishment, but you’re using an emotive argument based on a couple of instances of cruelty to justify your position.
I’d be quite happy to have a bully calf in my back yard to raise then kill. I’ve done it too. It doesn’t phase me one bit.
Just to clear one thing up, bully claves are not separated as early as you are saying, and they don’t “cry” They aren’t human.
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That’s what I thought. I’m not a veal eater, so I haven’t really looked too deeply into it.
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Diana thanks for your comments. I think you are a kind person who believes animals were not put on this planet for us to mistreat and you are doing a great job. There is another person replying to your comments who is ignorant and has probably never had an intelligent thought in their life. I commend people like you who take an interest and care and can only hope that I can try to make a difference also no matter how small by choosing to think about where my food came from.
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Just because someone is comfortable with animals being killed for food doesn’t make them ignorant, incapable of intelligent thought or a supporter of mistreatment of animals.
Your superiority delusion and speaking about someone who disagrees with you in such terms is not going to do anything to further your cause, and just makes you look like an arrogant person pushing your beliefs on others.
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Kris I don’t believe it is my job to convince you either way! You do what you want and if it sits well with you the so be it. I was commending someone on standing up for what I believe is a great cause. I dont see how I pushed my beliefs on you in any way nor am I interested in what you do or do not do.
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How then can you justify calling someone ignorant, unintelligent and a supporter for the mistreatment of animals? By doing that, you’re forcing your beliefs on someone else. And being rude.
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I justify it because that’s what I believe that person is. If you don’t give a crap about what you eat or how it got to your plate then I believe you are ignorant. The comments on here by someone saying they don’t care how an animal was treated because it tastes yummy make me sick. When this planet is stuffed because we all consume and eat meat without any thought to sustainability then what will we do? I do not believe animals were put on this planet to be cruelly caged and slaughtered so we can eat them and mistreat them. If you take no interest in how your food got to your plate then you are part of the problem. That is my OPINION and by giving it does not mean I am stuffing my beliefs down your throat. If you don’t like them don’t read this.
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Where has seaghan said he doesn’t give a crap about what he eats or how it got to his plate? Meat is yummy. I love eating meat. And I, like Seaghan and many many others, know where out meat comes from, how it gets to our plates, and yet we’re still comfortable with that.
Where has Seaghan (or I, for that matter) shown any lack of interest in how we get our food (meat or otherwise) for you to call anyone ignorant or uneducated?
And if you’re going to suggest that someone IS ignorant or uneducated, then actually, I do think it’s your job to educate them. Rather than, you know, just throwing around insults.
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Thank you, An. I try.
Honestly, I think most people mean well. Most vegetarians and omnivores don’t give me a hard time and are supportive, even if they don’t fully understand it.
In my experience, the most vocal/nasty critics either a) feel guilty but aren’t adult enough to own it or b) have a financial/personal stake in these industries. I’d say that’s well borne-out by the comments here.
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The fact that seagan doesn’t have a problem eating veal except to say it is yummy shows they have no interest in the treatment of animals. Veal calves are treated appallingly FACT and if you eat it and know this then you do not care how animals are treated before they are killed and end up on your plate.
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Explain to us though, please, how acknowledging how meat comes to us is uneducated and ignorant?
That isn’t what Seaghan has said at all. He has explained how he has eaten veal – I asked questions about it and he explained. How is that uneducated and ignorant?
I feel no guilt eating meat, and that doesn’t make me ignorant or uneducated. Far from it. It just means that it doesn’t freak me out as much as it does you. That’s everyone’s prerogative. Eat what you want. But you don’t get to call someone who has explained themselves rationally and respectfully ignorant and uneducated. You’re just proving your own belligerence in doing so.
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One of your comments earlier said just because you don’t eat meat doesn’t mean you believe in mistreating animals. Yet then talk about eating veal therefore you dont care if animals are mistreated as long as it is “yummy”. That to me is ignorant. If you feel comfortable with this then good for you but it would never sit well with me. I am not trying to make everbody a vegetarian that isnt my job but I do wish that people would take an interest in what happens to the meat before it gets to your plate and to not is ignorant.
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And I never said anything about uneducated. How would I know what yours or any bodies education is unless you told me.
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This seems pretty clear:
“There is another person replying to your comments who is ignorant and has probably never had an intelligent thought in their life”. I must correct myself, I did say “uneducated” but I mean where you had said “unintelligent”. Either way, it’s still proving your utter belligerence.
Where have I said anything about not caring about how animals are treated? You’ve confused yourself a bit, I think. Don’t assume that people who eat meat don’t care about or appreciate how our meat comes to us.
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Yes it is clear you accused me of saying uneducated and that is it what i said so who is getting confused, not me. Unintelligent and uneducated are not the same thing. I am also done replying to you and will not be checking replies. My belief is that you feel guilt about the meat you eat and just feel like arguing to make yourself feel better with your choices. Good luck with that.
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Your belief is wrong. Which is what you seem to refuse to understand.
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Becoming a vegan is exceptionally difficult, especially when you’re allergic to so many products (for me I’m allergic to tree nuts, peanuts, soy, wheat, barley, coconut, sesame, most lentils, so many herbs I won’t waste my time writing them, oats, corn, skim milk and there is more that I won’t bore you with!
Under medical advisement, I simply couldn’t become a complete vegetarian until I was taking supplements for almost everything I needed…. impossible. I don’t eat eggs, I rarely eat red meat, I eat sustainable seafood and organic free range chicken.
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Your dogs sound spoiled, I bet they love it!
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I know the feeling!! I ended up going veggo, but even that comes with problems… Got to have organic non GM tofu, or should I just get tempeh? What about BPA on the inside of cans? Is this make up paraben free?
GAH who would have thought a simple trip to the supermarket could be so fraught with ethical/health decisions?!
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