Does Kanye West have a problem with women? And not just Taylor Swift? His latest video for his new single “Monster” is causing huge controversy with it’s depiction of women, specifically dead women. With half-naked corpses hung from the ceiling, vacant eyes and limp bodies, he either deliberately wanted to stir up a storm (cynically repugnant) or didn’t realise anyone would mind (alarming repugnant). Mamamia contributor and journalism academic Nina Funnell looks at how dead seems to be the new sexy.
First of all here’s the clip:
Nina writes…
What do you think of music video clips these days? Too sexy? Too raunchy? Too smutty? Well, not me. I’m going to go out on a limb and say today’s video clips are not sexy enough. In fact, they are not sexy at all. And they never have been.
Watching heavily made-up women squeeze into too tight clothes and ridiculously high heels before grinding back and forth on an imaginary phallus, all while trying to maintain their contrived ‘come-hither’ look and big hair, does not make me think about sexual intimacy, true sensuality or deep and satisfying physical pleasure. It just looks like bloody hard work.
Video clips said to be too sexual rarely offer anything other than a contrived, heavily choreographed and deliberately manufactured version of a hollow and artificial sexuality. It’s all so sad and so predictable.
While many commentators argue that video clips over-sexualise women, the real problem is they actually deny the sexuality of women all together. Instead of analysing the clothes and dance moves within these clips, we should look at how desire functions.
As so often in popular culture, women are expected to appear desirable, but to be completely lacking in all desire of their own. The best example of this is Britney Spears in her Hit me baby days and Jessica Simpson circa 2002. Both Spears and Simpson stated they were virgins and intended to remain so until marriage. Meanwhile, they would grind back and forth wearing tiny outfits all designed to titillate. In other words their sexuality was to be consumed and enjoyed by everyone except themselves.
The “sexually rapacious virgin” is just one paradox of our sexualised pop culture. But a while back I began to wonder where our sexualised pop culture is really heading. At some point all the bouncy hair, big boobs and tiny skirts just gets old. These days humping a pole is not so much risqué as passé.
So once sex (or rather, the limited and stereotypical representations of pop-culture sex) gets tired, what becomes the new frontier in risqué representation?
Well, if the new Kanye West clip for his single Monster is anything to go by, sexualised death might just be the answer. In the teaser to the clip, three dead women in lingerie and high heels swing back and forth from a metal chain, hanging from the ceiling. Another two young women are slumped on a bed, like lifeless mannequins as a man caresses them. Another woman is decapitated. And another lies spreadeagled on a table as a man eats raw meat from between her legs.
It’s not surprising really. If sexualising live women has become boring, why not sexualise dead ones?
Of course many people will defend the clip in the name of art. Others will say viewers have the capacity to differentiate between dark fantasy and reality. And fair enough. Viewers are far more competent and media literate than they are often given credit for.But there is another side to the debate. Recently commentator Melinda Tankard Reist criticised the blatant erotization of female death. In it she writes: “The men don’t seem horrified at all by the female corpses littered through the haunted mansion… In fact, they seem to quite like it. It seems to turn them on.”
“The clip is not only interested in fetishizing female bodies – it revels in fetishizing female pain, female passivity, female suffering and female silence. The ultimate female is the quiet, passive female – a mannequin – who accepts violence, abuse and suffering while remaining hot and sexy.”
As another commenter writes, “There’s nothing [overly] shocking or ‘taboo’ about this video. Men’s sexual desire to dominate passive, docile, ‘lifeless’ women has been a common theme in the arts throughout history. Indeed, many men disingenuously hide behind ‘art’ to defend this proclivity. But how often do you see black men hanging from trees or Jews being gassed in ovens ‘artistically’ to make a comment on racism or genocide, for example? It’s not likely to happen because that would be deeply offensive, even in the name of art. Women on the other hand are apparently fair game, even in a world where sexual and other male violence against women and girls is epidemic.
Since then a petition has been set up against the full clip being released.
So what are we to make of it? Is this just another articulation of our Twilight and True Blood inspired preoccupation with death and the eroticization of lifeless flesh? Is this clip an artistic exploration and commentary on the dark recesses of the fame game? Or is there something unusually twisted, grotesque and misogynistic about depicting and sexualising dead looking women in this context? And how does the meaning change depending on who is doing the looking and the cultural perspective from where they are looking?
Perhaps Kanye West is merely trying to be controversial and daring in an industry where sex (at least sex with living women) has become passe and predictable.
But if that’s the case, Kanye is a bit behind the times. After all, the fashion industry has been depicting and sexualising passive, pale, expressionless and lifeless looking women for eons. Models with skeletal bodies and vacant stares have been the standard in high-end fashion advertisements for some time now.
The irony is that if we’re talking about what most red-blooded heterosexual men actually find attractive, it is rarely a sickly looking corpse. Most men I know are attracted to women who are active and confident in exploring their own sexual pleasure.
Maybe one day, video-clips will get truly radical and start offering representations of actual, three-dimensional females complete with realistic sexual agency.
What did you think of Kanye West’s music video?










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All participants in this video need to apologize. This video promotes violence against women, the objectification of a woman’s body, impunity against murder, sexual violence, and the glamorization of suicide.
The women are silent and passive against violence. A man controls their body and they are nothing more then sexual objects. This is not art, this is oppression.
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Who is the director of this film? And why is there not one sane person in Kanye’s inner circle who told him the truth about this? That it’s sadistic, is not art and never ever will be while thousands upon thousands of women around the world continue to be brutalised, raped and murdered every day (3000 women are raped every day in Africa alone).
When did people forget that their number one priority as a human being should be to respect, honour and protect those around them?
In his song ‘Jesus Walks’ Kanye talks about wanting his God to walk with him. I wonder what his God thinks of him now?
I wish that this film wasn’t just banned, I wish it was the end of Kanye’s career.
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Kanye is so out of touch with reality. Kanye thinks Kanye is awesome, which is great as based on the comments below, I’m not the only one to think he is a giant doofus! Who else but an idiot would have their bottom teeth replaced with diamonds??
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I find this incredibly odd, haunting and perverted. I know the video is for a Kanye West song, but the opening credits include singers like Jay Z, so whilst its easy to bag out Kanye for this song, clearly a moral line has been crossed, and several influential people failed to recognise this. I cant begin to wonder what’s next in the music industry. Beastiality becoming a normal thing? Far out, this is NOT art.
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I am one of the few (on this site anyway) who thinks Kanye IS a musical genius. His new album rates as one of my favourite albums of last year and despite being on fairly constant rotation, it is one I have not yet gotten sick of.
I also agree with him that Beyonce deserved the best video of the year (but I think his method of protesting left a little to be desired). Taylor Swift is bread and butter “safe” and Americans, in particular, love that unrealistic image. Boring. Definitely not deserving of an award. Beyonce’s video (although an annoying song) was artistically brilliant and boundary pushing.
This is what I want from my music – I want to be challenged, to think, to be surprised at how the notes and lyrics come together. I want to walking around unable to get a song out of my head for all the right reasons.
I cannot stand “easy listening” stations or cookie cutter music. Kanye West pushes the envelope and this is what he has chosen to do with this video as well. And he certainly knows how to self promote – I mean, you now all know about this song dont you!
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Musical genius? Back in his College Dropout days (lyrically, I mean) I may have agreed with you. Musically, his more recent stuff is obviously a totally different thing altogether compared to when he debuted, but I don’t consider it anything special.
Really, though – have you heard Runaway? If that’s the work of a musical genius, the average musician’s IQ must have dropped about 50 points =P
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Hahahah your are hilarious Chrissy. Kayne West IS the epitome of easy listening. Your musical genre scope obviously isn’t too wide if you think a bit of sing songy rap is not easy listening. HA.
What a joke.
I don’t understand how anyone can think that singing about all the same shit “sluts” “bitches” and “i’m so fucking edgy and such an artistic genius” can be challenging.
If you think Kayne West is anything but easy listening you seriously need to get out more. From someone that listens to everything from classical to metalcore, power violence and blues I would pop on a Kayne West CD as a bit of a break from the real music, thought provoking lyrics, and examination of society that I get from the REAL, non easy listening music I listen to on a regular basis to educate myself.
Kayne West’s music is generic,commercialised, misogynistic, and conformist. If you really want to get into some real music which is not any of these things steer well clear of commercially produced pop albums masquerading as art.
Go ahead and admit you enjoy his music but please don’t try and inflate it as something “pushing the envelope.” Educate yourself on muscial genres, and all the great music out there which does push the envelope, before you start making such laughable statements.
If you want a taste of some music which really does push the envelope google a band called ‘Rape Revenge’ and then you’ll start to really get where I’m coming from.
Oh and can I just add there is nothing more cookie cutter than conformity, and as Kayne is a utter conformist, his music is entirely cookie cutter.
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After the Taylor Swift debacle, maybe this is the only way Kanye can get a date ??
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This is harsh! – but I can’t mask my contempt for Kanye! ugggg…
Kanye West is such a boring two dimensional nothing.
He always tries so hard to use the media as a way to project this ‘larger than life’, ‘great’ god like persona.
Like he’s bigger and better than everyone else- and he’s always working some new, ground breaking piece of genius {insert: doing nothing/designing a diamond encrusted watch in the shape of his own face?!}.
His persona is so staged, to the point where his try hard attempts of wearing sunglasses at night do nothing to set him appart from any other rapper.
The album “art” is pathetic.
Why doesn’t he just get married to Lindsay Loham so they can forever bask in each others narcissism?
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And ovcourse he’s going to pick dead women to objectify –
Meat dress has already been done so that’s the logical next step isn’t it??
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I find images of people hanging by their necks extremely distressing!
Most FILMS don’t show that, only their feet hanging.
How is this allowed!!!!
Did Kanye’s team just tell everyone that they’re dummies so that makes it ok?
NOT
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Only last week I was muttering something about Kanye West being a genius because I couldn’t (and in fact, still can’t) get the rather excellent ‘Runaway’ out of my head.
I’d like to retract that statement. Clever he might be, genius he ain’t. I think he’s morally bankrupt and just because he’s aware of it, that doesn’t make it OK.
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The fabulous part is all the kids we know will be watching these videos and thinking WTF. or worse, not thinking it, just absorbing it.
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Wait for the news headlines to come from America that some kid has actually acted this out.. God forbid.
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*shudder*
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To me this is quite morbid…from what is shown anyway. It’s more in line with horror genre than anything. If he is trying to make a statement I missed it entirely and would like to hear his take on it.
I remember when Lady Gaga turned up to an awards show swathed in an outfit made of meat and thought “WTF!!?”. Days later she explained the premise and the social connotations of the dress and funnily enough, she made sense and I had one of those “Ohhh! Cool!” moments. The unfortunate part is that sometimes these “controversial” pieces are left unexplained–and people are left to run with whatever sentiments the images bring to mind. Perhaps he had an entirely different point in mind. I might also add that perhaps our reactions to these images are more of a reflection of our own insecurities and fears concerning the female body than what some rapper has to say.
It is a hard one because it brings up so many other issues in our society: Oversensitivity? The Portrayal of women as submissive objects? The stereotyping of men as misogynistic pigs? So many avenues of discussion…
Do I hate it? Yeh, but only because I’m a scared-y cat!
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How about putting a full version of the clip up at the top of the page? A 40 second flash of a 6 minute video isn’t exactly showing the full picture (not that it’s a very pretty one).
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Nina’s story lets you know that this is the ‘teaser’ & that a petition has been set up against the full clip being released, which all implies that this is the “40 second flash” Kanye West’s team has chosen to release.
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Although it’s a leaked version, the whole thing is out there on the internet for all to see. You can see in the whole clip women performing some of the same things that concern Funnell so much ie. chowing down on a corpse, performing torture. I don’t particularly think that this is a redeeming quality yet I still think it’s important to take that into account when forming an opinion on the clip.
It isn’t great quality but here it is if anyone’s interested: http://www.wat.tv/video/kanye-west-monster-feat-jay-39mq7_2zicp_.html
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It was released several weeks ago…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLcJ_zzLdHA
I’m gobsmacked. I don’t even know what to say… except that I could see the industry heading in this direction, everyone trying to out-shock one another. I shudder to think what it will be like when my 2 year old is a teenager.
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Well, I’d bet my bottom dollar Kanye has no idea about “Arts through history”! Actually, my first thought was….has this guy killed someone and is making a “permanent memory”? It’s revolting….and I dearly hope my children develop my aversion to all things crappy and American like this revoting person.
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This one is a bit tricky. The whole clip isn’t there, so its hard to make a judgment on it. What I watched above, my first instincts were that it reminded me of horror films. We’ve never called for the horror industry to be shut down and plenty of women are targets in the movies. If there is men also being manipulated by women in the clip, well then what is the point of making a huge claim that Kanye is mysogynistic and promoting the abuse of women.
Rap/ hip hop music in my personal opinion has a long history of “abuse” of women, and for a long looooooong time relied on video clips sexualising women. Kanye is not reinventing the wheel there. The success of the genre has only grown in strength over the years, so we must accept that there is a huge demand for this music, which includes the visual aspects of it, which is often highly attractive, sophisticated (in terms of the making of the clip), fantasy stuff.
Obviously both women & men feel that this sexualisation is appropriate or the genre would not flourish. We all have responsibility here, its not just men forcing this on us.
I agree with other comments that GaGa & Beyonce were not strung up for their depiction of murder, so there is a double standard.
Finally, I enjoy Kanye’s music, yes he’s completely in love with himself & his fellow black music community as opposed to white country singers, but I actually do not think he’s any more mysogynistic than Ice T, Jay Z, Usher, Chris Brown, Run DMC, Salt n Pepper (who were always objectifying hot black men – and we loved every bit of it), etc etc. I think Kanye is sensational in his approach to everything (for his own financial & fame benefit) and this also makes him an easy target for journalists & others who have their own barrow to push, they’ve got topics on tap.
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oh and I wanted to add, I found the objectification of Robert Pattinson and Taylor Launtner (who was a teen in Twilight) by women well into their 30′s and 40′s & on, married with young teen children themselves, getting all hot n sweaty n horny, CREEPY. I hope I’m never confronted by a rerun of that Oprah episode again!!! hahahahha
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Hey Mia, do you think you might be able to get Tara Moss to do a follow-up piece? While it’s easy for me to turn my nose up at something like this, Tara is an expert on the horror genre. I’d love to know if she thinks this is offensive or art – or somewhere in between.
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Great idea PCV, we’ll certainly try
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Yay!
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The guy is a pig and a dickhead – as proven by his recent behaviour. The best thing we can do for his career is ignore him.
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I love how the Beatles just wanted to ” Hold your hand ” and that said a lot more than the crap today.
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Ew bit creepy. Very silence of the lambs. It will put the lotion on its skin…
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Firstly, I’d like to say how fabulous this article is. Congratulations, Nina, on writing an articulate, informed, informative piece which calmly dissects (sorry for the pun) the clip and this situation. *applauds*
Secondly, that video made my skin crawl. I didn’t get all the way through — it was too creepy and sinister for me. If this is where we’re headed, I won’t be watching any video clips in the future!
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Well, he definitely likes attention I think we all know that. And many artists do – so I’m not so surprised by this latest offering from Kanye West.
It’s disturbing and sad but I’m not sure how to stop it from just getting worse.
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Yuck, yuck and yuck to the video clip and I dislike intensely the cover of his CD “My beautiful dark twisted fantasy” as well. Once-upon-a-time – way back in the time of my youth, album covers enticed one to buy the contents – but not anymore. Video clips and album covers like those being discussed today immediately turn me off the product. I am even cynical enough to believe that the contents are probably rubbish if they have to resort to sensationalist covers and revolting video clips to sell them.
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You know this world is SCREWED UP when people don’t have an issue with this!! I feel so sad to think some people find this perfectly acceptable!! So sad!!
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I remember when music videos were videos of people playing music. And they all had clothes on. And the music was the most important thing. But I don’t consider what Kanye West does as music anyway.
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what, the 70s??
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yeah, & the 60s & the 80s, even into the 90s
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Kanye West and those of his ilk, are totally irrelevent. Therefore, they should be ignored.
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I’m not sure why you backed off and try to dismiss Kanye in the last few paragraphs (the ‘you’re so behind the times’ sentences, comparing cut up corpses to thin pale clothes models as if they are the same thing) – you were going for the throat and should have kept going. The article sort of flops at the end (maybe just me).
I quite like the new Kayne album, I don’t want to watch the vid because I feel it’ll ruin it for me.
Lastly, I cringe whenever I read quotes from Melinda Tankard Reist. Not so long ago she wrote an article about how it was morally wrong for Julia Gillard to be single and PM because it sent a bad message to young women.
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I’m in the same boat as you An Idle Dad. In fact, I really love the Kanye album. I’m disappointed about the video clip though and don’t intend to watch it.
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I’m with you, I find her writing not to my liking either and find it hard agreeing with her
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She was also very negative about the Urban-Kidman surrogacy, and also Stephen Conroy & his wife (which oddly I find worse, perhaps because they are more ‘regular’ people)..
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Exactly. Melinda Tankard Reist probably uses the same quote “only interested in fetishizing female bodies – it revels in fetishizing female pain, female passivity, female suffering and female silence” when discussing blue light discos.
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unbelief.org will tell you all about Tankard Reist’s connections with the right wing catholic organisation Opus Dei, and with fundamentalists like the Australian Christian Lobby, Festival of Light, and anti gay campaigner and religious ethicist Bill Meuhlenberg.
She founded the Australian Women’s Forum which is “pro life feminism” or “anti-choice feminism” depending on your point of view, and she publicly promotes her belief that there’s a direct link between abortion and breast cancer, even though that is entirely unproven.
Not that there’s anything wrong with any of that if it’s your thing. It’s just helpful to know where an author is coming from when they write their opinions. MTR never tells you any of her religious affiliations that affect her perception of broad issues.
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I don’t know about what secret squirrel connections she may have, but mostly her writing is women-should-get-married-and-stay-at-home-and-never-think-about-sex-unless-their-husband-wants-it claptrap. Her writing is very self-explanatory.
I quite like Nina, just she should cast a wider net for quotes than TR’s hysterical headlines.
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I think this reaction is oversensitive and I feel the article is a little misguided. The song is called monster and the video is embracing it as a theme.
Also, I encourage everyone to watch the full video, as the one posted with this article shows only the parts of the video that the author has a problem with (yes, I know that the author did not put together this video, but it was chosen to accompany the article for a reason). The full video also shows a woman dragging around a dead man and women feasting on dead men. If the video was just made up of that would we have a problem with the objectification of men? Nicki Minaj is also featured in the song and video, and is fast dominating the male rap world and paving the way for equality within this culture.
As always, I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion, and this is just mine, but please watch the full video and pass judgement. And I do understand why some people will have a problem with the video.
The video embraces a glamourized horror theme, and I think they executed it. The things you see in the video were included because, in the words of Nicki Minaj, “that’s what a mother******* monster do”.
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Nicki Minaj sounds like an intellectual giant with that comment, she has post-modernism all sewn up in that one erudite sentence. I rest my case.
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In the context of the whole video those images aren’t nearly as offensive. I agree, it’s very ‘glamourized horror’, almost like a modern day thriller.
The entire video should be posted with this article not just the few images that are most offensive.
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ABBA….please reform !!!!!!!!
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wow… i feel young!!! thanks
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Lol, yes please:)))))
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Strange….I was always under the impression that Kanye West thought that Kanye West was the new sexy !
Remember, no one is more fonda Kanye than what Kanye is of Kanye.
This person has the same affect on me as Nicole Kidman !
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Brilliant article. This video clip is wrong in so many ways, it is as much art as was the photograph of a topless young girl (aged around 12) were a few years ago. What ever happened to thoughtful, intelligent video clips? The aim here seems to be controversy.
http://www.silencingthemirror.blogspot.com
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“The clip is not only interested in fetishizing female bodies – it revels in fetishizing female pain, female passivity, female suffering and female silence. The ultimate female is the quiet, passive female – a mannequin – who accepts violence, abuse and suffering while remaining hot and sexy.”
The excerpt above is the clincher for me in this artical. Based on this rationale I think his concept for the video clip is disgusting and an insult to women. I’m not going to watch it, no way in hell I’m giving that guy any YouTube hits. I can’t believe our young adults are being fed this c*@p.
Mia, could you please post the link for the petition?
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Eewwwwww:( but really, probably not much worse than anything else in music videos today eg Lady Gaga, Nine Inch Nails. Wouldn’t bother giving him any publicity, he is just a big goose lol
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Nine Inch Nails? Can you elaborate on this comment I’m dying to know how you can compare anything Trent Reznor has done to this garbage.
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Big DISLIKE to Kanye.
I feel ill.
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What gets me is that they find models/actresses that are ok with being in a clip like this. Just shows that the moral vacuum is not limited to the ‘artiste’ or just men,it sucks in everyone in the hip hop/showbiz orbit. Frankly I find it foul, it just demonstrates why it is ok to ignore pop culture. I will play my violin as Rome burns thanks very much.
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good point
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Yes, I wondered this too- how desperate they must be for success/ fame/ money to accept this kind of work. I remember in America’s Next Top Model, an episode where they had the models posing in coffins lowered into the ground. And one of the model’s friend had died the day before, and they were telling her to just push through it. It all just makes me sick.
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I am a fan on Kanye West’s music. I am also a fan of the thought -provoking, and highly relevant comments and articles Nina Funnell has provided.
I think the mass sexualisation of women in music videos (which has been occuring for decades) is in many circumstances unnecessary, and sometimes, downright offensive.
However, I think making this particular video a target of this type of concern is a mistake.
The shock/horror/grotesque/macarbre form of music video is not new, and is clearly the genre Kanye is exploring here.
Arguably the best music video of all time – Michael Jackson’s ‘thriller’ – is a tamer example of it.
Lady Gaga’s ‘Bad Romance’, which ends with her in bed with a male skeleton – and implies she blew him up – is a more contemporary version.
Is that male skeleton a depiction of all men? I don’t think so. It’s supposed to be a dark, disturbing image.
Kanye’s video is for a song called ‘Monster’. It’s from an album called ‘My dark twisted fantasy’ – if dead women were being shown in a party or dating song – ah yes, cause for concern!!
But this musical expression of Kanye is about depicting dark themes, and it is ultimately as the ailbum title says – a fantasy.
Getting upset about this particular music video, is similar to going tp see a horror film & worry that any teenager who sees it will suddenly be inspired to kill people.
I think this video is, pure and simple, and exploration of dark & horror-like themes. Not gender themes.
Many people don’t care for darker material (fair enough!) but it doesn’t mean people shouldn’t have the right to express it.
Sadly, even in 2011, in Australia no less, many young women struggle with real forms of sexism & threatening behaviour in everyday life. This is a real cause for concern, and much more scary & disturbing than any music video of Kanye’s.
At least in my opinion.
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“exploration of dark & horror-like themes. Not gender themes.”
So the dead bodies *aren’t* all female? Or is that just a huge big coincidental coincidence?
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It’s open to interpretation Lulu, why he uses only women..
But if everyone in it is a depiction of an entire gender, then men should be offended that he is depicting all men as monsters. By that way of thinking.
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I don’t think it was a coincidence Lulu. I just don’t interpret it the way you do. Maybe he should have used both sexes, or maybe he used only women to further single himself out in the video as the ‘monster’.
I just don’t believe that the women in it are supposed to be a representation of all women. Or Kanye a representation of all men, for that matter.
Wasn’t Beyonce & Lady Gaga’s music video for ‘Telephone’ praised on this website?
Where was the outrage at Beyonce poisioning and killing her boyrfriend in it?! Was that a message for all men & women?? Of course not!
So why are Beyonce and Lady Gaga free to create music videos that people accept as art, without this type of scorn, and yet Kanye is not??
I think for some it’s the ‘love to hate Kanye’ aspect rather than a genuine concern than the use of women in music videos.
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You raise some good points re. talk of this clip as opposed to talk of Lady Gaga’s ‘Telephone’ on this same site.
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Actually there are also dead men in the full video. But that isnt mentioned in this article.
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It kinda bothers me that Nina hadn’t looked at the video in its entirety before writing this article- its been on Youtube for weeks and I found it in a second. It is mostly dead women but there are dead men as well. Not that I like the video or agree with the content at all- but her argument is that its degrading only to women. What about the men? Is it OK for them?
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I know! It’s worrying when journalists who are “informing” us do so with the smallest amount of information.
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I’m a fan of Kanye’s music too, this album is fantastic.
I’m interested to see the whole clip, from the point of view that the album is incredibly dark, clearly dealing with issues and imagery from the nightmare of his mother’s death.
I’m also interested to see how the clip deals eith Nicki Minaj’s verse, which I think is the stand-out on a track full of superstars.
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I can see why you’d raise ‘Thriller’ as an example of this genre, but I would disagree with you on that point.
The dead people in Thriller were already dead and buried, and they came up as zombies (yes, dead) but they were both male and female, animated and seemingly in control of themselves. And MJ became an obvious monster himself, one of the freaks. It wasn’t us & them.
Kanye’s corpses are recently-dead female victims of murder or suicide and are being used as passive, sexual objects.
I’ve honed in on a tiny point in your very thoughtful comment, but I mean no criticism of your other thoughts! I still think Kanye’s video is repugnant but your comments were very thought provoking, thanks.
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There is a big difference regarding the use of dead people in the two videos, I agree AdventureMum.
Thriller was the first example that popped into my head(cause I love that vid) and it probably wasn’t the best example.
I mentioned Gaga, and Beyonce above (there are many,many more) to try and address that using death is not a new concept in music videos at all… I think Mia’s title ‘Kanye thinks dead is the new sexy’ is a little off for that reason. Mia applauded Gaga & Beyonce in a video where they poison people. They were afforded creative licence but Kanye is not?
thank you for reading my comment, I think I’m in the minority on this blog!
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I think the poisoning in the Gaga vid, still portrayed them more as actual humans, instead of inanimate objects so therefore the comparason does not resonate with me on that one.
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‘Getting upset about this particular music video, is similar to going tp see a horror film & worry that any teenager who sees it will suddenly be inspired to kill people.’
I agree that its highly unlikely that a teenager will go out and directly intend to harm someone as a result of the video clip. However it’s started to be proven that this sort of material is starting to affect the way teenages think about the world around them. My brother is a GP and he told me the other month that they are seeing a dramatic increase in depression and anxiety within teenages, especially in relation to expectations from society. This sort of material is really messing with young peoples minds and self confidence. I believe in a free market, however the way things are going I think at some point the government needs to draw a line about what is best for the health of our society…
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It’s an important topic you’re referring to. Depression in young people deserves plenty of attention.
There has always been the question though, are kids who are already depressed then drawn to dark, or sad imagery to better understand their feelings? Or does the imagery itself contribute to making them depressed and think dark thoughts etc?
I don’t know the answer, but it’s a fair point to consider.
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Good point, I’m guessing its a bit of both. It would further affect kids who are already depressed and subconciously affect other kids who’s world views are constructed through the environment around them.
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It is about desensitizing I think, like, if you see enough grotesque imagery you will not go out and kill, but it will bother you less eventually and maybe change you moral POV. It is an issue of degrees. Frankly I am not thrilled about boys brought up on this and and piles of porn wanting to have sex with my little girl in 10 yrs, starting your sexual life with all this visual baggage – How healthy!
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Are you the same Kelly Maree who sang the 80′s hit, “Feel’s Like I’m In Love” ? I really liked that song. It made me want to dance a lot.
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haha, actually, I wasn’t alive for most of the 80s lol
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Thanks Bradley, now I can hear that bl*^dy song going through my head….all of it
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Ooh nana, hi-ya. Ooh nana, hi-ya hi-ya ! What ever became of Pussyfoot after her follow up single “Ooh Ja-Ja” ?
I remember dancing the boogie, but I’ve yet to meet anyone who danced the “shadow sha-doogie” !
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i used to love watching video hits or rage on the weekend, but with little kids at home it just isn’t possible, and with video clips like this doing the rounds it looks like it won’t be possible for some time yet.
great insight nina. i am intrigued by why you think the fashion industry love the skeletal and expressionless women?
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I reckon its to get talked about. He’s not entirely stupid, but this will get him You Tube hits and record sales and his name/face on every tv channel in the world. Its gross and completely unnecessary, but I reckon his goal has been achieve.
I do find it odd that he has used white women as his corpses? Is that to highlight his blackness? What a strange man.
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I’m sure Kanye thought this clip was artistically or philosophically justified.
Kanye, you’ve lost your freakin’ mind. Grow up.
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There are three things I know for sure:
1. Today’s ‘controversial’ = boring and rarely clever
2. I wouldn’t want to be a young woman/man having to navigate and understand the mixed messages pop culture and the media project. I applaud the ones that can manage to keep their self esteem firmly in tact, I’m not sure I could of.
3. Kayne West is a massive f*ckwit.
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Oh, he’s bigger that just massive !
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Kanye – ulgh. I don’t think he has the smarts to be this controversial. He’s just another dumb jerk with a woman-hating music video producer.
I loved the clip from MM last week where Josh Grolin sings Kanyes tweets -
“Does anyone know where I can get a marble conference table, I’m looking to have a conference – not till I get the table though” (KW Twitter)
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Kanye requested that the artist who designed the album cover create someting that would get banned…
Don’t get me wrong… My complete and utter dislike for the parasite is known by all around me. I find him offensive and quite frankly, disgusting…
But I really do think he is smart. He aims for controversy, sure, but his album (f@#^d up lyrics aside) is quite musically brilliant from all accounts.
I guess what I’m trying to say is that it’s easy to sit here and say the guy’s a dumb twat and If he had half a brain he’d be dangerous, when the reality is he is a very clever business man who knows how to real in the attention – good, bad or otherwise.
Can I just say… AAAAHAHAHAHAHA I HATE KANYE!!!!!!
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Yeah. You don’t get where he is by being stupid and untalented. He’s making buckets of money from what he does. If only he didn’t act like such a d-bag, he would be a legend.
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like Like LIKE. Thank you for putting that far more succinctly than I did!
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As a mother of a young child I find this just so upsetting and disturbing. I am trying to raise a loving and caring little person and there are people out there in mainstream society who create this horrible stuff? I guess that’s the point. Men can watch it and feel somehow powerful and women are supposed to feel frightened. How far has feminism really got us?
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Excellent thought-provoking article!
TANGENT: Am I some sort of crazy feminist because I don’t want to do pole dancing classes with my friends?
I get that it’s a fun and different way to build strength, and women have reclaimed it for their own personal use. However, I still cannot separate the connection of it being a way in which women are sexually exploited for men’s gratification.
Am I overreacting?
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No
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Hi To Dance or Not to Dance. I did pole dancing classes for about a year, and while I was initially attracted to them for the fitness and strength building, I quickly found it went further than that. Not quite as far as strip clubs and the like, but when you have a move (each school has different names for these by the way), such as “sexy stand” and you do routines where you swivel your hips and push your pelvis forward, to songs such as “rude boy” by Rihanna, then the ideas being purported that it was all for fitness were difficult to believe.
So after this long winded explanation of my experiences, I would say you are not a crazy feminist. My reasons for stopping were not necessarily feminism related, though I see more and more now since Im not doing classes, what the real connotations of these classes are.
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Thanks for your insight.
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mmm i feel the same boat as you! i am getting married soon and the bucks party ideas are coming up and i am not cool with there being strippers/topless women parading in front of my soon to be husband. The flack i am copping about this from both men and women is really surprising and has sometimes made me feel like maybe i am a prude!
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I have a problem with it as well, but only because the ‘strippers’ that my husband has seen at other ppl’s bucks nights haven’t simply ‘stripped’, they bring along toys and invite the husband-to-be to participate. This is totally crossing the line in my opinion! The line between stripper and whore seems to have been blurred. Or maybe I am just old fashioned. ps I’m 29.
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I don’t think you’re over-reacting I just think you don’t want to do it and that’s fine.
As for the separation – will you be using your new skills to become a stripper? Or dance infront of men? If not then that’s the separation for you as you don’t plan on entertaining men as a stripper and it really is just a fitness thing that you tried.
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I think he’s trying to be shocking, just like Madonna in
her ‘Like a Prayer’ vid, like all the
straight-girls-doing-lesbian-kissing-scenes vids etc. The problem
is that our threshold for being ‘shocked’ is getting higher and
higher. Madonna was incredibly provocative in the 80′s. A clip like
hers would go totally under the radar these days. Same with porn -
whereas porn afficionados used to be thrilled by simple girl-on-guy
porn, now it has to be
girl-on-guy-on-girl-in-every-orifice-with-violence-and-probs to
even get the heartbeat going. Kanye West calls himself an artist
but essentially he’s a guy looking to make a lot of money, and
he’ll do that by getting people to watch his videos. And, like
makers of porn, he and his ilk will continue to make vids like that
whilst people watch them. The only solution is for us, the
consumer, to say ‘enough’.
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“now it has to be girl-on-guy-on-girl-in-every-orifice-with-violence-and-probs to even get the heartbeat going.”
That made me snort out loud!!! LMAO!!!
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I’d be interested to hear the lyrics to this song, how do they connect to the clip? Is he seriously saying this is sexy/ a fantasy? Bluuuckkk
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I would’ve loved to have been a fly on the wall during the meeting re: this clip. Without knowing the lyrics and whether it relates at all i imagine it would’ve been interesting. “oh let’s get some models to pose as dead sexual objects, that’ll tie in with (whatever theme) and get their attention” kanye “great idea”. I know, I know it’s simplistic, but reinforces my view that rage (or MTV) doesn’t deserve a place in my kids viewing when they’re teenagers. IMO the producers of these clips are trying to be too clever, or they’ve taken a sh@t load of drugs
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Wow, didn’t think I could like Kanye much less than I already did. But I do.
Repulsive and highly offensive. Yuck yuck yuck.
Makes me despair for the world my 5 year old daughter has ahead of her.
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Mia, could you please change the accompanying picture to this article on your homepage? I understand it’s relevant/appropriate, but I must admit I find it a bit disturbing, based on some underlying fears regarding the depiction.
Thank you.
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Noted – yep its been changed
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Thank you
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What do I think of Kanye West’s video? I can’t even bring myself to watch it. I might cry. I’m just going to have to read various articles about it, like this one.
From what I know about Kanye West, he’s a narcissistic twit. If he wants to create this kind of ‘art’, I don’t think a music video is the right medium. Music videos are primarily watched by impressionable teenagers. The idea of a teenage boy who doesn’t have strong male or female role models in his life watching something like this turns my stomach. I can’t imagine what it might do to his subconscious. Likewise for a teenage girl. What is this video saying about women? What is it saying about men? Whatever it is, I dare say it’s about a thousand shades of wrong.
It’s times like these when I think schoolkids should be taught how to process media. (I’m not sure whether or not this is taught in schools.) Kids need to learn how to filter everything from hardcore internet pornography to romantic comedies where the male and female leads barely know each other yet it’s implied that they live ‘happily ever after’.
The sooner one learns to decipher entertainment (or lack thereof) from reality, fact from fiction, the better. Then, hopefully, videos like Kanye West’s will simply be interpreted as mindless rubbish.
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I agree 100% that kids need to be taught to read between the lines, and they are taught to do this with different kinds of media, and in the English curriculum there is mandatory gender content – but I doubt as a teacher I can confront hardcore Internet porn – I nearly had heart-failure watching ‘The Hangover’ with a bunch of over-age Year 12s, and forbade them to let their parents know that they had conned me into letting them watch it.
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Totally hit the nail on the head. Way to go Nina!
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I would like to say a quick thankyou: To my mother for raising me to believe in the importance of being a woman with a brain, an education, and a fullfilling career. Thanks to my partner who loves me for more than my vagina. To myself for having the self esteem and life experience to ignore the messages that our culture sends us about sexuality and desirability. And thanks to the feminists for having the courage and intelligence to call out this mysogynist b**shit so that the rest of the population has some chance at believing, understanding and appreciating that women are more than the sum of their sexual organs.
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