Channel Ten’s head of programming, David Mott has quit today, after a series of poor performing shows for the network. Here, Tim Burrowes – the man behind the media and advertising website, Mumbrella - talks about why we need to keep encouraging TV networks to take risks.
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by TIM BURROWES
I always thought that being a footballer must be one of the worst jobs in the world. Having thousands of people watching you up close and howling at your every error.
If I tried to cope with that in my day job, my spelling would be even worse than it is already. But being a TV programmer must be worse.
There aren’t many gigs where millions of people judge your work every single day. Every morning at 8.30am, the ratings come through – and we all find out if they are dunces or geniuses.
Right now, it’s the turn of Ten’s David Mott in the firing line.[Editor's note: David Mott has resigned as Ten's head of programming today].This year, he took a chance on several new pieces of Australian-made programming and so far most of them have not fired. Which leaves the network struggling for audience share and facing dreadful headlines.
I’m part of that problem, by the way. I wait for the ratings to come in, looking for a winner or loser to write about.
Sometimes it’s easy to call. I must confess that after I watched the now axed Everybody Dance Now make its debut last Sunday night, I wrote the next day’s rating story that night and left gaps for the actual numbers – it was that obvious as a viewer that the show was going to flop.
Not just because of the content (Sarah Murdoch is just too nice a middle class woman to say “That’s off the hook” with anything approaching authenticity), but also because it was up against the final night of the Olympics.
The same happened the next night. The story was again written before the Everybody Dance Now ratings were in. This time, the flawed show and the competition from the first night of Big Brother combined.
I had a couple of meetings with TV people last week and the same question was: “What were they thinking?”
Not being idiots, I suspect there was a point between when Ten commissioned it from Fremantle Media and when it got made that it went astray. They must have realised before it went to air that they were up against it. Like Andrew Denton once said, nobody sets out to make bad television.
Speaking of Denton, he’s one of the brains behind Can Of Worms which returned for a second series on Ten on Monday night with a disappointing 590,000.
He’s also the front man of Randling which hasn’t done great numbers for the ABC. Which makes him sound like an idiot – until you add into the mix his co-creation of The Gruen Transfer and of course Enough Rope.
He’s a classic example that if you want original programming, you have to take risks. And that means that not everything will rate. Personally, I thought the Gruen format sounded a bit silly before it launched. I was delighted but surprised when it worked.
And let’s remember that sometimes these risks work. Last week, Ten also aired the Southern Star-made Puberty Blues, which was excellent, and rated respectably, particular in younger demographics.
Southern Star, incidentally, was also behind Howzat: Kerry Packer’s Cricket War on Nine this week, which was by far the best piece of locally made television I’ve seen this year.
And you can’t always call it. Masterchef was a risk for Ten. And for the first few episodes the first series didn’t even rate and they were all idiots. But then it took off and they were all geniuses. Then they tried to repeat it with The Renovators and they were all idiots again.
Right now, this week Ten’s bosses are back to being labelled idiots.
Yet they deserve so much credit for investing in making local shows – of all genres.
Even The Shire. Yes it was dumb. But it was well crafted dumb. Particularly the first couple of episodes.
Ten’s chief sales officer Barry O’Brien made an obvious point a few days ago when he repeated David Leckie’s mantra: you only need one hit. Don’t forget that Seven’s entire fortunes turned eight years ago because two US hits came from nowhere – Desperate Housewives and Lost.
An the alternative to Ten’s risk-taking approach is Nine’s. Remember the previous three years or so when the network relied almost entirely on Two And A Half Men and Big Bang Theory?
Wouldn’t you rather a few local flops than double episodes of Modern Family every night? The thing about risk is that if it is a genuine risk, then it might fail without anyone actually being at fault.
The worst possible outcome of the last couple of weeks will be if the networks become less willing to risk investing in local content.
As it happens, I suspect that Ten will turn it around. There’s a lot of goodwill in the market – the newly arrived Barry O’Brien is very popular, and the media agencies know they need Ten to be viable to keep Seven and Nine honest.
And they just need one hit. Just one hit.
Howzat: Kerry Packer's War (Photo: Nine Network)
Tim Burrowes is the Editor-in-Chief of Mumbrella, a site covering everything under Australia’s media, marketing and entertainment umbrella. You can follow him on Twitter here.
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Where do I begin !? …The bad WAY out-weighs the good.
The more heads that roll, the better.
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I have often wondered what goes through the head of the one deciding on the programming especially new shows.
Time and time again it is proven if you launch a new show against a successful show on a rival station or at the end of the series on a rival station you will not get people to view your program no matter how much you promote the program.
Last year “Renovators” began in the final weeks of “The Block” series in the same time slot. Anyone with half a brain would know that the new show will not work. There are only so many people interested in renovation programs and they’re already watching another program. Same goes for “Excess Baggage” launched by channel 9 at the same time as “Biggest Loser” the new show was doomed for failure before it began.
The general public is eager to watch anything other than repeats so why don’t they spread the programming around?
Perhaps they should give the job to me!
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Thank you for talking about the need to take risks. It’s so important to go there instead of “playing it safe” all the time, and really hard to find a balance between the risks and the guarantees.
The same principle applies in any creative industry – I always hope theatre companies will take some risks in their seasons and that websites will try new ways to engage with people or add different types of content etc. It doesn’t always work, but those risks are essential all the same.
As far as Ten goes, I really like The Project and also got hooked on MasterChef while it was airing this year. I was excited about Everybody Dance Now, but horrified by the execution of the show (literally cringing through most of the first episode). Not big on The Shire or Being Lara Bingle, but I am still all for Ten commissioning new Australian shows.
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The Shire is dreadful just plain boring; hope that’s gone. Poor Sarah Murdoch just did not fit I think, recorded Everybody Dance Now and watched it later! I do that all the time now record shows my favs and new ones to try!! Good because I don’t miss anything AND ……I NEVER HAVE TO WATCH COMMERCIALS!!! I know they pay the bills etc. but, don t like them!
It is good to have Australian content but not for the sake of it. Shame when we copy bad American reality eg. The Shire, bad bad bad.
We can do better than that I am sure.
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Up until a few months ago, I really thought Ten was one of the better channels out there: I absolutely love The Project and the way the hosts address current events with their own opinions thrown in, and I somehow felt that transferred onto the network’s other programming.
However, since the release of Being Lara Bingle and The Shire – shows I watch and sometimes enjoy – I feel the overall quality of the channel has been marred: whether by the actual content or by the public’s perception of the content. Having said that, though, I still think it’s one of the better commercial channels out there.
http://www.thevine.com.au/entertainment/tv/all-dogs-go-to-seven/
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I love the project too, really great Australian content, and actually relevant and humorous.
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I’m looking forward to HouseHusbands, but man, the lead in advertising has been looooooooooong. I commented the other day that I was wondering what was going on with it, but then realised I rarely watch Channel 9. Like, for anything.
Like MasterChef (but not MKR) and Biggest Loser, although they’re both getting a bit tired. Liked The Voice too, and don’t mind The Living Room. Other than that, Gruen, QI, Modern Family. That’s about it. Not interested in glamming up criminals, so never been into Underbelly, not into the talent or dancing shows.
Biggest beefs: Over advertising of new shows/returning shows. When they do it with things like Modern Family, you feel like you’ve seen the whole episode before you watch it!
Also as many have mentioned, moving the shows around and not running to time. How friggen hard is it to run to the schedule? The channels are the ones who tell the times the shows will be on, they know how long the shows go for, get it right!
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People’s viewing patterns have changed dramatically over the last 20 years.
Now that so many families have other individual distractions after dinner the tricky bit will be to provide genuine family viewing at say, 7pm………
An early “tonight show” could work – for an hour, and serve the entertainment needs of families watching together.
All through the 80′s and 90′s we were involved in weekend children’s TV which actually became “family TV” by accident……….we were all doing Breakfast Radio on weekday mornings and our comedy was geared to adults really, but occasionally some parent would call up and say – “We loved the sketch but we were embarrassed because our kids were in the car’…………….this was a useful guide as to what was acceptable on “Family TV”.
Actually, the parents didn’t seem to mind as long as the comedy was “cryptic”.
I always felt that Channel 10 was getting it right with shows like “The Panel”, “Masterchef” – (a cosmetically enhanced version of Britain’s Masterchef”) and of course “The Project”. The much lamented “The Circle” could find a new home on night-time TV if someone wants to take the risk – it’s still ready-to-go but don’t wait too long.
We’ve been watching series tv in “blocks” for some time now. The utterly brilliant “Being Human”, “Boardwalk Empire” “Breaking Bad” “Game of Thrones” “Torchwood” (and Dr WHO), “Rome” and “Deadwood” are just some of our favourites and are lessons in scripting production, direction and performance for some of us and shows like the “Underbelly” series come close but of course the money to create gob-smacking TV Drama just doesn’t exist in this country.
Some of us in the industry have had to “wear many hats” over the past 20years just to earn enough to have a basic life and cover the mortgage.
No-body owes us a living just because of our many skills – a real school of hard-knocks that people just graduating from TV and film courses are simply unaware of………I feel so sad for their bright-eyed and bushy-tailed enthusiasm.
If you truly want a balance of TV content, you’ve got to support your Australian programs otherwise they’ll pretty much disappear in the next 5 years.
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While apparently “nobody sets out to make bad television”, the networks seem to try for lazy television. Ripped off shows from the US and UK are almost always terrible. Plus its treating the audience as though we’re fools. Its not great local content if its scripted based on Essex, Geordie Shore, Chelsea…etc etc.
The major networks also copying each other drives me nuts. Foxtel is now a staple cost in our house. It means we have access to something other than Sunrise, Today, Breakfast (these are all infuriating!), a choice of news programs, docos, and dramas.
We also flat out refuse to watch ads. While I would love to see a return to movies on Sunday nights, I’m not going to allow my children to stay up until 11:30 because a 2 hr movie has an additional hour of advertising. Everything is recorded and ads skipped. Even the decent shows such as Puberty Blues will be delayed by half an hour or a day to avoid the ads.
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I do the same re: the adds. My concern is that product placement in shows will become overwhelmingly tedious and or the advert banner will run on the bottom of the screen; also as it is in football the likes of Ray Warren, in the middle of his commentary promotes a TV show – annoying enough for us to mute him and watch without sound.
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Is it just me or does anyone watch ‘Winners and Losers’? I know the acting is terrible but I can’t stop watching!…
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I can cope with the acting from everyone but Zoe Tuckwell Smith, who plays Bec. I hope her character is killed off!
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I’m the same, I watch every week but the acting is just so bad
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I’m not a huge fan of reality shows personally so most of them annoy the heck out of me. I’d rather see a great drama, mystery or comedy show instead of non actors on tv all the time and I can’t say I’m a fan of trashy ‘reality stars’ dumming down the viewing audience.
Having said that, I have had the pleasure of knowing David and his family for a few years now and he is a really nice, humble and approachable guy. He has had a very successful career up until recently. He started in the mail room and worked his way up to chief programming officer at 10, along the way choosing some amazing TV shows for Australian audiences and made a lot of money for the network. You have to respect anyone who starts out as a mail boy and ends up at the top. It’s a shame that The Shire and Bingle were green lighted, he took great risks in the past and they worked, sadly these didn’t work out as planned. I wish him the best of luck.
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I mainly watch ABC and SBS because they generally show decent stuff. Ads drive me crazy, and unfortunately SBS has gone down that track, but luckily they have enough good stuff to keep me interested. With young kids in the house the only daytime telly we have is ABC kids or a DVD. I refuse to put my kids in front of ads. More often than not I download my shows and watch them when it suits me rather than when they are actually on TV. I so love iView and SBS on demand too. I wonder how this affects ratings.
My list of good shows: One Born Every Minute, Insight, Australian Story, Breaking Bad, Mad Men, and oldies like Wilfred, The Sopranos, Northern Exposure, Frontline, Cath and Kim, Enough Rope, The Office, Very Small Business, and all of Chris Lilley’s stuff.
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I watch a lot of ABC and SBS too! My list: Gruen, Hamster Wheel, Australian Story, Landline, Grand Designs, One Born Every Minute, The Hotel(made by the same people as OBEM), The Family, Insight, Food Safari, Peter Kuruvita, Luke Ngyuen, Costa’s Gardening, and most docos on both channels.
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I wish Frontline was still on. Even if it was just repeats. And I wish it would air at 6.30pm on channel ten against the crap called A Current Affair and Today Tonight. I absolutely adored that show and now that I own it on dvd I still watch every episode every couple of years and never tire of it.
Basically, I’d like to see more of anything by Working Dog Productions on the tv. I love everything they do!!!!!!!! They should bring back Frontline!!! They were so brilliant at it!!!!
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I loved The Panel !
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Start a petition! I’d sign it!!
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George Negus’ show at 6.30 against those idiotic shows was fantastic. Such a shame they didn’t just run with it. I only like the Project when there are fill-in guests on, apart from Charlie. He’s good. But it’s always better when it’s Waleed Aly, that pommy lady (I really like her but have never heard her introduced!) and Lehmo. Or Hamish McDonald. Anyone other than Hughesy and Carrie, really.
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I still can’t get over the fact that Channel 10 axed The Circle. It was the most refreshing show on daytime TV and nothing else compares. I don’t think I’ll forgive Channel 10 for a very long time. On the brightside – now I get some housework done every morning.
Advertising and advertisers have such an impact on programming which is ironic considering everyone is complaining about the bloody ads!
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I would love a sunday night movie (8:30 start) too….not sleepless in seatle again!! i would also like shows to start on time, and for the mid week 8:30 timeslot to improve. I really like to watch…Gruen planet, QI, Greys (when on at 8:30) Desparate housewives, offspring. Husband loves the game plan on ch 10….it does not have the stupidity of the footy show/s. I dont like the amount of reality T.V – its just cheap and nasty. IF we get sick of tv, we have our fall back DVDs to watch -or we do something else!! ps my son LOVES ABC2!
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Yeah, what’s the deal with the repeated movies? They seem to go in cycles. At one point The Shawshank Redemption seemed to be on every fortnight. Also sick of the saturation of certain shows like Big Bang theory, Two and a half Men, Simpsons, etc.. Even if they were shows I liked, it’s just boring and lazy. Mix it up a bit! Love my ABC2 quirky docos, quality HBO series, ABC 3 and 2 for kids (especially Horrible Histories). SICK of crappy reality tv. One talent show a year would suffice ( and even then I wouldn’t watch it). Also very impressed with Offspring and Puberty Blues, Laid and Mrs Fisher’s murder mysteries. Would love to see quality show like this across ALL genres (looks like the cop show phase is over finally, thank god) replace each talent/reality show.
Oh, and The Project is perfect for me. Have got an aversion to straight news, having grown up in a one tv house where my dad had to watch 3 different news shows.
HATE ads with a passion too. I record so manage to avoid.
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As others have commented why do we have to have Aussie versions of O/S shows. Enough dancing and singing NB bringing in an O/S star does not necessarily a good show make.
Our drama is fantastic, Howzat with the great Lachy Hulme ,,,he was also in that good show set in the PM’s office with Merrick Watts., Grass Roots set at a council…there are hundreds we have made through the years.
I know drama, good docos, current affairs like Foreign Correspondent costs but people will watch.
Interesting about Denton.love the Gruen Transer but Randling…awful like QI I find watching people laugh at themselves and each other gets old fast …
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Yes. TV programmers should take risk. But there is a difference between taking a risk and taking your prosective audience for fools.
Most people are clever enough to know what is edgy and what is crap. But then, you can fool some of the people all of the time.
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I’ve read a lot of the comments and agree with most of them! I dont have Foxtel. Here’s what I’d like (and possibly these are due to having a young child at home and no social life):
A really really good Sunday night movie. Or a miniseries (loved Howzat). But every week!
Easter Day: “The Ten Commandments”. It’s just ‘Easter’ to me. And with ads you get a chance for loo breaks and more hot cross buns.
Christmas Day: a Christmas movie. Why is it so hard for the networks to do this? It doesn’t even have to be a blockbuster one! Not everyone has a packed christmas day schedule so isn’t watching, and/or can take a post-lunch nap. Or if so, a Christmas eve Christmas movie would be fab.
Anzac Day: my son and I watch the service and pay our respects at the cenotaugh. I’d love an interesting war documentary in the afternoon rather than the usual weekday afternoon drivel. It seems it would be fitting.
Disclaimer: someone out there will probably tell me one or all of the above happened last Easter/Xmas or Anzac day. I just never seem to see it!
Also I wish some Twitter accounts could be on time delay. I constantly know who won the jackpots on Today, who’s fainting on Q&A, the twists/big reveals on movies, shows etc. yeah I know I could put Twitter down. But often I end up not watching at all as I’ve pretty much learnt the main outcomes! And can never be part of the “live tweet” thing. Lucky I dont have a Neilson box!
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‘Well crafted dumb’ really?
The Shire is embarrassing – why are they surprised with bad ratings.
Who looked at this on paper – saw these people and said – this is a great idea for a show?
If these are the sort of people Channel 10 want to highlight we are all screwed …. where is that DVD collection …
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Probably because there’s a uk version called totally essex (or some such) and some bright spark thought to try to do an oz version.
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Such a shame that someone thought it needed another version at all Faybian
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Crownies, All Saints, Gruen Planet, Offspring, Puberty Blues, The Slap, Changi, Enough Rope – all great Aussie viewing. We can produce such good shows, yet here we are being assaulted with the likes of The Shire and Big Brother take 12. Reality? These shows are about as real as Katie Price’s chest. These shows fit into their own category : shit.
The constant “switcheroo” of shows is so frustrating. The incessant ad bombing is getting worse – longer, louder and less creative ads.
I’d like to see more bravado, less desperado.
I imagine the role of programmer is one tough gig with alot of responsibility. Many jobs however require performance and results or you are shown the door. In my job, if I stuff up someone could die (ICU nurse). So, in that regard I try to put it into perspective. After all, it’s only TV.
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and paid alot more than you I’ll bet
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I love LOVED Crownies. Never met another person who watched it though! Just read yesterday they are starting to shoot a ‘spin off’ series. Very excited.
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I loved Crownies. Give Silk (eng law) show a go you ‘ll prop really like it.
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I adored Crownies. It was gloriously addictive. A great mix of courtroom and drama and the cast was so attractive in a real way. The intro/song is fabulous too.
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One of the problems is that so many people still watch the shows they bag. Until people stop actually watching, we aren’t going to have improvements.
I virtually watch no commercial tv although i did watch Puberty Blues with my daughter. I usually only watch the ABC and now and then I watch SBS. I don’t even watch the news anymore, I get it online. The tv rarely goes on before 8.30 in my house and I have young adult children.
I am looking forward to Rake and I enjoy QI plus all the Friday night crime shows on the ABC. New tricks, period dramas etc.
Like another commentor I stop watching shows such as Graham Norton as soon as they go to the commercial stations. I wish we had more of the likes of The Sopranos, 6 feet under etc and good English comedy. Shows like Mrs Brown’s Boys or whatever, make me want to vomit. I flatly refuse to watch reality shows even Masterchef!
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Dislike:
- 99% of reality tv shows – and the ones that are interesting at first lose it after a season or two
- unreliable programming – schedule a show for a specific night/time and keep it there – and don’t have it start 10 minutes “late”
- programming that is interrupted by commercials non-stop. We aren’t fooled by letting the first 15 min run and then stopping every 6 minutes for commercials for the rest of the “hour”…for example, US shows have standard commercial breaks in them – use these and only these and let us watch the show (I’ve stopped watching shows I like for this reason – when Graham Norton switched from ABC I couldn’t take how many ad breaks were put in – it ruined the flow and I stopped watching)
- air foreign shows the same week that they are originally aired…there are many ways to get access to tv these days, face the facts
- sneak previews – I can deal with ads for other series on the station, but I don’t want a sneak peak – takes too much time away from the show (see above re: ad breaks)
- tv geared towards the dumbest common denominator – there is a reason why The West Wing was such a hit here and in the US – it was a SMART show
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Great comment. West Wing is my favourite TV show. Ever.
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Loved the West Wing too – am about to start at Season 1 again! Really looking forward to the new Aaron Sorkin show – just wish it wasn’t on cable…
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So agree with all of these points! Why are we letting this happen? With ads I mean? It’s actually got beyond ridiculous when you spell it out like this JB. Although I skip through the ads, the excessiveness still shits me beyond words. And they are loud, so loud. I’ve thought this before and thinking it again. We (general public) should organise a boycott to stop the frequency and volume (as in aural) of adson commercial tv. We shouldn’t be putting up with it yet it’s getting even worse!
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Don’t forget the scrolling crap that runs across the bottom of the screen announcing the next upcoming piece of fluff….. right at the climactic moment of the show you are trying to enjoy!
Or, even better (worse?), when the show has a graphic or a subtitle of some kind at the bottom, and then the scrolling tripe runs over it – visual vomit.
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I think the pattern evolving here is that most intelligent people are over reality tv. The shows that have flopped are all reality based programs. We are wanting more substance and better shows. Most of my favourite shows like Private Practice are aired at 11.30 at night. Why??? Why do they put good shows on so late and put the crap on early. Seriously, some nights we don’t even watch free to air tv. I sit and watch Mad Men which my cousin downloaded for me.
Why not invest more money into actual dramas etc.
I have recently given up on Sunrise and The Today show and switched to Ten at least when they interview people they have the balls to ask the tough questions!
Also so sick of when a show is airing a final ever episode they up the adds. Turned me off watching Desperate Housewives!
Ok, rant over!
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Years ago they moved Six Feet Under and The Sopranos to late night and stopped advertising them – at their peak ratings in the US. I missed a few episodes and had to hire the DVDs.
More recently when that has happened I’ve just downloaded. In the process realising that it’s so much better! No ads! Watch when you want! Be episodes or even seasons ahead! Stuff FTA
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I’m with you on the sunrise and today shows. I now watch breakfast. Since they’ve axed the circle I’ve noticed those f*^%ing infomercials sneaking in though. I no longer watch 10 late morning if I’m home.
I watch the panel at 6, not ACA or today tonight. Just don’t like them anymore.
I’ve noticed some good Aussie dramas cropping up on foxtel now. I loved spirited. I wish there was more quality on free to air without such intrusive ads. The moving about of shows drives me insane too.
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I had all but given up on Aussie TV until Puberty Blues and Howzat in the past couple of weeks. Great Aussie drama, well written, well acted. Loved them both. It doesn’t hurt that they are flashbacks to my youth.
Can we have more of these types of stories, PLEASE?
I am so over crappy reality television.
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This isnt about channel 10 specifically, but the thing that really frustrates me about tv scheduling is when they change the days/times around. Come on, just stick with one.
I also find it irritating that we are so behind the rest of the world – I mean, truly – I watched this coming Sundays episode of Criminal Minds back in March on our holiday to New Zealand.
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Anyone wonder how the channels can afford the big overseas talent guest judges?
The new shows on Channel 10 (excluding Puberty Blues) have been terrible! Not sure how any of them could have seemed like good ideas…
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My understanding is perhaps they’d jack up the advertising costs – as with any costs for a program, they’d have to see what they can afford and how much they expect to make back.
But it does seem insane to me! And I’d much rather see people like Kelley Abby (why is she on I Will Survive? Waste!) and other Aussie talent.
PS-I wasn’t aware that Kelly or Jason were known for their dancing skills… Surely it would have been better to get someone like Heather Morris from Glee?!?!
-Megan
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I have 100% given up on Australian free to air television (and foxtel). I can download a quality show like Mad Men, Girls or Game of Thrones straight after it’s aired and watch it on my own time schedule without ads.
Even when there is an Australian show that’s worthy, like Offspring or Brother in Arms, and now Puberty Blues- it’s still more convenient to download!
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Hi Stella,
Where do you download the just aired US episodes? Were theese jsut aired in Aus or US? I have been trying to do this for what seems like forever (especially Downton Abbey…couldn’t wait!!) and seem to be blocked from iTunes/Amazon to do this…
Thankyou x
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there are websites like tv links and movie 2 k or programs like vuze. I have issues with watching / downloading movies where you would normally have to pay for them, but I figure it’s ok if it’s normally shown on tv in America…
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Hi Stella, if you’re looking for individual episodes, eztv is the best. If you want to download seasons, go to thepiratebay
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i got a virus from piratebay but love eztv. 99% of teh time they are great, just up your antivirus and only use the good torrents xx
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They need to give shows a bit more of a chance to build an audience- Sometimes your not sure what your into yet- You try big brother and it may not be for you so you channel surf until you find a show you like.
It actually really pisses me off when they switch all the time. I liked the renovators also- I thinks the Olympics took over for a few weeks but zi would have watched it again.
If you putting something new into an established market- up against really popular shows expect your less known ones to flop. It takes weeks to gain an interest in some shows so they need time to build.
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One of the things Australian TV is doing wrong is it is so slow to run overseas programs. Years ago I lived in NZ where popular shows like Grey’s and Desperate Housewives and House were shown within 48hours of US broadcast. This meant you didn’t bother to download, and you’d put up with ads for exciting new content.
In Australia we are months behind, and programs get moved about so much, so I just stopped bothering.
Also, reality TV is shit. If I was in charge of programming I’d ditch 50% of it. There’s just too much of this kind of stuff, and I now watch none of it, when I used to watch a little bit.
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So true – and by the time they do run them, everyone’s already downloaded them. Stupid.
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The news most nights on channel 7 is the only FTA , then change straight over to Foxtel for any other TV viewing, or computer.
Usually tape Foxtel so we can skip adverts
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I’d love to see some more Aussie comedy.
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Oh I WISH people could see what really happens in tele and then they would realise this has nothing to do with talent or being good at your job but more ego and arse covering. I work in television. We pitch ‘new and exciting’ programs for TV networks to buy. I can’t tell you how many amazing TV programs are knocked back each week because a) TV networks are too scared to take a risk on intelligent programming, they honestly believe the viewing public are stupid (the comments we hear are amazing eg: “People aren’t smart enough to watch that, they won’t ‘get it’” and b) TV programmers are too scared they may lost their jobs if they make the wrong decision (moreso after today’s news) c) You have to make the programmer ‘think’ that they came up with the decision to create and buy your program so that “if” it works, they can take ALL the credit for commissioning your show but that’s not without their ‘get out of jail’ clause that states if it’s a failure, they can yell at you afterwards. It’s beyond political, it’s a mess. In this industry, you’re only as good as your last show and you’re a hero if you make a good one, you’re a leper if you make a bad one unless you’re Andrew Denton, then you’re simply a God (according to the decision makers at the ABC). It’s a tough industry but I don’t think the general public realise there are about 200 people nationally who are pitching new shows each and every day and 99.9% of the time we’re being knocked back. If people keep turning off shows they don’t like, we may just have a shot at getting some good shows off the ground, however the number of original Australian formats being cancelled at the moment is not promising either because it’s making the industry look like we can’t produce anything worth watching which is made here.
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That’s such a shame. And then all the good local shows like love my way and tangle on run on cable, so they never get a chance to pull big numbers.
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LOVE Tangle!! Why only on Foxtel, and why only 6 eps?? Guessing while it’s not on mainstream tv they can’t afford to make more??
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I would be terrible at this job, sounds awful.
I am so sick of talent shows I haven’t watched for years. I got bored of Master Chef and haven’t watched the last couple of seasons.
I watched “The Block” for the first time this year – I enjoyed it but probably won’t watch it again, gets very repetitive (and the gender stereotypes drove me crazy)
Recently I enjoyed “Amazing Race Australia” (the kids loved this) I liked Downton Abbey – but thought season 1 was better.
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Sick of reality TV, endless talent shows, renovating shows, cooking shows and then of course Big Brother, how boring,watching a bunch of self absorbed twits. Have my own reality to live, don’t want to waste my time watching someone elses. Need more shows like Howzat telling great Aussie stories. Whatever happened to the miniseries of the past like All The Rivers Run, Come in Spinner, The Shiralee and Vietnam, nurturing Aussie actors as well.
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Ooooh, the great miniseries of the 80s. How I miss them. I loved all those ones plus Bangkok Hilton, Bodyline, Dirtwater Dynasty. Even the US ones like North and South, Roots etc. The good ole days!
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Sword of Honour!
Bring back the mini series and all their brilliance!
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One of the best shows around is NCIS – not Australian, but great. Aussie stuff just isn’t working. They should let Underbelly die a natural death. The first series – brillant! Beauty and the Geek is a fun bit of fluff and yes I am a big fan of Modern Family …. not all the re-runs bit each new series as it comes to air. The same with Big bang – the station kills it by constantly playing re-runs.
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I’d give anything for channel ten to show an entire seasonof NCIS in succession. They keeping breaking it up with repeats – I hate it
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I am over Channel 10 and NCIS – in our house it was must watch tv, when they keep showing repeats we gave up and started watchin the series “Sons of Anarchy”. Please Channel 10 be consistent with series shows!
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In France, nearly all TV shows/movies are dubbed into French, rather than using subtitles. One night, in our hotel room in Paris, we flicked on the TV: there was NCIS, dubbed. And let me tell you, Probie has never sounded so sexy.
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The issue is that these execs expect to be able to use tried and true american formats with australian casts.
Lara Bingle = Kardashians
The Shire = Jersey Shore
The original shows are propular because theres a disconnect and a fantasy element, noone has the blowdried, fashionista lives that the Kardashians do, and noone can be as trashy as the Jersey Shore folks, When these formats use Aussie people and groups, its embarassing because its just a less fabulous or less out there version of old concepts.
Channel 10. Go out on your own, make original and dynamic content. I’m talking Offspring, Paper Giants, Howzat, Puberty Blues, Gruen, Spicks&Specs etc etc etc.
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yes please! but less ads!!! otherwise I won’t bother…
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You can record on foxtel box and skip through ads . I haven’t watched an ad in years.
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We have Optus Fetch TV. It comes with a PVR and 30 free (sometimes ok) movies a month and other bits and pieces. The best part is the PVR though, we just record things we like and skip through the ads. It’s free with a couple of the home phone/internet plans and not hugely expensive otherwise. Sometimes it glitches, but it is reasonably good.
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You can buy a decent PVR for a few hundred dollars. Ours has an actual ad skip button. Just delay the time you start watching the show by about 20 minutes or so, that is, ‘pause live TV’ and go have a coffee break. Come back, press play, then skip all the ads as they come up. Voila – you still see the end of the show around its usual finishing time! Love it.
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The same is true in reverse – remember the American version of Kath and Kim? That was cringeworthy, and not in the fun way.
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sorry – I don’t think the problem is with the programmes – it’s because there are so many ads on Australian commercial television (plus most of the ads are crap!)…. there just isn’t the population to financially support shorter commercial breaks?
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Tim – to be fair, I think the marketing and advertising industry needs to take a good look at the kind of stuff it is producing and consider that perhaps that is a factor in why my generation (in their 30s) are switching off in droves….
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I find that I struggle to sit through “new” t.v shows, I.E I Will Survive, Everybody Dance Now, not only because I’m not a fan (and that’s personal taste) but, the over-advertising of them before they’re even aired kills them. I am so far sick of them before they’ve even began. I didn’t like the Shire for many reasons, again, personal taste, but the advertising was the final nail in the coffin. You don’t even need to watch it to know everything that is going to happen! I find it insidious, relentless and entirely over the top. Of course I understand the need for advertising and exposure, but it was just so intense.
I love Aussi shows, and I’m so thrilled with Puberty Blues, and I wish that we didn’t need American imports for fillers, but even “aussie” everybody dance now was saturated in American people, culture, rituals and language. It’s the cultural cringe all over again, and the fact that it failed just means less time for Australian production. Sad.
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I so agree. Every station promo always shows the funniest joke or the most interesting point of the show. Ad nauseum. For about a week before the show airs. Knowing the lines verbatim by the time I watch the show, the impact is lost, the moment flattened, and the episode just flops a little. How much intelligence is required for a programmer to figure out that this is not the way to do it? Honestly, are their heads so far up their own arses? (PS. Love TV as a topic! Always available for program advice on a moment’s notice!)
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Oh, and no pun intended with the ‘ad nauseum’ … untll I just saw it myself and laughed!!!
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I saw “ad nauseum” and laugh/ snorted as I thought it was intentional and quite clever.
Haha
T.V is a great topic for debate, lordy lordy, and certainly one I could talk about for a while! I love the fact that I’m not the only one walking around quoting lines for shows I’ve never seen, or barely watched, or worse, singing the advertising tune! (I will Survive… I keep saying “that’s me, that’s me, that’s me” Partner just laughs at me…
Thanks for the response, Jimmy’s Girl. x
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I am so sick of reality TV! Having actor friends always looking for work I know how hard it is when the available Australian dramas is shrinking all the time. Networks take the quick easy way by commissioning reality shows because they are cheap to produce and it leaves with very few Australian scripted shows to watch – no wonder the networks have to rely on US shows.
Our household is one of the Neilsen ratings household – we have people meters on our TVs and I’m glad at least we get to represent a portion of the population who don’t watch Big Brother or any other reality show!
I agree though it must be a horribly stressful job for the TV execs to be constantly judged each morning. I always think its a bit like the footy coaches who get sacked after a poor season – seems like they are looking for a high profile scape goat.
I also don’t like what all these reality “talent” shows are saying to our kids – that its all about being famous and on TV and I hate the way they exploit and make fun of the less talented ones
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just out of interest- how did you become a Neilsen rating house? did they approach you, or do you register your interest?
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We were approached but it was only after we’d done some paper survey (on radio listening I think) that they chose us – and it was based on where we fitted in the demographics and presumably they needed a household with kids a certain age etc. I can’t even remember how the first survey came about now.
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I wanted to like EDN, I really did. I like dance shows & Australia has some phenomenal talent but the ads left me with a sense of foreboding that was realised once it started.
Sarah Murdoch is lovely but SO wrong for the show that I think they were trying to create. She’s so far removed from the ridiculous street speak of Jason & Kelly, she just looked so out of place.
As for Jason & Kelly, I don’t know which bright spark picked them but they were awful, particularly Jason.
Having said that, I love it when there is something new & Australian on telly, I always give it a go as I am so sick of recycled US rubbish. I hope that David Mott is not lost to the industry, risk taking & going out on a limb is important to push boundaries
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i turned it off after 2 minutes when Sarah called Kelly ‘ gurl’…..Sarah trying to keep it real just didnt work
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Really enjoyed this article… I’m always keeping a track of how ratings are going and which program formats are a hit, and this article has summed it up quite well
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TV programmer is a dying job. Amongst my age group (26) hardly anyone watches free to air TV. We all love TV programmes, FTA (free to air), not so much.
Eventually everyone else will catch on and watch TV the way tech forward people are. I watch shows on download from here and all over the world, when I want, with no ads. Have been doing so for nearly 7 years now.
Happy to pay for them when that option is available to support further production. Many of my friends have Apple TV or their computers wired into the TV so they can watch downloaded shows on a good screen.
I downloaded the first ep of Underbelly and enjoyed it so much I wanted to watch the next one as soon as possible so switched on the FTA. Ugh, I lasted 20 minutes. It started late after some shit like Big Brother was on, it was hard to follow with ads that came on screaming at you. I gave up and downloaded it the next day.
Eventually we will all be our own television programmers. You get home from work, cue up the news from when it most recently aired, line up shows and there you go.
and the important jobs will be to those who commission shows and who market them so we know about them to choose them for ourselves. The notion of sitting down for an evening in front of the FTA TV and being fed drivel programmed by some guy in Sydney is beyond me now. I think there is actually a saying for dying jobs by I can’t think of it, if anyone can help.
I’m not sure even networks have a future. Production houses for shows, news etc yes. But what is the point of a network that regurgitates American shows on delay when I can watch right after they air on download, that produces a few crappy local shows to fulfill the local quota content, the occasional good one I can download anyway and then some dodgy morning shows, kids shows and ads? The networks will be dead with the next decade or so if they don’t overhaul how they do things.
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So true, well said! I love TV but hardly ever sit down to watch FTA for the same sorts of reasons you mentioned: Aussie TV is usually behind the airing of shows in the US (eg Sons of Anarchy on One HD is a full season behind), also I’m tired of reality TV and I like to watch shows in my own time and without all the ads. DIY TV progamming is much more convenient.
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I completely agree! My husband and I are all about downloading shows and watching them on our computers or via Apple TV, when and where we want to. I don’t know how anyone can sit and watch a FTA show with all those ads. I also like to wait until a few shows have been released or even a whole series has aired so I can watch them all in quick succession rather than waiting a whole week for the next installment.
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I have an Apple Tv but never download telly and watch it because I don’t know how! I thought I had to use the apple store and buy shows? And we don’t have access to Netflix in Australia, so as a result we don’t use our Apple TV at all! Any tips?
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Don’t even need an apple TV! A lot of new Telly’s have USB ports. Too easy.
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With such fantastic shows on Foxtel as Newsroom, The Boss, Damages, Game of Thrones and Borgia’s to name a few, why would any body watch anything on commercial tv?
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Maybe because they don’t have Foxtel?
Ask a silly question…
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Maybe because we can’t justify the cost of foxtel.
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At $60 a month, I would hardly say that is expensive, less than the cost of a cup of coffee a day or the price of a newspaper.
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I didn’t say it was expensive. I said I can’t justify the cost for my family. It may be only $60 a month but that is $60 I could spend on other things. Every family is different and has different priorities in their budget.
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I don’t have foxtel because I’m stingy…that’s about it really.
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Because we can download that stuff for free, or buy it on DVD, MONTHS before it arrives on Foxtel, without ads.
$60/month is not worth it for the few hours of genuinely new content they offer each month.
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Where do you download it from?
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I actually don’t approve of illegal downloads, so generally only itunes or order the DVD from Amazon. However there are plenty of illegal sites that offer the same content for free and others don’t feel the same way I do!
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Yep, I’ve always said I watch enough TV already without paying for it and feeling like I have to watch my money’s worth.
These days, with FTA programming being so poor though I am all about the download. Why pay $60 for Foxtel to watch last season’s shows when I can pay $25 per month for my Internet and download every show I like just hours after it airs in the US?
And WITHOUT ads! (when did PAY TV start playing ads?! Rip-off!)
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Why have Foxtel when you can pick and choose to download those shows for far less than $60 a month. Foxtel is only good for sport. And Foxtel also pads around the few good shows with rubbish. Why pay for that?
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I’ve never had foxtel, and doubt I’d ever bother. Whenever I’ve watched it at someone’s house or the gym, it’s still full of ads. And reruns of stuff that’s been rerun on FTA tv anyway. I do like the history channel, but I was watching it at the hospital the other day, and that was shows I’d seen on ABC anyway!
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Channel 10 made a big mistake when they axed The Circle. We tend to get the dvd or download tv shows at our house so we can watch them when it suits our schedule. Most nights when I turn on the telly it’s full of bloody talent competitions! X Factor, Australia’s Got Talent, The Voice, Everybody Dance Now, Australian Idol – I’M OVER IT!!! ENOUGH WITH THE TALENT CONTESTS!
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Let’s help the TV bosses out. As others have already indicated, and as I shall now recap, when it comes to dance/vocal/talent shows they will do well to repeat this mantra:
“A little less conversation a little more action”.
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Watching the life of a programmer up close when I was at Channel 9 briefly…..it’s a job I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy.
Imagine a performance review every morning, watched by the entire country with everyone wishing you to fail so they can feel smug.
And EVERYONE has an opinion (including me) about what ‘should’ be on TV. And what shouldn’t. And what the presenters should wear. And why do they do their hair like that…and why wasn’t the West Wing on earlier…and…and….and…
I liked David Mott. He is a good guy. Tough times and having worked on a show that was axed, I know how awful it is.
That’s why I’m never gleeful when a show gets the bullet, even if I didn’t like it. There are actual people and families and lives and incomes that depend on the production of Australian shows.
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Deep down inside there must be a TINY bit of you that’s happy The Shire got axed? Just a little bit?
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I agree, when I heard that the show was axed, I felt sorta bad for them, thinking that someone has spent a lot of time getting the show up and running and then goneski
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Oh Mia thanks, I was thinking exactly the same thing (and about your experience at 9) when I wrote my post above. And I agree, David is a really really nice guy.
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TV programming has always frustrated me no end. I am from the media buying industry (used to be before I had kids) and I would watch shows like The Hills (MASSIVE cult following in the US) be shown on Go at 12:30 on a wednesday. A show which took millions of US teens by stormfor 5 years. Now Episodes, an Emmy Award winning show, is heading to GO, too. What about the other awad winning show The Big C with the talented Laura Linney? On Go. Not advertised. Then there’s An Idiot Abroad, another smash hit….. on Channel 11 or 1? Whatever the difference is. With the download savvy Y generation these stations need to show some more respect. Channel 7 didn’t air Season 2 of Downton Abbey until now, after it finished in the UK and US before Christmas 2011? That is just one example, but people who are fans of these shows actually have information regarding the plot, etc, stream through to them via facebook and twitter….but don’t get a look in for 8 months? No wonder they go and either downoad or watch online. Without ads and more annoyingly HOUSE ADS! The rating system hs been a bollock of cow poo for so long it’s a joke. The media buying industry LIVES AND DIES by these numbers, and they aren’t even a reflection of how many households are tuning in. When I was at a station, I remember cringing from my boss if I had seen bad numbers from the night before, I laugh about it now, but it really is peples livelyhoods. Like the poor programmer from channel 10, found out……and don’t even get me started on teh axing of the circle. Sorry, rant over
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The Downton Abbey example is a good one. Series one, we were bombarded with ads every 4 minutes. By the time series 2 aired here, I’d bought it from Amazon and lent it to many friends as well. The “Christmas special” for 2011 was tagged on to the end of series two here. It would have been lovely to see it here at Christmas with the rest of the world, including New Zealand who get everything within a couple of days of it airing in the US or UK. I watched it on YouTube
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It’s very frustrating because the programmers treat their viewing audiences as stupid.
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I bought Downton Abbey Series 2 in this country (retail, legal) several months before Channel 7 screened it. On sale, like $30 or something. Why would they wait so long before screening it? Crazy stuff.
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Totally agree. I caught the show Episodes a couple of times and it was great! Then it wasn’t on because of the Olympics, and then I just forgot about it… So thanks for reminding me, like everyone else seems to be doing these days when free to air messes with programming too much, I will download/buy the dvd at some point.
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oh yeah….and 30 rock…11pm at night, allways sunny on philidelphia, weeds, arrested development. great shows on so so late
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Slightly off topic but I watched bits of Farmer Wants a wife last night and I think it’s kind of sad. All of these (seemingly) nice gilrls “competing” for some bloke. They all seem to want the same guy (I understand that’s the point) but it seems the process of “winning a guy” you lose out in self respect. Obviously they choose to go on the program but it doesn’t seem to sit right.
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It turned into another version of The Bachelor. I didn’t mind it the first 2 times, it was sweet and the women genuinely were interested and were willing to move and live with the farmer if they both ended up together. But this year it’s a bunch of bitchy young girls.
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The girls may be bitchy but some of those guys are incredibly self-centred and disrespectful.
Who was that guy who was so rude to his mother’s pick? No concept of simple good manners. No wonder he is single, and I expect that he will remain so.
I have switched this show off, never to return.
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That homeless drover guy should just get a dog
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I thought Channel Ten had managed a triple shit hat trick when they decided to air Being Lara Bingle, The Shire and I Will Survive, all in one ratings season. And then I saw Everybody Dance Now…
What were they thinking?? I don’t care about the Olympics or Big Brother being up against them – there are plenty of people who don’t want to watch either of those. Who on Earth thought that Kelly Rowland and Jason Derulo were not only likeable and charismatic (they’re not, IMO) but interesting and exciting enough to float a dance show where their opinions matter more than seeing people dancing?? Why is importing B grade “stars” from overseas seen as a better formula than utilising and showcasing our own successful talent??
I watched 5 minutes of it and that was enough. Forever.
As for I Will Survive. I doubt it will. I watched Rachel Taylor on it the other night and no longer like her as much because of it.
Can you spell C O N T R I V E D? Oh dear…
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I actually quite enjoyed I Will Survive! To me, it’s far more interesting than shows like the X-Factor or Australia’s Got Talent. And I didn’t mind Rachel Taylor either, despite the inch of makeup she had on. I really like that they’re utilising Aussie talent for the rotating spot on the judging panel. I was pleasantly surprised by Jason Donovan as well.
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I agree with you about the judging (obviously, after saying that’s what I DIDN’T like about Everybody Dance Now) but what I saw of Rachel the other night, and the previews I’ve seen of Toni Collette (who I LOVE) and Magda Szubanski just seems like they are being over-enthusiastic with their gushing. Or maybe they really do love it that much – just seemed synthetic and overzealous…
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I think it is a bit harsh putting I will survive and the other two awful shows together. I really enjoyed it and I like Rachel Taylor more now.
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Hi F
I probably should have worded it better – I thought that they would be the hat trick before I saw it.
Although I didn’t like what I saw the other night (Rachel being overzealous and the contestants all complaining about being sick {in the ad breaks I flicked over for}) I didn’t decide that the show was unwatchable like I did Dance.
So, the hat trick was actually Bingle, Shire, Dance – if I was betting I would have missed the trifecta by a nose
I will try again – I have my reservations… but reading how much you and others liked it I think it’s worth a shot
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I have never been called about what programmes I watch. One of the comments below said 3,000 households are used, but does that really represent the whole country?? I don’t watch a lot of the reality type shows but I think that pulling shows less than a week after they start is a bit ridiculous.
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There is a lot of debate about the TV panel being too small, however they claim to be representative of the ratios of Australia’s population. It is also one of the biggest TV panel selections in the world
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Hi Tish!
This is from the Nielsen website:
What we do
As our mission states, our task is to establish a common currency used by TV Stations, Media Planners and Advertisers for their advertising transactions.
What does this mean?
Nielsen TV Audience Measurement has been established to determine the viewing behaviour of the Australian metropolitan TV audience and thereby establish a ‘rating’ for each minute of broadcast time. This ‘rating’ becomes the currency that facilitates the purchase and sale of TV broadcast time.
How is this done?
In general terms, we survey a group of households in every capital city of Australia about their television viewing habits.
We do this by connecting a ‘Peoplemeter’ to their TV. A Peoplemeter is a little black box that records the electronic transmission signal being received by the TV. It then stores this information ready for automatic retrieval by telephone early the following morning.
Once the information is retrieved, it is collated and then distributed to TV Networks and other users on a daily basis.
That’s from here: http://www.agbnielsen.net/whereweare/dynPage.asp?lang=english&id=60&country=Australia
-Megan
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