By KATE HUNTER
I love the opening credits of Puberty Blues – that perfect, glassy wave. It reminds me of the ads for ‘Crystal Cylinders’ the surf brand that preceded Billabong, even Rip Curl. ‘Now you’re feelin’ free,’ went the jingle, ‘In your Crystal Cylinders …’
It was too perfect, of course – the waves, the sun. It was only a matter of time before pollution and skin cancer spoiled the party.
Puberty Blues became even darker last night. And it made me ask whether, in 30 years, has anything besides music, haircuts and seat belt laws changed at all? Are the challenges of growing up any easier, particularly for teenage girls?
Sex. I hope and pray (as the mother of two girls) that my daughters are a bit savvier than Debbie and Sue by the time they start ‘goin’ round’ with boys. I want them to be (as well as older) a bit gutsier, able to say, ‘No,’ or, ‘That hurts,’ or, ‘For god’s sake have a shower.’ I don’t want them to have sex in a panel van (actually, the make of the car is irrelevant), or imagine whether there’s something wrong with them if it doesn’t ‘fit’.
I hope my girls will ask me, not the Cheryl equivalent (and there will be one) when is the right time to have sex. I’ll suggest a window of possibly longer than a week.
Similarly, I hope my son realises girls are people and not, as Kathy Lette once wrote, ‘Sperm Spittoons’.
For all the parents’ looseness and Strip Jack naked playing, they were rubbish at communicating with their kids. Would it have made any difference if they had? Have kids ever really listened to their parents? They certainly watched. Poor, tortured Gary doesn’t have much of a role model in his dad does he? The invisible father-son arm wrestle is torturous. As soon as Ferris offers Gary a glimmer of approval, he turns around and smashes it like a surfboard under a Stag. I wonder what Dr Phil would have to stay about that piece of parenting.
Alcohol. I have a theory that mobile phones make kids drunker. When I was at schoolies week in 1984 (pretty much my only experience of wild times at the beach) we spent so much time WALKING AROUND LOOKING FOR PEOPLE, there was a chance to sober up between drinks. Sure, like Cheryl, there were spews in public places, but I can’t remember any hospitalisations. A doctor pal of mine said binge drinking now among kids is so bad that, ‘If it wasn’t for alcohol, emergency departments would be pretty much empty on a Saturday night.’
Drugs. So far, there’s a bit of dope wafting around the Greenhills gang, but not much else. In 2012, there’s a veritable cornucopia of drugs to choose from. A chemical smorgasbord, something for all tastes and budgets. Mixed with a range of caffeine charged, alcoholic premixes, its no wonder today’s drugs have paramedics reaching for the Redbull.
Relationships. Debbie and Sue now have boyfriends, and the respect of Cheryl (who seems less cool since her hurl on Gary’s dad’s car) but are they any happier? What’s it going to do to their friendship?
In 1979 and 2012, one thing is constant – growing up can be ugly, even when the backdrop is beautiful.

Puberty Blues is a story about a nation growing up. It tells the story of two girls, Debbie and Sue; their innocence lost and experience gained against the backdrop of Australia in the seventies.
Based on the iconic novel Puberty Blues by Kathy Lette and Gabrielle Carey, the series will move beyond the original pages and explore the (mis) adventures of these young girls, their families and friends in a more naïve time in Australia’s history.
8:30pm Wednesdays, on Ten.

Puberty Blues
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What do you think? Is it easier growing up now than it was in the seventies?







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164 Comments so far
Blow jobs are the new pashing. By 15 brazilians, hooker heels and MDMA are de rigeur.
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I’m just loving this show! My husband & I are both 70′s teenagers from the Northern Beaches so we can relate to heaps from Puberty Blues. We have children aged the same now & they’re enjoying watching this series. We still live in the same area & my eldest reckons it looks fun back then.
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I was 13 in 1979 (in Cronulla) and though I wasn’t as boy-mad as the girls in the original Puberty Blues I did see my schoolmates go through some stuff I don’t want my daughter to experience until she is much older. She is 13 now and so much more self confident and refuses to change her personality and her beliefs just so she can have a boyfriend. Hopefully my history of little self esteem has made me ensure she will never be taken advantage of.
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Things are different now and teenagers don’t grow up in such a dodgy gang if they don’t want to. Let’s remember Debbie and Sue have been dying to be in the group they are in now.
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dear people commenting below:
we don’t care what you think of the show! don’t watch it, and it’s about kids hitting puberty, ofcourse they’re going to have sexual intercourse.
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amazing show i hope it never ends wow it’s so entertaining i wait for it every wendsday :’)
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I would hate to be a teenager now. I think technology and social media have made everything a million times harder. I worry for my children when they’re teenagers.
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I find the show utterly foul!
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I can’t say whether it was easier being a teen in the seventies or now because I have no experience of being a teen in either of these decades! However I can say that I found the scene where Debbie loses her virginity difficult to watch because I could draw parallels with my own first time. There was no panel van and no Vaseline and I was a few years older than 13 but there were definite similarities. The feeling of being pressured into it, the feeling of awkwardness and discomfort, the inexperience. I saw the look on Debbie’s face of just lying there and hoping to get it over with and I remember feeling exactly the same way. I also felt used and discarded afterwards. However, this was not the seventies but the very early 2000’s.
I often feel stupid for the way I lost my virginity. I should’ve been stronger and just told him that I wasn’t ready. Why did I let myself get talked into it? Whenever people talk about their lovely romantic first times with a long-term boyfriend who loved them and never pressured them, I feel a bit of a twinge. A twinge for what could have been. So to draw a contrast to some of the comments below that state that in the 90′/00′s girls didn’t lose their virginities this way i can with certaity that although the scenery was slightly different, that is not true.
At the end of the day, though, I can’t change the past and can only learn from my experiences. I am loving the series and even though I wasn’t around in the 70s there are aspects of going through puberty that are just universal!!
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“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.”
― Socrates
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Haha love it
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This is so hard to watch. I was a very well behaved teenager with quite strict parents and somehow managed to navigate through unscathed. I have two little girls and I’m so scared of their teenage years. I think the thing that most disturbs me is that Debbie’s parents seem quite strict and sensible yet she has still managed to get in with a bad crowd and is having sex at 13. So depressing. I guess it illustrates that open communication between parents and kids is the key, as well as heaps of wholesome after school activities!
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Just to get one thing straight here…. Sue and Debbie are SIXTEEN and all of the stuff that happens in the episodes STILL happens today… I am 15 and I know for a fact that this continues. I thinks it’s a way of growing up! And it’s also kind of fun!!
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I think teen girls are possibly even worse these days. Plenty of teenagers as young as 14 are going to parties, they play rainbow , whereby the teen boy is blindfolded and has to guess which girl is performing oral sex on them, there are girls having sex then playi g slips whereby they swap partners. Only difference girls are more aggressive. To all the mothers of teen girls make sure you insill some values and respect into your daughters. You teenage sons have these girls on a platter .
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what about teaching your teenage sons about the importance of consent and respecting women. it goes both ways. boys need to learn values and respect aswell!
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the trouble is the girls are the aggressive ones, they consent alright, they are up for everything. The boys just sit back and enjoy a smorgasboard of girls doing various enjoyable activities to them. What young teen would say no to pretty girls putting out. Hardly any I doubt.
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Boys cannot respect girls who give them headjobs at parties, or give sex freely to one boy and then swap partners and next thing there is another girl in the bed. The only girls boys respect, are the ones no partaking in this horrid behaviour. Teach your daughters respect. Boys will follow suit and respect them.
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Boys should be shamed into having sex too. Then they’d be equally to blame if they just gave it away.
In all seriousness, though, boys should be taught to respect women. It should not be okay for them to take advantage of misguided girls who ‘give it away.’ It’s our job to teach our sons.
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I agree but what teenage boy is going to say no to a pretty teenage girl who offers herself on a platter. NOT MANY,,, I am guessing.. Boys will only respect girls who respect themselves. You have to earn respect. Teen girls who slut around, and let me tell you there is plenty of them will never have respect from boys. Teach your daughters to worship her body and not allow boys to treat her like a play thing.
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you shouldnt have to earn respect. your making it sound like it’s okay for the boys to sleep with the girls. why is not okay for girls to sleep with boys.
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as a sixteen year old girl – I can say most girls don’t throw themselves at boys like states above… a lot of the time bullying is involved for many girls and the same for boys. If girls want to have sex though, they should be able to if they want to – just like boys… Mutual consent is all that matters in my opinion.
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Actually I think rainbow is when all the girls are given different coloured lipsticks and the guy at the end of the night with the most colours wins…..
Well that was what I thought, which is still disgusting
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Please explain teenage boys who ask girls to be their f^*k buddy then. I’ve heard a lot of that one. They don’t offer any sort of relationship, just sex. My girl got asked that a few times and mercifully turned it down.
Again, generalising brave anonymous.
I’m sure these party “tricks” happen, but not every girl does this. Just like not every boy pressures girls into sex.
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@ Fabian, not every teen girl participates in this revolting behaviour, but yes plenty do. Teach your daughters to respect their bodies. Teen boys will never ask a girl to be their f buddy if they genuinely like her. Boys never stick around with the girl that dishes out for long. A fun girl not a long term girl. TEACH YOUR GIRLS TO WORSHIP THEMSELVES….
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Girls are NOT the only ones to ‘blame.’ yes, they should be taught to respect themselves and hopefully wait for the right boy to come along…BUT as Faybian so wisely put it, not all boys will pressure girls into sex or take advantage of a girl when she is vulnerable. It is not okay to have sons who do do this.
As for, ‘boys never stick around for the girl that dishes out for long.’ well, if he is just using her for sex, good riddance.
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“…as Faybian so wisely put it, not all boys will pressure girls into sex or take advantage of a girl…”
Did he? I think partly what Faybian is claiming is that men supposedly don’t respect women who don’t respect themselves.
In reality there are some males who don’t respect women regardless. Some men don’t like women – they just pretend to because they want to have sex with them (not you I’m sure Fayban). Then they justify their behaviour by saying “she doesn’t respect herself – so why should I?”
EVERYBODY should be taught to treat others with respect – not just people who supposedly ‘earn’ it.
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I think you’re completely wrong. I’m a 17 year old girl, and while I’ve gone to my share of parties, I can honestly tell you that I’ve never seen or heard of the things you are talking about. These days only a minority of teen girls seem to be more aggressive in my experience – not the majority.
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I concur. Having just turned 18 myself, never in all my teenage years have I witnessed or heard of anything like this “rainbow” business. The majority of girls I know didn’t become sexually active until year 11 or 12. We do know how to “respect ourselves”, most of us do know how and when to say no. I’m sick of being labelled as ignorant, destructive and uncaring because of my youth.
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I’ve been thinking more about this topic today – earlier I was replying mostly to the rape debate stuff – but in terms of whether it is easier to grow up now than in the 70s, I think that the 70s and the present are both hard. It’s always bloody hard to be a teenager and navigate adolescence, society, finding your own identity and being comfortable with it… I believe that there are dark and gritty elements to adolescence in every generation… So I would conclude that neither is easier, but that both are hard in different ways…
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It was so disturbing seeing how the girls allowed themselves to be treated…I just couldn’t understand it. Growing up in the early 90s girls (generally) had a sense of their strength, worth & their ability to be whatever they set their minds to. I fear that this has changed somewhat & girls have relinquished some of their power these days. I hope I am wrong but (in popular culture) I often hear girls referring to ‘marrying rich’ a concept that my friends & I would have really found unacceptable growing up…
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This is why my parents sent me & my sisters to an all girl school in the seventies!
And my parents were very strict & nothing like the parents in this TV series which made it hard to be wild & get up to mischief!
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I read PB when I was around that age & it terrified the crap out of me. Engrossed but disturbed. And no way could I discuss with the folks. Plus I didn’t know what *it* was supposed to be like either.
As an adult I am loving the tv version. What a world they have recreated for us. And the acting by those girls is sublime !
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I’m really enjoying the series so far, even though some of the scenes remind me of just how hard it can be to be a teenage girl.
Last night was certainly tough to watch in parts. In terms of ‘first times’ and doing whatever it took to impress the boys, I’m not sure how much has changed. I get the feeling there are still plenty of young (maybe too young) girls wincing quietly to themselves as they oh so painfully try to fit in – it’s just not in the back of a panel van anymore.
One of the toughest things for me to watch was the little brother being left behind – I was practically yelling at the TV! As someone said below, I had to remind myself it was just a show.
I think the show is beautifully acted and aesthetically, lovely to watch. Looking forward to the rest of the season. (And REALLY looking forward to Offspring coming back!!)
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Slightly off topic but still about Puberty Blues…and talking about the attention to detail. Something my husband picked up is did we have bar codes on products back in those days? I have seen them on a couple of items and also wondered if bar codes had been introduced in Australia yet? Genuinely curious…anyone know?
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Yes, I know. No barcodes. Correct me someone, if I’m wrong but they didn’t start appearing until the early 1990s.
In the 1970s supermarket, groceries had little price stickers. It took about half an hour for a full trolley load to go through the register as the checkout chick (and it always WAS a chick) had to pick up every item and look for the little sticker and then punch in the price.
No EFTPOS either, and no credit cards – it was cash at the checkout or nothing. Thank goodness those days are gone.
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There were no barcodes in the 70s and the checkout girls used to have to memorise the weekly specials. I remember seeing girls on the bus with a list of items and their price to learn before the next morning.
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There were no barcodes in the 70s and the checkout girls used to have to memorise the weekly specials. I remember seeing girls on the bus with a list of items and their price to learn before the next morning.
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There were barcodes on products way before there were bar code scanners at checkouts. The reason I know is that I was a checkout chick in the 80s and I always wondered to myself what the funny black lines that were on all products. I am not sure if they were there in the 70s but they were definitely there in the 80s.
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I, for one, am glad I was a teenager in the mid noughties as opposed to the seventies. The lines of communication between me, my parents, my friends, and everyone else, were much more open than those Debbie and Sue have. Each episode of Puberty Blues never fails to make me shudder at what life must have been like for girls – or at least the fictional Debbie and Sue – back then.
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I don’t think that’s generational, I know plenty of people who have exceptionally poor communication with their parents as teenagers now
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By all means. But at least now there are other sources of information and support, like the internet and feminism.
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At least we didn’t have to have brazilian waxes in the 70′s!
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And the only porn the boys in the 70′s had seen was “Playboy” magazines!
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Don’t forget we don’t HAVE to have them now either!! : )
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When I was in high school I only trimmed, didn’t wax at all and I copped a lot from the other girls (they knew from us getting changed for P.E.). “I can see your spiders legs, ewww” etc, etc. There is a lot of pressure to wax completely and it’s hard to withstand that when you’re a teenager. You don’t HAVE to wax but you better be prepared to be talked about and teased if you don’t.
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As someone who was a teen in the 70s, yes, Puberty Blues pretty much shows what high school was like. I really didn’t have a great time at high school, but the big difference between then and now is that I was able to walk away from the harassment at the end of the day. Once I was home I was safe. These days with social media you are always “available” (for want of a better word). You can’t escape bullying or harassment. The way i was treated at high school made me stronger and have more respect for others. The poor souls these days can never escape the constant attention via Facebook Twitter, etc.
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Regarding the comments about the rape scene (below) – in the book, Freda consented – she actually says ‘I’ll root youse all’ – she sees it as a way to get into the gang. Horrible but that’s how it is in the book.
I was a teen in the 1970s but didn’t hang out with a crowd like this. They certainly existed. I had classmates like Cheryl, Freda, Debbie and Sue and even a dad who used to spray the room (did they have more mosquitoes back then or were dads more paranoid?).
Remember this was a time before the Life Education van, before decent sex-ed in schools, before the Sex Discrimination Act and Equal Opportunity. We may think the boys are acting like apes, but they are only modelling their own father’s behaviour and society’s treatment of women. This series is set only a few years after the Women’s Movement – and boy was there a lag. My dad was a sexist pig (still is in some ways!).
Later in the series, they’ll (hopefully) get onto the gender discrimination in the surf. Girls are noticeably absent from the surfing scenes – back in those days, girls and women didn’t surf. The boys made sure of that. In the book, Debbie chooses to surf, despite the threat of being excommunicated from the gang. Hard to believe in the days of Stephanie Gilmour but this actually happened.
I have a 16 year old son, who I know is not like those boys. He has a girlfriend whom he treats with kindness and respect. Thank goodness the 1970s are long gone.
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I was a teenager in the 90′s and although I am really enjoying puberty blues I do find myself shifting uncomfortably at times as some of the conversations and actions remind me of being a teen. If only we had our wisdom when we were young. Unfortunately wisdom only comes with age and experience
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Everyone needs to remember this isn’t real like, its a TV show! TV shows touch on rape all the time, it is part of life unfortunately. Why get so upset that it’s shown in this show too? The show is fantastic and doesn’t deserve the criticism of some below.
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I didn’t watch last nights episode; what is this ‘fish-finger scene’ ?
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It’s never easy being a teen at any time. Always a new generation with its own new problems…
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Frieda’s predicament is so horrible in a million ways. I can’t get into the ‘was it rape’ debate because this is fiction, and we just don’t know. Maybe the authors of the book do, maybe not. Whatever it was, no girl should be treated like that. The saddest part to me, was the way Debbie and Sue looked at her, worried, then walked away with their boyfriends. To use Bec Sparrow’s term, Frieda had no ‘tribe’ looking out for her.
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Kate, given you are doing these as sponsored posts is it possible for you to talk to some of the young actors? I would be so interested in their opinions on “then” and “now”.
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The fact that the headlights were shining in on Freda is the classic “deer in headlights” she was trapped. Trapped by those boys and also by her feelings of wanting to belong.
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Agreed. It is heartbreaking to see, I think the shot of Frieda looking past the boys to the girls with linked pinkies shows that – she was pretty much alone, and just wanted desperately to fit in…
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Yeah definitely. That’s what I took from it too. The girls have their boyfriends, maybe they shouldn’t be having sex with them, but there were still in ‘relationships’. Poor Freida wanted to fit in so badly and still missed out on the relationship part of it which she wanted.
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As mum of girl toddler that is one of the most terrifying scenes on TV of late to me personally. The helplessness. Are parents with teenagers finding they are the same or more savvy now?
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When I first saw this series being advertised – I was confused. It looked all blue skies, beach days and nostalgia. But I recalled the movie as being really dark and depressing.
Now I read the comments I can see that the series is being true to the movie (and I guess the book) – which makes me have no interest in watching it. I have never been able to get the depressing movie out of my head, 20 years on!
I hope that this being a mainstream tv show will somehow influence teenagers into seeing that this behaviour is a bit gross and old fashioned – although, if you want to fit in, you want to fit in!
I guess I was SOOO lucky in high school (being sarcastic/ironic) in that I was supremely uncool, so there was no chance I COULD be cool, and therefore there was hardly any peer pressure on me.
I wasn’t teased, I was just ignored.
I hope for my kids to be uncool in high school.
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Oh – and the boys aren’t sluts too? After all they have multiple partners?
Oh yes…the old double standard is alive and well. Pathetic.
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Unfortunately that’s how it goes. Girls become sluts, boys studs..
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Yes it is, always has been, always will be
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The sex stuff with the girls was disturbing, especially that vacant dead look in Freida’s eyes as she lay in the back of the van.
Also what about Cheryl leaving her baby brother alone all day? I kept thinking about him and hoping he was ok.
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I interpreted the Frida scene as a gang rape scene.
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No,more a “gang bang” unfortunately.
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Yes! I also struggled with the baby being left alone part! That stayed with me long after I’d finished watching. That AND the Frieda scene…
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I LITERALLY had to say to myself out loud ‘Erin, this show isn’t real life’ to calm down when she left her baby brother behind. So awful!
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‘Was it easier being a teenager in the seventies?’ Kate, to answer your question, from what I saw on last night’s episode of Puberty Blues, my response is, ‘Heck, no!’
Both the girls and the boys seemed to be completely clueless about sex, love and friendship. And the parents seemed to be equally as clueless about marriage and parenting. Dr Phil would have had a field day!
Watching those icky sex scenes, my first times (mid-90s) couldn’t have been more different.
I say times – plural – because I did everything but have sexual intercourse with my first boyfriend (at the age of 16), so I do feel in many ways that he was my first. He was a hopeless romantic (still is – we keep in touch a bit), and everything had to be beautiful, sensual and magical. But I never would have dated anyone who took a less-than-special approach to sex anyway, so it wasn’t just a case of me getting lucky. I made smart choices.
Shortly after we split (on good terms), I started dating my second boyfriend, and we had our first time together… three years later! This was not my choice. It was his. At the time, he was religious and thought he wanted to wait until he was married. In those three years, we split up, remained friends and dated other people, but never went all the way. We had trouble being ‘just friends’, as we were attracted to each other. Eventually (age 19), he realised that waiting until marriage was unrealistic (he only recently got married – age 34 – so he was right about that!), so we decided to have our first time together. It was lovely. We’d fooled around for years, so we were both ready. There was a lot of trust and a strong friendship there. I was surprised at how intense it was, and I was extremely glad I waited to have my first time with someone who truly cared about me.
Since those first times, I’ve gone on to have some great sexual experiences with men. I’ve NEVER slept with anyone for any reason other than because I wanted to. Not to be cool/liked/accepted etc. I’ve always considered my pleasure extremely important, and I seem to end up in bed with generous lovers. Sure, I’ve had a couple of not-so-great experiences, but those guys get the boot so fast their heads spin.
Except for internet porn (grr, don’t get me started!), I think it’s better for kids today. They have access to so much more information – including forums like this one. And it’s easier to find and connect with like-minded people. There’s no excuse for thinking you need to ‘put out’ for your boyfriend in the back of a panel van who has absolutely no respect or consideration for you, your body, your feelings or your sexual needs. In fact, I think young men today don’t want to get a reputation for being lousy in bed. Oh, how the tables have turned!
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This is exactly how it was . I was there. Not all girls were treated this badly. My dad was Ferris to a tea, and I think, because of how he treated my mum I became determined to be treated with respect. I was called slut on a few occasions for saying no. As for Freda, that was not rape, these girls would let guys do anything to them, hoping for some attention. The original Gang Bangers. It was sad then and it is sad now.
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That IS rape and it’s disgusting you’d think otherwise.
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Crap it was not rape, she was just trying to fit in
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Anon, I think it’s appalling but I don’t think it’s rape.
If it’s consensual and she isn’t being threatened, forced or intimidated into sex … then I don’t think it’s rape.
But it is APPALLING and deeply tragic.
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this is definitely NOT rape. I have gone to parties in the 80′s, when I was a teenager, and there were always 1 or 2 girls who would have sex with anyone who wanted to have sex. again and again and again. They wouldn’t come out of the bedroom, not because they couldn’t , they didn’t want to.
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How do we even know that Frida consented and wasn’t threatened or intimidated into it, though? I think it was a grey scene and can be interpreted as consenual or not. I personally saw it as gang rape, the complete dissociation, the way she looked trapped, and the scene earlier in the episode with the boys intimidating her at the locker and her giggling nervously all made me feel that way.
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You know what? I agree.
I just went back and watched it. We don’t know.
It’s unclear.
Whatever happened lets all just agree it was just bloody awful.
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Yes, I agree with that point Bec.
I’m not sure how much more of the show I can take, to be honest. It makes me feel nauseated sometimes. But I find Ashleigh Cummings in particular really compelling to watch. And I want to see the girls hopefully break out of the gang and do their own thing… It would be depressing to leave the story now with where they are at the moment…
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‘Whatever happened lets all just agree it was just bloody awful.’ Yes!
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I think it’s tricky though, thinking about the book scene, Frieda was pretty much coerced into the group sex, that was the only way she was allowed to be around the cool guys.
Imagine in that time saying no? She would have been bullied, called frigid and even more ostracised at school, and isolated outside of school.
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I like to think this is one of the advances girls have now, I was a teen in the mid nineties, my oldest niece in the noughties.
It broke my heart to see the Frieda scene, because I felt strong enough to be able to say no to situations that made me uncomfortable, without the worry about my reputation..
I hope most girls these days feel that way
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It was NOT rape.
She consented to letting all the boys sleep with her so she could hang out with them. If anything it was prostitution, selling her body in exchange for company, being cool etc,
It was NOT rape. SHE CONSENTED.
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You seem pretty sure that she consented. Can you please point out where exactly in the episode she consented? I feel like I missed a scene.
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Did you hear her cry out, or was she just lying back waiting for them to take turns.. Rape means No. We just saw this girl lie back and wait for the next one to enter her.
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I feel as though she consented because she looked Debbie and Sue in the eye as they passed by, she chose to lay there motionless and she zeroed in on the girls linking pinky-fingers – as if to suggest that the reason why she was consciously doing this was so that she’d have a shot at being accepted into the ‘cool’ group and having a friendship like that.
I agree with Bec that it was totally depressing, barely consensual, and the boys were complete grubs but, sadly, she knew what she was doing – and, therefore, it was not rape.
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It’s interesting you saw it that way – I personally saw that part of the scene as Frida trapped in the back with the two guys at the end, and when she was blankly staring off into the distance I thought that she was dissociating from what was going on.
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can you point out where she was forced?
I think it’s a grey area….but stll absolutely awful
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I already said above I think it’s a grey area and that it can be interpreted either way. I think that she was intimidated into doing it, but that’s just me. I felt that she was completely dissociating in the van – a classic rape victim survival tactic, she looked trapped to me, and I felt she was being intimidated by those boys earlier in the episode. Those are the things that make me think she was intimidated, manipulated, and yes, I would even call it gang rape. But that is just me. I’m curious how people are absolutely, definitely, positively assured that she 100% consented and that there is no grey area.
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It always annoys me when people label things “rape” that aren’t (or in this case, are ambiguous). Things can be varying degrees of unpleasant / distasteful / disgusting / abhorrent. If you throw around the R word every time you see something you don’t like, it both cheapens the word and is dismissive of the trauma that victims of serious (sometimes ongoing and/or violent) sexual abuse suffer. Please keep a sense of perspective. The scene was disturbing, but the audience – along with the characters – isn’t aware of all the details and we haven’t (yet) seen the repercussions for the characters involved.
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She looked drugged to me.
I agree with Bec though that no matter what happened it was horrible
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I accidentally left the 58 off the first post. Anon, the reason I don’t think it was rape was that these girls would keep coming back to the same guys again & again. They would even brag about it. Is it disgusting? Yeah, but that’s just how it was then.
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It says in the book that while she was manipulated by the boys she would keep letting them do it. She was not raped, just extremely misguidedly foolish and the boys were turds.
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i can’t see how times have changed that much. i have heard that even in Australia women finally got more rights, but the peer pressure on girls (and boys!) today seems enormous – just look how they behave, not only on schoolies night, it’s kind of every weekend! drugs, binge drinking, sex, rioting teens .. oh, yeah they all take DECISIONS today ?
the truth is parents today care even less than those in the 70s. to busy with party themselves.
puberty blues is a GREAT series, but it’s really really sad to watch.
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I feel really sad that your experiences make you think parents care ever less than back then and are too busy partying themselves.
This is so far from my experience its not funny
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yeah, see it’s not my own or me as a parent. but if you go in ANY big city in the western world and you see the amount of VERY young, VERY drunk kids partying and getting into ALL kinds of trouble … yes, you wonder, if the parents really care what they are up to.
that might be sounding like a bigot old-fashioned view, but yes, I think kids need example, guidelines, curfews and rules. =)
if the free range method works for you, that ‘s great. but our societies all seem to struggle.. a little?
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I have very strict conservative parents, and I think that only pushed me further – it made me want to push the boundaries and rebel. Don’t blame it on the parents, I know from personal experience that kids will do whatever they want, regardless of the way they were brought up
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It was commonly known as a gang bang in the 70′s. I’m sure it still happens today – think of footballers on their boys weekends away.
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It certainly does Suz.
There was a tale from the last footy weekend our local club went on that involved a van in a field and at least 8 guys having turns with 2 girls who just laid in that van all night servicing one man after another.
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Ugh. Yuck!
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Ive heard similar stories too, frequently involving sporting teams…..
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I have two young girls – found the episdoe terrifying, upsetting and thought provoking. When I was growing up, a boyfriend had a ute and Mum said if he didn’t come to the door I wasn’t going out with him. He did come to the door (rural boy, sent off to posh boarding school in Sydney so knew his manners but dumped me because I wouldn’t “put out”).
When Mrs Vickers was sitting up in bed waiting for Debbie to come home I told my husband that that’s who I was going to be… he quietly informed me our 13 year old won’t be going out at night! Fish fingers… cringe… vaseline jar almost empty… cringe… used condom beside “bed”… cringe…
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Im absolutely loving this show! But at the same time I am FREAKING OUT. I do know what it feels like to want to be cool, I was there. I was also the daughter of a very good and wholesome family. I was sitting there thinking last night, geez I hope we have at least come along a bit further to know that sex is NOT about lying and there and just taking it like that, and that it’s ok to say no. And that if a bloke sends his mate to say ‘Your dumped’ because you didn’t “do it”, then you are better off without him. Geez, being a parent is scary. I guess we can just do our best, let them learn those lesson that make you feel like shit and just hope they’ll be ok when they come out the other end. But like a PP said, it’s about communication and knowing when to draw the line at giving too much information.
Great show though, has started some fab conversations in my circle of family and friends!
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just FYI for the mamamia team – the constant refreshing of the Madagascar ad affects the ability to leave a comment – my screen is freezing every 10 seconds or so, stopping my typing coming up….it’s VERY annoying.
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Do what I do, type it in Word and then copy/paste. Also good if your comment gets lost.
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yeah, I know, just thought it worthwhile to give a heads up…it’s also affecting navigating too…just particularly annoying when commenting
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use an ad blocker!!
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I need some advice — i am watching this with my 16 year old daughter who has a slightly older boyfriend. Last night’s show was confonting for both of us but it got me thinking about her situation.
I know they are having sex. She told me they were going to so she is on the pill, and i buy condoms so she is never without protection. He is a nice boy and happy to be at our home. My problem is that while we has talked about the basics of sex and what an emotional investment it is it is very hard to talk to her about pleasure and enjoyment and discovery. She has told me that he put no pressure on her and they have been together for a year and are a good match but I don’t know how to discuss the finer points of sex and pleasure in way that won’t freak us both out. Watching the show has given us quite a few points to discuss in an abstract way but I was just wondering how other mums have handled this.
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I don’t know how specific you need to get. If he’s a good guy then he’s probably invested in her pleasure as well as his own. Part of the fun on having sex for the first few times is figuring out what you like and what you don’t, and sharing those things with your partner. I’m not sure if you need someone telling you that it’s really nice when the guy goes slow / is gentle / uses his tongue like this / does this with his hands. It’s maybe a conversation best had with friends. If you’ve covered the physical and emotional basics, are sure that there is mutual respect between the two, you can probably leave the finer points up to them and be relatively secure that your daughter is confident enough to say, ‘I don’t like that,’ or ‘Can you do it like this?’ or ‘Can we try it this way?’
Having said that, I do not have a daughter of any age, so may be completely wrong here! Interested to hear what others say.
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Very good questions! Am interested to see people’s responses!
When you mentioned enjoyment, it comes to my mind that one of the best things about a good sexual relationship is when you can have a laugh with your partner about or during sex sometimes, just like you can about anything else in your relationship. Laughter and fun about almost anything, can be such an equaliser and even though people can have a laugh about stuff with just about anyone, there’s nothing like sharing laughs and fun with the person you are closest to.
Still, chatting about that with your 16 daughter might not be so easy!
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really appreciate your comment zepgirl – and i will leave the finer details up to them and save us both some embarrassment. Mind you I might have put her off the idea of sex altogether after saying a lot of the things happening on PB last night happened to me and my friends (although we were older than 13). the look on her face was priceless!
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Its not easy. While my son doesn’t talk about the finer points of sex, he has shared enough to make my slightly old fashioned soul wince. My daughter has been even more frank and has asked technical questions (gaaaarh). I guess this is the flip side of having good communication with your kids
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I think it’s so awesome that your kids can talk to you about sex. I would have loved to have that sort of open communication with my parents!
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Perhaps do as Cordeline, below, suggests – offer the opinion that there should be laughter, and fun, during sex. I think that thought conveys that if there’s fun and joy involved, the pleasure and discovery etc., will follow.
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I learnt a lot from reading Cosmo. If you want to put the idea into her head that she should be enjoying it then look out for headlines that relate to what you want to tell her on the covers and buy them for her. You can be pretty sure she’ll at least flick through
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I think as long as she is happy and comfortable, and he treats her with respect and doesn’t hurt her, that should be enough. I think that, especially for girls, sex doesn’t improve until you mature emotionally.
And if he makes her feel comfortable with her body and under no pressure, then that will happen naturally. I personally worry about Cosmo when it comes to things like this – I didn’t orgasm until my mid 20′s, and Cosmo made me feel like I must be doing something wrong.
I found the girls I went to school with needed to be educated more on the emotional side – while it wasn’t something to be given away freely, I saw a lot of devastated girls who mistook sex with enduring love and commitment, and could not understand when their boyfriends broke up with them (as they sometimes do).
When my niece came to me at 18 and asked me, I told her it should preferably be something special with someone you love and have known for a little while (ie not the first thing you do with someone new), it doesn’t automatically mean a wedding and happy ever after. And it doesn’t mean you did it ‘wrong’ if they become a jerk.
For the record, I am not judging one night stands, I just didn’t think I should encourage someone to start their sex life that way. I think you have to be comfortable and confident within yourself before you consider it – if you are going to hate yourself afterwards, you’re doing it wrong…
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I’m LOVING this series. I can certainly relate to SOME of the issues, but also found myself horrified at Deb and Sue’s first sexual encounter – those boys there so uncool! No kissing, no touching, no foreplay – it was all about the boys pleasure! I’d like to think we have come along way in that department – I grew up in the 80′s and have a daughter who will be growing up after 2015. So I’ll be laying down some respectful rules now about herself, others and our relationship. Looking back now I loved my teenage years and all those pressures were what made me who I am today – a loving, caring mum and wife who respects others…. Fingers crossed for the next lot!
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I fricking love this show. Honestly, it’s so good. Both girls are just brilliant in their roles and I honestly think it’s the best Australian show I’ve watched in a really long time.
Loving it. Of course it’s uncomfortable viewing at some points, but that’s the message isn’t it? That growing up is bloody uncomfortable!
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Regarding the beach sex scene in last weeks episode and the girl in the panel van at the end of this episode, I’ve noticed people referring to these scenes as rape. Was it really?
I believe these girls were being portrayed as girls who wanted to be accepted by their peers so badly that they just lied back for the boys to do what they wanted, even though it was not enjoyable for them. Neither of them were resisting. These scenes are supposed to represent just how passive some girls were at that time.
Heartbreaking yes, but rape? Don’t think so.
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HI Tiffany
It’s hard to tell, isn’t it? I’m with you and think that no it wasn’t rape but a demonstration of how in those scenes the girls allowed themselves to be used for sex by the boys.
However if that girl at the end was drunk and unable to properly give her consent, then yes it would have been.
I don’t think we can know for sure.
Either way the whole thing was gut-wrenching and so bloody awful to watch these girls letting themselves be used by the boys. As though they had no right to demand great sex for themselves in return.
It’s like the think they are supposed to be sexual slaves.
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Hi Tiffany. I posted last week saying the beach scene kept me awake, reminding me of my first time which was a date rape experience. I didn’t mean that I necessarily thought the beach scene WAS rape, however the tactics that the guy used in pinning her hands up above her head and using his weight and strength to hold her in place were very reminiscent of my experience. Yes, I was vocalising “no, I don’t want to” at the same time, but I didn’t yell at him and while I was trying to squirm away, I wasn’t fighting like a hell cat. He just kept cooing “yes, you do .. it’s OK .. relax .. it’ll be fine”. And honestly, it wasn’t until years later that I recognised it as date rape .. I’d always just put it down to him pushing me a bit further than I wanted to go, but I wasn’t effective at stopping him .. so the fault lay more on my side.
You raise an interesting question though. Is it still rape if the guy would (honestly) assess the situation as, “I knew she didn’t want to, but she didn’t say I couldn’t”? Does the girl have to vocalise “no”? Or should clear body language be enough? Such a murky area.
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Yes it is such a murky area. I hope the boundaries are more clear now, compared to how it was in the 70’s.
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It makes me sad, because this is part of our culture, the perpetrator putting pressure on another person is not condemned enough, and blame is placed on the victim for not ‘doing more to stop it’.
I obviously don’t know your history, but if you were fairly inexperienced up to that point, you were possibly not confident to vocalise your feelings stronger..
Susannah if you said ‘no, I don’t want to’, or even ‘I don’t really feel like it’ that should be enough.
That should have been enough if you didn’t feel comfortable. The fact that you didn’t protest stronger does not make it your fault AT ALL in my book.
The fact is this guy heard no, and dismissed it. You don’t have to be screaming and scratching for it to be rape. Unfortunately, this guy would not think it was rape either, because he cooed and coerced you to do something he wanted but you were clearly unsure about, yet finally capitulated to.
I just think guys also need to be educated in what signs to look for if a girl isn’t happy or seems uncomfortable so they can properly respect them,
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I barely breathed through most of last nights episodes – from the horror of remembering my own experiences which were identical to most of the girls (even the fish fingers and I still cringe with shame 30 years later) and from terror that my young girls and/or their friends may face the same in their future. I just hope my son treats girls with more respect and my girls think more of themselves to give themselves up for such poor treatment.
Whilst I did all that the girls did to fit in or to feel a part of the gang, I ended up getting a bad reputation which all resulted in me hating myself and my body for it. I am now married to a fabulously loving partner however last night’s show threw me back into the 1980′s that Id tried to forget. Very confronting.
Even though the thought of my kids having sex with anyone horrifies me, I just hope its with partners who are kind, equal, respectful, fun, who like to explore their bodies together and who make my kids hearts shine.
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Also, how screwed up are the relationships of the parents? That guy (sorry, don’t know characters names yet) who is having an affair and his wife is the very quiet character… he is awful. Last night when he made his son drive over his surfboard. What a prick of a father.
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I hope girls now at least expect foreplay before sex, and to be treated with more respect.
No wonder Bruce didn’t “fit”. Foreplay works a lot better than vasoline!! Or better yet, girls should wait until they are older and have sex with someone who is not going to mistakenly put it in the wrong hole!!
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I’m glad to know that I’m not the only one who found last nights episode hard to watch! My husband was also horrified, really affected him.
Anyway, the last scene with the girl in the back of panel van being raped. God, I couldn’t get that vision out of my head last night. What she lying there just terrified, or was she drugged/drunk as well? I wanted to drag her out of that van, how horrible.
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I don’t know Cordeline.
My assumption was that it wasn’t rape but that these girls were tragically allowing these boys to use them for sex.
However in the FIRST episode, where we saw a girl screaming and protesting while her boyfriend carried her away … well that definitely looked like it was indicating a sexual assault/rape was about to take place.
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I had similar thoughts Bec… because even the other girls (Debbie and Sue) were just allowing the guys to use them for sex, they clearly didn’t want to be doing it.
Even the sex scene last week on the beach, that girl didn’t look happy about what was happening, but she wasn’t calling out for help either.
I’m stressing out about my daugthers!
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Daughters… Edit button – come back!
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So am I!!! It makes me feel sick.
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Maybe she didn’t feel like she could call out, or that he would hurt her if she did…
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I don’t think it was “rape” more than “attention from the boys”. In an earlier scene Freda was at the lockers and two boys were making lewd gestures and comments to her. I think, to her, that symbolized their interest in her. Desperate to have male attention, she misread the situation and jumped at the chance to cement her relationship with the boys. I think in her own way, although she didn’t enjoy it, she wanted it to happen.
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Considering that in the book most of the Greenhills gang, including Garry and Cheryl, end up ‘scagged out on heroin’, I predict drugs will feature more as the show continues. Hopefully the creators don’t stay too faithful to the book in that regard though, I love Garry! (And, just quietly, yes, Rodger Corser’s character is AWFUL!)
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I’ve got to ask – what did Dad spray in the room?
I can’t help but notice the girls seem to wear a lot more clothing in the 70s than I did, or my 18yo sister does today…
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I was wondering the same thing….Mozzie spray?
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I was wondering the same and decided it was something like Aeroguard…
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yup mozzie spray – my dad used to do thread same thing in the 70s, except he had one of those long cans that you had to pump up first room get a continuous spray happening…anyone else remember those? what a flashback seeing that again! must have been such a ‘thing’ of the times
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Yes it was mozzie spray – and what memories it brought back for me. My dad used to do exactly the same every night, and we hid under the bedclothes. This series is brilliant for its attention to detail. It’s hugely confronting but I’m really enjoying it.
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Bit of the old David Gray’s Scram – left an oily coating if it was on you!
God knows, the poisons!
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I’m 17 and watching Puberty Blues horrified! (Hopefully) no-one I know today would watch Frieda being raped and do nothing about it. No one I know would just lie there being used because it was the cool thing to do. My friends and I drink, take drugs and have sex but we do it in a way where we retain our dignity and self respect and are in control of the situation. Boys respect us for having opinions. That said, I am jealous of how simple and relaxed everything used to be
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And I felt exactly the same at thirteen
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What is ‘simple and relaxed’ about it?
Drink driving, routine gang bangs, girls suffering through their first sexual experience, mysoginist boys, everyone smoking like chimneys? Simple and relaxed?? How?
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I don’t usually comment on spelling but I know you are a teacher so you wont mind me correcting you. It is misogynist
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Oh yes I know I posted in haste and when I read it back – comments were unable to be edited so I couldn’t correct myself – so thanks! Nice to know people remember me and can spell!
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Like I said Kathy, those aspects horrify me.
What I’m referring to is the general pace of life. Today for me I feel is all about consume, compete, connect twenty four hours a day and a lot of that pressure coming from school. There’s this expectation that at 17 you have all the direction and maturity and considered opinions of an adult. It feels like there is no leeway to be naive or uncultured as a teenager anymore. I can’t remember the last weekend I spent relaxing on a beach… there’s too much I have to do!!
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Like I said Kathy, those aspects horrify me.
What I’m referring to is the general pace of life. Today for me I feel is all about consume, compete, connect twenty four hours a day and a lot of that pressure coming from school. There’s this expectation that at 17 you have all the direction and maturity and considered opinions of an adult. It feels like there is no leeway to be naive or uncultured as a teenager anymore. I can’t remember the weekend I spent relaxing on a beach… there’s too much I have to do!!
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I think the issues are the same as they were back then but on a larger more complicated scale.
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I’m not sure much has changed – props are perhaps just different. Although young girls now generally seem more knowledgeable about sex, if still somewhat deluded about their exploitation. Life in the 70′s did seem freer though – what strikes me most about the series is how well they’ve captured the sense of ease in general at the time. Not the overwhelming sense of sense of doom, fear and over-regulation we live with now. A certain lightness of being that’s hard to describe to my kids….had to be there I guess.
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