Do You Like This Story?

Grab a cuppa and settle in for the first Mamamia Bookclub review on Indelible Ink by Fiona McGregor. Paula Joye from Lifestyled and I discussed the book over breakfast this week and we also asked Susan Carland to give us her thoughts (remotely). I’ve admired Susan for a long time and I’ll be interviewing her for Mamamia in the next few weeks. Susan is a lecturer in sociology and politics at Monash University, where she is also completing her PhD. She was also a panelist on SBS TV’s “Salam Cafe” where I first saw her and exclaimed out loud “who is THAT? She is stunning and brilliant.”

Here’s what we all thought of Indelible Ink. Please share your thoughts in the comments.

Readings booksellers (where you can buy Indelible Ink for $27.94) had this guest blog by author Fiona McGregor:

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“I’ve been working on this book for more than six years, with time taken off between drafts for other projects such as my previous book Strange Museums, and various performance works.

The seed for the novel came from the story of a woman on the lower North Shore who after her divorce, when her seven children were grown, began to get extensively tattooed, then died. The notion of such radical change excited me: I grew up on the lower North Shore so I know the milieu well and the drastic implications of such behaviour within it. Also, as a body based performance artist, I was fascinated by the use of the body as vehicle of self-expression by a woman up until then very conventional. Tattooed myself, I have an insider’s understanding of the passion. I had met this woman briefly years earlier and knew one of her daughters but there was so little for me to go by that when I came to write the story I had to start from scratch.

As the book evolved, I found myself increasingly drawn to other aspects of the story – the three children all demanded to have their own lives explored, and so grew into main characters who take over the story at various points. I come from a big family and find it difficult to conceive of single voices and solo characters: community is fundamental. Families always imply multiple viewpoints, conflict, and chaos. They’re the places of original tragedy I think, where we enact our first murders and betrayals. They mark us for life.

Sydney went through significant changes while I was writing the book: more tunnels and freeways were laid, creating a more stressful mood and pace, segregating the city and pushing up prices. The police force obtained even greater powers and exercised them. Real estate skyrocketed. The latter is a national phenomenom but particularly acute in Sydney, and has meant huge losses to the artistic and left wing community: every year more are forced out. Real estate became one of the main sources of drama in the book, if not the main one. I can’t deny my political feelings about this: I know of no other nation so focussed on home ownership – economically, politically and emotionally. At the same time we have the world’s most ancient civilisation here – a culture whose very basis is its spiritual relationship to the land – which is still being denied its land rights and struggling to survive. I don’t think this is coincidental.

The biggest break in writing occurred in 2006, when just as I was due to begin another draft, my mother fell ill. She developed leukemia and died three months later. It was a surreally horrifying situation, and I couldn’t go back to my novel about a mother who dies of a terminal illness for some time. This is why I wrote Strange Museums. Ultimately, however, leaving the novel for that much longer, returning to it after the experience of losing my own mother, enriched the book although the story and characters didn’t change.

I began this novel towards the end of the Howard era when years of aggressively conservative policies had well and truly left their mark. I think we have become a more mean-spirited, narrow-minded, materialistic and nationalistic society, but this trajectory goes beyond Howard.

Ultimately, what hooked me most was just the story and characters, the constant little question, What happens if … ? More than ever before, I embraced the form of the traditional novel. It amazes me with its potential. It is infinite, like a country, teeming with all sorts of life, familiar in some ways but with much unmapped terrain. I didn’t really feel until I wrote Indelible Ink that I was a novelist. Now that I finally feel I am, the task seems even greater, but more joyful too, and paradoxically much more attainable.”

So, what book is next for the Mamamia Bookclub?

Got it? So get busy, buy or borrow I Don’t Know How She Does It by Alison Pearson and get ready to join us again for our next bookclub in August……

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    Julie Forbes

    I read this book when it first came out – and now – over 2 years later, I still think about it. I found it confronting, distressing and it wasn’t the easiest book to read, but for some reason it’s really stuck with me. I’ve recommended it to many many people, and all have raved about it.

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    Joy

    Didn’t enjoy reading this book, however a friend had bought it on my recommendation (after seeing it would be read for Mia’s book club), so felt I really should battle through it.

    As others have mentioned, the “c” word is quite confronting, and used too liberally for my liking. I’m always a bit squirmy when a woman chooses to use it, as I associate it as a word that men use in a derogatory way.

    I think the book could have benefited from having a couple more likeable characters.

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    Amy

    I could hardly put this book down and really did enjoy it. As someone about to leave Sydney after ten years here, I think it so cleverly summed up so much about this city – the good and bad. So it may be too close to the bone for those striving for a piece of the action in the harbour city, as it is so very critical. Don’t let that put you off though, it is a great book and even if you don’t like it, it will make you think!

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    Tracey Foster

    I agree with you Louise, minimal research regarding the palliative care…I felt the book was largely autobiographical, as I read about the authour in Spectrum in the Herald a few months ago. So much of the author’s life was regurgitated in the novel, i.e, Fiona has had tatoos, lost a mum to cancer, worked as an escort ( mirroring Sheila in the book), rejected her faith and is into B and D. So, all up , the book was tiresome. I would not recommend it.

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    Louise Ramsay

    I quite enjoyed the book, inspite of a lot of gratuitous swearing ( plenty of the “C” word). However, I thought Fiona’s research of her main charachter’s illness, and palliative care was so poor. The medication the woman uses is not possible with stomach cancer, whic, then, in an instant also becomes oesophageal cancer too ! To say that two morphine tablets were left on the bedside table in a hospital is not possible ! They are DANGEROUS drugs, and nurses dont do that.
    Other major flaws in the book were that the hospital nurse then did the home nursing( this would not happen in a city, poss not the country either) and I think that at the start of the book there was a mention that the dentist sent her a reminder about her annual root canal treatment..again, root canal therapy is not an annual event, it is something that an individual peresents for when they have a severely decayed tooth ( hopefully a one-off). Sorry, Fiona, but the medical research was shabby, and it ruined the end of an otherwise good book. The whole reason why nurses and doctors dont leave dangerous drugs lying around is so that the thing Marie did (euthanase herself) is simply NOT possible.

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      amandarose

      Exactly- That part all annoyed me- Pethadine????- only pregnant women get that. Smoking in Hospitals- It´s not even allowed out side- that is why you see footpaths full of people holding drips outside hospitals. Endone Suppositories? First I have heard of it. Durogesic patches last 3 days so why would she pop one on in Hospital and it has ¨worn off¨ on the car ride home. Just kicking in more likely. All those details could have been fixed by a medical type person proof reading it.
      Having said that it did tap into the emotion of dying and I found it helped me reconnect with the feelings of loss and love for my own mother who died a few years back( over 3 weeks and all of it in a coma- so much less traumatic then cancer) and I felt I regained the memory of my mother love again- something I had lost the ability to feel. So while the first half of the book I found slow it was emotionally a healing book for me.

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        Louise Ramsay

        Hi Amanda Rose, I am sad to hear about your mum, and I am glad to hear that the book helped you..I too have lost a parent to cancer, and the palliative care was superb, nothing like the way it was depicted in the book, which seemed to be set in an acute care hospital.I am sure that watching your mum in a coma must have been awful. I do recall the “benefit” of cancer is that you get a chance to say everything that needs to be said, and my father said that he prefered that to a “tap on the shoulder” and dying instantly of a heart attack.Mind you, as someone did say to me at the time, you should not need a serious illness to remind you to say the things that need to be said..and so, people, that is the lesson today…hug your children/partner/parents/friends TODAY.

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    AmyKate

    Overall I was disappointed with this book. I don’t think I would have finished it if it wasn’t part of bookgroup and I was really keen to take part in the online style of discussion. I felt the book was ‘lacking’ in something. When I read the authors note who said she went away and then came back to it, it made sense…it was disjointed. The characters were not just unlikable but I felt they were very underdeveloped in parts. By having so many complex issues in one family we never go a true sense of those issues, why they were there / how they came about. I think the scene with Blanche and her dad was unnecessary and added nothing other than a bit of information we could have received another way. It felt like it needed someone to come through and tie the whole thing together. It just didn’t have that polished finesse of a great book that, for example, Christos Tsiolkas’ The Slap had.

    I did like how there were many issues in there that are very relevant in todays society;
    - kids growing up and women of a certain generation experiencing ‘empty nesters’ syndrome
    - women in the workforce with children
    - Abortion (was shocked Blanche had had 2 before, as well as Marie and the relaxed attitude they both seemed to have towards this)
    - Homosexuality, except it wasn’t really discussed other than the standard stereotypes
    - The fact that so many people have inter-marital affairs
    - Jealously and its destruction
    - Tattoos and their bi-polar like/ dislike in society
    - Upper class Australian life and harnessing yet dismantling some of the stereotypes
    - Children seeking approval from their parents even when they are adults themselves
    - Children’s obesity
    - The frustrations of a parent with a child and the guilt they feel
    - Money and not understanding how hard it is to make it and therefore ‘throwing’ it away

    I’m part of a book group with some girlfriends and was expecting a similar type of discussion but was a little let down at the feedback from people and lack of themes discussed by Mia and Paula. I think what we have seen is more of a review and feel that some more discussion on a deeper level about some of the issues mentioned above would make this type of online exchange of views more interesting for those of us at home. But great work on the idea and looking forward to the next one.

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    Dulcie

    Ahhhhh, I”m so late to join this discussion. I must admit that I didn’t finish the book on time but wanted to add my thoughts, having just finished the book tonight..

    The sense of discomfort didnt occur to me but I did feel strangely removed from the main characters. In retrospect, and as a result of the partial discussion I have read here, perhaps that was deliberate.

    Susan was the biggest biatch and Marie the victim / matyr. But, was she??? I wonder if she conceptualised her life (before the book began) as a sacrifice to everyone else… her husband, her two best friends (who both horribly betrayed her), her children (to whom I felt very little affinity except Clark when with Sylvia) And, as the book began, Marie began to ‘take control’ of her life.

    I’m not sure how to have a book discussion via internet because I often dont know what I think until I’ve said it but, I’ll try to offer some reflection, even though I’m a week late and everyone’s moved on,,……

    I felt for Marie but I didnt like her. Some of the writing was incredible, other parts seemed laboured and clunky – and perhaps they were the uncomfortable sections. The children as characters were not accessible to me as the reader but, I suspect, that was deliberate. I liked the shift in perspective between the characters. Blanche was two dimensional at times, as Mia pointed out….but so was Clarke, and so was Leon. Having said that, I still learnt a lot about them, and their world.

    As a child, brought up in sydney’s east, with friends from sydney’s north, a lot of the people and places were familiar to me – in a way they may seem as caricatures to others. Perhaps, though, this made them more repulsive to me.

    The political themes weren’t lost on me but they certainly didn’t hit me over the head (which I appreciated). Many subplots are worthy of lengthened discussion.

    As a latecomer to the book review, I dont want to indulge too much but, overall, I consider this to be a three and three quarter star book. It wasnt a book I would ordinarily pick up, then, having picked it up, I struggled at first with wanting to continue,…..But god, I’m glad I did!

    There’s a lot to get out of this book, both as a Sydney sider and an Australian as well as a reader in general, with an interest in psychology, sociology, and politics…

    Ohhhhh, I have so much more to say but I’m not used to the internet style of discussion. I felt that The Slap was a far more successful endeavour, but I am so thrilled to have read and shared this book.

    Thankyou Mia, Paula and especially, Fiona. Thankyou.

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    Trish

    Like Mia, Paula, Susan and a lot of the other commentors, I found this book uncomfortable. I found that it was not a page-turner and hard to read, but at the same time I could not wait to keep reading it. In the end I was glad I read it, although I found none of the characters likeable, in fact I found a lot of them quite annoying. The characters didn’t seem “real” to me. I couldn’t relate to any of them and I found them to be very guarded and not their true selves at all.

    And Rexona? Really?

    On another note, this bookclub is a great idea, loved the vids, love the discussion and can’t wait to get next months book.

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    Mia

    We’re aware that the format of this bookclub video isn’t ideal.
    Nor is our clunky editing!
    It’s very much a work in progress so any suggestions you might have about how to do it next month would be welcome!!!

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      MelC

      Hi Mia,
      The ‘notify me of comments via email’ isn’t working still…and i still get the GD star rating instead of a thumbs up.
      (sorry – just wanted to get that out of the way!)

      It would be great to do a goto meeting style (where you are all linked up separately. The finished file size is also pretty low.

      Can we pull out a couple of themes about the next book (which i so loved, but felt so stressed reading!). anyhoo, there some pretty distinct opinions themes…maybe focus on that?

      Looking forward to the next one!

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      Book Reader

      I’m loving the idea of this and have just bought a copy of the new book. I love that I feel compelled to read books I may not normally go for.

      Mia, my suggestion for the next video would be to please eat before or after you have done the recording, as I found that extremely distracting, and couldn’t finish watching the full clip because of it. Although the editing didn’t bother me as much as it seemed to bother other people.

      Keep up the good work otherwise!

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      Dulcie

      I liked it. I dont care if the editing is clunky, and don’t need a typed review. I’m struggling a little bit with how to engage in book review without physically being a part of the discussion but I’m sure I’ll improve with this new medium – with a little bit of practice. Reading others’views helped develop my own. I really appreciated the link to the author’s interview. An attached radio / TV interview would be great too(if it exists).

      A theme based discussion thread could work really well.

      Oh, and i hardly noticed you eating breakfast – I think it’s ridiculous that people would object to eating.

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      Flotsam

      I didn’t mind the video, it was easy to watch. A little disorganised but I operate that way, too!

      How about a written reading guide? Just a few dot points in the post to get people thinking? Similar to what AmyKate has put up there ^^

      Or for Mia or another Mod to raise these points during the discussion? Pop in and raise a question about the book as the comments progress?

      Just my thoughts….

      On online book club is tricky, I tried it elsewhere (with a much more limited readership than here) and it fizzled out after the second books. :(

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    Natalie

    Yay- Got the next book today

    Looking forward to getting my little one to bed, my partner off to work and jumping into bed early to get started on it!!

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    MM

    Uncomfortable? Yes. But an enticing and fascinating book also. I felt that a really key element of the book was the selling of Marie’s life long home. I felt that the house was part of Marie – a metaphor of her own life. The selling/auctioning of the house which involved clearing/emptying objects and memories built over a lifetime and this mirrored Marie’s own physical and psychological journey-
    The demise of the house and the garden paralleled the demise of Marie’s health. However she accepted she had to sell her home and I feel in the end she was accepting of her inevitable death. Her body and the tattooing was Marie’s way of reclaiming her life and dealing with the changes occurring around her….
    So happy you enjoyed this book- I felt is was an amazing read!!

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    rainbow

    i bought ‘i don’t know how she does it’ from angus and robertson for 10 bucks a couple of weeks ago!!!

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    Fi Shep

    I have ordered this months book online – I tried the local library, and also eBay !!! I can’t wait to get it and start reading, its sounds like just what i need…thanks !!

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      Kris2040

      I got it at my library (Leichhardt) yesterday! I was a bit surprised it was there. Usually any book club books there have a big waiting list. Stoked!

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    Candy

    I found that the video seemed very stilted. It was obviois that it had been filmed seperately and chopped to be put together which seemed a bit awkward, sorry. It would be great if the next one could be recorded live – maybe kinda like the interview Mia did with Erica Bartle from Girl With a Satchel when her book first came out? – with Mia & Paula together on one side and the other contributor linked up via skype or something?
    And maybe Mia could let Paula finish her sentences :-) When does Lifestyled go live?
    I enjoyed the book though.

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      Mia

      I have a terrible interrupting problem. Just ask my husband…..

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    Leah

    Hmm. I’m not really sure what to say about this book. It wasn’t exactly a fun book to read and I really disliked almost all of the characters but I didn’t find it hard to read like some others. In fact, at some points I found it hard to put down.

    I’m definitely looking forward to the next book. After having my daughter and doing the part time work/mum juggling act, I’ve found myself drawn to books that tackle the topic of combining motherhood and career.

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    Aimee

    This is my first post on Mamamia. Needless to say I’m very excited about the book club.

    I can’t say I enjoyed Indelible Ink. I felt like I was forcing myself to read it, pushing through to the end.

    I agree that it was an uncomfortable read – at times even vulgar (I know that is a strong word, but it seems fitting).

    On a positive note, I enjoyed the tattoo dimension of the book. I found it a fascinating adjunct to the story, symbolising much of the change that Marie was experiencing.

    I also found the children/siblings more interesting than the main character. I found myself wishing I knew more of their lives than Marie’s.

    Marie left me with a feeling of sadness and boredom. I understand not all main characters have to be world-conquering, amazing people, but Marie’s persona was so much the opposite to this (weak, unsure, reliant etc) that it left a bad taste in my mouth.

    Bring on the next book!

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    TheDutchJess

    I watched the video & read through the comments nodding my head, because I pretty much agree with everything that’s been said so far.

    I also found this an uncomfortable book, it was the first book in a while that I’ve had to take breaks from. It’s definitely not an easy read. And it took me a while to get into as well, in the beginning I felt like I would never finish it.

    I thought her writing style was brilliant, she has an incredible way with imagery, and that was what really drew me in, how well she can paint that picture in your head. The story flowed really well, the only time the flow was interrupted for me was whenever she used the C word. For some reason, I don’t even flinch if I hear it, but I hate seeing that word in writing.

    I agree with a comment below that said it was “raw”…to me, that somes it up perfectly. It was real, and gritty, and flawed…I think I enjoyed the book more for that. And I wholeheartedly agree – the characters were AWFUL. I didn’t like any of them, with the exception of Rhys. That ‘friend’ of Marie, Susan, oh she made me feel sick. She was horrible.

    The thing that irritated me…and it’s a pretty minor complaint actually…was that the Russian characters name was Natasha. Really? It seems that every fictional Russian character I come across is Natasha. Are there really no other names?? Anyway, thats what I thought…

    Overall, I think it was a brilliant first choice, and I’m glad I read it. Looking forward to next month!

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    Simone

    I’m glad I read the book. I agree it was an uncomfortable read. I really like Fiona’s writing style and use of language. It’s the first of her books I’ve read and I will definitely track down more of her work.

    I liked the way the facade of the ‘perfect, wealthy life’ was dismantled and you found that money does not buy happiness. I loved the way Marie changed into a more honest and real person as the book went along. I really loved her unlikely friendships with Rhys and Brian. It was kind of like all the bullshit of her life was stripped away and she found some goodness. I started off not liking Marie but by the end I was quite fond of her.

    I really liked the tattoo theme. I felt it was a physical reflection of the internal changes Marie was making. The more she moved away from her fake world towards truth and real beauty, the more ‘beautiful’ she became.

    I was disappointed with the ending. However after thinking about it for a few days I guess it was the only option. And a way she could take some control.

    I also found this book a prickly read. I won’t be recommending it to everyone but there are a few people I know who would really get a lot out of it.

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    anna

    Just bought next month’s book – it’s reduced at dymocks to $10 at the moment (down from $25)!

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    Rara

    Hi guys, if you are looking for a great site online for buying books then head to http://www.betterworldbooks.com. My mum recommended it to me as I live in Peru and getting English books is tricky. The postage is low and they give a percentage of their profits to fund literacy programs around the world. They also send a lot of books to Africa for schools there. They also buy up second hand books and so on to prevent them going to landfill.

    I am going to try and get a copy of the next book so that I can join in from the other side of the world.

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      Kris2040

      Wow Rara, that sounds like a great site! Thanks for the recommendation.

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    Jane

    After watching this and being drawn into the conversation about the book’s subject, tone, depth/content, and after reading all the comments below, I feel like I’ve missed out big time on a really meaty book with much to offer.
    Alas, tis not to be for the moment, as (Susan, you’ll attest to this – likely synchronicity at “work” as I type though you’re not my lecturer, yet), I have Monash’s monstrous HPL and SCY readers PLUS prescribed text books for each of the subjects, surrounding my space as we speak. PLUS an essay deadline of next week – incredible amounts of readings to get through and I’m really and truely up to my eyeballs….. books surroundong me on either side. How I’d just love a little time and space moratorium to curl up on the couch with a good novel :-)

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      Susan Carland

      Stop reading blogs and get back to your reading pack this minute if you don’t want to fail! (I kid, I kid – I’m not lecturing SCY this semester, so you’re safe from me). Nice to see a fellow Monash-ite on the site :)

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    Kris2040

    I didn’t even finish it. And I rarely do that with books. I really struggled to read it, just wasn’t that interested in the characters. I thought they were all jerks, and couldn’t even see how they had got married or whatever. I felt a bit sorry for Marie and quite liked that she went and got her tatts, and I liked Rhys, but apart from that I couldn’t relate to any of them AT ALL.

    Will definitely check out I Don’t Know How She Does It though.

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      Flutterby

      I’m time poor at the moment Kris. Given I generally resonate from all your posts, I think I’ll skip the “ink” book (I have an aversion to tattoos) and go straight to “I don’t know how she does it”.

      I’m intrigued because that’s something I hear a lot. That’s why I’m Flutterby, I don’t do anything for more than 5 minutes because I’m doing everything.

      I watched Rachael at the wedding – a movie about self-centred people and that’s hours of my life I want back so I’m not going to do that with a book.

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        Mich

        Agree – with you there fb. When they said ‘Rachel at the wedding’ I didn’t realise I would have to sit through every single guest giving a speech or singing a song – or BOTH. And then watch them dancing to entire songs…it would have benefited from some editing and some sympathetic characters!

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    MsK

    I agree with most of the other comments. I read the book and normally I love reading and speed through books, but I found this one really hard going. I think it’s because I couldn’t relate to any of the characters. I think I spent most of my time shaking my head in disbelief that they could each be so self-centered with no apparent consideration to how their actions affect the people around them.

    On the other hand, when I finally reached the end of the book I was glad that I had read it. I learnt a few things from the book and was proud that I’d made it all the way to the end of what I would call a pretty confronting book. That being said, I don’t think it’s the sort of book that I would recommend to my friends or family, but that might be because I see reading and books as a way to escape/relax and I didn’t find the world that I escaped to in this book particularly pleasant.

    I’m looking forward to the next book. I haven’t read I don’t know how she does it so I’m off to scout myself a copy.

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      JC

      I completely agree MsK. It also kinda put me in a bad mood when I was reading it, like I was annoyed with the characters, which was a bit off putting.

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    Jane

    Love this idea of an interactive book club online. Will go out and buy the next book and will look forward to joining in on the next one!

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    sarah

    Loved the discussion and found the three of you so engaging. Thank you.

    DEFINITELY going to get the next book!! Sounds exactly like my type of read.

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    guest reader

    I was rivited by this book!

    Just couldn’t look away. Agree about it being uncomfortable. MacGregor really cuts to the quick and underlines some really uncomfortable truths. One of the things I loved about this story was the bravery, and the breadth of characters. I felt like I ‘knew’ so many people in this novel. They were my parents deeply conservative middle class friends, my best friend’s cheating father, my mother and her friends sacrficed potential careers to raise children and ended up with little more than houses when we left and made our own lives. I went to school with ‘Blanches’, I have brushed past ‘Rhys’ at burlesque nights, these people so exist!

    Blanches’ meeting with her father made me want to throw up. So deperate to please him and see good in his hurtful decision but the author doesn’t give in to sentiment or allow any relief.

    I loved that MacGregor resisted neat plotlines and comfort. It was really raw in parts. I know it made me examine my life and some of my less flattering beliefs, and the values I was raised with and choose to live by.

    I also loved how current it was, and so deeply Sydney. It can feel like there isn’t much refection or discourse in Sydney, we’re all go and future focused. I got alot out of reflecting on the way we live as a collective, and liked that there was room for differernt types of lives.

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    Forever However

    Great discussion! Loved it. Haven’t read the book and not too interested in doing so but I still liked the discussion around the issues it raised.

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    Dellie

    yay – I thought the title looked familiar and I ran to my bookshelf and realised I have this book… I havent read it though so what a good time to start!!

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    PG

    Agree with the other commenters about feeling uncomfortable while reading this book.

    Thank you very much Mia and Paula for starting this! I haven;t read I Don’t Know How She Does It, its been on my list of books to get so will get onto it!

    Great to read all the other comments.

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    JC

    Here are my thoughts,

    - I found it easy to read in terms of the writing style (flowed very nicely) but also a challenge in terms of the topics. I was really excited to read it so I could contribute to the bookclub discussion but felt a bit of a chore to read as I was a little bored with it.
    - I’m not sure if its my background, age or whatever but I really couldn’t relate to any character. I like to relate to aleast one aspect or character of a book. For me as it was so unlike anything or anyone in my life I felt like I was watching a movie with such spectacular special effects it actually made it unbelievable/unrealistic.
    - I understood and agreed with many of the points Paula, Mia and Susan made but didn’t find them that interesting???
    - I didn’t like the ending but I have not suggestions on how else it could end.
    - Glad I read it but wouldn’t recommend it.

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    Natalie

    First of all- thanks for starting up the book club.

    This is the first book I have read that hasnt been about my daughter whether it be a kids storybook or something medical- so thank you

    I too felt uncomfortable throughout the book, whether it be at the behaviour of the children or certain scenes ie Rexona.

    I believe in the end Marie wasnt getting her tattoos for the sake of them I thought it was more about her relationship with Rhys.

    I loved what Susan brought up with the connection of the tattoos and Marie’s garden and I also loved the point that Mia brought up about learning what goes on in parts of day to day life that we arent familiar with ie the gay party scene

    I am glad that I read this book and look forward to the next one

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      LauraC

      I forgot about the Rexona.. yeah that was a bit weird!!!

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    roar2me

    Whilst I found it hard to get into initially, in the end I really enjoyed it. I even shed a tear at the end. I agree with others, that some of it was a little confronting and made me feel uneasy, but I think it was this unease that kept dragging me back. I loved those selfish children compared with the generous spirits of the ‘tattooed’ people and I loved that in the end Marie got what she wanted too.

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    LauraC

    I genuinely liked actually, loved this book. I thought it was so well written and the fact that the circumstances and characters were so real and not contrived made the book so much more worthwhile to read.

    (Spoiler alert) I loved the ending, I thought that it was messy and perfect and in a way how real life actually happens. It felt like you were right in the moment with the children just before they found out about their mother.

    I’m not a fan of chicklit so I love any book with a bit of meat in it – it was a bit hard to get into it but in the end I wanted to go to bed early so I could read what happened next in Marie’s story.

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    RoxieRoux

    I found “Indelible Ink” to be quite confronting and a real page turner. I agree with the other commenters who mentioned its starkness. It’s certainly not sugar-coated.
    I got the feeling that at the end of her life the main character Marie was at peace that she had completed her journey. The artwork of tatoos on her body had been finished, her longtime home and beloved garden had been sold. I found it an incredibly sad book at times. As a devoted cat lover I could relate to Marie’s love for her cat Mopoke and could understand Blanche’s desire to bury the dear family pet with dignity. I enjoyed reading the specific references to locations in Sydney and reading a book that was so current.

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      Mia

      That scene with the dead cat was when I loved Blanche the most.

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        RoxieRoux

        Totally agree Mia.

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        Flotsam

        Yes, I think it showed her as someone with feelings and warmth which hadn’t been seen up until then.

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    Mel

    Even though I also found this book challenging, I’m glad I read it. It forced me to think about a few things that are uncomfortably close to home. I have relatives and friends who define themselves by their post code, and it’s so easy to get swept up in that world. I also found the children’s sense of entitlement quite sad, and their treatment of their mother as a burden, an obligation, after all she had given up for them.

    Overall, I didn’t like many of the characters. I found myself wishing that Marie would do more for herself after her divorce. She spoke about returning to uni and working and those parts made me excited and then utterly disappointed when she did neither. I sort of understand the whole tattoo thing, reclaiming her body and I guess that was her prerogative—and her friendship with Rhys was interesting too. But I wanted a bit more from her to prove that she was a stronger woman than what Susan, her ex-husband and her children perceived her to be. For me, the tattooing was a way for her to dissent against her society’s expectations and ideals, but I found it too passive. And I know the point was that she did it for her and not anyone else but I also think that after all her tattooing, her issues were still there: her spoilt children, her addiction, her lack of self worth. I found this to be a sign that we often think a change to our external can cure all the big problems, which are always right back where we left them after a while.

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    Redhossy

    First of all, I have to say thank you Mia and Paula for suggesting Indelible Ink as the first Mamamia book club book. I wouldn’t have chosen it for myself, but I guess that’s the beauty of a good book club, to read things you wouldn’t ordinarily read.
    Wise words all three of you, reviewers! And many of them had me nodding and ‘mmmm’-ing in agreement. A bit like you Paula, I read the whole thing with the hairs on the back of my neck standing up feeling a bit squirmy. I found the book fascinating, uncomfortable and often confronting. It was beautifully written and an incredibly insightful snapshot into Sydney life, or at least one facet of it.
    A couple of notes: in my head I pronounced the main character “Maaar-ie”, probably after two VERY North Shore blondes I knew growing up. But horses for courses.
    Also, every time Fiona Macgregor used the C word (and she used it often, and very casually as a noun) I almost broke out in a rash. Can’t help it. Just. Cant. Do. That. Word.
    One thing that really stayed with me was Marie’s conversation with Rhys about how hard we are on our mothers. I will never forget that part. As my own mother is becoming increasingly frail I can’t help but analyse our relationship and how it has changed and our roles have changed within it, so that really hit a nerve for me.
    I have given the book to my mum now, and I can’t wait to hear her thoughts on it too.
    So WOW, off to a cracking start! I’m on the case for I Don’t Know How She Does It. This is fun! Wheeeee!

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    MadisonC

    I’m sorry, I can’t get past Paula’s make up. What happened? Why so over bronzed? I can’t watch the video’s its too annoying for me.
    (and PJ I normally think you are fab!)

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      Flotsam

      Unnecessary, MadisonC.

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      Mel

      I didn’t even notice this. Why so catty?

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        MadisonC

        Um, not catty. It’s feedback (just as girlfriends give each other).

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          Miss M

          Pretty sure you wouldn’t give that type of blunt ‘feedback’ to someones face… remember, even if it’s written anonymously, it’s hurtful (and unnecessary).

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      Jasmine

      Is it the makeup or too much fake tan? I’ve seen Paula close up and she is STUNNING, with a capital ‘S’ – she is naturally very very beautiful – but I gotta agree with MadisonC that I found it quite distracting in that I just kept staring at her trying to work out what was going on.

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        Jess

        I didn’t realise this was a ‘pick crap out of Paula’s makeup’ – I thought we were discussing a book?

        Those silly ‘comments’ are best left on other forums, me thinks.

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      Paula Joye

      That’ll teach me to do my make-up in the car on the school run before I’ve had my coffee. Please don’t let my choice of bronzer turn you off the book or the club. Next time I promise to look in the mirror before I jump in front of the camera. PJ

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        Ali

        I think you looked great!

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          Susan

          Sorry Paula, I’m sure none of us meant offence! we just expect you to look like the lifestyled photo all the time!
          its the fact you’re pretty (As both Madison & Jasmine agree) we couldn’t work out what was different. I though maybe an LA Tan?

          And ladies….I would say it it at a dinner party to a girlfriend. I think Madison (sorry if i’m taking words out of your mouth) was meaning that we see so much of Mia & Paula it feels like you can say it.

          No offence Paula. Youre a hottie!

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            MadisonC

            Wow Susan, take the words right out of my mouth any day, you were far more eloquent. I’m sorry if I offended someone, I just found it distracting.
            Please note there was no malice intended. I was just surprised Paula didn’t look like her lifestyled photo! :)

            Ok now back to the book.

            Oh and yes, I do say these things to my girlfriends, and I would say it at a dinner party – aren’t people honest anymore.

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            MadisonC

            Wow Susan, take the words right out of my mouth any day, you were far more eloquent. I’m sorry if I offended someone, I just found it distracting.
            Please note there was no malice intended. I was just surprised Paula didn’t look like her lifestyled photo! :)

            Oh and yes, I do say these things to my girlfriends, and I would say it at a dinner party – aren’t people honest anymore? Why does honesty always equal malice (don’t people tell you when you’re makeup’s had a ‘moment?!!’

            Ok now back to the book..!

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        Sammi

        People that is what a women in her late 30′s looks like, lets not put pressure on Paula to look like a studio photograph..

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    Flotsam

    I’m finding writing my thought about this book a little confronting as I don’t want to offend the author. But, here goes…

    I did find it easy to read. I liked Fiona McGregor’s writing style. The book flowed nicely.

    But I found the characters so selfish, privileged and ANNOYING. None of them seemed to not want to take responsibility for anything and that includes Marie. Most of the time I just wanted to smack them.

    The ending particularly annoyed me as I felt she suicided (sorry if I’ve spoilt that for anyone!) so as not to have to deal with moving out of the house, leaving her kids to sort out her mess. Yes, I know she was dying and I’m not against euthanasia, but her death didn’t seem to be about preventing pain. More like running away. Or that the author got bored and just wanted the book to finish.

    I didn’t see the tattoos as a way of expressing or reclaiming herself, but as another way of not facing up to life. Distracting herself from the fact her life had fallen apart and she needed to sort it out.

    So, I didn’t hate the writing style, but I didn’t like the characters.

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      Mia

      Yeah Flotsam, the end was interesting. To me, it felt like the only thing she could do and I was almost relieved. Is that awful?
      I felt sick at the thought of her having to move out of the house and die somewhere cold and impersonal, without any of the history of the house she loved so much…..

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        Flotsam

        Not awful at all. I hadn’t thought of her dying somewhere else, I guess it was more suitable that she died in the house she was so attached to. I did hope the daughter didn’t put her in the freezer, though. ;-)

        I sound a bit scathing in my thoughts but I class a book as ‘good’ is I’m keen to get into bed and read it at the end of the day. And I was with this one.

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    Bookworm

    I found it an uncomfortable read too.
    I’m all about escapism and the fantasy genre, so reading about plain stark reality is never a fun time for me.
    I found the family depressing and the characters unlikable (except for the tattoo artist). Everyone seemed so selfish and self-absorbed.

    What I liked about it was the author’s writing and descriptions. She was great at painting a mental picture with a few paragraphs, and though her characters were mostly unlikable she described them very well. Her style- the lush, sensual imagery made me think of the book Maestro by Peter Goldsworthy.

    On a different subject, Susan it was a joy to watch you speak, you have such amazing eyes. :-)

    Looking forward to reading the next book!

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      Bookworm

      And can I suggest The Onion Girl by Charles de Lint as a great book for the book club list. :-)

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    frankie

    Unfortunatly I didn’t read “Indelible Ink” but so as to not miss out again I have just got the second book from ebay. Quite a bargain too, although not as good as the $1 bargain mentioned.

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    Laws for Clouds

    This book was $40 at my local, which I thought was a bit steep, so i was going to go home and order it online as it was reserved at the library for some time (MamaMia readers?). As I flicked through it, I found the writing really difficult.

    So, I gave it a miss. Particularly since Dad managed to pick up the entire Neville Shute (A Town Like Alice, On The Beach) back catalog at my local Lions for $20 for me. Thanks Dad!

    Which brings me to a suggestion, how about a classic book one time? Something that was really panned by the critics when it came out, and you can put them up here.

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      Jacksta

      My bookclub has just finished reading To Kill A Mockingbird which is a classic although it wasn’t panned when it came out – always been a fabulous read. We are comparing it this month to Craig Silvey’s book “Jasper Jones” which deals with similar issues but is set in Australia.

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        Laws for Clouds

        Actually I think To Kill A Mockingbird was criticised, there was some talk about it on the First Tuesday Book Club.

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        Asher

        I loved Jasper Jones. Awesome book!

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      Kris2040

      I recently re-read A Town Like Alice. I love that story so much. Love a good warry!

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    Kylie L

    I just LOVED ‘I don’t know how she does it’. Excellent pick- can’t wait for that one :)

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    Flotsam

    I’m still watching the video but just a suggestion – could we get some of the thoughts in text?

    Thanks!

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      Kings Tribune

      YES!! Not that I would ever be at work and pretend to be working VERY hard while I’m reading MM, indeed not, but sometimes the video might be a bit intrusive for the people around me. It’s pure unselfishness.

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        wokka

        i also reallly struggled with this book, by about page 200 i just could be bothered anymore, A really laborious struggle to find any of the characters engrossing enough for me, and the story not much better.