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Congratulations to Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban who surprised the world with their announcement today that they have welcomed a new daughter, Faith Margaret, on December 28th via a “gestational carrier” which is a new and different way of saying ”surrogate”.
In a statement, they said:
“Our family is truly blessed, and just so thankful, to have been given the gift of baby Faith Margaret.”
“No words can adequately convey the incredible gratitude that we feel for everyone who was so supportive throughout this process, in particular our gestational carrier.”
SJP and husband, Matthew Broderick with surrogate twins, Tabitha and Marion.
There were no hints given during Nicole’s appearance at the Golden Globes yesterday, even though their new daughter is now 3 weeks old. We’re going to be doing a post shortly that looks more closely into the options of surrogacy and egg donation. They are choices that seem to be gaining popularity with couples battling infertility – and not just famous ones like Nicole & Keith and Sarah Jessica Parker and husband Matthew Broderick who welcomed twin girls the same way last year.
It’s a beautiful day when a baby is born and having struggled to fall pregnant myself as Nicole obviously has, I wish them and their new daughter all the happiness in the world.
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I don’t have any issues with her using a surrogate. It is something that is available to any woman experiencing fertility problems (albeit for the right $$) so why are we getting up in arms about it?
Sarah Jessica Parker did it and not even a muffle of criticism.
Let’s remember at the heart of this is a man and a woman that just wanted to add to their family. What a crime!!
I think also the comments about her not wanting to ruin her body or career are absolute crap. I’m sure after this many years in the biz and so many millions in the bank she would be able to have a second pregnancy without fear of being shunned by Hollywood!!
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Some of the judgmental in-your-face venom on here is so anti-Mamamia. This site is usually so full of warmth & compassion that I was a little taken aback by it all. That being said – here’s my two cents worth – when children are welcomed into the world by parents who love them & want them, then the future of this planet is that little bit brighter (& yes, I believe this is true no matter how these children came to be here).
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in September 2006 The catholic news commented on Nicole Kidman return to the church and her very high profile homecoming marriage with Jesuit Father Paul Coleman conducting the service.
Following is the church position on this and i quote
Let us again try to uncover the core of the teaching. The Catholic tradition sees marriage as both divinely instituted but also the most humanly compelling context for sexual expression. Love puts down stakes. Love reaches into the future. I do not truly love without truly committing my life and my future to my spouse’s life and future. The fullest expression of love between man and woman finds its home in marriage, therefore. It is but a short step from here to the conclusion that marriage is the most ethically appropriate place in which to have and raise children: if (from above) one of the purposes of a marital sexual relationship is procreation, and procreation produces something that’s permanent (a child), then the child is most appropriately received in a context which is itself permanent (marriage).
There is a more symbolic way in which to render this point. Donum Vitae calls children “the supreme gift” of a marriage. For this reason, no one can have a “right” to a child, just as no one can have a “right” to a gift. Things we have rights to are by this very fact no longer truly gifts. Gifts are simply things to which we don’t have rights. Reproductive technologies which seek to ‘take’ a child apart from sexual intercourse do not treat a child as what he or she truly is. Moreover, recognition of children as gifts underscores the most proper context for receiving that gift. According to the Church, a child is not only “the most gratuitous gift of marriage,” but is also “a living testimony of the mutual giving of his parents.” Sexual intercourse is the mutual giving of partner to partner. And the idea is that the most proper way to conceive a child, who is a gift from God, is from within a context which is itself a giving one. For this reason, the Church speaks of the child’s right “to be the fruit of the specific act of the conjugal love of his parents.” The very nature of a surrogacy arrangement rules such out.
This applies not only to surrogacy arrangements in which the surrogate isthe genetic mother of the child, but also to so-called “gestational surrogacy,” in which the surrogate carries a child not genetically related to,her. The mutual giving expressed by what the Church calls “the language of the bodies” morally requires that the child not only be conceived through sex between its biological father and mother, but also carried and gestated by its genetic mother. Thus, Donum Vitae speaks of “the right of the child to be conceived, carried in the womb, brought into the world and brought up by his own parents.”
I am only quoting this for comment and again I throw it open as it does send a very mixed message.
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I’m confused – your statement “I am only quoting this for comment” – does that mean you agree with surrogacy or you don’t?
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I personally have an issue with the payment of money for this service and totally agree with the state governments bringing in a fine if money is involved. Its very hard to argue a point here if money was never exchanged.
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What is it with the current generations that perceive childbearing as a god-given right, one that must be achieved no matter what obstacles? The focus in this debate should be the child, not the parents who surrogate out the womb, buy some donor sperm or eggs, yet still maintain it is ‘their baby’. Are you crackers? Elton John and his boyfriend are no more fathers of that child that you and I are. Well, maybe one is, if so, why has he handed him off to nannies? It’s a sick manipulation of technology and the mothering instinct, which, by the way, seems to have been forgotten here.
Nicole and Keith? OK, personal preference whether you’d want your child ‘gestated’, born from another woman’s womb. Yet, does this sound normal to you? I mentioned earlier ‘baby farms’, isn’t this just a step away?
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Ohwell I think it is safe to say that neither Keith and Nicole, or Elton John will ever care about your or anyone elses opinion.
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you seem to be very intent on shoving your opinion here again and again dude.
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This is beyond belief.
Why do you have to keep repeating yourself?
We are all entitled to an opinion, but we’ve already heard yours. And frankly, a fair few people think it sucks.
Are you just trolling? That would explain a lot.
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Oh goody, gig is back on his high horse again. We already heard your opinion gig. A baby doesn’t always come into the world in a way you obviously think is the only way. Loving parents will always win in my book. Get over it.
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Not again Gig.
http://www.mamamia.com.au/weblog/2010/12/10-things-you-need-to-understand-about-asylum-seekers.html/comment-page-2#comments
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Pregnancy was horrible for me. If I had the chance to get someone else to do it, and still have the baby be genetically mine and my husband’s, I’d be seriously tempted!
Is that SO bad?!
Just being honest!
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Wow, I am gutted by the lack of compassion, empathy and understanding that we as Australians are apparently renowned for! This is not a story about the ethics of surragocy, which has been common practice throughout the world, we do not need to wonder about the feelings of the surrogate who I can almost certainly guarantee was not forced into carrying this child rather made the choice to provide this service to women long before she was approached by keith and Nicole, because if they already have children they would know that being a parent is in essence the most amazing, challenging and fulfilling experience this life has to offer and wants to help other couples in achieving it. If Nicole was your friend, your sister or your brother would you be so quick to pass such cruel criticism? Also who do we think we are that we have a right to even pass comment/ judgement?! Sadly social media and the life of celebrity has enable society to feel like our everyday ramblings are somehow important . Regardless of whether you love her, or hate her,the act of bring a child into the world is cause for celebration regardless of how it has been done. And to sound cliche a wise person once said that if you have nothing nice to sayy then don’t say isay anything because quite frankly no one wants to hear it.
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Liz, I’m not thinking of the surrogate mother. I’m thinking of the child. Leaving ‘mother’ out of the sentence somehow demeans the other woman’s role in this vanity birth. As Miranda Devine said today in her column, ‘To have carried a baby in your womb, shared a blood supply, felt its little feet kick against your abdomen, heard its little heart beat next to yours and then to have given birth to a living human child you have been longing to cuddle is not a trivial act.’
Imagine in ten years, ‘well, Mummy made me with the help of another woman, so she could continue her career and not waste her figure, so I’m really half hers, and half hers, but I don’t know which.’
Which really doesn’t matter now, seeing as how most of you lot have decided that a baby on demand is far more important than an ethical approach to the matter.
At the moment it’s only an option for the rich, but eventually you’ll be able to claim it on Medicare, along with those abortions you had earlier, because it wasn’t convenient at the time.
From your cocoon of self gratification, you seem to forget that a child’s life is in the balance. It’s not a ‘turn the tap on, turn it off’, when it suits you. It’s a miracle of life, of existence, not a vanity purchase you consider when you’ve bought the rest of the stuff that fills your life.
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Maybe she couldn’t carry another child- she getting on a bit afterall. Maybe she couldn’t give a damn about her career and just wanted a child. Nothing wrong with that.
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amandarose, ‘Maybe she couldn’t carry another child- she getting on a bit afterall. Maybe she couldn’t give a damn about her career and just wanted a child. Nothing wrong with that’.
Maybe she should admit she is too old to bear a child, accept life as it is, and not bring a bi-mother child into the world. At 40-something I’d expect a more mature attitude from her to this issue, rather than the ‘me,me,me’ ‘I want another baby’ attitude she has shown.
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Actually it was a bit more than just her age. Still, we shouldn’t let facts get in the way of sticking the knife in, should we.
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I agree with Liz, you are we to judge & criticise! We don’t know about their reasons or problems! I agree that to have a child is the biggest miracle on earth, but unfortunately for many women is not possible! I have many friends that cannot have kids, have been though so many IVFs (unsuccessful most of the time) which is very traumatic experience!! So, lets not judge people that are financially & emotionally capable of having & supporting kids, but just can’t!!
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Maybe this was the only way they felt they could acheive that miracle? Who are we to speculate that this was due to vanity?
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um she tried IVF and it did not work. So the woman should be hung out to dry because she dare have the resources to get a surrogate? Clearly she does not have an issue with carrying a child- she already did it- AND got her figure and career back- I’m sure given the choice she would have done it all over again. But hey she’s famous. Of course its all about vanity.
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As always, I do pull back a bit in the face of criticism, or rather, differing opinions. However, I don’t necessarily change my opinion. Granted, my view isn’t personal, most of yours are. For that I apologise for being so heavy handed. Individually, I now understand that it’s a big deal, even though I’ve known many women who have lived through this, dealt with it, and realised their lives don’t revolve around their ability to make a baby.
Individually, IVF, of course; a surrogate, I’d say in extenuating circumstances, much like adoption is/was. Who gets to decide? I’d say the mother involved. However with advances in technology come responsibilities. Do we expect an individual desiring a child to be the best judge of that? So far, yes. But picture this…
We now have the technology to delay birth on a whim, ie morning after pill, or as part of a plan, ie the Pill, and now along comes a way to extend a woman’s childbearing years. Again, no problem, but here our control over nature becomes tenuous. The older a woman is, the less able she is to bear a child. And then thankfully technology comes to our aid, and lo and behold, someone else can have the baby for her!
This surely is the breakthrough of the century. No more morning sickness, no more labour, no more mucked up career, just plain sailing until the birth day. Pay the gestational receptacle the money, and here’s your baby brother kids, or baby sister, depending on what you clicked on the website.
Cruel appraisal? Yes. Improbable? No.
This technology is amazing, and life-changing for some people, but as we’ve already seen, it’s viewed as acceptable behaviour that Elton John, 64, can order a baby, probably a son, and then have so little to do with the child that the nannies are housed elsewhere on his estate to care for the days’ old child.
This to me is a manipulation of technology over common sense and shows a strong disregard for the child’s emotional wellbeing. At the moment only those with medical reasons or money can access these services. Flopsy Floozil in Rooty Hill will still have her babies the natural way, or not at all, much like our parents and grandparents did.
I suppose in your lifetimes, you won’t see it, but how far away are baby farms? The rich and vacuous able to place an order on a whim? While you now approve of these methods, because of personal need, I see it as a minefield of complications.
Brave New World, by Huxley, portrayed a world where children were no longer born to biological mothers. It was far-fetched in its day, but everyday we come closer to that reality.
My last word is, why do we think it’s natural, a good thing, to further extend the child-bearing age of a woman? Nicole is forty four, isn’t enough enough? The older both ova and sperm are, the higher the risk of deformities. Maybe we can engineer conception, gestation and birth, but with all this engineering, a mother is no longer a natural mother.
Is that what you want?
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Traditional surrogacy’s been going on for years. Think the bible, gay men, islander communities still do it. People know that the birth mother is just going to hand over the child as soon as she leaves the hospital. The only new technology is the gestational carrier, using the biological mother’s egg.
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Mary, the first high profile surrogate.
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and Gesu the first real communist leader ,
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This is the time at the dinner party where the host has thrown you out onto the street and everyone inside is busy deleting your number from their contact lists.
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oh gig……you’re making so many assumptions based on nothing. you make judgements on elton john not being involved with his child as if you lived right there with them. everyone is entitled to their own opinion but please stop, it’s not making it any better and the dinner party guests are not amused.
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Carolyn, I remember when Mamamia was a little wine bar down on the corner where you could shoot the breeze with a variety of people; I wasn’t aware that it had become a hoity-toity dinner party where dissenting views are unacceptable.
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I don’t completely agree with gig, but I think that what he has to say really is worth thinking about as he does raise some good points.
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Like Me I don’t agree with everything you’ve written Gig but there’s definitely some food for thought in this post.
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WOW! What a circle of friends you have. You know Nicole and Keith and Elton and David so well you know everything about their parenting and why Nic went this way.
I don’t agree with you at all. I think Nic and Keith at 43, with widely reported fertility issues did what was right for them. They have the money to do it, and 43 isn’t all that old.
I’d be more worried about Doctors allowing 60-70 year olds in India and the UK to have babies in the last few years than Elton or Nicole using a surrogate to have a child.
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Agree. At least they wanted the child, will love it and can afford it. It’s not another accidental welfare recipient.
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Unless you have been through the rigours of IVF- which you so blithely dismiss as “ordering” a baby – I dont think you have the right to dismiss a lot of couples struggle to be parents.
It must be nice to sit on the other side where the grass is greener.
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Hi Mia
There is a difference between a traditional surrogate and a gestational carrier. A TS uses their own egg for the surrogacy. A GC uses an embyro creatred by other people, often the intended parents and sometimes with the help of egg or sperm donors. The correct terminology is actually gestational carrier it is just not widely understood or used.
Please use your media profile to advocate for laws in Australia to change so more couples can benefit more widely from surrogacy and adoption – these options should be available to as many people as possible but here in Australia we have outdated and backward legislation that prevents couples and singles from realising their dream of parenting.
Thanks in anticipation.
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very!! dissapointed in beth you and keith!!!! bear your own children…it is anamazing ecxperience…i lost all the weight…so you could have done so also!!!! lost alot of repect for both of you due to this insane !!!!concept of procreation!!!!!
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Are you serious?
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They’re both 43 years old!! And also in her defence, she carried their last child herself — if she was so worried about her figure, that would not have happened! GRR!!
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when did she say anything about not wanting to hurt her figure? What she has said is that they tired naturally after Sunday and it didn’t work, they tried IVF and that didn’t work so their doctor recommended them looking into surrogacy. You are making up the rubbish abut her being concerned about her figure. Get over yourself.
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The first anonymous (not the one you’re replying to) said ‘I lost all the weight, so you (ie Nicole) could have done also’. I think this is what anonymous (the one you are replying to) is referring to. That’s all.
Unless you’re telling the first anonymous to get over herself, and clicked ‘reply’ to the second accidentally?
It does get confusing when there are so many Anons around, so I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt here, rather than thinking you (and all the likers!) just didn’t read the post properly.
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Keith and Nicole are very disappointed in you not even having the guts to put a name to your ridiculous assertions.
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another person hiding being anonymous and leaving cruel comments…how unusual…
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Could you not have taken some time during your childbearing to learn grammar and spelling?
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Yes, are you for real!!!
Doesn’t occur to you that maybe they can’t have kids! Wow, people! So much judgment, so little compassion!!
I’m sorry I even read this post! Aren’t there more ipmortant issues out there, but Nicole & Keith’s privatr life?
Who are we to pass judgment here, people!! What have Nicole & Keith done to you to make you so “dissapointed”?! You don’t even know them!!
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Would you say this to an adoptive couple? An ivf couple? Have you ever experienced the devastation of infertility? Then who are you to judge? It’s really none of your business what they choose
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Hi Mia
Just a short note , what would happen if the baby is born severely handicapped and disabled , who is responsible and does the surrogate or donor then euthanasia the child as it does not fit in with their lifestyle and can a government enforce this. Its sounds far fetched but if the laws are in place can anyone stop it.
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There is a legal contract in place that ensures the intended parents take full responsibility for the child irrespective of its health following the birth. The child is protected by the same laws that protect all children – thank goodness there is no mandate to eunthanise children with disabilities.
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I am curious for some other issues
After a baby is turned over, does the surrogate retain any rights?
Can they demand to see the baby?
Can the baby, after growing up, demand to know who the surrogate was?
If the adopting family dies, is the surrogate financially responsible?
What does the birth certificate record?
Can the child contract any genetic makeup of the surrogate mother?
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The terms of the surrogacy agreement are negotiated up front and the intended parents and gestational carrier determine what they want their long term relationship to be – this may or may not be binding as part of the contract.
The intended parents determine if the surrogate can see, hold or have contact with the baby.
The intended parents are the biological parents – or sometimes an egg or sperm donor is used. The reason many people choose to use surrogacy services in specific places is becuase the law in those places allows the intended parents names to appear on the birth certificate. When this is not possible the issue goes to court and the birth certificate is changed retrospectively.
The intended parents are fully responsible for everything associated with the medical treatment and pregnancy and a contract protects the surrogate from incurring any cost.
There is no genetic impact of surrogacy and the surrogate can not pass on any genes – they can however pass on infections and as a result surrogates undergo rigourous medical screening to ensure they are healthy.
I have a close and loving relationship with my surrogate mother and look forward to introducing my daughters to her when they are old enough to understand that I did not give birth to them. Surrogates are unsung heroes who undergo significnat medical treatment and can endure much hardship to ensure a safe delivery. My surrogate was on bed rest from 25 weeks and in hospital and away from her family for six weeks. She did everything she could to look after my girls and endured much pain, lonliness and emotional stress to protect the health of my children. I will be forever grateful to her for her willingness to help me and my family. The money she earned can not give her back the year of her life that she gave to me.
I remain hopeful that the laws in Australia will change in time to enable the many childless couples here to benefit from this special opportunity. Australia has a long way to go to improve its adoption and surrogacy laws to help the many people like me who could not have a baby the traditional way.
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Beautiful and fascinating. Thanks so much for providing this insight.
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If anyone, surrogate or donor parent, “euthanased” the child then that would be murder (infanticide). No laws allow murder.
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I am not really a Nicole lover, but she is growing on me. She and Keith seem to be great parents, and love their family. It still puzzles me about the older two and her relationship with them, but I am sure there is way more to it than meets the eye.
I think it would be awesome if one day she spills the beans on the whole Tom Cruise thing. I think it would answer so many question.
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She never will because of the confidentiality terms of her payout. It is incredibly intruiging. He leaves her suddenly and when she’s pregnant. There is a massive story there.
Pity the journalist at Womens Weekly didn’t ask any hard questions in the current profile. Nothing we hadn’t read before except that it took her six years to heal. It really disappoints me when interviews are dull and standard as this one is.
I’m well aware that most celebrities have a list of questions you’re not allowed to ask but a decent journalist would ask anyway. Womens Weekly profile was very weak, the photos of Nicole are stunning, she looks better now than she ever has.
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I’m really sad to read the vitriol that has poured out here, about someone that you’ve never met, and really, don’t know the first thing about. Infertility, and the pain and heartache that accompanys it is incredibly personal and private. That Nicole and Keith had the option to use a surrogate is wonderful for them. My heart is filled with joy at their happy news.
Why can’t people just be happy for other people?
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so long as they don’t wax the baby’s eyebrows and enter her in a kids beauty pageant, I don’t mind
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at least she’s not pushing the “we conceived completely naturally” line
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The real topic for discussion is surrogacy laws in Australia and why so many couples miss out on the opportunity to have children. Despite leading the world in IVF technology we have not kept pace with legislation that enables childless couples to have babies. My husband and I recently had twin girls in the USA with the help of a wonderful surrogate mother – we were so lucky to be able to afford the journey but for most people this dream will never become a reality until our legislation facilitates commerical surrogacy here in Australia. My thoughts go out to all those couples who watch Nicole and Keith with bleeding hearts and untold grief for the children they will never have the chance to know.
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Congratulations on your twin girls!! I know I don’t have to tell you how lucky you have been but I will anyway LOL
Thankyou for your last line in your post – that was me all over when I heard about their latest addition.
The simple fact is because we can’t afford it, we will never become parents. Who knew your bank balance would ever determine your chance at becoming a parent?
Enjoy your no doubt gorgeous little girls!
~x~
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Thanks for your warm wishes. Sending you love and strength. L x
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She may have had IVF to conceive Sunday Rose then used the left over eggs to conceive this child too (via the surrogate). You can freeze those harvested eggs for years and still use them.
I also don’t get how nasty people are about this. Good on her for being proactive and using her hard-earned cash for her family instead of for more shoes and handbags!
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Maybe the sheer number of celebrities who have babies in their 40s has a lot to answer for.
It would be interesting to find out how many involve assisted reproduction – or perhaps the more relevant question would be how many don’t.
People end up with an unrealistic idea about how hard or easy it is to get pregnant in your after your mid 30s.
Just because someone is famous doesn’t prevent them from difficulties like other mere mortals.
It may give them the ability to pursue alternatives, but so what.
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My friend who is an obstetrician told me that there is a huge market for eggs in the US. Young Harvard grads especially are in demand.
That’s why there are so many woman in Hollywood over 35 who have twins.
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Wow I’m amazed at all the negativity… Why are people so nasty when it comes to this kind of subject?
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It honestly seems to be a Nicole thing. Later today we are publishing a new post on that exact subject.
Stay tuned.
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Many of the comments seem to about being sympathetic because others too have had difficulties conceiving…..what Nicole Kidman has done is out-source the incubation – what’s that got to do with conceiving? I’m very sympathetic of those need to resort to medical assistance to help them have a child. However, I recall she gave birth to her daughter a couple of years ago. Face it, she’s just downright weird, and has made a mockery of the process for those in genuine need.
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Ugh, I don’t understand the self-righteous assertion that so many people are making on this thread – ‘But she HAD a baby. Why didn’t she have this one? She must be a SELFISH FREAK!’ Nicole had a baby three years ago. Women do not remain fertile forever. There is nothing weird about being unable to naturally conceive at age 43, and pursuing alternatives (that are perfectly legal) does not make a mockery of anyone.
Haters gonna hate.
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….but she is still fertile (??) – it was reported that she and Kieth are the biological parents. Of course I understand that it’s difficult to conceive at 43. I’m referring to the process of “gestation”. Why doesn’t she come out and tell everyone what the circumstances were. And don’t give me any crap about “respecting her privacy” – she’s a publicity harlot.
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nicole a publicity harlot? i think that label would be better applied to celebs like lindsay lohan and paris hilton…. nasty comments anon. we don’t know her situation, perhaps she simply can’t carry a baby anymore? doesn’t mean she isn’t fertile, just that carrying a pregnancy to term is not an option. sources are reporting they went through IVF with no results. some empathy would be nice.
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Infertility does not simply mean ‘dodgy eggs and / or sperm’. Her eggs may be perfectly healthy, but there are other body parts involved in producing a baby.
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Just because she is still fertile doesn’t mean she can carry a baby to term or even have an embryo implant successfully. Why does she have to tell the circumstances? It’s private and more than likely very painful to discuss with anyone let alone the whole world. Just because you think she is a ‘publicity harlot’ doesn’t mean she has to explain to the world the ins and outs of her uterus.
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Oh thank goodness some people with sense wrote here! As an infertility warrior myself the decision not to tell people when I am going through IVF is simply because I can’t deal with the outdated, ridiclous opinions people have on the subject. Nic is 43, after 38 for most people infertility is a black ski run, it goes down pretty quickly. Chances are they tried very hard and it wasn’t working for them. Same as SJP she openly admitted that they tried for years after their son and they couldn’t conceive. I guess they are in the fortunate position where money isn’t an object. But just because she didn’t flout her infertility doesn’t make her a bad person – just a private one.
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When I told some people about having IVF, on two separate occaisions I heard “oh but you haven’t been married that long!”, as if I didn’t really need it and was just being impatient! People say stupid & heartless things, so retaining whatever privacy possible is perfectly understandable.
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She doesn’t have to come out and defend herself – it’s really none of our business how or why this baby was carried by someone else!
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I had one child, then was infertile for 3 years, then had surgery, then had two more kids. Just because you’ve had a child, doesn’t guarantee you’re fertile forever
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I got pregnant with my first child easily. My second child I lost during pregnancy. And my third child was a long struggle to conceive.
Other women need to use IVF to fall pregnant the first time and then surprise themselves by conceiving naturally after that.
Every woman is different. Every pregnancy (or attempted pregnancy) for every woman is different.
Sometimes drastically.
And age plays a major factor. For all we know, Nicole had to use IVF a number of times before falling pregnant the first time and it failed subsequent times afterwards.
There is no ‘easy’ way to have a baby.
It’s important to be mindful of that before condemning the way a baby is brought into the world.
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I just want to apologise I didn’t realise that about you. Just goes to show what assume really means. Thanks for being open and honest about it all.
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Have just read all these posts.
Am now cowering in the corner….
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I haven’t read all the comments….so many for this article. But I remember her playing the digeridoo on Oprah or something a few years ago….and I thought ‘oh no that is bad, women aren’t allowed to do that’….turns out in Indigenous culture this can lead to becoming barren. (Of course her age definately has something to do with it as well).
Any other views on this?
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University Deans used to say that women who went to university became infertile too, so… don’t beleive it.
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What a load of rubbish. She apologised profusely for her mistake in ignorance. I am sure there are people that believe that playing the didgeridoo can cause infertility, but I am also sure that a scientific study would prove them wrong. Frankly, this kind of belief functions as a social control – to prevent women stepping out of social bounds and challenging masculine power with the threat of infertility, and so complete loss of status in the social group. You would probably be “barren” too if no one would touch you with a barge pole because you’d become social death.
Are you serious?
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Wow I just saw the heading really quickly before reading the story and thought “EXCUSE ME!!! How does someone that famous hide a pregnacny!!!!”
Makes alot more sense now reading the post (obviously).
All the best to Keith, Nicole, Sunday & Faith
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Wow. It really, truly surprises me how people can direct so much anger and hatred towards someone they DON’T EVEN KNOW!
Seriously people…. all that negativeness is not good for the world.
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I think surrogacy can be a beautiful option for those who cannot bear a child of their own. It gives them the option of having a child with their own genetics that will feel loved and wanted through their entire life.
Although adoption is a wonderful option that gives so many children the potential for a happier life, who are we to judge those who choose to have their own child (from whoever’s body)?
Nicole is obviously not against adoption, since she has two adopted children with Tom Cruise, but I guess she and Keith decided that having a child of their own bodies was the way to go for them. To each their own I say.
And hopefully Nicole will be happy going to an Urban church of her Faith, on a Sunday!
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The US correspondent on the news said that they’d been planning on keeping it quiet for a lot longer than up to now, but some tv gossip show found out and was going to show the story, so they wanted to beat them to the punch.
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They had a baby three weeks ago, and, what didn’t realise it? Oh, they did, but were too busy at an awards night to notice. What, did they get a text saying, ‘bub has arrived’. Welcome, people, to the childbearing methods of the rich, famous and definitely ugly.
‘Gestative carrier’ says it all. The nine months the baby spent in the womb of some woman, growing from her vital fluids, her emotions, her being; apparently none of this matters, because Nicole writes a cheque and takes delivery of the new baby.
A lot easier than going through childbirth, or a caesarian. Baby on demand. No problem that at her age many women are challenged in conceiving, or bearing a child.
In fact, if you’re a celebrity, why go through childbirth at all? Plant the egg and sperm in a hatchery and come back nine months later. Hopefully science will speed up the duration and there’ll be babies on demand. It seems this is what Elton John wanted. ‘I’ll have a son now’! Choose the sex, abort if it’s not to you’re liking.
‘Gestative carriers’ and other euphemisms, are offensive in the extreme. While the rich and vacuous, and selfish, can indulge in this obscene behaviour, we as a society don’t have to embrace it. There is nothing wrong with admitting that you are unable to bear a child. There is nothing wrong with adoption. We have millions of unwanted children on the planet. If you have the money for these bizarre procedures, perhaps look elsewhere first.
Again, the nine months the baby spends in the womb of a surrogate woman, growing from her vital fluids, are a vital part of the child’s being; she may not be genetically similar, but sure as eggs, she will inherit the emotions, the day to day energy flow of the ‘gestating mother’.
I’m sorry, but this sounds a little too like ‘Alien’. If you can’t have a baby, accept it. The world will be no worse off for your not forcing an induced, impregnated embryo on society. You aren’t that important.
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I’m sorry, but as a woman who is struggling to concieve and is trying everything, I find your opinion extreemly offensive. As a woman it is impossible to ‘accept’ that you can’t have a child of your own, it is not in our DNA. I will explore every option from fostering to adoption to surrogacy and I think surrogacy is a beautiful gift one woman can give another, payment or not.
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hang in there and keep on exploring options. I have three beautiful children after long and painful struggles – one child was IVF (after 3 years of treatment, six surgeries and a lost pregnancy) and twins born via surrogacy in the USA. Don’t give up on your dream. I wish you lots of love and positive energy. Everyone deserves the right to be a parent. x
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Wow, let me just say that if you felt the need to spew this kind of bile at any dinner party I attended I would feel the need to throw the tiramisu at your head.
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No, don’t waste tiramisu. Just drink copious amounts of wine and comment on the way home to your partner friend about what a load of crap his comments were.
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I purposefully picked tiramisu to illustrate my outrage, I would never sacrifice dessert over something trivial.
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Oh Gig….I couldn’t disagree more…I hope you’re wearing a crash helmet!
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I was left speechless by this post until i saw who posted it. Say no more:((((
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Just started reading, crash helmet firmly in place!
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As someone who does not have or want children I find these comments offensive. It seems rather harsh to me especially the comment, ‘If you can’t have a baby, accept it.’ Isn’t that like saying to the people who lost everything in the floods, ‘Oh well, these things happen so why should I help you?’ That may sound trivial but to me it is a very selfish way to look at things. We are always quick to judge without knowing all the facts.
There are many people like Emily Jade who are desperate to have a baby and if I was able to help those in anyway then I would. I think it would be rather selfish of me to have something that I don’t want and ‘waste’ it when there are many people out there who want it.
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don’t for one secod think that infertility and having a baby through surrogacy is an easy option for anyone with money or not
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Exactly! I’m sure they didn’t just wake up one morning and say “Hey, let’s implant one of our embryos into someone else’s body . . . it’ll be hilarious!”
Having a baby or another child is a huge decision, regardless of how the baby is brought into the world.
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laughed out loud at this comment! well said and appreciated
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“If you can’t have a baby, accept it” is increcibly heartless whether you’re talking about someone famous or not. I have been lucky enough to have had two babies and cannot imagine how hearbreaking it would be to have not been able to conceive. I don’t think it would ever be anything you could “just accept”
Also – I don’t understand continued references to why they couldn’t have adoped one of the millions of unwanted children on the planet. By the same logic, everyone should stop falling pregnant until these children have all found loving homes.
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Australian law limits overseas adoption making it a difficult process – and not one that is available to all people.
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An EXCELLENT point.
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Did you even think about what you were going to say before you typed it?
Obviously they knew they had a baby three weeks ago. it was still their eggs and sperm so that would have had to have been organised earlier last year.
Did you even think for one second what their life is like in the public eye?
I totally understand why they kept it all secret. Why give the paparazzi a reason to hover and invade their lives anymore than normal?
Sandra Bullok kept her little boy secret for a while for I’m sure the same reasons. Babies don’t need that kind of interuption and chaos, I’m sure it would be quite frightening.
They announced the news the night BEFORE the awards show. They obviously wanted to keep her away from prying eyes for longer but word had gotten out so they released a statement. Her parents were there to look after the children while they were at the awards show.
Have you ever ever experienced the pain of infertility or not being able to carry a baby to term? Have you? because i’m sure you would be bit more sensitive had you known anything what that is like.
you really need to take a step back and think about what your words have done to those who are considering surrogacy as their only option.
Do you even possess a heart?
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Gig is a man. I’m pretty sure he has absolutely no idea what female infertility is like.
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“If you can’t have a baby, accept it.”
I’ve been trying to “accept” it for 11 years now but you know what, it’s not as easy as just “accepting” it when the yearn, desire and longing for a baby, for the desire to do what a womans body is DESIGNED to do is so strong and fills up every inch of you.
When, just by venturing outside, you’re greeted with the very thing you want, you’re reminded daily of what you can’t have and yet everybody else seems to have with no problem.
You feel like such a failure because you can’t make your husband a Dad.
If you haven’t lived it – which judging by your comment[s] you haven’t, then you can take your “acceptance” idea and shove it.
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I’m sorry Miss Ruby, I wish no one had to go through the pain of infertility.
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Oh my god, such vitriol from someone about something so precious. I am just about in tears reading your very hurtful comments. You don’t just seem to be directing them at Nicole and Keith but any couple (man and woman) who is infertile. And for anyone who has made the generous donation to be a surrogate (not a bizarre procedure) your comments are just… gosh there are no words.
“If you can’t have a baby, accept it. The world will be no worse off for your not forcing an induced, impregnated embryo on society. You aren’t that important.” I presume you are referring to all IVF procedures here. Yes I know I’m not that important, but my desire to have a biological child is strong and at times irrational. I am sorry that I have blighted on your world one beautiful, intelligent, compasssionate daughter and am about to bring another child into this world through “bizarre” procedures.
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sorry but you sound like a really horrible woman. I had a ‘friend’ like you once. After my second miscarriage and third negative IVF attempt she told me ‘well, you’re obviously not meant to be a mum so just move on – some people aren’t meant to have kids’. I never spoke to her again. Now I am trying embryo donation – it seems like a likely option at my age (43).
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Good luck, I hope it’s a success
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Are you serious? Obviously you have never struggled to conceive because your …. what was your term “vacous” and completley uninformed opinion is exactly that.
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Gig, has the male menopause set in? You seem a bit testy, lately……..
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I’m always testy…
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Shame on you.
This is a cruel, insensitive, ill-informed diatribe.
In fact your comments are so daft I’m surprised you know how to work a computer.
You’ve made me feel embarrassed that I’ve recommended this site to my friends.
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OMG – I’ve just read your post. Are you serious? I get that this post is meant to be like a dinner party but I might be just a bit tempted to tip my dessert into your lap. I’m undertaking IVF because of infertility and I’m astounded that you believe “if you can’t have a baby, accept it”. Speechless and deeply offended.
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So their new daughter was born in nashville 3 weeks ago and they were at an awards ceremony in LA on friday and Monday?!?! Shouldnt they be at home with their 3 week old?!?! Nannies raising the poor bub already
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i TOTALLY agree!
however many don’t, i made a similar comment earlier…
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Her parents were there to look after the kids. they just got back.
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How do you know the child was with a Nanny. Could have been with her parents for all you know. Have a think before you comment.
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Since we all know how insane the paparazzi are, wtf would you want to do anything BUT protect your child (and children) from them? Smothering the announcement of such happy news under attendance at an awards ceremony is a very smart move on their part and I support them 100%.
Besides, I’m pretty sure Nicurban would have a private jet to fly to/from home, so they could have minimised the actual time they were away from their new baby.
Be joyful for a happy event, already.
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are you serious? Many parents have to go back to work and have work commitments after a baby is born – do you expect them to stay home 24/7 now? We don’t expect that of other parents. You’re being ridiculous.
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Dear Editor,
I have looked and looked but I can’t find the cross word puzzle in this weeks edition of “That’s Life”I found my horoscope and some article talking about Nicole Kidman, I found the one about who wore what to the Golden Globes and I found the article about Stage mums, but I can not find the crossword puzzle or this weeks giveaway. By the way, can you put Paris or the kardashians on the cover next week???
Oh wait………….. sorry forgot where I was for a minute.
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A crossword! Excellent idea.
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Definately. Always good to work on you’re speling.
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Oh yes, defiantly.
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And punctuation!
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I don’t like Nicole because she seems stuck up. Well her interview with Kyle and Sophie Monk the other morning made her seem really stuck up (or maybe Kyle and Sophie are so bogan anyone would appear stuck up beside them).
Either way, i’d like to take this opportunity to say congratulations and best wishes to ALL THE MOTHERS ON HERE WHO DON’T EARN 3 MILLION DOLLARS FOR A 5 SECOND COMMERCIAL, WHO DON’T HAVE MAIDS, NANNY’S OR RICH MUSO HUSBANDS.
I’m not a Mum but i appreciate that you Mum’s out there are the ones that deserve well wishes and articles written about you
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Sharon, I think I love you.
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wow I didn’t know ads only took 5 seconds to film. you learn something new every day. oh and her being in the ad wouldn’t have increased sales or anything making that company extrememly rich.
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She is stuck up, always has been.
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I’ve only read the first couple of dozen comments here, because it sounds like there are a lot of really negative ones below that, and well… on this topic I’m just not interested in them.
I’m pretty neutral on the subject of Nicole generally, although I’ve always admired the way she and Tom kept the details of their divorce pretty quiet – no ugly public spats for them. That’s not easy. And in the same way I admire the way she and Keith kept this quiet for a long time – probably not easy for different reasons! Most importantly, I think there’s another loved and wanted baby in the world. Always a cause for quiet celebration. Congratulations to them all.
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She’s also friends with Penelope Cruz, the woman Tom supposedly left her for. I think that takes a remarkable woman all round.
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You’re so naive. Nicole’s payout made sure she kept quiet. She had to sign a confidentiality agreement to never speak about the relationship or the breakup or else she’d have to give the money back. Same will happen with Katie.
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I think it’s wonderful. Any time a child is welcomed and wanted in a family is a blessing, she obviously has fertility issues and i for one respect her decision to both use a surrogate and also to not vomit about it all over the media. She has a right to her privacy which she obviously treasures, I say a huge congrats to both of them
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i think this is wonderful news…i was really happy to see them happy!
im appalled its not legal here in Australia and considered a crime?!
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I thought that surrogacy was legal in all states except Tasmania but there can be no payment between the parties. This would make it a rather selfless act in my opinion. I watched a documentary here in the UK on surrogacy which was really interesting. Some did it for money, others did it because they loved being pregnant
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Actually just reading the recent blog topics”"Tjhe parents who wax forcibly wax their childrens eyebrows”", The Golden Globes, Ricky Gervais, Astrology…. etc and now Nicole Kidman and I am seriously wondering whether Mia thinks her readership are celebrity obsessed, slack jawed, dull eyed morons.
Mama Mia seems to part of the cult of celebrity, encouraging us obsess about people we do not know from a bar of soap. Why worry about their lives when wew could be focussed on something IMPORTANT. e,g, In The Age today I read about primary school aged in Timor who died because she could not access heart surgery. No Australian hospital would help this child apparently. THat is shameful.
Why not post that story, instead of posting trivial crap about multimillionaires. I don’t hate Nicole Kidman but ithinhk it is a terrible waste of media time and space when there are important issues which should be being bought to the public attention.
Mia is in a privileged position where she could be doing good for society yet wastes her time on drivel such as multiple stories on Nicole Kidman
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Catherine, have you been reading MamaMia long? All you have to do is have a scroll through the archives to see that this website covers a WIDE range of topics, from the most trivial to the most serious.
You’re entitled to your opinion of course, but it’s annoying that comments like this get made – they’re as narrow-minded and lowbrow as you claim this site to be. Blanket summaries are fine, but not based on a topic sample spanning a couple of days!
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Elisha I did not state that “”this website never covers a serious topic”". However, I would suggest you look at the archives and see the high percentage of “fluff” pieces on e.g. celebrities, fashion and astrology.
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Nothing stopping you dropping Mia an email about a story that catches your eye that you think needs more exposure…
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Catherine,i couldn’t care less about Nicole Kidman,and i’m sure there’s plenty of websites discussing much more important things,but Mamamia is what it is-here is a simple idea for you:why not just click away and find a webite that suits your interests better…?
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Mama Mia to me is a place where I can catch up on the news in a way that is easy to understand and shows what is relevant to me. If you, or I, were looking for in depth current affairs, try a serious news website.
Besides, who doesn’t enjoy the ‘fluff pieces’ to take their mind off all the drama in the world today?
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Thanks Megsie, well put. We can’t choose when news breaks. The mix of some days aren’t what we plan but we have to keep Mamamia relevant by adapting to big stories.
And on this day, Nicole was one such story. Judging by the number of shares and comments, many people wanted to talk about it. Which is always our litmus test….
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My mate and I used to devour trashy NW mags in between uni lectures, speculating about celeb private lives and cracking each other up. And hey, I admit to watching the occasional episode of Toddlers & Tiaras* too (it IS trainwreck tv at it’s best). I don’t think taking an interest in pop culture (however lowbrow it may be) means that I’m a slack-jawed moron. Ugh, is it just me or does everyone seem particularly cranky today?
*on a side note, I’m addicted to the Lifestyle You channel on foxtel, I find myself visiting my parents place just to watch it. As a new mother, I tell myself I’m researching how NOT to parent. I’m sure that probably makes me sound like a slack-jawed moron, but meh!
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Haha I had my yearly dose of Foxtel at my Dad’s last weekend. Hooly dooly!
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Catherine….when they disagree with you around here, they generally tell you to go away.
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Bradley, I”ve been told to go away before but like a bad penny I keep turning up to subvert the dominant group think.:)
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I think it’s called trolling.
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How many times does it have to be said?
It’s not that we disagree with what you’re saying.
It’s the fact that some people keep complaining about something that they don’t have to read. It gets tedious to read people’s bitching because of things Mamamia does or doesn’t do.
(I’ve noticed that people actually have been quite tolerant of Catherine’s often very Christian viewpoints…)
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redballoon is using an alias….again ! Why is this allowed ?
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If I really wanted to be secretive I’d make up new name!
This is meant to be a humorous reference to an almost identical conversation from a few weeks ago. In that thread I even identified myself as “from mensa aka redballoon”.
(My apologies if I’m being the humorless one here!)
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Aren’t they both aliases, lm sure her (if she IS female,,,,,hmmm) name isn’t red balloon or from mens a. Just as my name isn’t faybian. Is yours actually Bradley???
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Ha ha!
I’d be a candidate for that post a while ago on the insane names some parents give their kids.
Just imagine the teasing at school!
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My apologies, I may be getting my Catherines confused with other catherines!
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Hi Catherine,
I would encourage you to take a slightly broader view of this website. We publish dozens of posts per week. It seems churlish to sledge it based on one particular day’s posts that may not be to your liking.
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It must be so tiresome to have to continually defend yourself or your website Mia.
That actually sounds sarcastic but I am being totally geniune!
I, for one, love the “fluffy” subjects that are posted on here. I have enough serious shit going on in my personal life, I come onto this site to chill out and forget about “reality”
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Hi Catherine, I’ve written seven posts on this site. They’ve been on: women working in advertising, the politics of school fetes, family camping trips, a friend’s loss of a baby at full term, schoolies week and two on the recent Queensland floods. From where I sit, Mamamia seems pretty diverse. PS Only commenting because I saw the recent comments. I’m not that interested in Nicole Kidman so I didn’t click the story yesterday. It was easy, you should try it.
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I don’t dislike Nicole because she is gorgeous, slim and famous.
I don’t dislike her because of her acting or her botox or her denial of using botox or the fact that she can easily afford a surrogate.
I don’t wish her the slightest bit of ill for having a loving husband and healthy little babies, however they got here.
I don’t even dislike her because of the fact that she doesn’t seem to see her kids much or that they live with their father and not her. Hers and Tom’s choice for whatever reason.
However, what bothers me no end about this woman is that in interviews she raves on about her daughter Sunday and her other children barely rate a mention. The only recent mention was her disappointment that they have chosen as teenagers not to live with her. (At least be honest Nicole – they’ve lived with their dad since they were 6 and 9 years old; this is not a recent development.)
To me Nicole seems like any other parent who becomes besotted by the child/ren they have with a new adored partner and the ‘old’ children of ‘the ex’ are largely ignored. It would be lovely to hear now and then that although she doesn’t see them much they are still important to her and still very much part of her family.
Instead we hear how happy she is with her little family (Keith, Sunday and now Faith) and I just feel so very sorry for those other two young people.
I’d bet if a reporter asked Nicole tomorrow how her daughters are she’d reply “They are both fine”.
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Please read my comment below.
Also, i think Bella and Connor lived with Nic (based on interviewers seeing this and photos) til they will approx 10 and 12 at least
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i don’t even think the kids live with tom i think they live with tom’s sister. i know it may not be true but you have to wonder how it must feel to be adopted by someone who then hands you over to someone else to raise you. that is not parenting
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Maybe she doesn’t discuss the older children at their request as they want their privacy b
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I think that may be a bit mean when you don’t actually know the whole story. it would be heartbreaking to have your children choose their father to live with over you. I have no idea why people are so happy to dissect someone elses parenting abilty when they don’t know them apart from what they read in a magazine.
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I think you need to read the February issue of Womens Weekly, Nicole is on the front cover and perhaps you will get your facts straight…
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How funny that the news of baby Faith broke after the February Women’s Weekly was published! I wondered if they felt a bit gipped about their exclusive interview with Nicole when in fact she was hiding a delicious piece of information! Haha!
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Yeah well it’s a very weak interview. No hard questions were asked at all. The journalist kept it very light. Hardly worth bothering reading. Photos of her are great, she looks amazing.
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From what I understand she lost visitation and access rights no doubt pushed on her from her religious crazed ex husband.
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No, from a very early age ie; five years, neither Tom nor Nicole bothered with their two adopted children. They were always shifted off to boarding schools, other family. Tom and Nicole hardly spent any time with them, they were always off working. It was very sad.
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Were you a close personal friend of Tom and Nicole during this time?? Interesting that you write like you had intimate knowledge of their life or are you just basing your comments on what you have read in the media??
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I think Tom pulled a real swifty on her with his scientology mates in regards to the kids….wonder what will happen to Suri once Katie gets kicked out…
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i think it sad that ‘gestational carriers’ aka surrogates are for the wealthy, while women of more humble means remain childless.
i can’t help but give a thought to the countless orphaned children through out the world who are ‘ready made’ who would also make wonderful children to those who feel the need to add to their family.
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If you think that adopting a child is a “cheap” option then you are sadly mistaken. Nor is the process easy, simple, quick, painless. We have friends who have finally been approved for adoption – after 2 years of CONSTANT paperwork, interviews, blood tests, court appearances. Even though they know that they have a child, they still need to wait 6 months for you guessed it, more paperwork, court appearances, police checks, you name it. Can you imagine how much that would cost, not just financially but also emotionally?
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Oh that’s right I tripped over a whole lot of orphans on my way to work. Thanks for again reminding me of the fact that when it comes to infertility unless you experience you truly have no idea. Do you have any idea how hard it is to adopt? It is not like we can head down the local fast food outlet and just order one to go. Adopting is just as painfully hard as trying to conceive. And why shouldn’t people be allowed to have their own child? What makes them so selfish and wrong that they want to have their own flesh and blood? After all if fertile people can do it are we supposed to be any different? Maybe you can post up the email address of where we find these ready made babies to go and the name of the government official who might actually expediate the issue. I mean seriously.
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Hi guys,
I also think it unfair of us to judge based on “pap” photos how much Nic sees her older children…although i also know from reliable sources that Scientology would be a serious influence in all of this as Nicole is considered a “supressed person”.
After watching an Ellen interview on youtube with Nic I saw on the side this one…watching it it really does make you quite sad to think that, for whatever reason, she does not see Bella and Connor all that much when she has brought up these little guys since they were babies. Its a great little vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyqQLv8yVe0
Also, if you read and watch interviews with Nic, she always will talk about Bella and Connor…more recently she is not asked as much about them and, yes, she has said a lot about the joy of becoming an older mother with Sunday. But old Ellen, Rove, Letterman interviews she gushes about her older kids and that was def after the divorce.
And also she said in Vanity Fair that she had an early miscarriage with Tom and that is how she came to adopt Bella…then she had a miscarriage just before the divorce btw her and Tom was announced in 2000…i remember seeing a photo of her in a wheel chair with her NY hat on in the Hosp (after the divorce and with sources they published it..very private so not something you would want to see)
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Bella was also a bridesmaid when Nicole married Keith Urban
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And you may also remember Bella and her nanny for the trip here (Tom’s sister) were greeted at the airport by a minder as her mother was at the gym. Each to their own, but I’m not sure most parents would prioritise a workout over being there to meet their child in person after a long international flight
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Bella and Connor (yes, Tom’s sister’s chaperoned them on the flight) were actually greeted by Nicole’s Mum, their Grandmother
….she was at the gym, how do we know this anyway?
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I think most parents would want to avoid their children being mobbed at the airport after a long international flight. The media attention Nicole was getting at the time was INSANE! If she’d have gone to the airport she would have been followed by a few hundred reporters and photographers. She would have needed a police escort. It would have been a major hassle for her, her kids, the police and airport staff.
Much better to greet your kids an hour later.
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She doesn’t seem cold at all in that video you show, not sure where ppl get the impression she is
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Great news for them! A little girl who is sure to be loved, protected and given every opportunity in life to do well – nothing but good thoughts for them and their new little bambino.
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Sunny (I believe she’s not called Sunday routinely) and Faith.
Both upbeat, happy names and spellable. That’s nice.
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What I don’t understand from many of these cruel comments is the double standard that is arising.
Why are we allowed to uphold Nicole as an example of Hollywood detrimenting the emotional lives of women everywhere because of her Botox use and unexplained pregancy details yet we disregard all common decency and set the examples OURSELVES of being nasty and unfoundedly cruel to another woman?
It just doesn’t equate. Why must she be a good example for all and sundry yet we are allowed to anonymously be bitchy.
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People are just bitchy because Nicole is
(a) fabulously rich
(b) married
(c) has kids
(d) tall
(e) slim
(f) scrubs up well
Personally she can use botox till the cows come home I don’t care.
Why don’t we say that all tall, thin actors and models be banned from our sight as they will make short, fat ugly people depressed? Seems to me that is what some bloggers here want. We all know celebrities are doing liposuction, botox, etc we are not stupid, if it depresses you to look at attractive people turn off your tv set, close your magazine and go down to your local supermarket and look at everday average fat, ugly people. Then u will feel better. But dont expect to drag everyone down, elt those who want to have cosmetic surgery have it and shut the f*** up about their decisions
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No one cares that Nicole uses Botox – they care because she lies about it! Seriously her face is so plastic fantastic and she says its all sunscreen? Pathetic!
I can’t speak for everyone here, but I don’t get depressed looking at beautiful people. I like lots of celebrities who are more beautiful and talented than Nicole. I like admiring celebs looking amazing at the Oscars or the Golden Globes – so jealously doesn’t really come into it at all. I just don’t warm to Nicole, I find her cold and fake. And I don’t think she is a particularly good actress. These things don’t make me nasty or depressed, they are just my opinion.
And although I’m only 5’3 I can assure you that I’m neither fat nor ugly. Not that I don’t appreciate the stereotype
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Her right to use botox hasn’t been questioned here – rather it’s that she denies using it. In your haste to defend her Catherine, (and judge the rest of us as bitches) you’ve missed the point.
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Well I dont know why you are all getting your knickers in a twist about it. We know she uses it, we don’t believe her when she says she does not, so just let it go…
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Hosing down fire now – play nice please
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eeshhh Nicky – what a job – trying to calm our over-enthusiastic opinions!!
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Playing devil’s advocate for a second – doesn’t she have the right to deny using Botox? Isn’t that her business?
I’m asking this next question not of you, Anonymous, but more generally – why do we think we have the right to know everything about her?
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she doesn’t have to say she uses botox but the fact is she said she looked so good because she used sunscreen, didn’t smoke and drank water.
so she can omit information but she shouldn’t lie. well she can lie but she can’t expect to be liked and respected if she does.
that is where the issue is with me. and that is my opinion, sorry if it offends
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Catherine you really need to grow up.
So she’s a movie star and earns a lot of money. Big deal, its still just a job. she does have downsides to that too like people such as yourself saying such nasty things about her becuase she is well known and in the public eye. and like all celebrities she has paparazzi to deal with and fake stories written about her. No thanks.
So she’s slim, do think she does not watch what she eats and works out?
and she’s tall, so am I are you going to start slinging abuse at me now??
OOh I’m married too maybe I’d really better watch out.
And she scrubs up well. mmm, are you actually saying with having your hair done a nice frock and some makeup you wouldn’t scrub up well?
all I read in your comments are pure insecurities.
maybe all you really need is some self esteem then you wouldn’t feel the need to be so nasty to others??
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D, YOu have not understood my post. I was defending Nicole, pointing out she is a victim of tall poppy syndrome
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While not a Nicole or Keith fan, of course am happy for them, a new baby, how could you not be?
That being said it saddens me that parenthood is becoming a case of who can afford it and who cannot.
They for one reason or another cannot carry their own child – they have loads of money and so can afford to pay a surrogate and therefore have a child.
We cannot carry our own child, do not have loads of money and so therefore cannot have a child.
Does not having loads of money mean I would be a bad mother? That my husband doesn’t deserve to become the awesome Dad that I know he would be?
Stories like these, while happy for the couple, make me so sad for people like myself who have been bitchslapped by infertility and then bitchslapped again by finances that don’t allow us to do anything about OUR circumstances in order to become parents.
Being a parent shouldn’t come down to how much money you have to splash around – should it?
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Totally understand where you are coming from. I will never forget when one of my sisters said to the other (who had struggled with IVF for years) that some people just weren’t meant to be parents.
While I believe that’s true, it’s not defined by fertility.
My sister (the infertile, nice one) did get to raise a child through a foster situation. I hope you guys get the same chance – naturally or by other means.
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A tangent, but money does have a part to play – part of the decision to have kids responsibly needs to be financial after all.
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Of course it does but I’m not talking about two people who want children, have never been employed nor plan to be.
We can financially afford a child once it’s born – comfortably – with no help from the government.
However we need assistance to have a child, assistance that doesn’t come cheap which means no child for us because we simply do not have the thousands upon thousands it would cost.
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I am not a huge fan of Nicole, but still find this story happy and beautiful. I actually find that I respect her more that she has kept it quiet and not cashed in on it excessively. I agree with surrogacy to assist people help them realise their dream of being a parent, and NK obviously loves her daughter Sunday Rose very much. I think by keeping it quiet shows a lot of respect to the wonderful person who helped them with the gift of their new baby daughter, imagine the hassles this woman would get every time she walked the streeets if people knew she was carrying NKs child. I guess there is never any guarantee either with these things, so probably wanted to keep it quiet until they were actually able to hold their healthy baby, and whilst they are public figures they also have a right to keep these things to themsleves. NK and KU seem so happy togehter and always looks so relaxed togther so hope they are able to enjoy their new blessing.
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Full Disclosure: I’m not a Nicole fan.
HOWEVER…. I think there are interesting parallels between my feelings about this post and my feelings about the Ricky Gervais one. That parallel is that celebrities need to suck it up.
Nicole Kidman is fantastically wealthy (some would say over-paid but I digress…). And the trade off for that is that she is in the public eye and people will judge her appearance, acting performances and life choices. Which some people would hate. Other people – like me- would be happy for anyone to write whatever they wanted if the trade off was that I would be a multi millionaire. I would laugh all the way to the bank. Either way, its a choice. Nicole has pursued a very public life. So she has to accept the consequences of that choice. And I very much doubt she is crying herself to sleep at night about what some girl from Perth thinks about her.
Its not anyone’s place to get offended for her – she’s big enough to take care of herself. And just because you’re not a fan of Nicole, doesn’t make you jealous, nasty or a negative person.
PS – Only tried Botox a couple of times and have now stopped because you didn’t like how your face looked? GIRLLLLLLLL PLEASE!
( sorry that was just the bitchy, nasty, sad, cruel bitch in me coming out….I’m off to torture some puppies…..)
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You totally articulated my sentiments way better than I could express myself! Well said
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Sheesh! I’m with Team Kerri here, because I don’t think that not liking a celebrity, or making a joking remark about her adopted children that are rarely mentioned, and haven’t been papped with her for years, makes me vicious, or a bitch. I don’t think anyone is criticising her for using a surrogate either (or gestational carrier if you will!). I don’t like Nicole Kidman, but I hardly think that makes me a bitch. I forgot how much people fire up over the most banal shite on the interwebs!
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Congratulations to them! They both seem to make each other so happy, so I think it’s beautiful for them to be extending their family
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Wow, the comments on this board are fierce! As someone who has experienced infertility and miscarriage I don’t believe anyone in a similar scenario – which she has admitted she is in – would choose a surrogate for “convenience”. This is obviously a much longed-for baby, can’t we all just appreciate that?
And I’m sure the lack of contact Nicole has with her older children is heartbreaking for her, but at least they are coming to an age when they can start making their own decisions. I believe Isabella has already expressed a desire to live closer to her mother. And who knows how much contact already goes on behind closed doors.
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I say congratulations to them, and poo to all the bitchy comments on here.
Why has it become popular to “Kidman Bash”? Sure she had a bit of botox (which she recently admitted to and said she has stopped and can move her forehead again!) but I think she is pretty normal from her interviews etc, and most actresses in hollywood have had some form of plastic surgery/botox etc and she’s not the only one to deny it!
She’s 44. Has lost several babies (which having lost one myself is no fun) and so they decided to use a surrogate. I doubt she would let her career get in the way of carrying a baby. From an interview she did she loved being pregnant with Sunday, so I think if she could have, she would have. Like someone else said, she has said they had tried and tired, then did IVF to have another child and had no luck. She also put her career on hold while married to Tom and only did heaps of movies after they split. Same with Keith, she hasn’t worked much since they got together. I think that shows she is more interested in her life than being famous. And I doubt that she ever wanted to be famous. She wanted to be an actress. Fame is just the ugly monster that comes along with that.
So I say congratulations to them. They clearly adore Sunday, and so she and Faith are two very lucky little girls.
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Oh, this just had to degenerate into an anti-Nicole Kidman discussion, didn’t it….
I don’t know her, my attitude towards her would probably best be described as neutral, but I have to say, if you want to see a ‘different’ side of Nicole take a look at this tribute to Simon Baker that she and Keith did at the G’day LA 2010 – it shows a completely non-plastic, shoes-off Nicole dancing (badly) and singing (out of key) and just looking so happy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-uRu5HUOdo&feature=related
Kerri might even like it – if only for the many shots of Simon’s gorg visage!
I am very happy that they have added to their family, and I am completely relaxed at their use of a surrogate – I have many friends with fertility issues including a friend who cannot carry babies any more because of complications with her uterus. It happens.
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I saw it, it’s very funny.
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Now Simon Baker, there’s a great guy! He has to be one of the most down to earth nice guys that exist anywhere. he’s the real deal.
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Wow. I hope Nicole never has the misfortune of stumbling across this page (I’m sure celebs must sometimes google themselves!
) Whether you warm to her or not, anyone who has experienced infertility or knows someone who has, knows how utterly heartbreaking it is.
Assume for a moment that it is in fact true that she was unable to fall pregnant again or to carry a baby to full term. Imagine how painful it would be to have uninformed people allege so authoritatively that you must have used a surrogate for vanity’s sake, etc. Some of the comments below are just vicious.
Its easy to judge, but there are almost always details of the situation that we don’t know – and if we did, we might think twice before pouncing.
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I don’t dislike nor like Nicole Kidman but for those that arn’t a fan of her’s, check out the video of her on Oprah recently in the “you might also like….” section on this page and watch her talk about Sunday (yes I know she has other kids).
The story about Sunday trying to order a coffee is actually funny and shows Nicole in a down to earth and funny light.
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I think it kind of brings Nicole down to earth for me. I felt bad for woman battling fertility issues when the headlines went batshit over the Travoltas and how the baby was a miracle. She is in her mid forties, IVF would have had to play a role. And they make it seem like she just did a test and went “oops, John! I’m pregnant, yay!” I wish the media had more respect and thought of others dignity, but that would be madness.
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Well actually SOME women do get pregnant in their 40s without IVF or fertility treatments. usually the women who dont want to pregnant LOL
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Completely understand. I do realize some women do, but it’s extremely rare and my point was that many celebrities in their 40′s make it look too damn easy, which can have a negative affect on women having trouble conceiving. They appear in the womens weeklys and the new ideas looking fresh faced and blissed out after their “perfect” births, no problems whatsoever.
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The safe arrival of any child is “good news”.
I am not sure we (all) benefit from the cruel comments about the parents, no matter who they are. I have to assume those that appear to see the benefit are perfect people, with a perfect work record, raising perfect children, surrounded by other perfect people doing the same thing. Good luck to you!
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